Nightmare in Dragon's Tomb

[OneSapphire]

Hi all,

So my cleric has reached 82 and have done several rounds of Dragon's Tomb (DT). And it was an.....absolute nightmare!! :eek:

I would usually go in only if my fighter friend is in. But we'd need DD's and second tank too. My problem is, I have been in party with people who would just barge in and mob everything. And either got themselves or me killed. I have serious problem healing people in DT, I just have no idea what to do. Two clerics is fine, but one? And most people would insist on free allocation so they could grab every drop for themselves. My fighter friend and I would always put sequential, just to be fair. Of course, she'd switch it to free when we reached the boss.

I'd really really appreciate if anyone could give me some tips on how to do my job better as a cleric in DT. Of course, it would be great if you could share your experience or rants here regarding that place.

I realize DT isn't all that hard, just need a good party. I now dread very much of going in and I feel like quitting as a cleric. :confused:

[ontslaan]

DT healing is very difficult to do with just one cleric, especially when you are a newer cleric to the Instance Dungeon.

I usually try to Prioritize my healing to where I heal more important party members first. it goes like this:
Main Tanks
Clerics
DD's (Mages/archers/ Non-tanking Fighters)
And be sure you have your heals maxed on CD. I mainly used five healing skills when in DT:
Heal, Rejuvenate,Cure, Restore/Restore Aoe and Invinc.

it is tough as an only cleric to keep up, and you will have people dying in your party sometimes. It's not that big of a deal-- It happens to the best of clerics, where the party pulls simply too much for them to safely handle and you support. But as you level higher and become more comfortable with the High-stress Healing, you will be welcomed in parties outside of DT. ^^ It's all a matter of practice. If the Casualties flame you or give you a hard time or get you killed without them trying to help keep aggro off you, simply find a new and better party. They should be a little more flexible with a level 82 cleric then a level 90 cleric.
When I started DT, i needed another cleric in my party, but now I can safely manage healing myself. ^^

Just keep at it, and you'll get the nack for it!
<3 Good luck :D
If you need any more help, I'm more then happy to help a fellow cleric. :)

[leobaloy]

Yea, when I started DT, its a lot harder than what I was used to, since I mainly duo with my wife.

And often I find myself always being the only cleric in a DT party. And sadly almost everyone thinks that because there's a cleric in the party, they're invincible. It is hard being the only cleric, I always wish I had a second cleric in the party with me, just to make things easier, its hard trying to keep everyone alive when the tank isn't holding aggro, your mages/archers don't bother to scroll and get 2 hit, or when mages/archers stand next to mobs that aoe....its like; you already know that it aoes, can you please try to make my job easier by standing further away?

And like you said, its not hard, just that 90% of the time your party consists of nothing but morons.

/rant

Well, you're still lv82, you'll find it much easier at lv85, since you get another AoE heal, and this one has no cast time, and has a very short cool down, the only drawback is that it draws a lot of aggro.

Just prioritize your heals, don't be afraid to use invinc, don't be afraid to scold your party members

[OneSapphire]

I always ask for another cleric now and I get cold feet when the cleric left lol. But I think it is a good learning experience. I can't wait for Awaken.

[LongshotFoxx]

I agree with Leobaloy. Don't be afraid to scold party members.

If you know you're a good cleric, one of the best, don't be afraid to give yourself the best party members.

Plus, about the morons, birds of a feather, flock together. (kick them out of pt)

As a really good cleric, I've had several experiences where I could boss the main tank of Gold Hill around. One time when my cleric was 32 (restarted him, screwed up stats and empowers), I needed the boss and threatened not to heal him anymore if he didn't join my pt. He thought about it for about 10 seconds, then joined my pt. He and I both got the kill and we both completed or quests happily ever after :)

Seriously, don't be afraid to assert your position. If they do something that hinders you doing what you do best, let them know about that and the following consequences. They will most likely change behavior before you stop healing them or de-pt them. Everyone is a healoholic. Cant live without 'em.
I try to balance my assertion with praise for a good job well done though. I don't want to seem like I'm a big jerk that likes to boss people around. Don't want a bad rep.

Also, about finding a good party. I try to find higher level people that will do abyss with me all the time. But since I'm 10 levels lower, they usually discount me. Often times showing off how good your heals can be for 2 minutes even though your not in their pt makes you look pretty attractive. It's like showing your employer your resume.

...I gotta work on these long posts...

[Panzehao]

a key thing is find a tank that can tank or knows his/her limits, if anyone else thats not tank charges in feel free to let them die ^_^ as a tank myself i do my best to make the cleric's life as easy as possible and i know if the tank is good a cleric won't have to do much work, heck i soloed dt w/o charms on my fighter before so any decent tank should make their cleric go through all those unnessary troublesXD

[Eloren]

Yeah, don't hesitate to tell people to take it easy with the mobs if they're being too reckless. And when there's only one cleric, the other party members should be sensible enough to use stones and potions if they need to. Fortunately as a cleric you have a little more freedom to be picky about your parties, and as you go along you'll meet people and make friends who are actually competent. Those are the people you want on your friend list so they'll contact you when they need clerics. :p

As far as the actual healing goes, this is one area where you need to be good at using multiple skills and prioritizing heals. Figure out who's taking the most damage and give them first priority, and keep Restore on anybody who needs it. (I often hit everybody with the aoe Restore before we go charging in to fight a boss.) Use Rejuvenate in addition to regular Heal (and have both on maximum cooldown). Don't forget about Quicken, especially if someone needs a double-Invincible.

As far as the drops, yeah, there can be some greedy people there. From what I've seen most parties don't use sequential allocation, especially if there are quest drops involved. You can try to get to the chests first, or hope you're in a party with people who don't care about picking up the mat drops. Other than that, such is the life of a healbot. :p

[Panzehao]

Yeah, don't hesitate to tell people to take it easy with the mobs if they're being too reckless. And when there's only one cleric, the other party members should be sensible enough to use stones and potions if they need to. Fortunately as a cleric you have a little more freedom to be picky about your parties, and as you go along you'll meet people and make friends who are actually competent. Those are the people you want on your friend list so they'll contact you when they need clerics. :p

As far as the actual healing goes, this is one area where you need to be good at using multiple skills and prioritizing heals. Figure out who's taking the most damage and give them first priority, and keep Restore on anybody who needs it. (I often hit everybody with the aoe Restore before we go charging in to fight a boss.) Use Rejuvenate in addition to regular Heal (and have both on maximum cooldown). Don't forget about Quicken, especially if someone needs a double-Invincible.

As far as the drops, yeah, there can be some greedy people there. From what I've seen most parties don't use sequential allocation, especially if there are quest drops involved. You can try to get to the chests first, or hope you're in a party with people who don't care about picking up the mat drops. Other than that, such is the life of a healbot. :p

IKR cleric can like shout for party and get invited>.> as of no tanks are total usless coz all the mages can tank just as well Q_Q i feel usless in ptsXD and as for drops every grind pt i'm in its set to seq but if your in dt its going to be set on free coz it gets way too confusing with the dropsXD so if your a cleric in dt and you want the stuff your a bit out of luckXD try going in with friends

[Eloren]

I dunno, my parties always appreciate having capable tanks. Too often we get fighters who either have crappy def or don't know how to manage crowd control. It's good to have mages who can take some hits during mobbing, but we still need good fighter tanks.

[Panzehao]

I dunno, my parties always appreciate having capable tanks. Too often we get fighters who either have crappy def or don't know how to manage crowd control. It's good to have mages who can take some hits during mobbing, but we still need good fighter tanks.

Well for dugeons like dt and ln and lab you have to have tank so people pt you but when you get to normal grinding if you got a godly charmed mage then tank serve no point beside to maby lure mobs >.> i feel usless Q_Q XD and ya there are lot of crappy tanker out there lol i seen them its sad >.< give bad name to tankers>.>

[forever_new]

DT is annoying. D:

[OneSapphire]

DT is annoying. D:

Indeed. ;)

[dawnnie]

my experience with dt isnt very good, when i reach lv 80, i already started out healing as the only cleric
and i know people do die, but when they die all they do is to blame on cleric, this isnt really fair.

i had a party with a tanker, who doesnt use scrolls, or self-stone, all he rely is the only cleric (me),
not sure if his def is weak or what, but when the boss hit him he is like having 1/5 life left, all my heals were having CD, not even enough to heal him, and he died, and so, he blame me.

3 mages, luring mobs in the middle, and 1 died, then went on saying ' wow nice healing u have there'

is it really all my fault? all the 3 mages are getting hit ._.

[OneSapphire]

my experience with dt isnt very good, when i reach lv 80, i already started out healing as the only cleric
and i know people do die, but when they die all they do is to blame on cleric, this isnt really fair.

i had a party with a tanker, who doesnt use scrolls, or self-stone, all he rely is the only cleric (me),
not sure if his def is weak or what, but when the boss hit him he is like having 1/5 life left, all my heals were having CD, not even enough to heal him, and he died, and so, he blame me.

3 mages, luring mobs in the middle, and 1 died, then went on saying ' wow nice healing u have there'

is it really all my fault? all the 3 mages are getting hit ._.


People die in places like CC, DT, even with 3 clerics sometimes. There are various reasons for that, some are unavoidable. Teaming up with people with experience and know what they are doing help a lot. When I see those who don't scroll up, I nicely ask them to do so. For those who like to blame, they won't be in my pt list the next time. The best we can do as clerics, is to learn from our mistakes and do our best. I learned that taking blames and blaming ourselves are demoralizing and destructive. Take it easy, being a cleric is stressful enough. For now, since I am still inexperienced in DT, I only go in when there are 2 clerics.

[dawnnie]

People die in places like CC, DT, even with 3 clerics sometimes. There are various reasons for that, some are unavoidable. Teaming up with people with experience and know what they are doing help a lot. When I see those who don't scroll up, I nicely ask them to do so. For those who like to blame, they won't be in my pt list the next time. The best we can do as clerics, is to learn from our mistakes and do our best. I learned that taking blames and blaming ourselves are demoralizing and destructive. Take it easy, being a cleric is stressful enough. For now, since I am still inexperienced in DT, I only go in when there are 2 clerics.

i asked and he refuse, lol, and he keep claiming he is good, but he and his friends just keep blaming on me ._.' then keep making sarcastic remarks like wasting their time because they keep dying etc.. this really make me so frustrated... ._.

[fenris_bane]

i asked and he refuse, lol, and he keep claiming he is good, but he and his friends just keep blaming on me ._.' then keep making sarcastic remarks like wasting their time because they keep dying etc.. this really make me so frustrated... ._.

That is about that time I would tell them "Let's see how long you live without my help." and quit the party. Had to do it a couple of times in DT. Two in paticular come to mind ....

1) Everyone rushed in and got feared. They ran around in panic attracting more mobs. Most of the mobs came after me because I was drawing all the agro from healing. We all died. This all happed before we could open the first key box.

2) A rather rude fighter was over mobbing (gathering too many monsters) and then started complaining because he kept dying. Hey, if the mob is so big they can collectivly one hit K.O. you ... then no cleric can keep you alive. Pull fewer monsters.

[Panzehao]

That is about that time I would tell them "Let's see how long you live without my help." and quit the party. Had to do it a couple of times in DT. Two in paticular come to mind ....

1) Everyone rushed in and got feared. They ran around in panic attracting more mobs. Most of the mobs came after me because I was drawing all the agro from healing. We all died. This all happed before we could open the first key box.

2) A rather rude fighter was over mobbing (gathering too many monsters) and then started complaining because he kept dying. Hey, if the mob is so big they can collectivly one hit K.O. you ... then no cleric can keep you alive. Pull fewer monsters.

I don't get how people keep over mobbing and dying, i mean i do it once and learn that its too many for me and get less i don't get how if you mob that many and die the first time and it happens again the second time and the third time you think they stop and realize they can't tank that many but no they keep rushingXD something is wrong with their way of thinkingXD

[fenris_bane]

I don't get how people keep over mobbing and dying, i mean i do it once and learn that its too many for me and get less i don't get how if you mob that many and die the first time and it happens again the second time and the third time you think they stop and realize they can't tank that many but no they keep rushingXD something is wrong with their way of thinkingXD

lol ... No, that is about the time I start getting called a "Failed Cleric" ... Those type of people seem to think that the should recieve 100% of the cleric's skills. The also take greater risks if they have the "Blessings of Teva" so the don't loose exp when the die.

[Panzehao]

lol ... No, that is about the time I start getting called a "Failed Cleric" ... Those type of people seem to think that the should recieve 100% of the cleric's skills. The also take greater risks if they have the "Blessings of Teva" so the don't loose exp when the die.

Lol its like this if you see you buddy run around the corner and get shot and you see your second buddy run around the corner and get shot you think you wouldn't run around the corner and get shot but no they do anyways>.>

[ontslaan]

That is about that time I would tell them "Let's see how long you live without my help." and quit the party. Had to do it a couple of times in DT. Two in paticular come to mind ....

1) Everyone rushed in and got feared. They ran around in panic attracting more mobs. Most of the mobs came after me because I was drawing all the agro from healing. We all died. This all happed before we could open the first key box.

2) A rather rude fighter was over mobbing (gathering too many monsters) and then started complaining because he kept dying. Hey, if the mob is so big they can collectivly one hit K.O. you ... then no cleric can keep you alive. Pull fewer monsters.


Ugh. I agree. I hated it when fighters would charge in and mob and die in one shot and expect me to drop all the healing I'm doing to come and revive him. Most tanks I have had in my DT parties have been good.I've even had a few Manks tank. Crowd control is the main marking of a good tank, usually.

[hamsterfest]

When I blamed myself for being fail 'cause I and the tank kept dying at corny, an archer told me that most clerics don't even make it there....After that I was able to cope with myself :)

Also, so many people fail at 8x it's not even funny...............

[Sir.nossraL]

when i do DT on my cleric then ill mostly tell em what to do before they start attack! Like i dont want archer and mages infroont off me becouse i know and they know that they will do the same amount off dmg where ever they stand. And ill let the fighter pull all the monsters exept when it comes to boss rooms. That way i know where i got my DD members and where i got my tankers. And i mostly focus on the tankers! And if a monster of two slips by ill always steal the aggro with my aoe heals and do 2 attacks on the monster/monsters and then ill lets the mage/archer finish em off, or ill just tell em to help the fighters. I´ll just tank the few ones i got on me, all that clerics should have to use in DT to defend him/herself is stones and pots. Thats all im using on my cleric and then i can focus every heal on my party. And i always make sure that they got the invorgation skill or whats its called active on everyone. And ill try to stick around 5-10 meters away from the tankers so that my aoe heals can reach everyone in the pt.

[OneSapphire]

Ugh. I agree. I hated it when fighters would charge in and mob and die in one shot and expect me to drop all the healing I'm doing to come and revive him. Most tanks I have had in my DT parties have been good.I've even had a few Manks tank. Crowd control is the main marking of a good tank, usually.


Crowd control indeed. There are just too few good tanks these days. One of the best DT parties I had was 2 clerics and 3 mages, all the way to corny. God, we totally owned that place. However, I'd still prefer to have a tank in my pt. These days, I only go in DT with certain people. Once you've experienced what a good pt is, you just won't compromise anymore with annoying mages and fighters who want to rush in, grab all the drops for themselves and then whine for dying.

[demotae]

be honest with you, i don't think you have to scold or tell ppl anything. Trust me, I've just got my cleric to lvl 90, and almost done with DT, thank god.
Once the hardheads lose enough exp, they start to bring it down a notch or leave the pt so you can find someone with better common sense

[giovanni2010]

Best DT party (for me lol):

- Main tanker
- A DD (Damage Dealer) that can tank aggro for a few seconds
- Mage that can tank aggro for a few seconds
- 2nd mage (don't need to tank aggro if he don't have charms)
- Cleric

It's rare but some fighters can solo Dungeon Cornelius using Vitality (skill that decrease your defense but increase your damage), axe, no SC suits and no Cleric.

And: I finished DT when I'm on a party with 4 Mages and 1 Cleric; no Fighter. :D

[joanx5]

I recommend you look at anyanimeluver's Dragon Tomb Troubles, a lot of cleric based DT advice was given in there. It seemed helpful, so maybe you should take a look too.

[Antony_Aravind]

Dt is alot easier for the previous version. I can solo it if there wasn't the Bleed that causes 490 hp per half second >.>