Valhalla, an ACTUAL cheating guild during a "GUILD WAR"

[junglist420420]

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Ok, this is a MASSIVE post on the guild Valhalla warring us, Xenosaga OUTSIDE of town..then KLILLING our entire party OUTSIDE of town..SEVERAL times..as well as them SHROOM and SPAWN KILLING inside AND outside of town...anyone else can prove my screenshots otherwise id love to see it, and for those who are gunna stick up for Rogun and Valhalla..go ahead and try you can say all you want and hate us all you want, but this is straight up evidence of them breaking EVERY rule that EVERY GM INCLUDING GM[Steam] has told us..at least about guild wars..

he had NO right to do what he did..and i want IMMIDIATE and FULL consquences against this ENTIRE guild or there was NO POINT in EVERY GM telling us not to do this kind of stuff..you all want evidence against a "cheating guild" during a guild war??..well HERE IT IS..have fun Valhalla

and if you look CLOSELY at some of that chat, Rogun is actually threatening us ..and saying he will get Argard and other guild to have "fun" killing us as well...what exactly did we do to you Rogun? im so confused about why a person can hate another person for absolutely no reason..or a few words said over the internet? get over it and GROW UP..and if you want the screen shots to continue..i have 50 more of them and my guild mates also have about 20 each...

-Cyantifix, leader and PROUD owner of Xenosaga

P.S. Rogun, i have you killing me//us in a house and outside of town so many times i really hope u dont even try to defend yourself cuz u got nothing on this one sorry bud..

P.P.S. i cant even COUNT the number of times we were shroom, spawned or killed outside of town, and if you want even more proof my guild mates would be HAPPY to add screenies of you killing them the same way you killed me xD

[junglist420420]

sry couldnt add anymore onto that...the screenshots given here are out of order..but im sure you can all figure it out :) ..and if you cant..they start at the bottom and work their way up in accordance with each other..at least most em do :p

-Cyan

[voron]

Yes. I was there, they had multiple players kill our members OUTSIDE of elderine. I was spawn killed twice and shroom killed once. I was killed outside of elderine while trying to train 3 times. One of the times I was shroom killed in Moonlight tomb DOUBLE WHAMMY!

[A.N.I.K]

I hope they get banned for this..... And this's just to show that they followed us all the way from CP to MT and killed us there all over again!!!http://www.deviantart.com/download/72732533/screenshot047_by_UniqueMASTERMIND.jpg

[SmokingBear]

apparently we are not the only ones complaining here. Ive seen several posts about this guild in general :(
why cant we all just have fun this is a game
i mean really to fighting with honor is the best way
but these guys.........out of nowhere jeeez
i don't like dieing in bed do u
give me break
I'm just trying to grind man
or aleast i was:mad:
thing is i didn't even fight back:confused:
WHY :eek:

[Transcendence]

Okay, I am Waltimore [[featured in some of the images]], and I would personally like to add to this that Guild Wars are suppose to be a fun and enjoyable experience on both sides. When it started, I was trying to get out of town so that I could take a shower, and mabye catch some of the carnage when I got back. I was not only attacked by 4 people at once, but then cursed at by Rogun, and several members of his guild.

I don't feel that these pictures, in their explicit nature, even accuratly depict how unmoral Valhalla was in this guildwar. Shroom killing, spawn killing, as well as trying to taunt us out of our mushrooms so that they could gang up on us were just some of the under-handed tactics they used to 'win' this guild war. I'm personally disgusted by Valhalla and most of its members, and hope that it won't go unpunished.

Resignedly,
Waltimore.

[Gamerchik93]

wow thats just stupid...i'm in Xenosaga as well and i logged on after the war ended and heard what happened...it shouldn't be allowed to attack people outside of town its just wrong that when your grinding someone comes up and attacks you and then threatens you and shroom kills and stuff its just wrong and this guild should defently be banned and the only person to blame for that is rogun.

[king2187]

my characters name is krest and as you can see in the 8th pic i was the 1 dead from being shroom killed by rogun and we have way more pic of him doing we told him we didnt wanna war right now so he atked us in the field its thats not proof i dont know what is then

[schpeedie]

This was definently un-called for. Someone who is just out looking to grind and level up during the holidays should never have to put up with someone else with a grudge non-stop killing you. To spawn kill people in Elderine as they respawn is just not fun. Nor, does it show any skill through the war.

I hope Vahlalla recieves full consequences.

[Liala]

If they give you any more trouble contact me.

IGN: Maiya

[Lostchild346]

how is this cheating? its how every pvping i have ever done was done like that while someone was xping but i am not in a guild and dont know the rules for it i am just curios in case i have do join a guild

[Mrgun101]

el ol el. Hi im Grommi in Valhalla

First of all Rogun asked you to stop being a **** to your owm member cyan and all you said was Rogun go war a lvl 30 guild you noob. then you keep on cussing and threatning Rogun.

Well Rogun 1st of all is very proud of his guild and does not like for it to be made fun of. Rogun is a nice guy all he said was you shouldnt be a lil fagit to your own member. Rogun does have a temper when his guild his made fun of you just crossed the line.

I remember you doing the same thing to another guild called Cutting Edge i belive. you even killed their party in vt then kill spawned in elder.

But just to let you know Cyan that shroom killing is not agaisnt the rules. ALSO WHEN U HIT SOMEONE RUN THEN SHROOM. then say "OMFG SHROOM KILL" dumb fck dont attack and do that.

Now just please dont make fun of our guild or it will happen again. simple.

[junglist420420]

el ol el. Hi im Grommi in Valhalla

First of all Rogun asked you to stop being a **** to your owm member cyan and all you said was Rogun go war a lvl 30 guild you noob. then you keep on cussing and threatning Rogun.

Well Rogun 1st of all is very proud of his guild and does not like for it to be made fun of. Rogun is a nice guy all he said was you shouldnt be a lil fagit to your own member. Rogun does have a temper when his guild his made fun of you just crossed the line.

I remember you doing the same thing to another guild called Cutting Edge i belive. you even killed their party in vt then kill spawned in elder.

But just to let you know Cyan that shroom killing is not agaisnt the rules. ALSO WHEN U HIT SOMEONE RUN THEN SHROOM. then say "OMFG SHROOM KILL" dumb fck dont attack and do that.

Now just please dont make fun of our guild or it will happen again. simple.

woah woah woah swearing on the forums? im SURE thats against the rules..let alone everything else shown in these screenies, and if you have "evidence" of that "thing" that happened with Cutting_edge id love to see it..but im sure calling me a ..quote "fagit" ..and wtvr the ***** was i dont even know..and you said "fck" again at the bottom of your quote..and threatening us EVEN more then you already did is..im sure another huge violation of the rules of the this game..

-Cyan

[FailCaykes]

Alright first of all, Cyan decides to be mean to one of his members infront of rogun, rogun asks him to stop and then cyan starts being a (4 letter word beggining with D here) towards rogun and says "Go war a lvl 30 guild noob" ...so he did, we warred them
Oh and as for shroom killing? I dont see how attacking me, then running back and going into shroom mode is fair, so yes, i shroom killed a few of there players for this. what else asm i suppose to do? stand there and let him take my HP down slowly, while he shoots then shrooms?

Cyan, you asked for this, you got it, and when you got owned you start crying so i suggest you.

A. Stop being a little girl and grow up
B. Wipe away those tears.
C. dont come crying on the forums everytime you get owned for being a (Again 4 letter word beggining with D) Towards someone and their guild.

learn some respect for other people and this may not happen :)

Peace.

Matt.

[Michaelus1]

Im not pointing anything out relating to religion, but god has given everyone a brain, but they never use it XD.

The only rules for Guild Wars is only for declaring wars. If you declare war on a guild to prevent them from training, it's against the rules. If you declare war to prevent a guild from going to areas like Roumen and Elderine, that's as well against the rules. Plus, guild wars are meant to be FUN!!!!!!

Anything not stated in the rules like shroom killing and killing outside of major cities like Elderine is NOT against the rules. If you do not want to allow shroom killing, teaming, ect, both challenging guilds must discuss with each other. Do not try to make rules during guild war. See I use my brain. Don't believe what I said? Ask Steam yourself, he even said it on the notice.

[voron]

el ol el. Hi im Grommi in Valhalla

First of all Rogun asked you to stop being a **** to your owm member cyan and all you said was Rogun go war a lvl 30 guild you noob. then you keep on cussing and threatning Rogun.

Well Rogun 1st of all is very proud of his guild and does not like for it to be made fun of. Rogun is a nice guy all he said was you shouldnt be a lil fagit to your own member. Rogun does have a temper when his guild his made fun of you just crossed the line.

I remember you doing the same thing to another guild called Cutting Edge i belive. you even killed their party in vt then kill spawned in elder.

But just to let you know Cyan that shroom killing is not agaisnt the rules. ALSO WHEN U HIT SOMEONE RUN THEN SHROOM. then say "OMFG SHROOM KILL" dumb fck dont attack and do that.

Now just please dont make fun of our guild or it will happen again. simple.

You have no evidence therefore no room to talk. If Rogun is such a nice guy, he should have dealt with the problem in a better manner, not by calling us 'faggots'.

Even IF he said all that and a war started that's ok. The bottum line is that you guys broke the rules. Going to war can sometimes be a very fun thing to do, and I am proud to have the privilage to do it. But when it's a war were everyone is breaking rules and it just turns into an arguement it's not fun anymore. It's the fact that you guys kept on killing us while we were training or in shrooms that really made us mad.

[junglist420420]

Im not pointing anything out relating to religion, but god has given everyone a brain, but they never use it XD.

The only rules for Guild Wars is only for declaring wars. If you declare war on a guild to prevent them from training, it's against the rules. If you declare war to prevent a guild from going to areas like Roumen and Elderine, that's as well against the rules. Plus, guild wars are meant to be FUN!!!!!!

Anything not stated in the rules like shroom killing and killing outside of major cities like Elderine is NOT against the rules. If you do not want to allow shroom killing, teaming, ect, both challenging guilds must discuss with each other. Do not try to make rules during guild war. See I use my brain. Don't believe what I said? Ask Steam yourself, he even said it on the notice.

ok so explain why he started the war in CP while we were training..then followed us to Eld..didnt allow us to or from eld in any way..and when we tried to leave eld through MT he followed us and killed us ALL outside of town...and if it wasnt clear enough in the SS..well i dont know what else to say to this quote..its stupid..and i truly don't think you were using your brain while typing this, thanks.

-Cyan

[junglist420420]

Alright first of all, Cyan decides to be mean to one of his members infront of rogun, rogun asks him to stop and then cyan starts being a (4 letter word beggining with D here) towards rogun and says "Go war a lvl 30 guild noob" ...so he did, we warred them
Oh and as for shroom killing? I dont see how attacking me, then running back and going into shroom mode is fair, so yes, i shroom killed a few of there players for this. what else asm i suppose to do? stand there and let him take my HP down slowly, while he shoots then shrooms?

Cyan, you asked for this, you got it, and when you got owned you start crying so i suggest you.

A. Stop being a little girl and grow up
B. Wipe away those tears.
C. dont come crying on the forums everytime you get owned for being a (Again 4 letter word beggining with D) Towards someone and their guild.

learn some respect for other people and this may not happen :)

Peace.

Matt.

and your tellin me to learn respect? look at the post by your guild-mate Grommi..i dont think she swore enough do you?

-Cyan

[Transcendence]

I WOULD ask [GM]Steam if he was ever on...

One more thing. It's not against the rules to kill someone who goes and hides in their shroom after attacking you. It is, on the other hand, against the rules to blantantly kill a person when he's just sitting there away from their keyboard.

Not all the members were breaking the rules in Valhalla. Flailcakes, you were a distinct exception in the whole ordeal, but it doesn't make up for your leader's misunderstanding.

I suggest if Rogun ever has a temper like this again to:

A: Use more toilet paper before flushing.
B: Get out of the house and breath some fresh air.
C: [[This is purely stipulation]] Breath and count to 10.

Because we at Xenosaga don't want, or need any help defending ourselves in a guild we enjoy. Please do well to understand this, because we already do. We actually play to enjoy the game.

[Action2]

el ol el. Hi im Grommi in Valhalla

First of all Rogun asked you to stop being a **** to your owm member cyan and all you said was Rogun go war a lvl 30 guild you noob. then you keep on cussing and threatning Rogun.

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Hmmmm.... if Cyan says stuff like cussing to his members its only a joke, and we dont take it seriously!!! Come on!!, no one in this world doesnt know how to swear!!!! We are not whinning just stating the facts w/ evidence so buddy U SHOULD GROW UP!!!!!

iTS CHRISTMAS TIME AND ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE ON THE BREAK FROM SCHOOL AND THEY'RE TRYING TO LVL AS FAST AS THEY CAN.

[Althia9]

Okay, I am Waltimore [[featured in some of the images]], and I would personally like to add to this that Guild Wars are suppose to be a fun and enjoyable experience on both sides. When it started, I was trying to get out of town so that I could take a shower, and mabye catch some of the carnage when I got back. I was not only attacked by 4 people at once, but then cursed at by Rogun, and several members of his guild.

I don't feel that these pictures, in their explicit nature, even accuratly depict how unmoral Valhalla was in this guildwar. Shroom killing, spawn killing, as well as trying to taunt us out of our mushrooms so that they could gang up on us were just some of the under-handed tactics they used to 'win' this guild war. I'm personally disgusted by Valhalla and most of its members, and hope that it won't go unpunished.

Resignedly,
Waltimore.

I was wondering where you disappeared to... and what guild you entered into.

I spot a Matthew!

Edit: I'm not siding with anyone. Just... I've seen Vanhalla doing this kinda thing before.

[linkofhyrule7]

apparently no one looks at other guilds.
I HAVE GOTTEN MULTIMANNED BILLIONS OF TIMES!
AND DO U SEE ME WHINING?!
suck it up u big baby.

[voron]

apparently no one looks at other guilds.
I HAVE GOTTEN MULTIMANNED BILLIONS OF TIMES!
AND DO U SEE ME WHINING?!
suck it up u big baby.

Being gang banged isn't even a part of this topic...

[MineralAccident]

To Rogun: Don't drop Asgard's name like you have the power to make us war people for you. You don't, and we won't.

I hope these guilds are dealt with, since it seems to be pretty blatant harassment using the guild war feature.

[Esoterra]

I've seen quite a few complaints about Valhalla on the forums myself, and these pictures are quite literally the most evidential you can get. Really, Rogun is a jerk, but I wasn't expecting rule-breaking on this level. Warring someone outside of town is against the rules, no matter what reasons. As well, spawn killing is in poor taste, as Steam once said.

I do not like fighting other people, and I will not participate n a Guild War, but I can say they are quite fun to watch. That's how it should be kept: fun. It's quite dispicable to see a war starting in the field. Oh, I should note Rogun stating he'd bring in another clan to war them "just for fun." You meant just for harassment, right? Honestly, I don't think it's the guild Valhalla that is the problem: it's Rogun. He should in the least be given a warning, if not banned.

[Rogil]

Lol..

All i asked from this guy Cyan was to stop being rude to his own guild MEMBER. yet hes leader... funny. nice leadership? anyways after i said this he decided to start cussing and tell me to go find some lvl 30 guild to pick on. All i asked from this kid was to stop being rude to his own member. the cleric was tryin his best but w/e. Cyan took it too far with his words so i warred him. i dont need to ss everything i say to some idiot. it was 8 vs 1(being me) when the war started anyways. i dont see why they would just kill me... anyways after i killed all of them and went to elder.(yes i was pretty ticked after hearing bad things about my guild) i would just kill cyan for he was the one that started it. then his members decide to hit us then shroom then take ss of his hitting back. wow cool eh? so i guess thats why you see shroom kill. nice way to defend your guild and look like more of a wuss. pretty sorry leader, although i told my guild to stop after 10 minutes because i had to get a haircut. just 10 mins lol.. of getting hit then them shrroming right there haha.

I do not war for no reason there is always a reason

I dont care if you call me a jerk, but im just defending my own guild. When you get a guild run it how you want. but in Valhalla if anyone is made fun of or messed with we will try our hardest to get the person/guild back.

-Rogun

[J3ff4ya]

Agreed, the features the Devs allow are meant to be use for fun. Not to harass people, that's what makes features disappear. I hope this Rogun guy or w/e will quit it. If you ever are in trouble again, or anyone in trouble from this guy, or anyone from Valhalla, let me know, Revenon will come help. Trust me, we got a lvl 150 :].

[Cease]

i am speaking for me (krail) and Resxct as one.

***?!!

-the tormented Krail

ps. i won't be on on fiesta for a few days. Drivers just got fried. sorry Cyan ^^; grats on the lvls

-gets shot-

[ERVINSKATE]

i also hate this guild. it war my guild when i already had two guild wars. after they spawn killed us and team up every one of my players with 3 characters they said they didnt war us. and we should war them if we dont wanna lose. and i didnt war them assholes!

[linkofhyrule7]

hey dont pick on valhalla.
they arent the only ones breaking these so-called "rules."
second of all, if you cant take the heat, get off fiesta.
im sick and tired of hearing complaints about valhalla.
now i know that some ppl have a personal vendetta against kent,
but thats no reason to fly off the handle.
ur just sad u got beat by valhalla.

[J3ff4ya]

Link, your sig lies. You value rule of law? Then why do you justify breaking the rules when it comes to a friend? He broke the rules, and doesn't care, which he should, also harassment.

[linkofhyrule7]

Lol..

All i asked from this guy Cyan was to stop being rude to his own guild MEMBER. yet hes leader... funny. nice leadership? anyways after i said this he decided to start cussing and tell me to go find some lvl 30 guild to pick on. All i asked from this kid was to stop being rude to his own member. the cleric was tryin his best but w/e. Cyan took it too far with his words so i warred him. i dont need to ss everything i say to some idiot. it was 8 vs 1(being me) when the war started anyways. i dont see why they would just kill me... anyways after i killed all of them and went to elder.(yes i was pretty ticked after hearing bad things about my guild) i would just kill cyan for he was the one that started it. then his members decide to hit us then shroom then take ss of his hitting back. wow cool eh? so i guess thats why you see shroom kill. nice way to defend your guild and look like more of a wuss. pretty sorry leader, although i told my guild to stop after 10 minutes because i had to get a haircut. just 10 mins lol.. of getting hit then them shrroming right there haha.

I do not war for no reason there is always a reason

I dont care if you call me a jerk, but im just defending my own guild. When you get a guild run it how you want. but in Valhalla if anyone is made fun of or messed with we will try our hardest to get the person/guild back.

-Rogun

im gonna have to side with ro on this one.
i've never seen him tell things wrong.

[schpeedie]

Hi I am Shakit part of the Xenosaga guild.

I was not there when the spawn killing and shroom killing took place. From what I know Cyantifix is a great leader.

NO OTHER CHEATING GUILD LEADER CAN EVEN THINK TO JUDGE HIM.

Then you tell him he whines, when he is just out leveling? (with his guild) Even if he is rude we all know whether to take it as a joke or not. Since you cannot see our guild chat, and all you can see is what appears in all talk, you can say nothing about how Cyan talks to this guild. The facts are:

1) YOU attacked our guild outside of town
2) YOU attacked our guild while they were out grinding
3) YOU repeatedly spawn killed us
4) YOU repeatedly shroom killed us

And then you claim your "ownage".
PLLLLEAAASEEE. Keep dreaming ^^

[Gade101]

Iam Resxct from the Xenosaga guild and, I find that guild war outside town is kinda unfair you could atleast tell us to fight at elderine

[schpeedie]

while were at it.... I have definently seen more screenshots and from what I can tell. Rogun you are full of it. Yes of course it was 8vs1 ^^.... But you declared war? under those circumstances?... uh huh

Rogun you like to extend the truth a little too far.

[Gade101]

From what I see from Cyan's screen shot it says (bottom one) ' Valhalla guild has declared war against us' in this case 'us' is Xenosaga and yet you killed us from outside of town

[Rockster]

Lol..Rogun. Why would you even care what someone from another guild says to his OWN member? It's none of your business. And as far as shrooming killing Cyan is concerned, that's just sad.

[Gade101]

But I guess I missed something what started the war in the first place?

[voron]

But I guess I missed something what started the war in the first place?

They declared war on xenosaga

1) then shroom killed.
2) Killed outside of town
3) Killed us while trying to grind
4) Killed us in shroom outside of town

[Esoterra]

No, link, you are being biased and ignorant. We can all clearly see That Valhalla waged the war, it was outside of town, and in the other screenies we see Xenosaga members being harassed in CP, Elderine, AND MT. It is NOT Rogun's business if someone from Xenosaga flamed another Xenosaga member. Instead, he could have simply taken screenies of the harassment by Xenosaga's own members, posted it on the forums, and be done with it. In fact, I highly doubt that was the reason he started it in the first place. He was being a bully, and put his guild in jeopardy with something as trivial as that. Yes, he's a jerk, which so much I don't mind, but a rule-breaker, a cheater.

Also, it does not matter if it's 8 to 1. The point was you warred them when they were grinding and leveling, and that is TOTALLY against the rules. You also lack any ettiquette, and in the least, should never be allowed to GW again.

[junglist420420]

Hello once again..i've read through all your posts and comments..and i must thank most of you..and Rogun..me dealing with my members is none of YOUR business..i don't tell you how to run your guild..never have and never will. yet you felt it was necessary to start something out in the middle of a spawn..and i had never ONCE said anything to you UNTIL you felt like commenting on what i had said to ONE OF MY OWN PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!! ive NEVER said anything about YOU..or ANY of your members..until this post obviously..so anyone who said i was "making fun of your guild"..uhmm..you're all way off..ye i said some things to Rogun..but he should learn to mind his own business and deal with his guild..not mine..and i only started to talk to Rogun AFTER he had started tellin me how to run my guild..

you can think and say all you want "defenders" of Valhalla..but until i see some proof that "I" invoked this war..well..enough said.

-Cyantifix

[vafan]

I'm sorry, but the title along with the trashtalk seems to me you're taking cheapshots at Valhalla. It's so easy to spread propaganda, especially to a bunch of kids. Then again, I could be wrong.

Just saying this isn't the best way to solve this, you may just have earnen yourself an obviously superior enemy. Think before you act, show respect and you will get some in return.

[junglist420420]

I'm sorry, but the title along with the trashtalk seems to me you're taking cheapshots at Valhalla. It's so easy to spread propaganda, especially to a bunch of kids. Then again, I could be wrong.

Just saying this isn't the best way to solve this, you may just have earnen yourself an obviously superior enemy. Think before you act, show respect and you will get some in return.

i give full respect to everybody..until they dont give any to me...if Rogun didn't like the way i was handling my guild he could have approached this situation differently..instead of Warring us in the middle of a spawn (you obviously didnt look at ANY of my screenies) and telling me how to run my guild...and im sorry but it seems like this is the ONLY way to solve this because nobody will listen any other way...and i love your spelling and grammar..."you may just have earnen yourself an obviously superior enemy"...if Rogun wants to talk with me personally he can message me in-game anytime he wants..im usually a very reasonable person..and like you said..maybe if i received some respect i would have shown some xD

-Cyantifix

[vafan]

i give full respect to everybody..until they dont give any to me...if Rogun didn't like the way i was handling my guild he could have approached this situation differently..instead of Warring us in the middle of a spawn (you obviously didnt look at ANY of my screenies) and telling me how to run my guild...and im sorry but it seems like this is the ONLY way to solve this because nobody will listen any other way...and i love your spelling and grammar..."you may just have earnen yourself an obviously superior enemy"...if Rogun wants to talk with me personally he can message me in-game anytime he wants..im usually a very reasonable person..and like you said..maybe if i received some respect i would have shown some xD

-Cyantifix

Are you stupid? This whole thing began by you mistreating your own members. How is that respect? Yes, I looked at the screenies. I have a hard time feeling sorry for you, seeing as your guild has been doing some not so respective things before.

Also, don't try to sound smart by correcting an obvious missclick, instead learn to use proper punctation and capitalitation.

[vafan]

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-Cyantifix

Further proving my point, you are probably underdeveloped kid. Bad things are fine aslong as it's you doing them, not anyone else. Every post you submit makes you a lesser boy in my oppinion.

You claim to show respect to everyone? I hope you were joking. If not, I suggest you buy a dictionairy.

[junglist420420]

Further proving my point, you are probably underdeveloped kid. Bad things are fine aslong as it's you doing them, not anyone else. Every post you submit makes you a lesser boy in my oppinion.

You claim to show respect to everyone? I hope you were joking. If not, I suggest you buy a dictionairy.

your right..but like i said (and if u had read it) i show respect to those who show it to me..and right now your obviously showing me none by calling me "kid"..and telling me to get a dictionary..and btw who are you? just someone who wants to start something? last post by me on your comments..thanks for the laugh

-Cyantifix

[vafan]

blah blah blah

-Cyantifix

I hope you realize no one, a GM for the least, will listen to you when all you do is flamebait and spam. If anyone deserves a ban, it's you. Now go to bed.

[Rogil]

i give full respect to everybody..until they dont give any to me...if Rogun didn't like the way i was handling my guild he could have approached this situation differently..instead of Warring us in the middle of a spawn (you obviously didnt look at ANY of my screenies) and telling me how to run my guild...and im sorry but it seems like this is the ONLY way to solve this because nobody will listen any other way...and i love your spelling and grammar..."you may just have earnen yourself an obviously superior enemy"...if Rogun wants to talk with me personally he can message me in-game anytime he wants..im usually a very reasonable person..and like you said..maybe if i received some respect i would have shown some xD

-Cyantifix

you idiot.. i said stop mistreating your own guild members. i did not do it in a way to start a war. you just came back at me and made fun of my guild and me. thats when you go too far. the whole go fck your mom was not needed. im sorry that a stupid kid like you needs to make it seem like I was in the bad. i dont ss everything. it was between 2 guilds actually your guild and me. We stopped fighting you after 5 minutes since it got boring and we were done. nothing to be done. war is after all pointless.

[Rogil]

No, link, you are being biased and ignorant. We can all clearly see That Valhalla waged the war, it was outside of town, and in the other screenies we see Xenosaga members being harassed in CP, Elderine, AND MT. It is NOT Rogun's business if someone from Xenosaga flamed another Xenosaga member. Instead, he could have simply taken screenies of the harassment by Xenosaga's own members, posted it on the forums, and be done with it. In fact, I highly doubt that was the reason he started it in the first place. He was being a bully, and put his guild in jeopardy with something as trivial as that. Yes, he's a jerk, which so much I don't mind, but a rule-breaker, a cheater.

Also, it does not matter if it's 8 to 1. The point was you warred them when they were grinding and leveling, and that is TOTALLY against the rules. You also lack any ettiquette, and in the least, should never be allowed to GW again.

coming from a lvl 30. anyways far as i can see only people defending you is your own guild. plus im not a ******* taking ss of everything.whatever happens in a war is just a war you will live. change the fiesta rules to option of accepting wars then. also if they didnt want to war they could have left elder. my only prob with that guild was cyan point being i only killed him till i got poked then the xenosaga member shroomed after to get a ss. how lame.

[voron]

you idiot.. i said stop mistreating your own guild members. i did not do it in a way to start a war. you just came back at me and made fun of my guild and me. thats when you go too far. the whole go fck your mom was not needed. im sorry that a stupid kid like you needs to make it seem like I was in the bad. i dont ss everything. it was between 2 guilds actually your guild and me. We stopped fighting you after 5 minutes since it got boring and we were done. nothing to be done. war is after all pointless.

even if he was mistreating its none of your business . This topic is mostly about how you guys won a guild war in a cheating manner. now i am going to continue shopping at sony

[junglist420420]

you idiot.. i said stop mistreating your own guild members. i did not do it in a way to start a war. you just came back at me and made fun of my guild and me. thats when you go too far. the whole go fck your mom was not needed. im sorry that a stupid kid like you needs to make it seem like I was in the bad. i dont ss everything. it was between 2 guilds actually your guild and me. We stopped fighting you after 5 minutes since it got boring and we were done. nothing to be done. war is after all pointless.

>.> when did i say..and i quote.."go fck your mom"...sigh..i agree that war is pointless..but i definately didn't say anything like that Rogun.....and im done posting on here..cant argue with people over the internet, it leads nowhere..rumors and stories..this and that..im done with it...the GMs can decide whether or not you were in the wrong or i was..if they decide to go through this thread.

-Cyantifix

-drumnbass4life-

[MissusDolly]

Really this post seems to have gotten awfully long. Can't this be taken to private message and really if it can't be decided then to the forums. I have never seen these so called rules of warring a guild, so I suppose I may be uninformed. Really though why can't all play fairly. There really should be a set of guidelines before any war happens. A prompt screen should come up first, guild wars are too unorganized at the moment. Anyways really if there was a problem, I'm sure the masters of the guild could deal with it a adultly manner and talk it through.
Also, two guilds should create a basis of rules before fighting, then petty little things like this wouldn't occur. Please take this as nothing offensive towards any of you. Mostly voicing my opinion towards all things such as this that occur.
-Dolly

[schpeedie]

Well as I can see it... there still is only one person still insulting people(well 2 now an unknown too afraid to introduce himself/herself)

Rogun all you do is repeatedly insult people. Get a Life please...
Your logic makes no sense.... you just had a bad day of testosterone leakage... you just felt you were stronger and wanted to kill Cyan and all his guild.

BTW, you killed more than cyan did you not? and you are mad at him for mistreating his guild!

You mistreated our guild more than anyone has before. You are pathetic.. for thinking you are RIGHT. IT CRACKS ME UP. Soooo your point is?

You are defending our guild by killing us? and spawn killing us?
PLEASE, quit trying to defend your actions.
You are 100% wrong. And Goodbye

Shakit 40 mage

[MutantX]

Hmm..

I'm sorry to say I don't have time to read all 6 pages.. Only read a few pages but not all.

Xenosaga is not a good and honor guild after all.Remember when you guys we're killing us at VT when Cutting_Edge tried to grind there??

Also,why in the name of beloved Isya would you curse your own guild?!?!

[jzcs07]

i think the only way to settle this once and for all is to GW again.

this time to end it, kind of a bury-the-hatchet kind of deal.

who's down?

-Gajira, proud member of Valhalla

[voron]

Yes, a GM needs to see this topic, and decide what should happen.

[Gamerchik93]

ugh this has gone on long enough... the GM's have enough to deal with then trying to sort out a problem that the leaders of the 2 guilds can work out them selfs

If the GM's waste their time with this stupid argument then the problems everyone has been having as of late ( stats down, 2h weapons bugged, etc. ) wont be fixed... now do we really want that?? cuz i sure as hell know i want to use my fricken axe again real soon.

[Rogil]

Well as I can see it... there still is only one person still insulting people(well 2 now an unknown too afraid to introduce himself/herself)

Rogun all you do is repeatedly insult people. Get a Life please...
Your logic makes no sense.... you just had a bad day of testosterone leakage... you just felt you were stronger and wanted to kill Cyan and all his guild.

BTW, you killed more than cyan did you not? and you are mad at him for mistreating his guild!

You mistreated our guild more than anyone has before. You are pathetic.. for thinking you are RIGHT. IT CRACKS ME UP. Soooo your point is?

You are defending our guild by killing us? and spawn killing us?
PLEASE, quit trying to defend your actions.
You are 100% wrong. And Goodbye

Shakit 40 mage

do something about it.

[J3ff4ya]

All your doing now is provoking Rogun...

[LitoBee]

All your doing now is provoking Rogun...

I agree.


Isnt this getting a little tiring for you guys...? Just curious since its like 6 pages long now.

[Asheer]

First of all i am neutral in this matter(I am from TEVA) but i make some interesting observations and something what i consider a emergency signal that we starting cross border witch we should not be even near.

Like was posts here in couple of times, relationship betwen guild members are permament internal and PRIVATE!!! thing, so then member other guild have NO RIGHT to even comment what he see if this is not directed to them personally what lead me to ask a question:

-Are harassed person ask you to intervine in this matter, or even start a war under this circumstances?

I suposse not and really last thing we need is when members guild A starting mess up in matters guild B and starting wars to defend "insulting" member guild A.

And here we go to next step.

When we chat we see ONLY LETTERS typing by someone, we dont hear how he speak , what intonation he use, and what in his intention should be a joke(what puting werbal i am sure will be), writen soud like insult.

I will repeat again PLAYER FROM GUILD A HAVE NO RIGHTS TO MESS IN INTERNAL MATTERS OF GUILD B ( i dont want use a names because this will be pointless) because this will lead to anarchy wars declared in the name of defence other player who i suppose never ask for this...

If such member will felt insulting then he could report this to guild heads or GM's if clearing this matter inside guild will be impossible.

Rogun what i see you have find a ideal Carte Blanche for starting oneside war and right now even here you insulting others and making a threats...

If you still will act in this way then dont be suprised when one day you find your account terminated by Outspark, or even entire guild will pay a price for your actions.

Is this really what you want...?

[daggrr69]

Lmfao!!!!!! Funny Stuff Man! :D

[schpeedie]

In time. In time ^^

[ddmatrix]

I'm an outsider too (Teva) and read thru all the post above.

I agree with Asheer there, where internal matters of a guild should be dealt in the guild. If a guild members does not like how his own guilds treats him / her, then no point of staying in such a guild... just find a better guild.

I just wanted to know more about these so called rules of war... Where does GM post these rules? I've searched a lot but could not find any rules other that rules of thumbs by other guild members. I want to see something official. Please add the link to the GM posting please.

As a guild admin, I try to follow some basic rules myself:
- No mushroom kill (hitting someone and going to mush does not count )
- No spawn kill
- No outside of town kill

Unless obviously both guild have agreed upon something :)

I just hope this gets resolved for both.

[xiaonile]

o_O Valhalla doesn't cheat. LMFAO as a matter of fact we have rules to our guild warring.
I also sense a bit of the pot trying to call the kettle black here anyway...(and a lot of unecessary name calling/swearing)

With that said...I agree with asheer and ddmatrix...if someone else is getting abused in another guild, it's not your/our problem and that person could always leave said guild (i mean our guild's probably better anywhoo :P) and in this instance its caused more trouble that its worth rofl...makes me think of the chinese saying "hao xin dang lu gan fei" essentially meaning good intentions treated as useless ****(well i'm sure you can fill in the blank here).

And Cyan, if I were you and seriously had a prob with Rog I'd actually ACTIVELY try to find a solution to my problem/issue. i.e. PM a GM rather than passively cross my fingers and hope that someone higher up would read my thread and do something for me. That, or suck it up and move on.

Lastly (i swear i'm done! XD) there's also the Valhalla Guild website to complain on as well. You can find it in the Valhalla thread. I'm sure its not too much effort for y'all considering all those screen caps.....

annnnyway
MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL and Happy Chanukka and Happy Kwanza :3
and Happy New Year (but i'll be back home to wish you all that by then ^^)

P.S. You may find this biased or whatever, but I truly <3 all the Valhalla members and Rogun has my respect and support. We're a very fun guild, despite what some may say. -_-b

[BoOmHeadshot]

Honestly, it's Rogun, what do you expect?

[Alodia]

I`m curious.

Rogun, how does Cyan`s actions towards one of his own guild members concern you at all? Did the 'victimized' guild member ask for your help or something? It`s a problem that should be dealt with within that guild alone. Why should you bother to stick your nose into it? Also, if Cyan decided to be a bumface and insult you/your guild, you could`ve simply ignored it and be the 'bigger person', instead of breaking the unwritten laws of guild wars.

I, personally, have nothing against Valhalla (<3 LitoBee + Knil), but I think it`s ridiculous how your guild seems to be the most disliked, by far.

:/

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

That disgusts me >:(

How can they do that?! Like someone said earlier the point of a guild war is to have fun and if both sides arnt having fun you talk it out and set a truce. This is beyond banable people like that make me sick.

What server is this on? I want to kick the living ***** out of em.

[krazyboi]

be thankful ur in apoline valhalla people because it looks like a lo of strong ppl from teva wanna pwn ur asses and see how u like it.:P he looks like 55- mage i think i can take him

[xiaonile]

That disgusts me >:(

How can they do that?! Like someone said earlier the point of a guild war is to have fun and if both sides arnt having fun you talk it out and set a truce. This is beyond banable people like that make me sick.

What server is this on? I want to kick the living ***** out of em.
errm...? this is in the apoline guild hall...i believe it would be on the apoline server.
methinks we don't need anymore hotheadedness added into this mix anymore...besides just let cyan and rog settle this prob out on their own...
it's not your fight good sir.

be thankful ur in apoline valhalla people because it looks like a lo of strong ppl from teva wanna pwn ur asses and see how u like it.:P he looks like 55- mage i think i can take him
....thank you for your most informative and helpful post.

[Esoterra]

be thankful ur in apoline valhalla people because it looks like a lo of strong ppl from teva wanna pwn ur asses and see how u like it.:P he looks like 55- mage i think i can take him

Wow. That was really out of bounds right there. I'm pretty sure by now this conflict is resolved. Rogun stated in game he'd not do this again. That being said, Cyan and Rogun, you do not have to like each other, but at least let there be some bit of neutrality. I'm quite tired of seeing the flaming in town, and know you both can handle yourselves better. Sorry if I sound overly serious, too. =/

[nerdzo]

I`m curious.

Rogun, how does Cyan`s actions towards one of his own guild members concern you at all? Did the 'victimized' guild member ask for your help or something? It`s a problem that should be dealt with within that guild alone. Why should you bother to stick your nose into it? Also, if Cyan decided to be a bumface and insult you/your guild, you could`ve simply ignored it and be the 'bigger person', instead of breaking the unwritten laws of guild wars.

I, personally, have nothing against Valhalla (<3 LitoBee + Knil), but I think it`s ridiculous how your guild seems to be the most disliked, by far.

:/


:O ur not talking in 3rd person!

okay back on topic.

i am yet another outsider from teva, and have read every single post in this thread. a few points i'd like to point out:

1. the number of ppl saying rogun warred xenosaga cuz cyan was being mean to his own guild member. if u read the post, rogun said that cyan procceeded to insult valhalla. and this was when cyan "went too far". im not sure if this is true, but i won't assume its false either. however, those ppl who said rogun warred xeno because cyan was being mean to his own guild member, either did not read wad rogun said, or just assumed that he was lying. for those who didn't see the post, i'll quote it for you:
you idiot.. i said stop mistreating your own guild members. i did not do it in a way to start a war. you just came back at me and made fun of my guild and me. thats when you go too far. the whole go fck your mom was not needed. im sorry that a stupid kid like you needs to make it seem like I was in the bad. i dont ss everything. it was between 2 guilds actually your guild and me. We stopped fighting you after 5 minutes since it got boring and we were done. nothing to be done. war is after all pointless.

2. a few ppl said that xenosaga also spawn killed and stuff too. yes, this has nothing to do with the incident, but i just think that if xenosaga really did those stuff, they shouldn't be complaining, for the sake of less flames. NO, i am NOT assuming that xenosaga really spawn killed and stuff, im just saying IF.

3. from the screenshots, i do see that valhalla is breaking some of the guild war rules. spawn killing and such. breaking guild war rules should NOT be done, no matter under what circumstances. so, yes, valhalla is in the wrong. however, there shouldn't be action taken against the WHOLE guild, as only a few members seemed to be involved, rogun and this failcaykes (again, from the screenshots).

4. i propose that both guild just drop this matter, and forgive each other (for now). because cookies are tasty. (ignore this point, im just hungry @.@)

i repeat, i am an OUTSIDER from teva and therefore am not prejudiced in anyway. this are just some points that i would like to point out.

[Alodia]

nerdzo;; This are serious thread. Eirlyn are serious.

;O;

Serious is not fun.

</3

[Asheer]

OK TEVA'ns, lets stop messing in matters on other server:D

However we must start watching our own field and prevent that such case does not happend in TEVA.:cool:

And for my last opinion in this case.

I hope that leaders of both guilds will find a good solution who satisfy both sides and prevent such irrational acting for the future.
Dont forget that righ now GM's my close eye for breaking ToS, but if you dont find a reasonable solution, this situation will have very bad outcome for one (if not both) of the sites.

Trust me, takling in style "You started... - Me?" does not help to resolve this case.

Less emotions more logic and clear minds is needed here.:).


Happy New Year Apoline :)

[violence]

okies imma clarify this so everyone knows all mentioned breaking of rules are payer made there is no outspark rules against killing outside of town shroom killing or spawn killing all player made rules none are prisonable offenses non are bannable offenses non are any kind of offense those are all player made rules not outspark rules you must have missed it when steam anounced it in elderine

[Rogil]

okies imma clarify this so everyone knows all mentioned breaking of rules are payer made there is no outspark rules against killing outside of town shroom killing or spawn killing all player made rules none are prisonable offenses non are bannable offenses non are any kind of offense those are all player made rules not outspark rules you must have missed it when steam anounced it in elderine

Finally. Thanks vio

[ddmatrix]

okies imma clarify this so everyone knows all mentioned breaking of rules are payer made there is no outspark rules against killing outside of town shroom killing or spawn killing all player made rules none are prisonable offenses non are bannable offenses non are any kind of offense those are all player made rules not outspark rules you must have missed it when steam anounced it in elderine

if that true, please point me to the link where GM steam mentions this. I have checked the announcements:
http://www.outspark.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12
if its something official, it should be there.

Don't get me wrong, I just want to be better informed.

[Vegetamaniac]

I remember you doing the same thing to another guild called Cutting Edge i belive. you even killed their party in vt then kill spawned in elder.


I remember that. One of my freinds pm me and asked if my guild could help kill Xenosaga, becuase they were shroom killing and spawn killing and would not stop it.
Xenosaga is acting like the victim here when really, look who is talking.
Talk about Hypocrites.

[arandomdude]

I was in Valhalla for a time. Rogun is a bit hot-tempered and has a lot of pride. A few simple rules if you don't wanna have Rogun war you.

1. Don't insult him or Valhalla.
2. Don't disrespect people in you're own guild.
3. Don't be an a ss when warring others.

Rogun is only protecting his guild.

[xiaonile]

if that true, please point me to the link where GM steam mentions this. I have checked the announcements:
http://www.outspark.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12
if its something official, it should be there.

Don't get me wrong, I just want to be better informed.

GM Steam made a notice basically for us Apolinians to stop messaging him about shroom killing etc because there were no official rules regarding that, therefore he couldn't do anything about it....(unless if it was incessant shroom killing to the point of harrasment and said victims couldn't play fiesta normally anymore etc...)

if i had a screencap of it i'd post it but i don't.

[kira1211]

Lol wow this is really long thread now. But i didn't read all 8 pages to not post anything.

1. Guild issues should be dealt INSIDE the guild, and no outsider should stick his/her nose in it.
2. The rules about shroom-killing/ganging up and all that is generally(silently) agreed in Gws.
3. What are Tevians doing here????

Of course, you didn't see me complaining when the Over_Lords ganged up on me. And one of the members tried to kill me in CP.
Either FOR_TACOs or whatever attacked me then shroomed. Then I got mad and almost shroom killed that dude.
But u don't see me complaining about it.. till now. :)

[vafan]

What I understand, protecting people is a noble thing to do, I don't want to sound like a hippie but wouldn't we all love a world where everyone looked after eachother? ><

[Alodia]

Where we looked after each other, then declared war on the people who were bullying?

Sounds like paradise to me.

(;

[/sarcasm]

[togashi]

lol i can see Valhalla is becoming more famous :P

[XcakerulesX]

What a load of noobs.

[xiaonile]

lol i can see Valhalla is becoming more famous :P

lol u sure its not infamous...-__-

[Rogil]

Rogun's an immature little ***** who thinks he's the best in the game. Period.

el ol el...

[Twinkle]

el ol el...

Grow up, please.

[vafan]

Grow up, please.

Stop flambaiting the public forums - if you want to run your mouth do so in PM, nobody came to forums to listen to people like you. If anyone should grow up, it's you. If you really have to resort to plain out flaming to prove a point, the discussion is already over, and it has been about 5 pages ago.

[Godric234]

I will use a quote from shakespeare here All is fair in love and war and that is definelty a war so don't say how rogun is being a **** or whatever and GROW UP!

[Tetsuyo-Inezuka]

you guys have a problem with Valhalla, war us, is it that hard to back up your words with actions? i assure you, then, if you can man up and fight us, you realize why we only war guilds that are hurting/harassing/or just plain being...mean. anyways, we don't cheat, we do what we can to teach all the jerkish other guilds that think were bad ppl for helping those weaker than us, is that really a problem?

[Soul.of.Trance]

Kinda funny how I see rogun in alot of those pictures.

[Alodia]

Tetsuyo-Inezuka;; It`s not wrong but your methods aren't exactly saintly either.

Besides, like I stated before, in the case of the actions that started this thread, one guild member was being rude to another guild member, in the same guild. It wasn't like this guild was picking on another guild.. I just really don't understand why you have to stick your head in a situation that can be easily handled by leaving the guild, and make even more problems.

Okay, the other guild hit you guys, then ran, then shroomed to 'make it look like you were shroomkilling', but the screenies don't show that, and you guys can't have solid proof that that actually was the case.

And again.. cause this is really bugging me.. why do you guys have to butt into matters that should be taken care of within the guild?
If they start 'cussin' you out, ignore it. Rogun has insulted LE numerous times, but you don't see me hating on him and his entire guild, do you?

[Rogil]

Tetsuyo-Inezuka;; It`s not wrong but your methods aren't exactly saintly either.

Besides, like I stated before, in the case of the actions that started this thread, one guild member was being rude to another guild member, in the same guild. It wasn't like this guild was picking on another guild.. I just really don't understand why you have to stick your head in a situation that can be easily handled by leaving the guild, and make even more problems.

Okay, the other guild hit you guys, then ran, then shroomed to 'make it look like you were shroomkilling', but the screenies don't show that, and you guys can't have solid proof that that actually was the case.

And again.. cause this is really bugging me.. why do you guys have to butt into matters that should be taken care of within the guild?
If they start 'cussin' you out, ignore it. Rogun has insulted LE numerous times, but you don't see me hating on him and his entire guild, do you?


This thread is over... btw a human being is a human being. just because your in the same guild it does not give you the right to haress another guildy just because of same guild. i attempted to stop cyan from haressing and bad mouthing his guildy for not healing because that person is just a person. he was also a lowbie so he cant heal as much as cyan wants him too. all i asked was for cyan to chill. not turn to me and bad mouth me then the guild. Also i understand my rep about being a bad person but thats your choice to believe. I know i was a mean lil guy back in my lowbie days but i know i have changed into a non war freak. lol... anyways please stop replying on this thread it needs to be deleted already.

[Asheer]

This thread is over... btw a human being is a human being. just because your in the same guild it does not give you the right to haress another guildy just because of same guild. i attempted to stop cyan from haressing and bad mouthing his guildy for not healing because that person is just a person. he was also a lowbie so he cant heal as much as cyan wants him too. all i asked was for cyan to chill. not turn to me and bad mouth me then the guild. Also i understand my rep about being a bad person but thats your choice to believe. I know i was a mean lil guy back in my lowbie days but i know i have changed into a non war freak. lol... anyways please stop replying on this thread it needs to be deleted already.

Hmmm...

I known i vow not post here anymore but last post is simply inaxceptable...

Rogil you IGNORED entire thread and still try play role pseudo Game Master who tell other how they should behave and right now demand end this thread because you face here hard critic and it seems your ego was painfully hit because of this, but for a last time...

IF YOU ARE NOT OFFICIAL GAME MASTER THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE ANYBODY WHAT THEY SHOULD DO AND HOW THEY SHOULD BEHAVE.

It seems after GM Steam's dismission on Apoline starting emerges selfproclaim Game Masters...

[Rogil]

Hmmm...

I known i vow not post here anymore but last post is simply inaxceptable...

Rogil you IGNORED entire thread and still try play role pseudo Game Master who tell other how they should behave and right now demand end this thread because you face here hard critic and it seems your ego was painfully hit because of this, but for a last time...

IF YOU ARE NOT OFFICIAL GAME MASTER THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE ANYBODY WHAT THEY SHOULD DO AND HOW THEY SHOULD BEHAVE.

It seems after GM Steam's dismission on Apoline starting emerges selfproclaim Game Masters...

lol guess we are starting this thread up again. anyways i didnt tell him to do anything i asked nicely of him to lay off the cleric not demanding and rage war. now get your facts straight.

[I.Aiyoku]

lol guess we are starting this thread up again. anyways i didnt tell him to do anything i asked nicely of him to lay off the cleric not demanding and rage war. now get your facts straight.

UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

Okay... I'm usually a Teva player, but I have a level 28 Fighter on Apoline and I remembere hearing about you guys... ALL of you.

I would just like to state that BOTH of you (Cyan and Rogun) are in the wrong. True, it's not good to bad-mouth one of your own guild members, but what you don't know is the sitiation and the tone of voice (I call friends names all the time, but we just laugh it off).



As many other people have said, no matter what is happening, no other guild/guild member should involve themselves in other guilds unless pulled into it by a friend (I used to have friends who asked me to help all the time in their guilds).

It is not right to curse other people in the forums--even though I have done it myself. Sorry! Sorry!--since we are here as respectable, honorable people.

Also, the so-called guild rules are not real. You can shroom-kill, spawn-kill, and kill outside of town, but it is not honorable! To gang up on any one person is also not honorable. Fight with valour! The way me and many people see it, to shroom-kill is an act of scared luck--you hope the other person is busy doing something. To spawn-kill is the same as an easy kill, the other person(s) have only a fraction of their maximun hp, and to kill outside of town is the same as fear. You don't want the other person to level up and overpower you. Trust me on this, I have asked many people--and not just my friends!

And to flame people just because they began to curse you out is an act of cowardice and childness. It is the simple case of "I'm better than you" in other terms... even though I have been convicted of it myself. Sorry!... Mature people would only shrug it off, maybe give a warning or two, and just walk away.



Yes, I did read ALL of the posts on here, even the one stating "no Tevians!", and I looked at the snapshots closely. I will REFUSE to side with either guild for I am a neutral in Apoline... and currently in Teva...

As my Title states, I am just trying to be a clear voice of reason for those who have decided to read this post and I hope some of you will agree with me.

[A.N.I.K]

Lol..

All i asked from this guy Cyan was to stop being rude to his own guild MEMBER. yet hes leader... funny. nice leadership? anyways after i said this he decided to start cussing and tell me to go find some lvl 30 guild to pick on. All i asked from this kid was to stop being rude to his own member. the cleric was tryin his best but w/e. Cyan took it too far with his words so i warred him. i dont need to ss everything i say to some idiot. it was 8 vs 1(being me) when the war started anyways. i dont see why they would just kill me... anyways after i killed all of them and went to elder.(yes i was pretty ticked after hearing bad things about my guild) i would just kill cyan for he was the one that started it. then his members decide to hit us then shroom then take ss of his hitting back. wow cool eh? so i guess thats why you see shroom kill. nice way to defend your guild and look like more of a wuss. pretty sorry leader, although i told my guild to stop after 10 minutes because i had to get a haircut. just 10 mins lol.. of getting hit then them shrroming right there haha.

I do not war for no reason there is always a reason

I dont care if you call me a jerk, but im just defending my own guild. When you get a guild run it how you want. but in Valhalla if anyone is made fun of or messed with we will try our hardest to get the person/guild back.

-Rogun

Hmm..... over here we've got a saying that goes something like this, "Would you bite a dog if it bit you?" Cyan must've heard it somehow ;D

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2008/002/1/1/screenshot046a_by_UniqueMASTERMIND.jpg

Oh...... and like OH MY DEAR GOD! I had no idea you cared so much about our guild, kid! But I think I speak for everyone in Xenosaga when I say, you may lay off the with the love now..... and, oh I don't know..... spread it over someone who cares? So thanks but no thanks ^_____^

You take care now XD

[BoOmHeadshot]

That looks like pretty hard evidence to me >.>

[vafan]

I'm still taking Rogun's side of this, nobody should swear at someone else, regardless if he's in your guild. Rogun must have seen this and tried to protect him, maybe he didn't handle it perfectly, but the thought was good.

I'm really not in the mood for arguing about mundane things such as this; consider this my last post on the subject.

[lordalden]

I've not even begun to read half the posts on this thread, because only a few of them give me enough information to this entire situation. The thread has stayed relatively on topic, I admit that, however, it has also turned into a troll/flaming war between Valhalla members and/or advocates/allies, and those opposed.

This is a violation of the rules of the forums, and needs to stop. These forums are to in as respectable a manner, report wrong doing to Guild Leaders so they may take administrative action, interact with the community, ask questions, have fun, and help others. This thread will hopefully be shut down after I send the report.

[Rogil]

What type of people would stay in a guild that is under a leader that lets their members die? he did not protect his guild. he forced his guild to shroom and die... how lame. it admits in the first post that he was tryin to **** me off if you read the text in the ss. From what I see he wanted it to happen. so w/e.

[J3ff4ya]

There have been so many complaints about you Rogil, obviously it's just not him, OverLords?

[Mikencloud]

Maybe you should have just sent the screenies to a gm or something :X, you should have known it was gonna turn into a huge flame war.

[X-Ox-X]

I'm sure almost everyone active in Apolines Guild discussions in Forums has heard about Valhallas GW's and how the guild war started, things done during GW, and after the guild war which these forums seem to be where you people discuss it all.

Followed by some pretty good screen picks showing attacks made by Valhalla outside of Eld. and while in some popular training areas

Although the members of Valhalla seem to be able to hold their own in these discussions and have not made themselves look like fools.

I believe with all these threads and people who have the same feelings towards Valhalla there must be some truth behind it. Wether it be Rogun likes easy guild wars (lvl 30 guilds) and stomp them or where he can just settle it in the game where all he needs to do in an agrument is GW them and kill them several hund. times to get another reaction out of people.

I really dunno to be honest but Valhalla hasn't been making this game very fun for those low lvls starting this game and I hope it hasn't made to many people quit already....

Sorry Valhalla but i don't think with all these threads against ya (although alot of potty mouth coming from the victims) its making your guild look very dirty and non-friendly.



Your lovin Friend,

TRUNX ^_^

[X-Ox-X]

Rogun what are you really accomplishing from all these?? is it really because they need to be put in their place? Do you really think you have that right? to force others to act the way you want them to by guild warring them.

I really would like to see you do the same to the higher lvl guilds and tell them to act the way you want them to or else...


and sorry if you see this as me attacking you cause Im really not... Just would like you to ask yourself these questions... and the last part was just my humor thought for this post.



Your lovin Friend,

TRUNX ^_^

[Esoterra]

A little late: But note.

His announcement was that Shroom killing and GWing outside of town was just in poor taste and is not against the rules.

HOWEVER: Continuation to do this beyond bounds of a normal GW CAN be taken as harassment, and is bannable under this case. This was also stated on the same announcement on Apoline. Just making note of this.

[programmer579]

XD just saw this thread XD

...so ummm....the first was posted in december like the 22nd........and it's still being discussed.....er.....actually i first saw this and started laughing XD...since the new probs we are facing today involve ppl against ppl they used to be in guilds with XD...it's kinda ironic...oh wells...c ya all in game ^^

[Stenbumling]

This discussion has been long dead, stop posting stuff here.