Archers Build -Pow X Agi- Discussion

[batata4ever]

I've didn't see any threads like this one in this area yet... so if u have the time and enjoy discussing... please read and coment :)

I'm leveling to become an archer, and im almost there...but i'm still confused about what stats to put in, so i thought on planing ahead my build, and make this thread

I've read that the POW build for archers, is the most commom among xenepic players.

Reasons: once archers don't get into melee combat, they don't need evasion... so you should focus only on dealing DMG(kinda agree with that, tough i think a little evasion would come in handy some times).

So... once you dont have to waste your stats points into AGI... lets get down to what really matters. *POW POW POW*

Imagine you have 60 stats point... putting them all in POW would get you a nice ATK bonus, with heavy DMG. Altough, it may be a good idea to put some stats into MEN, in order to have some nice criticals every now and them.

So... let's say you get your stats like 45 POW and 15 MEN(meybe?)... it would be nice right? I mean... a good ammount of POW for ATK bonus, and a little bit MEN for critcal.Considering the 45 POW and 15 MEN build... wouldn't it be better if i just putted all into AGI??

With that much AGI, your ATK bonus would be higher than as with 45 POW? About the critical, 15 MEN gives you somenthing like... 6~7 on critical for both normal and skill atks.

With 60 AGI, you'd get about 13 skill critical, way better than 6~7. I have no idea how much ATK you would get with 45 POW, but for 60 AGI you'd get around 45 ATK. If with 60 AGI you'd get somenthing near(even if a little bit less) the ATK with 45 POW a build with full AGI would be a lot better eh? Not to mention that your atk speed will be a lot faster and you'll get also some additional evasion(about 14) and movement speed(maybe? don't think so to be honest).

I think that a full AGI build is way better than POW>MEN build.... your skills are gonna do more crits, and your DMG would be similar to a 45 POW build DMG(not sure), plus you'll get also + evasion + atk speed.

About the full POW build... i have no idea :p
I mean... would the higher ATK bonus of the POW build, make up for the loss of more atk speed, evasion and critical rate from the AGI build?

Obviouly that if the additional ATK bonus from POW build would be somenthing like 50% or more of the total damage(character atk bonus+wepon atk=character dmg) from AGI, it would be the best build.


ex:
45 atk from 60 agi + 50atk from weapon = 95 atk
60 atk from 60 pow + 50atk from weapon = 110 atk
IF, you'd get 60atk bonus from 60 POW, i think that only 16% more total dmg wouldn't make up for all the other bonus atributes you'd loss without any AGI.

but if:
45 atk from 60 agi + 50atk from waepon =95
90 atk from 60 agi + 50atk from weapon = 150
Omg, thats almost 70% more total dmg. I'd totaly stay with the POW build.*BTW, how much atk bonus so you get with 60 POW?*

(i don't have 100% sure about what im talking... 90% maybe?:p and i dont knnow much about POW)

So... what do you guys think? Wich one you think is the best? Or more balanced? Why? :D
I'd be very grateful if some experienced archer that have already stated all the pros of both build would post them here(like the dmg of each, crits, atk speed, and evasion). Well... i gues that knowing just how much atk bonus u get from 60 POW would put an end at my doubts.

edit - Jesus Christ... i've just seen it, it got sooooo big @___@ *sry sry*

[Aakii]

I too am also going to become an Archer.
I think that the best way to go would be full AGI.
You will be allowed to do more Crits with would make up for the low POW.
Your ATK speed would be really high making it faster to kill your foes.
This would allow soloablity... ( New word? )
But I'm not 100% sure.
I'm only a level 21 Neo...
HAHA
But from what you said I think that AGI is the better choice if you think about DPS.

[jmoua9]

just so you know, the atk speed is the rate of attack on your regular attacks (like uh...double click a mob and watch em go). Archers get a skill later which will increase you skill spamming speed (this can also be incresed with men)...just some information i guess...

As for the build, i'd go with full pow, for personal preferences.

[jiten40]

I think i would go for the AGI build since you get much more things than a power build and for power you only get 16% morer attk

[Lorelei-]

POW. If you go Agi, you'll be worse Scout in SoS. You'd do about 0 dmg to anyone pvp, 140 dmg max to a white named mob. Criticals dont really matter. Putting 15 or so in MEN is a waste if you're under lvl 80.

[Aakii]

POW. If you go Agi, you'll be worse Scout in SoS. You'd do about 0 dmg to anyone pvp, 140 dmg max to a white named mob. Criticals dont really matter. Putting 15 or so in MEN is a waste if you're under lvl 80.

Can you prove this?

[batata4ever]

Archers get a skill later which will increase you skill spamming speed (this can also be incresed with men)...just some information i guess...


Didn't know about that, seens very good. :)
But now that you mention it, a build focusing on heavy dmg seens to fit better for skill spamming on later levels.

Anyway, on both site and forum i found very little information on what does exactly every stats do. Can some scout inform how much POW do you have and your atk bonus?
Im not sure how much more atk you get with a full POW build.I want to see if the output dmg form POW, would really makeup for all of the other side benefits from an AGI build.

edit - woot, Aakai basicaly resumed my post into 4 words... nice. xD

[jmoua9]

i'll back cig up on the "critical dont really matter". Critical does like an additional 50 or so dmg only, not worth it imo.

[talonmas]

Agi ups skill crit only. And still you put both that AND incrased attack speed as a pro. But in reality you will be spamming skills, hence, attack speed wont matter. Men on the other hand increase skill attack speed and crit :)

But like lorelai said, men is for later in the game (because of crits working with % so your raw base damage need to be alot higher to reap the benefit).

[batata4ever]

By first i was finding the AGI build ot be far better than POW. But now knowing that MEN also increase skill spamming, im loking more forward a POW build. On latter level atk speed doesn't seem that great... about movement speed, i've got 50 agi and still didn't get even a +1 on mov speed.

Only thing left for me to know is... does the atk bonus form full POW really totally overcome teh atk bonus from AGI plus the crit?

Is not like i don't believe you guys saying that POW build is way better and all, as i said... im starting to think that way too(POW for dmg + MEN for fast skill spamming). But as can some one prove that by showing that "this much POW gives this much atk bonus" and is way better that AGI...?

[Keyloo]

As an archer in CB, I would have to agree with CIG. POW is the way to go with archer more power in pvp, also it is easier to train solo. As for the men part I started to add to ment when I reach 50. Moreeffective that way, cuz u still have lots inpow but some in mentincrease ur skill atk speed. (hence fast when solo lvin)

Keyloo - 3X NEO

[blade2099]

when you reach lvl 45,put pure pow and then put agi when ur lvl 60-65.

[Witlen]

I've didn't see any threads like this one in this area yet... so if u have the time and enjoy discussing... please read and coment :)

I'm leveling to become an archer, and im almost there...but i'm still confused about what stats to put in, so i thought on planing ahead my build, and make this thread

I've read that the POW build for archers, is the most commom among xenepic players.

Reasons: once archers don't get into melee combat, they don't need evasion... so you should focus only on dealing DMG(kinda agree with that, tough i think a little evasion would come in handy some times).

So... once you dont have to waste your stats points into AGI... lets get down to what really matters. *POW POW POW*

Imagine you have 60 stats point... putting them all in POW would get you a nice ATK bonus, with heavy DMG. Altough, it may be a good idea to put some stats into MEN, in order to have some nice criticals every now and them.

So... let's say you get your stats like 45 POW and 15 MEN(meybe?)... it would be nice right? I mean... a good ammount of POW for ATK bonus, and a little bit MEN for critcal.Considering the 45 POW and 15 MEN build... wouldn't it be better if i just putted all into AGI??

With that much AGI, your ATK bonus would be higher than as with 45 POW? About the critical, 15 MEN gives you somenthing like... 6~7 on critical for both normal and skill atks.

With 60 AGI, you'd get about 13 skill critical, way better than 6~7. I have no idea how much ATK you would get with 45 POW, but for 60 AGI you'd get around 45 ATK. If with 60 AGI you'd get somenthing near(even if a little bit less) the ATK with 45 POW a build with full AGI would be a lot better eh? Not to mention that your atk speed will be a lot faster and you'll get also some additional evasion(about 14) and movement speed(maybe? don't think so to be honest).

I think that a full AGI build is way better than POW>MEN build.... your skills are gonna do more crits, and your DMG would be similar to a 45 POW build DMG(not sure), plus you'll get also + evasion + atk speed.

About the full POW build... i have no idea :p
I mean... would the higher ATK bonus of the POW build, make up for the loss of more atk speed, evasion and critical rate from the AGI build?

Obviouly that if the additional ATK bonus from POW build would be somenthing like 50% or more of the total damage(character atk bonus+wepon atk=character dmg) from AGI, it would be the best build.


ex:
45 atk from 60 agi + 50atk from weapon = 95 atk
60 atk from 60 pow + 50atk from weapon = 110 atk
IF, you'd get 60atk bonus from 60 POW, i think that only 16% more total dmg wouldn't make up for all the other bonus atributes you'd loss without any AGI.

but if:
45 atk from 60 agi + 50atk from waepon =95
90 atk from 60 agi + 50atk from weapon = 150
Omg, thats almost 70% more total dmg. I'd totaly stay with the POW build.*BTW, how much atk bonus so you get with 60 POW?*

(i don't have 100% sure about what im talking... 90% maybe?:p and i dont knnow much about POW)

So... what do you guys think? Wich one you think is the best? Or more balanced? Why? :D
I'd be very grateful if some experienced archer that have already stated all the pros of both build would post them here(like the dmg of each, crits, atk speed, and evasion). Well... i gues that knowing just how much atk bonus u get from 60 POW would put an end at my doubts.

edit - Jesus Christ... i've just seen it, it got sooooo big @___@ *sry sry*

let me help clear things up a bit at first i though agi would be the way to go but i was wrong and am glad i went full pow alright take this into consideration 10 pow = 7 atc 10 agi = 6 atk <<< dont take this in to much bec adding 11 pow would make it 8 and 11 agi still 6 now with agi you get some doge atk + speed bonus and som skill crit pow = dmg and weight + men = skill spam and crit now this is the part where agi fails with agi you may atc fast but with men + pow you skill **** fast for me right now a normal atc is like 120 dmg with skill its arount 450-520 < ( on light red mobs) if your pure agi all youll do is normal attcs with 1 skill every like 2-3 or so when you get your men up at higher levels and skill spam it will be faster more damg and a better pvp build

[AzNRuthLess]

POW. If you go Agi, you'll be worse Scout in SoS. You'd do about 0 dmg to anyone pvp, 140 dmg max to a white named mob. Criticals dont really matter. Putting 15 or so in MEN is a waste if you're under lvl 80.

well, not saying that what you said is totally wrong, but, i feel that an agi build would be better than a full pow build from my own personal experience. The reason why i say it, is because i'm an agi build, i got around 30 pow, 21 men, and rest agi (70 atm). I have experience with both builds, since i have switched my build a few times with stat resets. Wat i can say for fact, not opinion is that you get more benifits from being an agi scout/archer than pow scout/archer. As said in the first post, you get more crits, skill crits, atk speed, dodge, movement speed. with pow, only comes more atk, carrying weight. Sure you might do more dmg with full pow, but not much. when i experimented with the two different builds, i can say that full pow will not be doing so much more dmg difference than agi. When i set up a full pow/men like 27 men, and rest pow, i only did about 50-100 more dmg than 30 pow/?? agi/ 21 men. And wat i can say is even with 21 men vs 27 men, i still spammed skills faster with the agi build. maybe the agi helps with spamming skills faster more than wat ppl say. also, with the agi build, i shot faster, i did just about avg of 50 less dmg than pow, and with all the crits, where can you go wrong? Im not lying when i say that i have crit mobs in edine to death. with crits, you get about same or 50 more dmg than full pow, so how can you go wrong with that either?? One more thing id like to add is that one of the skills that we get, spiritual, is a must have for any scout/archer. with full pow, u will pretty much lose spiritual whenever there is aggro mobs, but with an agi build with more dodge speed, you dont lose it as much, because the mobs will miss more when they hit. So all in all, in my personal opinion, an agi buld with a little bit of pow just to carry enough pots, would be best build.

AGI FTW! =)

Oh! BTW, just to let you know, you wouldnt do about 140 dmg to white mobs, nor will u hit anyone 0 in pvp, i do about 600-700+ norm, and 800+ crit, in edine with this build and lvl 1 wind blow, and 1k+ dmg with buff and lvl 3 wind blow! and the white dogs are white to me, and everything else is still pink. XD

edit: after survivor, if u still dont believe that agi build is good, ask foger_stars, pretty sure u guys know who he is, and see wat he says, he and i 1 vs 1. XD

[DanFJD]

No No No No No No No No No..omfg No! Agi Is Not Good Becuz Seeing As How We Use A Skill Spell To Attack..attack Speed Aint Gnna Do Shttt And Also Seeing As Agi Adds A Little On Reg Crit..which We Will Neverr Neeeeed...then Its Also Useless...soooo Mennn Is Way Better Cuz It Makes U Cast Wind Blow Alot Faster And Makes U Get Higher Skill Crits Cuz I Think Men Only Adds To Skill Crit Stat

[JeanPhilipTan]

well, not saying that what you said is totally wrong, but, i feel that an agi build would be better than a full pow build from my own personal experience. The reason why i say it, is because i'm an agi build, i got around 30 pow, 21 men, and rest agi (70 atm). I have experience with both builds, since i have switched my build a few times with stat resets. Wat i can say for fact, not opinion is that you get more benifits from being an agi scout/archer than pow scout/archer. As said in the first post, you get more crits, skill crits, atk speed, dodge, movement speed. with pow, only comes more atk, carrying weight. Sure you might do more dmg with full pow, but not much. when i experimented with the two different builds, i can say that full pow will not be doing so much more dmg difference than agi. When i set up a full pow/men like 27 men, and rest pow, i only did about 50-100 more dmg than 30 pow/?? agi/ 21 men. And wat i can say is even with 21 men vs 27 men, i still spammed skills faster with the agi build. maybe the agi helps with spamming skills faster more than wat ppl say. also, with the agi build, i shot faster, i did just about avg of 50 less dmg than pow, and with all the crits, where can you go wrong? Im not lying when i say that i have crit mobs in edine to death. with crits, you get about same or 50 more dmg than full pow, so how can you go wrong with that either?? One more thing id like to add is that one of the skills that we get, spiritual, is a must have for any scout/archer. with full pow, u will pretty much lose spiritual whenever there is aggro mobs, but with an agi build with more dodge speed, you dont lose it as much, because the mobs will miss more when they hit. So all in all, in my personal opinion, an agi buld with a little bit of pow just to carry enough pots, would be best build.

AGI FTW! =)

Oh! BTW, just to let you know, you wouldnt do about 140 dmg to white mobs, nor will u hit anyone 0 in pvp, i do about 600-700+ norm, and 800+ crit, in edine with this build and lvl 1 wind blow, and 1k+ dmg with buff and lvl 3 wind blow! and the white dogs are white to me, and everything else is still pink. XD

edit: after survivor, if u still dont believe that agi build is good, ask foger_stars, pretty sure u guys know who he is, and see wat he says, he and i 1 vs 1. XD

foger won i heard

[Witlen]

let me help clear things up a bit at first i though agi would be the way to go but i was wrong and am glad i went full pow alright take this into consideration 10 pow = 7 atc 10 agi = 6 atk <<< dont take this in to much bec adding 11 pow would make it 8 and 11 agi still 6 now with agi you get some doge atk + speed bonus and som skill crit pow = dmg and weight + men = skill spam and crit now this is the part where agi fails with agi you may atc fast but with men + pow you skill **** fast for me right now a normal atc is like 120 dmg with skill its arount 450-520 < ( on light red mobs) if your pure agi all youll do is normal attcs with 1 skill every like 2-3 or so when you get your men up at higher levels and skill spam it will be faster more damg and a better pvp build

il second that agi is useless

[AzNRuthLess]

No No No No No No No No No..omfg No! Agi Is Not Good Becuz Seeing As How We Use A Skill Spell To Attack..attack Speed Aint Gnna Do Shttt And Also Seeing As Agi Adds A Little On Reg Crit..which We Will Neverr Neeeeed...then Its Also Useless...soooo Mennn Is Way Better Cuz It Makes U Cast Wind Blow Alot Faster And Makes U Get Higher Skill Crits Cuz I Think Men Only Adds To Skill Crit Stat

its okay i guess, just giving my point of view on things. everyone thinks differently u know. well just giving my thoughts on builds, and agi doesnt only add reg att crits, maybe you should lvl up a bit and experiment for your own purposes. i can only say wat i know and wat i experience. ppl only think that agi adds to reg att speed, oh well, its wat you guys think, i know wat is fact with my character, and with a pow/men build, with 30 men, i spammed slower than i do now with 21 men, and watching that video of 60+ men, vs no men, ill say i still shoot faster than 60+ men so, just saying from my own experiences, u should really just build your character the way you want. you wont know until you try. lata!

oh, and dont use that kind of language with me either, lvl and see for yourself how good agi really is loser. i wanna see you try skill critting a mob in edine to death! believe wat you want, build how u want, thats the only way to really enjoy the game. peace!

of course foger would win jean, he was 6 lvls higher than i was. XD still a good match tho.

[gaivrn]

its okay i guess, just giving my point of view on things. everyone thinks differently u know. well just giving my thoughts on builds, and agi doesnt only add reg att crits, maybe you should lvl up a bit and experiment for your own purposes. i can only say wat i know and wat i experience. ppl only think that agi adds to reg att speed, oh well, its wat you guys think, i know wat is fact with my character, and with a pow/men build, with 30 men, i spammed slower than i do now with 21 men, and watching that video of 60+ men, vs no men, ill say i still shoot faster than 60+ men so, just saying from my own experiences, u should really just build your character the way you want. you wont know until you try. lata!

oh, and dont use that kind of language with me either, lvl and see for yourself how good agi really is loser. i wanna see you try skill critting a mob in edine to death! believe wat you want, build how u want, thats the only way to really enjoy the game. peace!

of course foger would win jean, he was 6 lvls higher than i was. XD still a good match tho.

I believe he's trying to say you didn't fully test and get accurate results yet. You might have prove Agi is better for now. However from what i gathered Pow is more of a long term benefit. with skills, understanding that at higher lvls you will be "spamming" skills in most cases.

[Witlen]

I believe he's trying to say you didn't fully test and get accurate results yet. You might have prove Agi is better for now. However from what i gathered Pow is more of a long term benefit. with skills, understanding that at higher lvls you will be "spamming" skills in most cases.

yup it is though your pure "agi" benifits you now it wont later and a 6 level dif isnt that big at all ive pvped scouts 6 levels higher then me and won dont make excuses for a loss muhahahaha pow wins :D

[AzNRuthLess]

yup it is though your pure "agi" benifits you now it wont later and a 6 level dif isnt that big at all ive pvped scouts 6 levels higher then me and won dont make excuses for a loss muhahahaha pow wins :D

lol, no one was making an excuse for a loss. i loss fair and square, wasnt making any excuses, so dont try to put words in my mouth that i didnt say. XD. all i know is that pow didnt benefit me as much as agi, just saying from wat i know and experimented with. This isnt a thread where im trying to convince you guys to go agi, im just giving my thoughts. if u like pow, go ahead! no is stopping you. i like agi, but not saying its better than pow, im just listing wat i have experimented with and have resulted with my own character. other ppl might be different who knows, its not like im trying make everyone on here go agi, or say that pow is useless compared to agi. thats pointless if everyone was the same in the game. if you actually read my thread that i first post, i put up, "my personal opinion." NOT FACT BRO, OPINION.

oh, and just to clarify something. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF AGI DOESNT BENEFIT ME LATER? HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF POW IS GOING TO BENEFIT LATER? WAT IF THEY BOTH DONT, WAT IF THEY BOTH DO? No one really knows. Everyone has their own taste. everyone should build in their own way. so have fun. latas

[Nixxy]

Im pretty sure AGI increases skill speed, just to a much lesser extent then MEN.

I dont know if its true but apparently 25 AGI gives around the same increase as you would get with 10 MEN.

This is what ive heard\been told so im not saying its 100% fact.

Im Pow\Men though and i like it that way. No idea if i'll add any AGI at a later point.

[DBL_RE]

I agree with a pow build.My archer lvl 56 is mostly pow with 11 in men and a few in wisdom.Wisdom is good if you want to increase your mp amount,that way you dont have to stop so much healing.Now I have the horror mask and cowboy outfit and a bow that is +3 with 6 aps and am hitting around low 600 which are not crit. hits.I rather kill a creature in four hits instead of seven,saves on mp and not to mention time wasted.

[joshiasi]

i think agi does improve skill spamming but not as much as men... i am a pow/men build like other scouts atm but will most likely add agi in the future... still working on my 40 men..... once that is done... ill go for agi

[a-spec.evo]

Archers please save urself the stress..ive tried agi pow and men build..fast casting and lots of critics..but den i tested a pow/men build and its @ fast and hits as much critic as my old build..for some that dont realize 2 agi = 3 pow so going agi doesnt mean ull hit low or ull 0 on mobs..but going pow is good cuz it gives u weight..if u ask me I recommend 40 men and rest all pow..going full pow sucks..ur casting would be so slow!..trust me 40 men rest all pow if u dont like that build den archer might not b the class for u..well juss tought i stopp by and tell u my lil knowledge

[gameranch]

Archers please save urself the stress..ive tried agi pow and men build..fast casting and lots of critics..but den i tested a pow/men build and its @ fast and hits as much critic as my old build..for some that dont realize 2 agi = 3 pow so going agi doesnt mean ull hit low or ull 0 on mobs..but going pow is good cuz it gives u weight..if u ask me I recommend 40 men and rest all pow..going full pow sucks..ur casting would be so slow!..trust me 40 men rest all pow if u dont like that build den archer might not b the class for u..well juss tought i stopp by and tell u my lil knowledge

oh thanks! at least 40 men then pure pow, i hear you.

[Convent]

I dunno what's going on. o.o I started with my stats at 8 men, 16 agi, and rest pow when I turned scout and since then I think all the 3 stats have raised proportionally to eachother...except pow, it's gotten a ton bigger.

I don't cast as fast as other players, I don't hit as hard as other players, and I don't critical nearly as much as other players, but I'm balanced, and that's what's good for me. I'd seen the effects of skill casting speed with agi and men, and the attack from pow/agi is also really obvious, so I'm making decisions based off that, and I think everyone else should too.

Remember we're all still in Beta trying out this stuff. ^^ Whether we're right or wrong doesn't give us some edge over someone else cuz we're all trying this out together. We're all hoping that the 1 point in one stat instead of another changes the entire outcome of the game 40 lvls later for the better.

[faintscreams]

ROFL. :eek:

[AmrothRumil]

hmm....Has anyone here ever tried POW/AGI? DMG/ATK SPD/ATK/CRIT RATE/CRIT POW/DEX what i read all through these post is all POW/MEN or AGI/MEN why not POW/AGI wouldn't that be best? cuz with the DMG/ATK SPD/ATK/CRIT RATE/CRIT POW/DEX you can solo longer w/o using so much mp and wouldn't you do more dmg anywayz in pvp? if using POW/AGI?

[AmrothRumil]

I haven't played yet or even download the game, but these is what i just read through all the Facts/Oponions you guys posted btw and just thoughts i thought of

[oulytisa]

hmm i kinda dont get it pure agi?