Clerics can just heal and get plvled?

[OneSapphire]

I was chatting with a fighter friend today and I told her I want to get to prestige so much. In my opinion, anyone who reaches prestige is a big deal, more so for a cleric who has to endure so much 'hardship'. (If you're a cleric you know what I mean).

And I was shocked when she said, "cleric is the easiest class to level. All you need to do is just following around, heal, and get plvled." Her cleric is level 88 by the way.

Obviously I was pretty upset because she is one of the closest friends I have in the game.

So, what do you think, fellow healers? Do you think we just press button 1 while watching TV and eating peanuts at the same time, while our tanks risk having their fingers sprained pressing randoms buttons on the keyboard?

For me, healing is a thankless job and I always put all my effort in keeping people alive. My eyes are on my party members, always, watching and protecting them.

[Panzehao]

Its not really plvling if your healingXD Cleric is the most important class in the party, almost every party will need a cleric. So if you know a lot of poeple higher lvl than you yes cleric is extremely easy to lvl if you can get in to constant parties. On the other hand when you can't find a party your soloing is extremely slow. But if your healing then your doing your part in the party and thous its not plvling.
And yes cleric please don't do something else Q_Q i am a tank and i have suffered many time from clerics that doesn't heal most of the time coz god knows what they were doing while i tanked the entire mob with stones >.> please if you healing for a pt heal them don't go around doing something elseXD as much as people want ot tnak clerics have the hardest work they get don't breaks like DDs to chat or some time tanks if your good enough =P

[LongshotFoxx]

For one, I can't think of how you can sprain your finger on a keyboard.

I CAN think of how you can sprain your fingers when you ram your hand into the wall while swimming at top speed. If you're not a swimmer, just think of punching the wall with your index finger as hard as you can. It hurts like heck. x.x

And yes, clerics can get superior leveling services if they heal the fighters. I, for one am not against it. They just better keep up with my heals or I'm going to kick them out of pt. I've frequently done this "plvling" as you call it many times. It works like a charm. Plus it's added challenge, keeping higher level players alive. Not as easy as the same tier of level as you, that's for sure.

Also, if they are watching tv at the same time, someone will notice their inattentiveness, and de-pt them. Simple as that.

[Aeriex]

I have two clerics and I assumably have heard the same BS a lot. When you are healing your party you are NOT getting plvled.
You are using skills and stones and risking dying just the same as the rest of them. Just because you don't do any damage doesn't mean you're not contributing to the party.
When Cookies was level 88 most of my guild was 100+ and I often partied with them while they were trying to cap. A level 88 in a duo with a 100+ mage isn't a plvl either. That's a level 88 who has the healing capacity to Keep up with the needs of the party.

Its annoying as **** to hear "YOu have two clerics lol.Both your prestiges got plvl'd their lul" Yea kiss my *** douchebag you'd be on the floor 98% of the time without a cleric. /rage.

[reinviting]

I had a safe trip through my cleric life :D. Nah I joke, there were some hardships.

I had a few people that say that clerics are the easiest to level. I usually just ignore them. At times it can be really easy and at other times its very difficult.

I can never heal and do something else in the meantime. When I do, too many people die =/.

Like other people have said, If you can find a party, leveling would be pretty easy. However, if you can;t, then leveling would be a pain.

Is it power leveling? I don't believe so. Panzehao summed it up pretty well.

[LongshotFoxx]

I have two clerics and I assumably have heard the same BS a lot. When you are healing your party you are NOT getting plvled.
You are using skills and stones and risking dying just the same as the rest of them. Just because you don't do any damage doesn't mean you're not contributing to the party.
When Cookies was level 88 most of my guild was 100+ and I often partied with them while they were trying to cap. A level 88 in a duo with a 100+ mage isn't a plvl either. That's a level 88 who has the healing capacity to Keep up with the needs of the party.

Its annoying as **** to hear "YOu have two clerics lol.Both your prestiges got plvl'd their lul" Yea kiss my *** douchebag you'd be on the floor 98% of the time without a cleric. /rage.

O_O
Whoo... You get that a lot, I presume. Yeah, I bet they're just jealous cuz they suck at healing. XD

But yeah, Aeriex is one of the few leading authorities on clerics.

Besides, what are you going to do with a heal that heals 750 HP when you only have 698? (<me)

Heal people with a lot more hp of course! Yeah, it's far from a plvl. You have to keep them alive, and pay way more attention to not grabbing aggro and getting severely hit. It's a hard job that only an elite few can pull off.

[Orchids_Mantis]

My opinion on this one:

If you area level 30 cleric in Uruga -a place you would not go with level 30s, normally and a fighter says for you to pt and heal him so he doesn't have to use hp stones, I think that's pretty much a powerlevel. If you are a level 50 cleric following a level 80 archer around in BR healing them, I think that's a powerlevel.

basically, if it's a map and/or mob you can't defeat as quickly with a party at your level, I think it's a powerlevel. It takes a lot more time to level partying and healing players at your own level.

But that's my opinion.

[yamimi]

....while our tanks risk having their fingers sprained pressing randoms buttons on the keyboard?

What have YOU been doing as a cleric!? I strain my fingers every second thank you. (hopes your comment was sarcastic... in that case, my question still stands XD)

Hardships...Hardships... I don't know... I've been a pretty competent cleric myself so it's not as often as you'd think that I'd get someone complaining about that they died. If they died it was their fault, lmao.

I never got plvled as a cleric though I wished I had. I'd tag along with grinding parties but I never got THAT much experience. (but then again, I shouldn't complain. Exp is exp regardless). I agree with everyone else though that it's not officially getting power-lvled. A plvl you don't have to do ****. As a cleric, the so-callled "plvler" is expecting you to heal them.. that's almost for each & every cleric.

Being a cleric CAN be a bit of a thankless job..if you're partied with self-centered idiots, but for every *****, there's about 10-20 VERY nice people who, heck, may even gift you something just to keep you as a friend o.o; Just be nice, and TRY (keyword: try..lol) not to let people die. It's one of those jobs where thanks & rewards, as little as they may come, are shown with huge graditute.

[leobaloy]

My opinion on this one:

If you area level 30 cleric in Uruga -a place you would not go with level 30s, normally and a fighter says for you to pt and heal him so he doesn't have to use hp stones, I think that's pretty much a powerlevel. If you are a level 50 cleric following a level 80 archer around in BR healing them, I think that's a powerlevel.

basically, if it's a map and/or mob you can't defeat as quickly with a party at your level, I think it's a powerlevel. It takes a lot more time to level partying and healing players at your own level.

But that's my opinion.

Hm, so you're saying that a cleric is being power leveled because he's only healing?

So to you, this is true:

lv50 fighter following a lv8x Archer in br = lv50 cleric healing a lv8x archer in br

I don't know about you, but the cleric is actually doing something.


But that's my opinion.

[librachan]

I think that when it comes to powereleveling it's about every scenario in particular, it's a 'case-by-case' analysis. I have seen clerics follow archers or duo with mages in spots where the archer or the mage don't even need heals, and even if healed the contribution is so minimum that some could say the cleric is being plvled.

However, I have also seen clerics in spots where the mage could use heals, and the cleric is either using MSN or whisper-chatting or doing who knows what and the mage/archer ends up doing the whole job by him/herself, and while the spot would make you swear the cleric has to be doing something, the real thing is that it's a straight powerlevel.

In the other hand, I have seen clerics in spots where they are plain outleveled, and still contribute more to the party than some clerics who are meant to grind in that particular spot. I think Aeyr gave a good example before when she mentioned herself healing 100's with her 88 guard-to-be.

Servers are little little worlds ._. We know who has and who hasn't been powerleveled.

[LongshotFoxx]

It really depends on what definition of plvling we're using here. Some say plvling is doing nothing to level, while other say it's getting exp that you can't get by yourself or with people your level.

Both sides might be right here.

[Eloren]

Heh, this discussion reminds me of the time an archer randomly partied me... I turned it down, as I normally do when I get an invite out of the blue, and then she whispered me to rather curtly inform me that "I was going to plvl you, but whatever..." Turned out she wanted a healbot to run around with her while she kited in an area that outleveled both of us. I certainly didn't mind going along for the exp and giggles, but I had to raise my eyebrows at the way she phrased it, as if she was doing me a big favor by letting me tag along. And I guess the fact that I was keeping her alive was just incidental. :rolleyes:

[LongshotFoxx]

Heh, this discussion reminds me of the time an archer randomly partied me... I turned it down, as I normally do when I get an invite out of the blue, and then she whispered me to rather curtly inform me that "I was going to plvl you, but whatever..." Turned out she wanted a healbot to run around with her while she kited in an area that outleveled both of us. I certainly didn't mind going along for the exp and giggles, but I had to raise my eyebrows at the way she phrased it, as if she was doing me a big favor by letting me tag along. And I guess the fact that I was keeping her alive was just incidental. :rolleyes:

Lol, nice. Self plvling. AKA Xtreme training! XD Or better yet... X-TRAINING! Lol...I crack myself up too much...

Yeah, when archers get mist, they all of a sudden just start ripping through levels. I rarely see any archer above 51 in an academy at all.

[OneSapphire]

For one, I can't think of how you can sprain your finger on a keyboard.

I CAN think of how you can sprain your fingers when you ram your hand into the wall while swimming at top speed. If you're not a swimmer, just think of punching the wall with your index finger as hard as you can. It hurts like heck. x.x



I did once, while tanking on my fighter. Ah, I should have used the word strained, which makes more sense. :p

[TariDragon]

I think that when it comes to powereleveling it's about every scenario in particular, it's a 'case-by-case' analysis. I have seen clerics follow archers or duo with mages in spots where the archer or the mage don't even need heals, and even if healed the contribution is so minimum that some could say the cleric is being plvled.

However, I have also seen clerics in spots where the mage could use heals, and the cleric is either using MSN or whisper-chatting or doing who knows what and the mage/archer ends up doing the whole job by him/herself, and while the spot would make you swear the cleric has to be doing something, the real thing is that it's a straight powerlevel.

In the other hand, I have seen clerics in spots where they are plain outleveled, and still contribute more to the party than some clerics who are meant to grind in that particular spot. I think Aeyr gave a good example before when she mentioned herself healing 100's with her 88 guard-to-be.

Servers are little little worlds ._. We know who has and who hasn't been powerleveled.

I fully agree.

One unique thing about clerics is that they can be desirable to grinding parties that are of a higher level. This isn't normally true of other classes. But that doesn't mean the cleric is necessarily plvled for going with that higher-level party. Circumstances and the amount of effort the cleric puts in both play a big roll.

If during an activity a player is honing skills and developing in his or her class, I wouldn't consider that a plvl. If the player is putting little or no effort in while others do all the work, it's a plvl. And, btw, work /= inflicting damage. Work means using skills proactively to benefit the party.

[zephyr-aryn]

I might as well toss in my two cents...

I fully agree that the cleric is fulfilling their duties as long as they are doing an effective healing job. If they know their skills they can heal and get experience when they are either tired of questing or low on quests. When I was 7x I hardly had any quests to pull me through, because I still did all my 6x quests even with the new tower and repeats in there, which came out right during my 6x days...that was my bad. Therefore I ended up going to SoD and healing the mages and sometimes parties there, because it was doing the trying-to-prestige grinders a service and it got me some experience as well. A few times people yelled at me and my party because they were saying they had priority over the gargoyle field, (which is now history), because they were there to level, not plvl. There were also a few times when I went there to grind and saw people plvling, some even clerics when they could have been healing. Sometimes a cleric would even afk in the party I was in...those are some instances that I wouldn't approve. It's annoying as a cleric when you have a second cleric in the party and instead of splitting the work they get outright plvled or afk to "use the rest room" only to be gone for half an hour or more. Thank goodness the party master often had the sense to boot them.

...Also in response to the first post it usually takes more than spam clicking just heal and having your attention elsewhere. You have more than one heal skill and it will take more than one to keep your party members alive, especailly if they have more hit points gone than you can heal at once. Other times you might attract heal agro and you may need to move into the aoe to lose it or heal yourself as well as your other party member(s).

[FrostyFruit]

Cleric is too stressful for me. I can barely talk in party and paying attention to everyone's HP. That's why I went full strength. Too much responsibility and I just end up dying. Archer and mage is easy for me and fighter is too easy...I get bored. u.u

[Dthugtherealist]

To me as long as your doing a service to your Pt. your not getting plvl'ed. If your capable of Tanking,MM'ing,Healing in Higher lvl places then all good. Its the people that go to Higher lvl places and are not capable that I consider being Plvl'ed.

[fenris_bane]

Plvl'ing??? What is that??? LOL ......

But seriously, I've solo'ed 99% of my way except for 3 instances:

1) a party is required to enter an area.
2) in KQ's were team work is best for success.
3) I'm helping my lower lvl friends with quests. (I'm helping them lvl more quickly but making faster kills in their quests. Not really Plvl'ing.)

I might stop soloing before I cap ... but found I can kill snakes at 9X ... and they give good exp.

Don't let it upset you. So people think being a cleric is easy because we can heal ourselves. They don't understand all of the down points of being a cleric.

[imeel]

Cleric is a cheap class and easy in the way u dont need really +9 armors/weapon because other classes kills for you, of course u can notice who is a bad and a good cleric (timing heal control, no lag, good at multiple healing, etc) and to reach prestige u just need a elite pack as a cleric, a hardcore permanently 70% charmed full SC suited skinned and fully +10/+9 mage can do the bad job for you.

[Okachobi13]

Yeah healing a full party, trying to keep everyone alive is not easy at all. So Clerics do work when they are in a party. When I am in a party it is sometimes fustrating trying to keep everyone alive. But i gotta get it done. So in a party clerics are definetly not hanging back thinking that their job is so easy...

[Aeriex]

Lol I don't know what you're talking about but when TOS first came out I was charming with the rest of my party. Playing my cleric was just as expensive as any other class, thanks.

[OneSapphire]

Cleric is too stressful for me. I can barely talk in party and paying attention to everyone's HP.


I know what you mean. I find playing cleric sometimes causes me emotional imbalanced lol.. it's the stress of keeping the party alive, especially when all of them are squishies. Chatting is a luxury.

[LongshotFoxx]

I know what you mean. I find playing cleric sometimes causes me emotional imbalanced lol.. it's the stress of keeping the party alive, especially when all of them are squishies. Chatting is a luxury.

Have you ever tried to keep 2 level 20 mages alive with just heal in the Gold Hill KQ, when both of them are 2-hit kills, and both are being attacked by a level 28 bat?

X_X

[OneSapphire]

Have you ever tried to keep 2 level 20 mages alive with just heal in the Gold Hill KQ, when both of them are 2-hit kills, and both are being attacked by a level 28 bat?

X_X

Hmm...it's been a while since I was at that level. Well, I've thought about how it would be if I were to go back to level 20 and had only Heal and...Protect if I'm not mistaken? Tough.

[zephyr-aryn]

Have you ever tried to keep 2 level 20 mages alive with just heal in the Gold Hill KQ, when both of them are 2-hit kills, and both are being attacked by a level 28 bat?

X_X

Sounds like fun. X'D Just wait until you hit Robo KQ and end up being the only cleric there. It happens and it's not pretty...

[windholder]

Keeping your party alive isn't plvling, it's a heck of a responsibility. ESPECIALLY when you get players who either don't touch their pots and stones at all, or who use them just before you heal them.

Right now, my basic Heal is good for 1176. So a lot of folks will use pots or stones around 700, 800 or so, just as I'm hitting Heal. So what do I do: short-heal and lose SP in a hurry, or risk a zero-heal for less of an SP hit?

And that's not even including pulling aggro from healing too much.

Clerics tend to need parties to level faster, but keeping our party alive is WORK. It's our JOB, if you will. Now, if you're in a party, and keeping your wep at your side the whole time, not attacking, not healing, no party buffs working, sure, that's a plvl. But if you're healing, reviving, providing party buffs, and so on, you're doing your job. Raising your wep is more important than swinging it, I like to say.

[slire]

Have you ever tried to keep 2 level 20 mages alive with just heal in the Gold Hill KQ, when both of them are 2-hit kills, and both are being attacked by a level 28 bat?

X_X

lols pretty easy let one that is strongest get healed other can get reved problem solved

but yea just wait tell u get to LN or secret lab thats when u know clerics arent leeching cause well then 4-5 of the group is dead instead of just 1 or 2 i have even seen tanks with full scrolls def suit and charms get hit over 50% 1 hit and then the rooms with like 5-8 mobs and they rush in and get hit all at once lets just say rejuv isnt enough lol

[fenris_bane]

Cleric is a cheap class and easy in the way u dont need really +9 armors/weapon because other classes kills for you, of course u can notice who is a bad and a good cleric (timing heal control, no lag, good at multiple healing, etc) and to reach prestige u just need a elite pack as a cleric, a hardcore permanently 70% charmed full SC suited skinned and fully +10/+9 mage can do the bad job for you.

Awwwwww ... sounds like someone as cleric envy .... lol

You obviously didn't read my post ... I said I've mainly SOLOED.

And now you sound like you are trying to recruit one of use to keep your squishy self alive so you can reach prestige. lmao

[OneSapphire]

Sounds like fun. X'D Just wait until you hit Robo KQ and end up being the only cleric there. It happens and it's not pretty...

Oh, this remind me of a time when I was the only cleric in Spider KQ (which is similar to Robo Kq). Nope, not pretty at all. We all died, and of course, I was yelled for being a fail cleric. What's new?

[Fayette_VanClyde]

Usually when I am being powerleveled by others, it's not a cake walk for me. They are pulling large mobs and I press a lot of buttons keeping everyone healed and alive T_T Clerics work just as hard as the other classes. Actually, in general, I find that for myself as a 9x cleric I need more and more parties to help me level. As a clank build, I can't just go in and start killing monsters left and right to earn quick exp. So parties and powerleveling is crucial in me getting (eventually) to cap. So I work really hard in those parties healing, etc.

I love being a cleric but I hate it when people rely solely on your heals and expect you to keep them alive when they are clearly pulling too much. I used to apologize when they died because of this (and I notice many clerics do as well) but I don't anymore. Don't complain to me that I'm a lousy cleric when I simply can't heal more than you are taking damage. By now, you should know how much you can handle in battle. I can rise up to a challenging mob but I'm not God xD Use pots and stones too or pull less /end quick rant (lol)

[Aeriex]

That's not a plvl, that's called grinding.

[Fayette_VanClyde]

That's not a plvl, that's called grinding.

I don't think I referred to grinding as powerleveling or vice versa, and I certainly know the difference O.o; I was just talking in general. Sorry for the confusion.

I do both powerleveling and grinding. Grinding with people my own level (9x) and then powerleveling with those in the 100x. But either way I work hard in my parties to heal and keep everyone alive.

[Aeriex]

Leveling with people above your level isn't plvling either, as long as your are actively doing something in the party ie Healing, an keeping people alive, that too is called grinding.

[konglung]

My opinion on this one:

If you area level 30 cleric in Uruga -a place you would not go with level 30s, normally and a fighter says for you to pt and heal him so he doesn't have to use hp stones, I think that's pretty much a powerlevel. If you are a level 50 cleric following a level 80 archer around in BR healing them, I think that's a powerlevel.

basically, if it's a map and/or mob you can't defeat as quickly with a party at your level, I think it's a powerlevel. It takes a lot more time to level partying and healing players at your own level.

But that's my opinion.

I think we should choose our word wisely. what orchids said here is not wrong either. He is referring to someone push to their limit to level very fast. Therefore a cookied party of level 40+ players in AEW is consider power leveling.

However, most people in fiesta refer to power leveling as one receive an exp nonparallel to their input. AKA bumming and receiving exp. Which I believe you are talking of this case here. Thus, a cleric with a party that are 20 level above of the cleric, and killing monsters that are 20 level higher than cleric, while cleric healing them like mad; is not consider as power leveling.

[tazmer90]

Anyone who says clerics are easy to play haven't played clerics themselves. Clerics require so much patience to play.

The game play is opposite of what clerics are designed to do. We give out buffs to other classes, but we don't get exp from everyone we buffed.

We rev people who are dead on the ground, but the game doesn't keep track of rev points. Only kill points.

The quests require some ridiculous number of mobs to kill and clerics is the only class that can't kill them in mass.

If the party is dumb, clerics get all the aggros and we still need to survive and rev everyone. And still hear complaints from the party that we haven't healed them fast enough.

Often we don't have any say in what quests we want to do. We just have to follow around the other person. Else, we risk becoming a solo cleric.

We go through insane amounts of SP stones if we end up partying crazy people. They just complain about their HP stone usage. What about how many SP stones clerics are using to heal and buff everyone? I noticed sometimes I end up using more SP stones if I party than if I solo. I still party because I can kill faster.

And what about getting kicked out from academies, because we are not leveling fast as other classes. T.T

And just in rare occasions when we are following around higher level persons, now other classes pick on us for healing a higher level person? Obviously, they haven't played the cleric class.

What about giving buffs to higher level people? Is that pleveling too?

Other classes are envious of our healing and buffing abilities. And we are the only class that can work with almost anyone in the game regardless of their levels and classes, both high and low. Those who complain about clerics getting pleveled don't realize what they are talking about.

[Aeriex]

^ trufax

[windholder]

If you're working--providing heals, buffs, party buffs, revs, whatever--then it's not a plvl by definition. You're part of the party, even if the rest of the bunch is 30 levels your senior. Not that a Level 3 Cleric ought to be hanging around in Moonlight Tomb, say, and not that they're going to have much to offer their party with Heal 1 and not much else. But if the party's okay with that, and the Cleric's using it, they're working, so it's not a plvl. Now, if that same Level 3 Cleric is in Moonlight Tomb, not using his heal, and doing nothing more than soaking up the XP, THAT'S a plvl.

I think that if a Cleric is using his skills, and the party is the better for them, it's a working partnership, even if the Cleric is the junior by a couple of armor sets. But that's just me.

[OneSapphire]

Anyone who says clerics are easy to play haven't played clerics themselves. Clerics require so much patience to play.

The game play is opposite of what clerics are designed to do. We give out buffs to other classes, but we don't get exp from everyone we buffed.

We rev people who are dead on the ground, but the game doesn't keep track of rev points. Only kill points.

The quests require some ridiculous number of mobs to kill and clerics is the only class that can't kill them in mass.

If the party is dumb, clerics get all the aggros and we still need to survive and rev everyone. And still hear complaints from the party that we haven't healed them fast enough.

Often we don't have any say in what quests we want to do. We just have to follow around the other person. Else, we risk becoming a solo cleric.

We go through insane amounts of SP stones if we end up partying crazy people. They just complain about their HP stone usage. What about how many SP stones clerics are using to heal and buff everyone? I noticed sometimes I end up using more SP stones if I party than if I solo. I still party because I can kill faster.

And what about getting kicked out from academies, because we are not leveling fast as other classes. T.T

And just in rare occasions when we are following around higher level persons, now other classes pick on us for healing a higher level person? Obviously, they haven't played the cleric class.

What about giving buffs to higher level people? Is that pleveling too?

Other classes are envious of our healing and buffing abilities. And we are the only class that can work with almost anyone in the game regardless of their levels and classes, both high and low. Those who complain about clerics getting pleveled don't realize what they are talking about.


Well said. Unfortunately, many times I've heard those who said clerics were the easiest class to play were clerics themselves. I never understood why they would say that. Made me feel as though I'm a dumb cleric who doesn't know how to play her class well.

[slire]

Lol idk I think fighters were easiest to play but then again it's nothing more than mock deva demoral in a party for them pretty easy to me plus the annoying part of getting into a party is always fun while they can go solo for an hour and get 50x what we do or more tell that party comes for them seems like easy mode why do u think there's majority of fighters low lvl cause most hard playing hard classes and areas in the game. IMO I think clerics hardest class right behind archers just cause kiting can be a pain when u got no idea how not that healing is any different.

[windholder]

Cleric IS a tough class to play. When you only have half a dozen quests to work on, most of them KQ, and one repeatable which you'd have to do some 20 times to level from, it's not quite as fun as it is in the early going when you've got more quests than you know what to do with. (And, ahem, more story to go with those quests.)

I suspect it only really gets interesting at Paladin...any of my seniors care to confirm?

[librachan]

I suspect it only really gets interesting at Paladin...any of my seniors care to confirm?

o.O? Cleric is interesting from level 1 to level 110 (although I can only speak of up to lvl 106, technically), as long as being a cleric is meant for you. Some people can't take the 'clericing', but that's ok, since it is a Role Play Game...

[OneSapphire]

I suspect it only really gets interesting at Paladin...any of my seniors care to confirm?



It gets boring for me. All I do now is heal, grind, rev, repeat quests. Bored of revving and healing, so I go solo. But solo for a cleric at high levels is painful. That is why I decided to play my alternate for a break. Playing cleric gives me stress and mood swings. However, I still like my cleric to bits. Clerics are awesome no matter what people say about them.

[Chaos1467]

Cleric is a cheap class and easy in the way u dont need really +9 armors/weapon because other classes kills for you, of course u can notice who is a bad and a good cleric (timing heal control, no lag, good at multiple healing, etc) and to reach prestige u just need a elite pack as a cleric, a hardcore permanently 70% charmed full SC suited skinned and fully +10/+9 mage can do the bad job for you.

To be fair to cleric, since I have both mage and cleric, I would say that playing a cleric is as hard as playing a mage if you play solo.(after the class balance for the stones that a mage can carry)

Mage is getting a lot easier to solo after you get 65+(Moving magic blast+Nova, 67 even have inferno,Can't imagine what it's like in 81) But what a cleric would have at that lvl would be 2 low damage attack skills. Yes , we can heal to keep ourselves alive , but just remember , the SP we consume to kill a mobs, since we have to heal and attacks , is the same as a mage or even a little more.

Cleric in party is a healing bot, you'll have no time to talk, rest or anything like other class can do. (A Mage in party can just put their inferno and Nova and rest 10 secs and keep it up [well, it's SP reserving or you can just life tap the hell out and make the cleric to worry more], an archer can just put in auto attack , clerics or fighters don't have that right.)

Cleric is a stressful class, you can try it and be the only cleric in a KQ, only time you can talk is when the way is clear , may be 1 min before you do the last boss and talk about who's going to be in what party.After 2 MD , I just want to get a rest as it's really taking my energy away by healing , reving and buffing ppl.

And back to the topic, cleric healing in a party , I don't see that's call P-lvling if that cleric is not leeching . Try healing in 6x abyss~ If a 4x cleric healing there is called getting P-lvl by someone else ~ Right , you got to see how much effort that a cleric have to do to keep the tanker and (him/herself) alive -HEALING GET AGGRO, WHEN MOBS COME TO YOU AND YOU GOT TO HEAL BOTH YOU AND YOUR TANKER ,IT IS NOT AS EASY AS YOU THINK- .

Anyway~ it's just my little opinion~

[liranqi]

thts...=.=..wow ..nothings easy of course ive been hating to be a cleric since i can buff...