clerics and thier weapons

[armonte1]

it has come to me and my friends attention that as u progress farther and lvl more that clerics are kinda pushed to the side and made to be a healer only im saying this because we dont get a ''fighting'' aoe untill 100 which is way to late in the game to do anything i thnk that clerics should have a choice in wat they want to do weather that fight or heal and people bring up the argument if u want to fight then make a fighter well what i have to say to that is that i want to be able to do decent dmg to a monster instead of having to sit and do two continual attacks over and over which bring me to my point that clerics should also be able to chose a third weapon that would be for those people like me who would love to go fight monsters without taking FOREVER to killl them we should either get a fighting aoe before 60 like all the other classes or at least make our dmg put out a little better sure we can heal but wat good does that do if u take to long i thnk that a 2h warhammer would be perfect of the cleric does anyone else agree? :)

[blue_lion]

Wow...please use punctuation, it is hard to read one long sentence.

Clerics have weapons incase they need to hit a target. Clerics primary function in this game to to assist other party members from falling over dead. That's the truth. Clerics can be built to be more offensive orriented, but you still need to be able to heal your party when you are in one.

If you have problems being a heal bot, at least from time to time, you will have a hard time leveleing in this game. I just refer to the other classes as my kill bots :)

[sandradds]

i thnk that a 2h warhammer would be perfect of the cleric does anyone else agree?

If I'm nt wrong I think they solo better with mace cuz of attack rate?

[vampyric_unicorn]

i do i a m a cleric a lvl 68

[kraehe]

it has come to me and my friends attention that as u progress farther and lvl more that clerics are kinda pushed to the side and made to be a healer only im saying this because we dont get a ''fighting'' aoe untill 100 which is way to late in the game to do anything i thnk that clerics should have a choice in wat they want to do weather that fight or heal and people bring up the argument if u want to fight then make a fighter well what i have to say to that is that i want to be able to do decent dmg to a monster instead of having to sit and do two continual attacks over and over which bring me to my point that clerics should also be able to chose a third weapon that would be for those people like me who would love to go fight monsters without taking FOREVER to killl them we should either get a fighting aoe before 60 like all the other classes or at least make our dmg put out a little better sure we can heal but wat good does that do if u take to long i thnk that a 2h warhammer would be perfect of the cleric does anyone else agree? :)
There's 3 things lacking here; proper grammar, spelling and punctuation. This right here, is 1 paragraph long sentence, that's a pain to read and comphrehend. As far the suggestion itself goes, clerics don't need a third weapon and they also don't need AoE's. You pay for the fact that you can heal, with your lack of offensive skills. Clerics do get an AoE at 60; an AoE party heal, which happens to be a perfectly fit skill for the support class of the game. The heal skill isn't there so that you can solo yourself up to cap, it's there so that you can go find a party and help keeping them alive. And yes, I'm a cleric myself.

[Jibrille]

it has come to me and my friends attention that as u progress farther and lvl more that clerics are kinda pushed to the side and made to be a healer only im saying this because we dont get a ''fighting'' aoe untill 100 which is way to late in the game to do anything i thnk that clerics should have a choice in wat they want to do weather that fight or heal and people bring up the argument if u want to fight then make a fighter well what i have to say to that is that i want to be able to do decent dmg to a monster instead of having to sit and do two continual attacks over and over which bring me to my point that clerics should also be able to chose a third weapon that would be for those people like me who would love to go fight monsters without taking FOREVER to killl them we should either get a fighting aoe before 60 like all the other classes or at least make our dmg put out a little better sure we can heal but wat good does that do if u take to long i thnk that a 2h warhammer would be perfect of the cleric does anyone else agree? :)

No, please no.
There are already plenty of clerics (8x+ as well) who think their role is to "fight" instead of healing. A third weapon like that would only make things worse.
You want to solo faster in pve? You want to be good at pvp? Sure, maces, good gears and STR in build help a lot. That's all you need. But don't forget that if you make a cleric you're expected to heal, in pt.
I'm one of those clerics who's quite happy about the dmg aoe being at 100+.
You're supposed to work hard to get to 100. Think of the dmg aoe as a good reward for your efforts. As the poster before me said, at 60 you do get an aoe, a healing one. At this point you're free to solo, keep a fighting role ect. It's your choice. Just saying that parties are the cleric's main zone. There are plenty of godly pvp-clerics, that are also goldy healers, i'm sure that if you browse the cleric section a bit, you'll find some good advices.
The game gives you the chance to make your gaming-style unique, just have some patience. A third weap. is really not necessary.^^

[sandradds]

Lol I think I've seen all this before in ealier threads. Although I'm not really a supporter of the 2H hammer (I'd rather an offensive AoE at 60+ :D) I don't think tht third weapon would change anything. Yes Clerics heal, in a party. However, Clerics who think that their role is to fight, which you have mentioned, will always fight. 2H hammer or no 2H hammer, offensive AoE or no offensive AoE.

[MageDragonShadow]

I am a battle cleric, but also a fantastic healer. I would never use a 2h hammer due to the fact I use my shield to increase the end I lost by building my "hybrid". I do nearly 3k damage as a level 87 cleric. Now, by the standards of the other classes I am sure this is low, however, I can solo quite effectively if I need too. BUT, I also have the ability to heal my tail off in a party situation.

Would I like another attack skill.. absolutely.
Would I like an offensive AOE... positively.

But by doing so, I probably would eliminate the need of ever requiring a party unless I was going to DT. And by adding those specific skills a lot of clerics would forget the party function. Healing. Surviving. Buffing.

This is a game age old arguement, and one that each class feels they are neglected in(skills power etc). If you take the game concept as a whole, break it down by individual parts, clerics are what they are, archers mages fighters, are what they are for a reason. Balance and teamwork. No class should be capable of single mass destruction and survivability through the course of this game...

It would get stale, the community would become redundant, and they could take the game offline because if you aren't here to play as a group, why have it as a MMO?

Just my opinion.....

[TariDragon]

Would I like another attack skill.. absolutely.
Would I like an offensive AOE... positively.

But by doing so, I probably would eliminate the need of ever requiring a party unless I was going to DT. And by adding those specific skills a lot of clerics would forget the party function. Healing. Surviving. Buffing.

I heartily disagree. This is a common myth and misperception that I'd like to see erased.

As long as the skills aren't wildly OP, clerics will always need parties. As a 105 hybrid cleric who has both of the two new skills, trust me, my party dependency hasn't changed in the slightest. The thing that has changed is that I now have a way to contribute offensively when in a party.

Also, anyone who loves being a healer will continue to heal, survive, and buff no matter what changes come along. I would argue that the clerics who would forget their party function were flimsy clerics to begin with.

[MageDragonShadow]

I heartily disagree. This is a common myth and misperception that I'd like to see erased.

As long as the skills aren't wildly OP, clerics will always need parties. As a 105 hybrid cleric who has both of the two new skills, trust me, my party dependency hasn't changed in the slightest. The thing that has changed is that I now have a way to contribute offensively when in a party.

Also, anyone who loves being a healer will continue to heal, survive, and buff no matter what changes come along. I would argue that the clerics who would forget their party function were flimsy clerics to begin with.

I agree and only stated my post based off the OP's original posting of increased damage. Making the cleric more battle strong for soloing.

That was the basis for my whole post. Not with current skill set and damage and the current need for party system.

The whole concept is based on the relation of "what if" the cleric would become overpowered and completely solo capable.

[TariDragon]

The whole concept is based on the relation of "what if" the cleric would become overpowered and completely solo capable.

:) Okay, gotcha.

That DARN myth, though. So many people are so scared of that happening that they completely close their minds and ears to cleric offensive discussions. Grr.

[MageDragonShadow]

Oh I feel your pain. I have smashed, tripped, healed myself to death.. lol

If I had one more button to mash.. ummm I may fail ehehehe Wouldn't know what to do with it.

[fenris_bane]

I heartily disagree. This is a common myth and misperception that I'd like to see erased.

As long as the skills aren't wildly OP, clerics will always need parties. As a 105 hybrid cleric who has both of the two new skills, trust me, my party dependency hasn't changed in the slightest.

I have to disagree whole heartedly. Cleric never NEED a party ... except in rare cases where you need a party to enter certain areas (like the tower, CC, DT, LN ... etc)

I recommend being part of a KQ party also but a cleric really does not really need a party.


Oh I feel your pain. I have smashed, tripped, healed myself to death.. lol

If I had one more button to mash.. ummm I may fail ehehehe Wouldn't know what to do with it.

Just wait till you get the additional attacks at level 95. I find I like silence because it is a ranged attack and can be used to attract one monster out of a group ... despite it being almost useless otherwise.

[kraehe]

I recommend being part of a KQ party also but a cleric really does not really need a party.

I've discovered recently hitting 95, getting to use my BKR hammer and having the new skills, I can solo my 5 kills easily within the first floor rofl (and when I say easily, I mean I don't even have to try), although I disagree cleric not needing party in general. True enough they may not need it (surviving and killing wise, granted they kill slow, but they can still manage on their own), but any cleric with desires to level faster than once every few weeks/month, will consider themselves needing a party lol

[fenris_bane]

.....but any cleric with desires to level faster than once every few weeks/month, will consider themselves needing a party lol

LOL ... I level every week or 2 solo. However; it not about speed for me. Otherwise, I'd be begging for someone to plvl me, joining some grinding party, or sitting afk in a mimic party. lol

I know I got to this level through my own actions ... not riding on other players' coat tails.

[boppa123]

wow every1 settle down.Im a cleric and i agree with all arguments to some extent. Yes i know that we have a CRAP damage output, but outspark have obviously thought of this. Because we have the ability to heal, both us and other people, they thought to make things even between classes, they should take one thing away, and clerics being a support class, it would be the damage we deal. Yes i know that we have to solo a few times and it takes forever to kill a monster but we have both a high hp, sp and endurance, so we wont die, and the ability to heal just adds how many mobs we can tank.We are essentially a support class, and outspark have planned the cleric to be a support class, so we arent necessarily the damage dealers of the party,and we dont need to be. to assist in damage dealing if you wish you can put all stats into bash srt and have a +9 weapon but you will have a realy bad def, hp and sp, thus loosing money from sp and hp stones, or leveling slow because you die and loos a tonne of exp. no matter however you choose to place your stat and skill points, you will sooner or later realise that clerics are a support class, so we dont tank, we support, and outspark have specificly designed the character so we do that, and do the occasional solo. And look on the bright side, in kq's you are never without a party! :)

[sandradds]

How true is it that the Cleric is the only party-dependent class? (apart from tower, CC, etc.)
I mean, if they wanna lvl as quickly as the other classes?


in kq's you are never without a party!
Well I would not say that lol. There have been KQs where 6 ppl join, or 11, or 16. If ur unlucky u'll end up being the one without a party. :D
Ah well but I guess KQs are not the subject of this thread...

[kraehe]

LOL ... I level every week or 2 solo. However; it not about speed for me. Otherwise, I'd be begging for someone to plvl me, joining some grinding party, or sitting afk in a mimic party. lol

I know I got to this level through my own actions ... not riding on other players' coat tails.
May not be speed for you, but tbh, majorly people seem to just want 100 as fast as they can, I don't really know anyone besides me and a few friends of mine, who sit around taking their time with things. x: I actually know a cleric, who got from 90-100 in a week or so and went to play another char to get that one to 100 next lol
And sitting afk at mimics just irks me. I know why they do it, I just don't see any real point to it except being an impatient, spoiled idiot who can't take the time to either live with the cruddy drop rate or go do something else. I ain't even got that quest yet and I find it irritating when the afkers take active people's spots in those parties lol (and most likely I will just find parties to run LN with and KQ and kill random phouches for my lic to slowly get myself to 100 - full guard set please, 2 more pieces ♥)

@sandradds
don't forget the people who are married and refuse to party other people at occasions (lalala~)

haayy I likez to off-topic!?~

[fenris_bane]

We are essentially a support class, and outspark have planned the cleric to be a support class, so we arent necessarily the damage dealers of the party,and we dont need to be.

OutSpark did not design the game ... the just market a modified version of the game.

As for not being the damage dealers ... sometimes we have to be because no one else is available.


May not be speed for you, but tbh, majorly people seem to just want 100 as fast as they can, I don't really know anyone besides me and a few friends of mine, who sit around taking their time with things. x: I actually know a cleric, who got from 90-100 in a week or so and went to play another char to get that one to 100 next lol
And sitting afk at mimics just irks me. I know why they do it, I just don't see any real point to it except being an impatient, spoiled idiot who can't take the time to either live with the cruddy drop rate or go do something else. I ain't even got that quest yet and I find it irritating when the afkers take active people's spots in those parties lol (and most likely I will just find parties to run LN with and KQ and kill random phouches for my lic to slowly get myself to 100 - full guard set please, 2 more pieces ♥)


I agree with the AFK'ers. If you are too lazy/busy to play the game ... why should I basically plvl you. lol

Go kill your own monsters.

Bad drops is one reason I never did the Bright Gold Bat repeat.

Bad drop rate + Elite monster = No thanks ... go get your own hair.