Making a thread to ensure this is seen by GM's.

[lordalden]

Do forgive the multiple instances of this, GM staff, but I am just reporting a harassment issue. Note that post warning(which came after I was called a "PEDO", an untrue statement), that the filter was bypassed by use of another language(Japanese), and was therein harassment as well.

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Thank you, OutSpark Staff.

[Zenkarus]

reporting isnt bad it gets the people who start things off the game so we can play in peace

[Serric]

If you asked them to stop and they refused, yes - it is harassment and reportable. However, knowing that 98% of this game is played by pre to early teens with maturity levels to match, I'd have sent this to a GM in private message or reported in-game and left it at that in order to avoid future issues.

Good luck to you.

[Marron]

.. o_O Just as an interesting note, their Japanese is -atrocious-. As a student of the language, I can tell they haven't even had the smallest of lessons on how to use the language. They said to you, in direct translation: Alden is damn.

.. xD Gotta love those idiots.

c: Anyway, I hope you have this problem resolved. Idiots like that shouldn't even be online.

[lordalden]

If you asked them to stop and they refused, yes - it is harassment and reportable. However, knowing that 98% of this game is played by pre to early teens with maturity levels to match, I'd have sent this to a GM in private message or reported in-game and left it at that in order to avoid future issues.

Good luck to you.

I did, but due to the influx of messages sent to GM's on a daily basis, making a secondary notation of it won't hurt.

[lordalden]

.. o_O Just as an interesting note, their Japanese is -atrocious-. As a student of the language, I can tell they haven't even had the smallest of lessons on how to use the language. They said to you, in direct translation: Alden is damn.

.. xD Gotta love those idiots.

c: Anyway, I hope you have this problem resolved. Idiots like that shouldn't even be online.

That may be so, but you forget that there are separate dialects of almost every asian language, and in another dialect, Kuso stands for 'excrement', but in other terms. So either way it was an attempt to insult me further, and on a secondary note, an avoidance of the filter.

[lordofporn]

.. o_O Just as an interesting note, their Japanese is -atrocious-. As a student of the language, I can tell they haven't even had the smallest of lessons on how to use the language. They said to you, in direct translation: Alden is damn.

.. xD Gotta love those idiots.

c: Anyway, I hope you have this problem resolved. Idiots like that shouldn't even be online.

Correction, it means alden is poopoo ( to put it nicely. no offence, just translating). wakarimasu?

[Ryokosha]

If you wanna Ensure that GMs read it, instead of making a thread you should just send a PM to a GM. It's much more likely that they read their PMs than a certain server subforum.

[Ordinary01]

You whine, ALOT.

Get off your high horse, please. 'cus everywhere I look it's "whine whine whine" or "argue argue argue" over some situation.

[Jhanniss]

.. o_O Just as an interesting note, their Japanese is -atrocious-. As a student of the language, I can tell they haven't even had the smallest of lessons on how to use the language. They said to you, in direct translation: Alden is damn.

.. xD Gotta love those idiots.

c: Anyway, I hope you have this problem resolved. Idiots like that shouldn't even be online.


Yah, one has to love the "I watch Naruto in Japanese so I'm now fluent!" generation of wanna-bes..


You whine, ALOT.

Get off your high horse, please. 'cus everywhere I look it's "whine whine whine" or "argue argue argue" over some situation.


I believe he has the right to speak in regards to this, they were harassing him (in public) and refused to stop. Wether you are 8 years old or 80 years old, rules are rules and that's why the TOS is implimented.

It's not a matter of whine whine whine or argue argue argue but harassment. There is a difference and a fine line between them, I hope you will come to see the differences in the future.

[TheRealVanquish]

You are welcome to discuss the issue at hand, but please do so without the derogatory comments. Thank you

[Lowclock]

You whine, ALOT.

Get off your high horse, please. 'cus everywhere I look it's "whine whine whine" or "argue argue argue" over some situation.

True. I have never seen anyone cry more about anything in any game ever. I saw him threatening to report people for killing him during a guild war. Either

A) Join an exhibition guild.
B) Log off.
C) Suck it up and die a couple times.

[kevin141985]

your are the biggest snickers in this game alden. Im tired of seeing all these threads made by you. If you dont like how the game goes, play something else STOP CRYING FOR GOD DAM SAKE

[lordalden]

True. I have never seen anyone cry more about anything in any game ever. I saw him threatening to report people for killing him during a guild war. Either

A) Join an exhibition guild.
B) Log off.
C) Suck it up and die a couple times.

I am currently in an exhibition guild, and if the Guild War happens to interrupt, or it is imposed by the other guild to interrupt me, or my training, then that is considered guild harassment. Steam has made most of this clear, and I consulted with him more deeply on that particular matter, and due to my guild declaring war on the opposing guild in that situation, I was liable for all losses incurred, and was in no way harassed.

I have no problem apologizing about that, but the reason I inform people of a possibly impending report(as I never report on the first instance unless it is a severe circumstance) is to give them a moment to realize they CAN be punished accordingly, and so that they learn, and possibly not be reported/banned. I want them to keep playing Fiesta, but if they will continue to be a disturbance, then it may infect others' enjoyment of gameplay as well.

While I appreciate everyone's opinions of me on this thread, be advised that it is likely that you are probably holding a double standard, and faced with some of what I get day to day, you would be feeling more than personally obligated to get them to leave you alone. I regard each player platonically, other than those few I am close friends with, and my reports, nor my words are ever meant maliciously. I apologize anytime that a player expresses being offended, and if they believe I am harassing them, I stop immeadiately what I was doing previously.

And, as to another matter regarding this thread. Read the title please. "Ensure", meaning I've taking other actions, but having this posted as a back up.

[Saruin]

your are the biggest snickers in this game alden. Im tired of seeing all these threads made by you. If you dont like how the game goes, play something else STOP CRYING FOR GOD DAM SAKE

If you don't like the threads, DON'T READ THEM.

[lordalden]

your are the biggest snickers in this game alden. Im tired of seeing all these threads made by you. If you dont like how the game goes, play something else STOP CRYING FOR GOD DAM SAKE

While I appreciate your commentary, CM_Vanquish already stated to cease the use of derrogatory statements. I play this game, and try to help find cases of User Abuse, and ToS Violation, to help make Fiesta a better place for all players. I am sure, that, if under some circumstance, for instance, you getting scammed out of money, you'd feel the need to express that lament, or want action taken. I try to prevent the possibility of that scenario in the first place.

What I typically gather from day to day is at least a grouping of screenshots indicating up to, but not limited to 4 players a day abusing other players, or the ToS. I only report repeat offenders, but if they all went free, then you'd feel injustice in place. You should rather be thankful that in this game, not only do some players(and by all means, it's not just me, a plethora of players do this, and this goes to them, I require no thanks), but also the GM's, care about the development of the game, and the community surrounding the game.

[Shahared]

Ok, while I agree with much that has been said as far as making Fiesta a better place for all of us, there comes a point at which you are just stirring the pot. I can tell by one look that the players you encountered are frequenters of 4chan, specifically one /b/oard in particular (they know which one I mean, and remember, rules 1 and 2 only apply in raids so don't even start with me). In case you don't know already, fighting with /b/tards is like competing in the special olympics, even when you win you lose.

It's just the way they are...this is the internet, they are by most standards anonymous the entire time they are on the web and as such feel pretty much invincible. Most simply just don't care, and by acting like the enforcer and 'threatening' them you are only making them 'want' to harass you. In fact the idea that you are persecuted on a daily basis makes me believe that you may do allot of pot stirring and this is the likely reason...I manage to play Fiesta everyday and nobody messes with me for the most part, and when they do and I ignore them they grow bored fairly quickly and I can go about my day in peace.

I am not trying to make you out to be the problem at all though, I don't want you to think I'm ganging up on the victim here. I just think that you will have a more enjoyable time playing if you steer clear of the obvious trouble. A common saying over on /b/ is 'invading /b/ is like pissing in an ocean of ****'. Thats the mentality your up against, and trust me, on the internet there really is no way of winning against the anonymous. Many have tried and failed...

That is not to say you should not report them...just try not to instigate them, because they will just spend all their spare time (of which they have much, since they have no lives at all) from that point on trying to get back at you or screw with you more. Let the mods deal with it, PM them or try to whisper them in game, maybe send them the screens you took and that way you don't have to deal with the constant frustration that is teenage morons on the internet.

[lordalden]

Ok, while I agree with much that has been said as far as making Fiesta a better place for all of us, there comes a point at which you are just stirring the pot. I can tell by one look that the players you encountered are frequenters of 4chan, specifically one /b/oard in particular (they know which one I mean, and remember, rules 1 and 2 only apply in raids so don't even start with me). In case you don't know already, fighting with /b/tards is like competing in the special olympics, even when you win you lose.

It's just the way they are...this is the internet, they are by most standards anonymous the entire time they are on the web and as such feel pretty much invincible. Most simply just don't care, and by acting like the enforcer and 'threatening' them you are only making them 'want' to harass you. In fact the idea that you are persecuted on a daily basis makes me believe that you may do allot of pot stirring and this is the likely reason...I manage to play Fiesta everyday and nobody messes with me for the most part, and when they do and I ignore them they grow bored fairly quickly and I can go about my day in peace.

I am not trying to make you out to be the problem at all though, I don't want you to think I'm ganging up on the victim here. I just think that you will have a more enjoyable time playing if you steer clear of the obvious trouble. A common saying over on /b/ is 'invading /b/ is like pissing in an ocean of ****'. Thats the mentality your up against, and trust me, on the internet there really is no way of winning against the anonymous. Many have tried and failed...

That is not to say you should not report them...just try not to instigate them, because they will just spend all their spare time (of which they have much, since they have no lives at all) from that point on trying to get back at you or screw with you more. Let the mods deal with it, PM them or try to whisper them in game, maybe send them the screens you took and that way you don't have to deal with the constant frustration that is teenage morons on the internet.

Now while I admit that yes, some flames are started by me, or harassment issues. I've assessed that truth numerous times, but never have I once crossed the line, or if I have, I stopped talking immeadiately to said individual to show my respect for the rules system. I do not threaten, secondly. I believe threats are pointless. As I said, I give warnings. A threat is only as offensive as the malice behind it, and I do not have that great a care towards the people that choose to harass me in any way, shape, or form. My conversations daily on PhoenixRising's Vent Server is proof of that, even throughout the course of said activity, I remain jubilant, and steadfast.

While I agree that yes, I may be, in the end, doing nothing to help things along, due to the sheer size of the situation, my theory on that is "When good people do nothing, evil wins". I would rather work myself to the bone for no progress and know I did what I feel to be right, than stand by and do nothing, and feel I contradicted my morals. The GM's, or the like can't be everywhere, that's why it's the responsibility of a player to report such activity, and encourage learning among the people of what to do, and what not to do.

[Ordinary01]

While I appreciate your commentary, CM_Vanquish already stated to cease the use of derrogatory statements. I play this game, and try to help find cases of User Abuse, and ToS Violation, to help make Fiesta a better place for all players. I am sure, that, if under some circumstance, for instance, you getting scammed out of money, you'd feel the need to express that lament, or want action taken. I try to prevent the possibility of that scenario in the first place.

What I typically gather from day to day is at least a grouping of screenshots indicating up to, but not limited to 4 players a day abusing other players, or the ToS. I only report repeat offenders, but if they all went free, then you'd feel injustice in place. You should rather be thankful that in this game, not only do some players(and by all means, it's not just me, a plethora of players do this, and this goes to them, I require no thanks), but also the GM's, care about the development of the game, and the community surrounding the game.

Your past history gaming of MMORPGs must suck if that's still your mentality on playing games. People are here to have fun, not to take the role of a wanna-be GM. There's a limit on reporting, you seem to report EVERYTHING! You must come from games where PvP isn't a big thing, or you just avoid it all, because the main thing you (and many others I might add) seem to throw a hissy fit about is being warred on by other guilds. Many people, including, come from free PK games, meaning you can: PK anyone, anywhere, and anytime. But I do realize Fiesta is NOT free-pk, so these people join a guild, the Love_China's in this instance, and kill others so it can give a feel of 'free-pk'. Obviously if it's random warring they enjoy the PvP part of Fiesta, whether or not the other person likes it or not, they probably just picked a random guild they saw on screen with a decent amount of members. And about your double standard thing, if a guild warred me and "harassed" me so-to-speak, I would most likely just laugh at the situation. People who ***** about being trained and KS need to learn people who do so NOT care at all, if they did they wouldn't train. Anyone who can get annoyed at a game based on another player's action against them needs to take a step outside for a while and give Fiesta a little break. What I'm saying is no matter how many you report, in the end you're wasting your time because removing all these players would deplete half of the server population. Lots of random thoughts everyone, but you catch my drift.

1) stop acting like a GM warning everyone and reporting.
2) play like a normal person and enjoy the game.
3) ?????
4) profit.

I will go to bed now.

[lordalden]

Your past history gaming of MMORPGs must suck if that's still your mentality on playing games. People are here to have fun, not to take the role of a wanna-be GM. There's a limit on reporting, you seem to report EVERYTHING! You must come from games where PvP isn't a big thing, or you just avoid it all, because the main thing you (and many others I might add) seem to throw a hissy fit about is being warred on by other guilds. Many people, including, come from free PK games, meaning you can: PK anyone, anywhere, and anytime. But I do realize Fiesta is NOT free-pk, so these people join a guild, the Love_China's in this instance, and kill others so it can give a feel of 'free-pk'. Obviously if it's random warring they enjoy the PvP part of Fiesta, whether or not the other person likes it or not, they probably just picked a random guild they saw on screen with a decent amount of members. And about your double standard thing, if a guild warred me and "harassed" me so-to-speak, I would most likely just laugh at the situation. People who ***** about being trained and KS need to learn people who do so NOT care at all, if they did they wouldn't train. Anyone who can get annoyed at a game based on another player's action against them needs to take a step outside for a while and give Fiesta a little break. What I'm saying is no matter how many you report, in the end you're wasting your time because removing all these players would deplete half of the server population. Lots of random thoughts everyone, but you catch my drift.

1) stop acting like a GM warning everyone and reporting.
2) play like a normal person and enjoy the game.
3) ?????
4) profit.

I've seen what keeping almost every player, abuser or not does to a game. Play MapleStory. I bet in the first week you've got 5 kids you're ticked at. OutSpark has done an admirable job in trying to police this game against many of the horrors of what is now considered disruptive MMO atmospheres, and I find I am happy to help in regards to that policing. I'm no GM, and nor have I ever postured myself to be one. Many people have said I should be one, but I know I lack qualification, so I do not posture myself as such, and never have.

I found out, concerning the DeathAngels bit, that I was wrong. I don't know why people keep kicking a dead horse on that, bringing it up again at this point means you must want me to humble myself or satisfy what I believe to be your own egotistical desire to be correct. I do play like a normal person, and as I have stated numerous times, I am entirely platonic in regards to those abusers, they do not bring me down, and my static party has named me the "Dirt Napper" because I'm one of few players that does not mind to die during his normal process of levelling, and even fewer that is willing to laugh about it, and believe me, until you've talked to me on Vent, then the judgements made so far, are quite wrong.

"Be quick to judge, and be quick to be wrong. Take the time to learn, and accept being right." <- A proverb I was once told. It's a handy one to remember.

[Atmor]

First of all: Hiya Alden!

Secondly: Would you guys just leave him alone already? You all keep trying to make the same point to him. I believe you gets your message move on. If something must be posted all you have to do is say I agree with so and so, not leave an enourmous post repeating the same thing over and over. Alden has every right to want a clean and fair game, and if he and the GMs can work together to do it, then so be it. Alot of the people that complain about him have or are about to be reported by him for breaking the rules. I have seen him doing his thing many a time, and he is nothing if not fair, kind, and courteous (sp?). All I ask is you live and let live, and try to have fun while following the rules.

I appologize now if you interpret this as a hostile post, it is not meant to be, but I have been told I sound very hostile when I don't mean to.

[lordalden]

First of all: Hiya Alden!

Secondly: Would you guys just leave him alone already? You all keep trying to make the same point to him. I believe you gets your message move on. If something must be posted all you have to do is say I agree with so and so, not leave an enourmous post repeating the same thing over and over. Alden has every right to want a clean and fair game, and if he and the GMs can work together to do it, then so be it. Alot of the people that complain about him have or are about to be reported by him for breaking the rules. I have seen him doing his thing many a time, and he is nothing if not fair, kind, and courteous (sp?). All I ask is you live and let live, and try to have fun while following the rules.

I appologize now if you interpret this as a hostile post, it is not meant to be, but I have been told I sound very hostile when I don't mean to.

Despite defending my actions, which I am thankful for one way or another, I do not feel the tone of your post was hostile or malicious in any way. Continue having a great time in Fiesta. I hope to see you around in Bijou sometime.

[Marron]

.. < w < This is pretty off topic, but gramps made me giggle with that last post. You sound like an NPC or something~

[lordalden]

.. < w < This is pretty off topic, but gramps made me giggle with that last post. You sound like an NPC or something~

Rofl. I've been whispered that a few times, actually. It makes me laugh pretty good hearing that one.

[Deadly-Bagel]

Geez, guys, get off his back. Basically, you're all saying that idiots will be idiots, live with it. Then you go and say that wingers can't winge.

Make up your mind here, people. Do you want people to be themselves or not? No, you can't be selective about it, that's just thinking about yourself. These posts probably annoy you a lot less than abusers annoy him.

I've played a few MMORPGs, and the only time I've played long enough to get this sort of stuff often was Dofus. And I tell you, you get a heck of a lot of it. Unfortunately, unlike Dofus, you cannot quickly aggress them and send them back home with a chunk of their energy gone, so the only way to deal with it is to report it.

True, GMs have a lot on their hands. If they don't, then they should, because the servers are currently down and I'm getting bored. But seriously, this is a law here.

If GMs don't enforce these laws, Fiesta will become a haven for spammers, abusers, mobbers, the muddy end of society. And it's very difficult to get mud off clean sheets. The best way to manage it is to prevent it from getting there in the first place.

Metaphors aside, if this is allowed, everyone will do it and then nobody will be able to stop it. Even when it is finally slowed to a manageable rate, the game will have a terrible reputation and nobody with common sense will join, and those without will get banned.

Don't worry, I'm sure that if the GMs were too flooded, then they would devise simpler means of reporting abuse. Such as 'click this button and select which type of abuse they are committing'. Spammers and abusers could get their name and last 50 posts sent to a GM, who can briefly scroll through them before declaring it offensive or not and punishing as appropriate. Hackers, well, hiding all nearby characters except them then taking a screenshot of the game screen to be sent to tech support may be practical. Again, just a list on a screen to briefly scroll through would be all that is required.

The other, lazier alternative is to hire more GMs.

[Shahared]

Now while I admit that yes, some flames are started by me, or harassment issues. I've assessed that truth numerous times, but never have I once crossed the line, or if I have, I stopped talking immeadiately to said individual to show my respect for the rules system. I do not threaten, secondly. I believe threats are pointless. As I said, I give warnings. A threat is only as offensive as the malice behind it, and I do not have that great a care towards the people that choose to harass me in any way, shape, or form. My conversations daily on PhoenixRising's Vent Server is proof of that, even throughout the course of said activity, I remain jubilant, and steadfast.

While I agree that yes, I may be, in the end, doing nothing to help things along, due to the sheer size of the situation, my theory on that is "When good people do nothing, evil wins". I would rather work myself to the bone for no progress and know I did what I feel to be right, than stand by and do nothing, and feel I contradicted my morals. The GM's, or the like can't be everywhere, that's why it's the responsibility of a player to report such activity, and encourage learning among the people of what to do, and what not to do.
I do not question your dedication to your point of view:D And I really think you should stick up for yourself, and keep reporting. All I really meant is that eventually the mods are the ones that have to do the dirty work, so the less you involve yourself..(telling people that you will report them, calling them out when they do something wrong etc.) the more you will enjoy playing the game because they will only torment you more when they know it ticks you off. Thats what they do, they find a weakness and exploit it. In fact its like the number one rule of screwing up everyones fun time on the internet, find a weakness and exploit it. These people are the kinds that hack a site just for fun, invade a forum just for lulz, and destroy the lives of random innocent people online by exposing their online activities to people they know in real life just because they can. It really is what passes for fun these days on the net. Think about how kids acted to the substitute teacher when you were in school...thats how they are viewing you right now....

*quick edit, for all those other then Alden* I am not trying to pontificate here, nor am I hating on Alden! I'm on his side, and completely agree that these people should be reported and that rules should be enforced. I 'do not want' this board to turn into the ocean of **** that is /b/, and I definitely don't want /b/tards or any other mentally deficient group of people lurking all over this game ruining it for everyone else. Keep that garbage on your own site folks, there is a reason 4chan only gives you one board:p But anyways, I just want Alden to enjoy himself more on this game like I do, because it seems that at the moment he is doing anything but enjoying the harassment that he is experiencing. It's like when something bad happens in the real world, better to call the cops and let them deal with it then to get involved and end up shot unless you 'know' that you can actually do anything to help. Some things are just better left to the professionals:D

[Atmor]

I do not question your dedication to your point of view:D And I really think you should stick up for yourself, and keep reporting. All I really meant is that eventually the mods are the ones that have to do the dirty work, so the less you involve yourself..(telling people that you will report them, calling them out when they do something wrong etc.) the more you will enjoy playing the game because they will only torment you more when they know it ticks you off. Thats what they do, they find a weakness and exploit it. In fact its like the number one rule of screwing up everyones fun time on the internet, find a weakness and exploit it. These people are the kinds that hack a site just for fun, invade a forum just for lulz, and destroy the lives of random innocent people online by exposing their online activities to people they know in real life just because they can. It really is what passes for fun these days on the net. Think about how kids acted to the substitute teacher when you were in school...thats how they are viewing you right now....

*quick edit, for all those other then Alden* I am not trying to pontificate here, nor am I hating on Alden! I'm on his side, and completely agree that these people should be reported and that rules should be enforced. I 'do not want' this board to turn into the ocean of **** that is /b/, and I definitely don't want /b/tards or any other mentally deficient group of people lurking all over this game ruining it for everyone else. Keep that garbage on your own site folks, there is a reason 4chan only gives you one board:p But anyways, I just want Alden to enjoy himself more on this game like I do, because it seems that at the moment he is doing anything but enjoying the harassment that he is experiencing. It's like when something bad happens in the real world, better to call the cops and let them deal with it then to get involved and end up shot unless you 'know' that you can actually do anything to help. Some things are just better left to the professionals:D

Truly the way Alden does things is actually the fairest way to do it, because some people are blissfully unaware of some rules, so he gives them a fair warning before reporting them. This way, those that accidently break the rules and are not told they are doing so, have the chance to stop before they are reported and action is possibly taken against them.

[Shahared]

Truly the way Alden does things is actually the fairest way to do it, because some people are blissfully unaware of some rules, so he gives them a fair warning before reporting them. This way, those that accidently break the rules and are not told they are doing so, have the chance to stop before they are reported and action is possibly taken against them.
I agree, although some behavior everyone knows is against the rules for just about any game on the face of the internet. The kinds of stuff in the screenshots kind of speak for themselves...they know exactly what they are doing, and I know just by their names and the expressions they were using that they do it often....and need a swift hit on the head with a ban hammer in my opinion:p

[lordalden]

I agree, although some behavior everyone knows is against the rules for just about any game on the face of the internet. The kinds of stuff in the screenshots kind of speak for themselves...they know exactly what they are doing, and I know just by their names and the expressions they were using that they do it often....and need a swift hit on the head with a ban hammer in my opinion:p

That may be the case, and I agree with you, but that does not mean their rights should be trampled on because of common sense. They have a right to be fully aware, even if it is a publicly made aware idea, of their actions being akin to that which the GM's dictate as wrong, or illegal.

[Shahared]

That may be the case, and I agree with you, but that does not mean their rights should be trampled on because of common sense. They have a right to be fully aware, even if it is a publicly made aware idea, of their actions being akin to that which the GM's dictate as wrong, or illegal.
Oh trust me, anyone with the name crackychan (named after a girl who went on 4chan and posted pictures of herself nude, and looked like a crack addict) who is posting NEEDS MORE DESU (I'm not even getting into that one, I don't want to incur the wrath of a Desu invasion on this board:p) knows 'exactly' what they are doing, and is fully aware of how the mods feel about it. I agree with giving some people the right to know, but also realize that they not only agreed to a license when they installed the game, but also to the terms of service...and we all know they clearly state what is ok and what is not. Everyone has the opportunity to figure it out for themselves right there and then, and if they were at all concerned about breaking the rules they would find out what the rules were in the first place. And of course some people just don't learn unless they are punished. And come on, if the worst thing to ever happen in some kids life is that they got banned from an online video game then I'd say they have a pretty good life:p

*quick edit* Just wanted to mention that crackychan did nothing wrong that I can tell in the screen caps. I just point out that most of his peers have a similar knowledge of right and wrong, and therefore understand that they are committing actions which can result in punishment. Face it, when you were a kid and someone told you "Hey! Don't do that" what did you do.....come on we all know you went and 'did' it just because someone told you not to:p

[lordalden]

Oh trust me, anyone with the name crackychan (named after a girl who went on 4chan and posted pictures of herself nude, and looked like a crack addict) who is posting NEEDS MORE DESU (I'm not even getting into that one, I don't want to incur the wrath of a Desu invasion on this board:p) knows 'exactly' what they are doing, and is fully aware of how the mods feel about it. I agree with giving some people the right to know, but also realize that they not only agreed to a license when they installed the game, but also to the terms of service...and we all know they clearly state what is ok and what is not. Everyone has the opportunity to figure it out for themselves right there and then, and if they were at all concerned about breaking the rules they would find out what the rules were in the first place. And of course some people just don't learn unless they are punished. And come on, if the worst thing to ever happen in some kids life is that they got banned from an online video game then I'd say they have a pretty good life:p

*quick edit* Just wanted to mention that crackychan did nothing wrong that I can tell in the screen caps. I just point out that most of his peers have a similar knowledge of right and wrong, and therefore understand that they are committing actions which can result in punishment. Face it, when you were a kid and someone told you "Hey! Don't do that" what did you do.....come on we all know you went and 'did' it just because someone told you not to:p

Not all the time actually. I was rather well behaved as a child. And regardless of your beliefs on the matter, I feel everyone deserves a chance at personal redemption, and when they fail to take it, then the blame truly, and ultimately does rest on their shoulders, regardless of if they knew better to begin with or not. As for 4chan's activity, I do not care that greatly about it, personally.

[Kaimos]

look aldenget over urself that happens all the time fi u wnt harrasment i'll show u what that is dude

[lordalden]

look aldenget over urself that happens all the time fi u wnt harrasment i'll show u what that is dude

I appreciate your candor, but do so at your own risk.

[Shahared]

I appreciate your candor, but do so at your own risk.
Exactly what I'm talking about man....there are much better ways to handle it then the way you do.....thats a veiled threat. I know it and you know it. You could have just ignored it and this guy would have gotten bored cuz he got no response and left you alone....now that you have baited him he will be allot more likely to come back and do just what he said he would, risk or not.

[lordalden]

Exactly what I'm talking about man....there are much better ways to handle it then the way you do.....thats a veiled threat. I know it and you know it. You could have just ignored it and this guy would have gotten bored cuz he got no response and left you alone....now that you have baited him he will be allot more likely to come back and do just what he said he would, risk or not.

Actually, he's said nothing, be it in PM's(whose extent of harassment I typically ignore), or in other threads.

[Shahared]

Wow, thick as a brick in there huh? I give up, you really just don't understand social engineering at all...it's actually kinda sad man.

[lordalden]

Wow, thick as a brick in there huh? I give up, you really just don't understand social engineering at all...it's actually kinda sad man.

If you think so. I understand it a great deal more than you give me credit for. "When weak, appear strong, when strong, appear weak." I'm assuming a weak stance right now. Underestimate my intellectual abilities at your own discretion.

[Shahared]

Lol, that has nothing to do with social engineering. Besides, that doesn't even make sense. It's not your intellectual capacity, it's your common sense. You could paint a target on your forehead and get less aggravation. Seriously, you come off as self righteous and uppity. If that is the 'appearance' you were going for then great, but it surely has nothing to do with 'weak or strong'. Actually, I apologize for making that sound like a personal attack, it really isn't meant to be. It just amazes me that you don't realize how your actions affect the people around you. 'That' is what social engineering is all about. If your ultimate goal is to play the game peacefully then you would not instigate the rude behavior of others. If your goal is to make the game safe to play, you would 'still' not instigate others..it's what they call in the judicial system 'entrapment'. I have to question your motives then...are either of those things your true goal...Seems like your more interested in 'sounding' right then 'being' right. A simple "Stop doing _____ it is a violation of the rules" would suffice, then report, then leave the players alone. But you have to go at them some more, tell them your reporting them, tell them you can 'translate' what they are saying, and generally instigate their activity, making them more likely to commit another offense toward you. I know I am being very critical of you, but those who hold themselves to a higher degree of righteousness also bear themselves to a higher degree of scrutiny.

In any case I am done debating the subject. I don't think your 'at all' intellectually inferior. I just think your reasoning could use some reflection on your part as to the reasons why you need to have the final word when dealing with these types of people. Even with those who come to your aid and cause are met with indignation...Is all that indignation really even worth it? If you spend all your time with the 'us against them' mentality you will shortly find that the only person left on your side is you, and everyone else is them.

[lordalden]

Lol, that has nothing to do with social engineering. Besides, that doesn't even make sense. It's not your intellectual capacity, it's your common sense. You could paint a target on your forehead and get less aggravation. Seriously, you come off as self righteous and uppity. If that is the 'appearance' you were going for then great, but it surely has nothing to do with 'weak or strong'. Actually, I apologize for making that sound like a personal attack, it really isn't meant to be. It just amazes me that you don't realize how your actions affect the people around you. 'That' is what social engineering is all about. If your ultimate goal is to play the game peacefully then you would not instigate the rude behavior of others. If your goal is to make the game safe to play, you would 'still' not instigate others..it's what they call in the judicial system 'entrapment'. I have to question your motives then...are either of those things your true goal...Seems like your more interested in 'sounding' right then 'being' right. A simple "Stop doing _____ it is a violation of the rules" would suffice, then report, then leave the players alone. But you have to go at them some more, tell them your reporting them, tell them you can 'translate' what they are saying, and generally instigate their activity, making them more likely to commit another offense toward you. I know I am being very critical of you, but those who hold themselves to a higher degree of righteousness also bear themselves to a higher degree of scrutiny.

In any case I am done debating the subject. I don't think your 'at all' intellectually inferior. I just think your reasoning could use some reflection on your part as to the reasons why you need to have the final word when dealing with these types of people. Even with those who come to your aid and cause are met with indignation...Is all that indignation really even worth it? If you spend all your time with the 'us against them' mentality you will shortly find that the only person left on your side is you, and everyone else is them.

The fact that you think social engineering, or the understanding of it is based solely on common sense is an atrociously misplaced idea. A village idiot may have common sense but not understand the relationships of social factors in smaller or wider ranges of interest or activity. I come off as others believe me to be. I know what my intentions are, and if you haven't forgotten something about social engineering, it's that individuals or the cliques, gangs, etc make judgements on the person. The fact that you don't know me and say "You come off as" is only proof of that underinformed judgement.

My actions do not affect anything. Their choices to react do. They make the choice to feel put off, angry, dis-interested, you name it. Nothing I do can force them to feel a certain way, or believe a certain ideal. They allow that feeling, idea, or emotion to take hold in them as per a cognitive choice. That is part of psychology, and sociology(typo maybe), and that is where you actually learn about the relationships based in a social structure, and the founding causes of certain effects based in them, I.e. Social Engineering.

My game is not to play peacefully, but to make it peaceful for OTHERS. I don't care if someone whispers me in game, or private messages me on the forums and tells me I can go straight to hell, quite honestly. That doesn't disrupt other players, and doesn't give impressionable kids in the 10-13 age range an idea that such activity denotes social recognition in a positive manner. I'm glad you seem to uphold the belief that such is a good thing, but I assure you, your peers would deftly disagree.

And no, telling them to stop is not a deterrent. Telling them to stop is only giving them reason to disobey, so that they can satisfy the mostly teen angsty attitude they feel makes them cool, or whatever their motivation is for speaking out, even when they know they're wrong. And here's a question: Why are you pushing your ideals onto me? Do you honestly believe that I should adhere to your morality for me to be a better person? Do I need the validation of walking in your shoes to be accepted by you? Or better yet, does that even matter to me?

And sure, maybe my reasoning could use some deflection. But in the idea of my reasoning, I do not force others to believe what I do. I let them think what they want, and I've stated on this thread that they may feel free to say what they wish to me, and I would support it, so long as they followed the rules. I'm forcing no ideas of mine onto them, I'm telling them they need to follow the rules they agreed to.

And they are not met with indignation. They are met with an initial idea of distrust, because it's not me I believe they should be giving aid to. It's the system. I've not ogle-glomped every last person who came in here, I thanked them, and asserted what they said. They may have supported me, but nor did I ask for it, and nor do I need it. I would rather them support the idea of keeping this game a joyful, and abuse free place where people of the intended age range can play without disruption.

You've spent your time explaining your side of things, I'm tired of hearing it. Why not try to for one second understand my morality on this, rather than trying to choke me with yours repeatedly?

Edit: I see you replying, know if you do, you're contradicting yourself.

[Shahared]

but the reason I inform people of a possibly impending report(as I never report on the first instance unless it is a severe circumstance) is to give them a moment to realize they CAN be punished accordingly, and so that they learn, and possibly not be reported/banned. I want them to keep playing Fiesta, but if they will continue to be a disturbance, then it may infect others' enjoyment of gameplay as well.
If that is the case then why did you say this...
And no, telling them to stop is not a deterrent. Telling them to stop is only giving them reason to disobey, so that they can satisfy the mostly teen angsty attitude they feel makes them cool, or whatever their motivation is for speaking out, even when they know they're wrong. And here's a question: Why are you pushing your ideals onto me? Do you honestly believe that I should adhere to your morality for me to be a better person? Do I need the validation of walking in your shoes to be accepted by you? Or better yet, does that even matter to me?
In answer to your question, I did not push any 'ideals' onto you...I just pointed out a flaw in your logic, which obviously hit your buttons and set you off. Morality is a view of what is good and evil, nothing of which I mentioned either. I simply pointed out that baiting people will result in a negative reaction, cause and effect.
The fact that you think social engineering, or the understanding of it is based solely on common sense is an atrociously misplaced idea. A village idiot may have common sense but not understand the relationships of social factors in smaller or wider ranges of interest or activity. I come off as others believe me to be. I know what my intentions are, and if you haven't forgotten something about social engineering, it's that individuals or the cliques, gangs, etc make judgements on the person. The fact that you don't know me and say "You come off as" is only proof of that underinformed judgement.
I said that your actions lacked common sense, and then went on to say that social engineering is understanding the way people react based on your actions. The way I structured it made it ambiguous but I assure you that is what I said. Based on your own criteria "the relationships of social factors in smaller or wider ranges of interest or activity" you clearly understand that social factors indeed follow interests and activities, thereby making my statement valid.
My actions do not affect anything. Their choices to react do. They make the choice to feel put off, angry, dis-interested, you name it. Nothing I do can force them to feel a certain way, or believe a certain ideal. They allow that feeling, idea, or emotion to take hold in them as per a cognitive choice. That is part of psychology, and sociology(typo maybe), and that is where you actually learn about the relationships based in a social structure, and the founding causes of certain effects based in them, I.e. Social Engineering.
I beg to differ, your actions indeed affect things. It is the basic precept of cause and effect. While you are correct that the individual decides how they feel, you have already stated that based on your own actions you can manipulate how someone feels to a calculated reaction (for example inciting a reaction from someone by using reverse psychology). In a way you are manipulating how someone thinks and therefore manipulating their emotions as well.
My game is not to play peacefully, but to make it peaceful for OTHERS. I don't care if someone whispers me in game, or private messages me on the forums and tells me I can go straight to hell, quite honestly. That doesn't disrupt other players, and doesn't give impressionable kids in the 10-13 age range an idea that such activity denotes social recognition in a positive manner. I'm glad you seem to uphold the belief that such is a good thing, but I assure you, your peers would deftly disagree.
You obviously do care, or you would not have made this thread. Also, I never insinuated that I think degenerate activity on the forums or in game is a good thing...That would be a misrepresentation of my intentions to prove your point...manipulation in other words.
And sure, maybe my reasoning could use some deflection. But in the idea of my reasoning, I do not force others to believe what I do. I let them think what they want, and I've stated on this thread that they may feel free to say what they wish to me, and I would support it, so long as they followed the rules. I'm forcing no ideas of mine onto them, I'm telling them they need to follow the rules they agreed to.
If you wanted to let me think what I wanted, why are you bothering to respond...and if you wanted me to say what I wish, why did you edit your post to tell me not to?
You've spent your time explaining your side of things, I'm tired of hearing it. Why not try to for one second understand my morality on this, rather than trying to choke me with yours repeatedly?

Edit: I see you replying, know if you do, you're contradicting yourself.
I have not wasted any of your time explaining my opinions...you always had the option to stop reading. If you don't want to hear them, well the same option applies. So I am trying to choke you now? And yet as stated in your previous post you do not meet others with indignation. And I am not contradicting myself...I am no longer Discussing this with you...I am now simply taking your statements and tearing them apart to show how faulty your logic really is....No more opinions from me....

[lordalden]

If that is the case then why did you say this...

In answer to your question, I did not push any 'ideals' onto you...I just pointed out a flaw in your logic, which obviously hit your buttons and set you off. Morality is a view of what is good and evil, nothing of which I mentioned either. I simply pointed out that baiting people will result in a negative reaction, cause and effect.

I said that your actions lacked common sense, and then went on to say that social engineering is understanding the way people react based on your actions. The way I structured it made it ambiguous but I assure you that is what I said. Based on your own criteria "the relationships of social factors in smaller or wider ranges of interest or activity" you clearly understand that social factors indeed follow interests and activities, thereby making my statement valid.

I beg to differ, your actions indeed affect things. It is the basic precept of cause and effect. While you are correct that the individual decides how they feel, you have already stated that based on your own actions you can manipulate how someone feels to a calculated reaction (for example inciting a reaction from someone by using reverse psychology). In a way you are manipulating how someone thinks and therefore manipulating their emotions as well.

You obviously do care, or you would not have made this thread. Also, I never insinuated that I think degenerate activity on the forums or in game is a good thing...That would be a misrepresentation of my intentions to prove your point...manipulation in other words.

If you wanted to let me think what I wanted, why are you bothering to respond...and if you wanted me to say what I wish, why did you edit your post to tell me not to?

I have not wasted any of your time explaining my opinions...you always had the option to stop reading. If you don't want to hear them, well the same option applies. So I am trying to choke you now? And yet as stated in your previous post you do not meet others with indignation. And I am not contradicting myself...I am no longer Discussing this with you...I am now simply taking your statements and tearing them apart to show how faulty your logic really is....No more opinions from me....

Lemme get one post real clear here. I said whisper or private messages. Do you read what you reply to, or is it a selective sense of established connection between images and understanding? What's being discussed is the idea of people doing it over public channels. Stay on topic here. But while we're discussing my 'lack of logic', let's go to school a second.

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–adjective 1. open to or having several possible meanings or interpretations; equivocal: an ambiguous answer.

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–noun 1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.

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–noun 1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.

Now, let's use these in consideration to one another. You're 'destroying my Logic, I.e. the science of my inference, with (open or several meanings/interpretations in your retorts)' and using THAT to destroy a branch of my ideals that is based on fact or truths.

Let's analyze the situation a bit deeper. That statement you dredged up. Tell me. Where did it say "I want them to follow my rules or ideals?" It never did. It said I want them to keep playing Fiesta. That you even brought that up with the reply to it that you did, is astounding me even now.

You didn't push any ideals onto me, but you answer with something that has open-ended meanings to destroy the science of my own morality/idealism. Right. So which answer should I pick? "You throwing your ideals at me like a monkey throws excrement", "My thought process is flawed in YOUR opinion" or the ever popular one "I'm hounding you with no representable, or established base of arguement"? As for the baiting thing, lawl. You also thought that me telling them to stop point blankly would work. Had you said "If you ask them nicely, then that may get them to stop", that'd have been an accepted answer. But on top of that, me telling them that's wrong, then reporting them tells them nothing to what they did that got account action taken against them, merely that it's bad. If you know the price of your actions, you know not to take them. It's the same as the Death Penalty, in comparison(though loose). People don't commit crimes because they fear death. Simply connection. No million dollars for you, that is not your final answer.

My actions lacked common sense, yes, you're right. Trying to help someone play a game to make it better for everyone, no matter how akward my approach may be, is lacking common sense, when they agreed to never hold OutSpark liable. At least if they DO get banned or what have you, they will know THEY did it, and that they had FOREWARNING of the possibility. In most peoples shoes, waking up, and then finding out "omg what did I do wrong I'm in trouble somehow" tends to really aggrivate a person. So let's change that in my scenario to: "He said this would happen, and it did. I refused to listen, so it's my fault." Don't tell me this isn't true, there's been plenty of posts where people ask WHY they were banned. There is no lack of common sense, I am filling a VOID here.

And no, my actions did NOTHING. Their choice, AGAIN, is what affected things. NOTHING a person does to another can make them react in a certain forseeable way. Even in Social Engineering, there is that error margin for human choice, sure, it doesn't happen often that they go against the crowd, but they make the choice to go with it, or against it. You are still failing to realize that crucial fact.

Already dealt with that paragraph by pointing out the obvious in the aforeposted screenshots.

You CAN think what you want, but the fact of the matter, is that you're trying to make me see things your way. I understand, get over yourself, please. You have no idea what my intentions in this matter on, based on your deep seeded desire to see me on a cross with nails through my hands or in some way mocked. That's about the only reason concievable for you to not see the repeated statements and obvious truths that I have been posting ad infinitum in this entire thread. I don't see why this is hard, but I must say the before mentioned event must be the only thing propelling you, if the repeated points of interest, or the obvious truth lying in the screenshots is somehow being percieved as non-existant, but in a hard copy form on your computer screen. Go Human Evolution.

And you never said you were debating it.

In any case I am done debating the subject.

Edit Here: With the above stated quote, and your seeming to believe you said 'discuss', you have made your reasons for continuing this contradictory. When you've went two ways on anything in a debate, when you are representing the one, you are generally declared the loser. Take that into consideration, please.

Stop wasting my time with endlessly repeated nonsense, please. I would rather spend my time doing something of actual use to the community, or player base than sit here and see who's stream is more yellow.