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Black-Phoenix
12-25-2007, 01:51 AM
i was wondering cuz i made a squire and i wated to know if i should keep lvling her or not.

i love soloing so if there good at that ill keep her for a while

arianmsani
12-25-2007, 02:45 AM
squires and neophytes are the tank of the party and they have average damage...
So yeah, good for soloing

talonmas
12-25-2007, 10:57 AM
If you love solo I suggest archer though :)

ViEtbOiKrUpTiOn
12-25-2007, 02:09 PM
just because theyre tanks and do average damage doesnt mean theyre good for soloing, and it's not like tanks in this game have a godly advantage over other chars regarding being able to take damage, your max hp isn't that much higher than other classes, and you are aco dependent because currently at higher levels potions wont cut it for soloing, especially if you get mobbed, i'd suggest a ranged char for soloing.

Rodaa
12-25-2007, 02:18 PM
we're not great, we level a little slow, but we can survive, thats what really matters

ViEtbOiKrUpTiOn
12-25-2007, 02:24 PM
but any class can survive =/.... and ranged classes can solo without getting touched. saving money and protecting from deaths which = slower levelling.

Rodaa
12-25-2007, 02:36 PM
i mean we can survive easily when soloing, acolytes can't really do this from my experiance

ViEtbOiKrUpTiOn
12-25-2007, 05:20 PM
They can do it better, their IQ spell slows the npc, I assume you aren't that high level because of what you just wrote, once you get to scorging, itll be hard soloing something that hits even squires for 70+ damage a hit... with over 2k hp to boot.

arianmsani
12-25-2007, 09:54 PM
Squires are good for soloing till lv 44, from my experience

thacks
12-25-2007, 10:20 PM
Squires like all classes are useful, its convienent to be in a party coz less dmg and healing if an aco, but i find lvling faster when soloing, i may rest may but i still lvl faster, this is because eventually the exp gets so low, like 0.20-0.30. when in parties it can go down to 0.10 or less, coupled with the fact you normally go much further in whe partying and end up dying more frequently, you start off worse than before, normally you also start to gang up on one monster, equals less exp, much better when everone is attacking different monsters, i think whether soling or partying is based upon the persons personal preference rather than a neccessity.

Deviling
12-26-2007, 02:45 AM
squires r not good on soloing..its the damn fact..
u could but its very slow exp
we got lil high def then rouges. and we cant dodge
we take every hit from mobs,
we really need party

whats good about squire? i dun really know now...

arianmsani
12-26-2007, 02:48 AM
squires r not good on soloing..its the damn fact..
u could but its very slow exp
we got lil high def then rouges. and we cant dodge
we take every hit from mobs,
we really need party

whats good about squire? i dun really know now...

Well, try grinding ur way to 66, we feel a sense of accomplishment that we grinded with the slowest lvling character in the game. Also, we get better at 66 by a ton (Over 200-300 damage MORE from what i heard) and we just keep getting better and better...

Rodaa
12-26-2007, 06:12 AM
yeah, just because the classes seem unbalanced at first doesnt mean that won't change. Look at apprentices, they start off overpowered but the rest of the classes catch up

ViEtbOiKrUpTiOn
12-26-2007, 05:59 PM
They're not overpowered... they're what they are, glass cannons, big damage, squishy body. And I doubt squire is the slowest level solo hero out there, acos? And no matter what, late game partying will always be faster exp than solo, if it's not for you, it's either cause of you, or cause your party sucks, find a decent party.. and you'll notice the worth.

arianmsani
12-26-2007, 07:26 PM
Squire, infact is the slowest, Illusion quake has a "poison" damage

Aurican
12-28-2007, 12:25 PM
Besides the avg 3+ hp per level, you get 15HP per Sta and 100hp from burning, not sure on burning II. Those points which so many people think is worthless allows a squire to solo on maps higher than his/her current level. A Pow/Sta squire is probably the best solo build, but don't look for crits..

Soloing is easy for a squire. They clear low maps as fast as an app, and can tackle higher maps better than other melee classes. But if you're a pure Pow build...stick to lower maps, ok??? xD

FateStayNight
01-07-2008, 10:24 PM
Squires like all classes are useful, its convienent to be in a party coz less dmg and healing if an aco, but i find lvling faster when soloing, i may rest may but i still lvl faster, this is because eventually the exp gets so low, like 0.20-0.30. when in parties it can go down to 0.10 or less, coupled with the fact you normally go much further in whe partying and end up dying more frequently, you start off worse than before, normally you also start to gang up on one monster, equals less exp, much better when everone is attacking different monsters, i think whether soling or partying is based upon the persons personal preference rather than a neccessity.

man... 0.2 that is so high lawl... i get .1 at best solo, and 0.05 at best with party yay...

dylanangel
01-08-2008, 08:49 AM
I for one have NEVER relied on an Aco in this game. I do just fine on my own. I turn down the party's because I level better alone. Later in the game I will be in parties because the exp is less and less and I will be bored alone. That would be the only reason.

star-como
01-09-2008, 05:50 PM
i love the way they look, and yes theyre good 4 soloing

talonmas
01-12-2008, 06:39 AM
Why do all the people lie? NO, Squires are not "good" at soloing. They MANAGE when it comes to solo. That does not equal good. And as someone mentioned, that is a fact. You may love your char/class, but compared to other classes you aint very good at solo game, sorry.

(My definition of good would be fast exp over time. And since hp pots only heal 20hp, you won't be able to pot spam your way to victory and thus have to rest. And wihle you rest the other classes fly past you.)


My personal "best at solo" list:

Archer
Mage
Diciple
Rogue
Squire
Acolyte*


*reason for Aco to be last is, while it's "easy" to solo (distance attack, slow skill, heal), they do very low damage and thus get low exp over time

fourthing
01-12-2008, 10:03 AM
Squires like all classes are useful, its convienent to be in a party coz less dmg and healing if an aco, but i find lvling faster when soloing, i may rest may but i still lvl faster, this is because eventually the exp gets so low, like 0.20-0.30. when in parties it can go down to 0.10 or less, coupled with the fact you normally go much further in whe partying and end up dying more frequently, you start off worse than before, normally you also start to gang up on one monster, equals less exp, much better when everone is attacking different monsters, i think whether soling or partying is based upon the persons personal preference rather than a neccessity.
hi im kinda new here.. For you and all the Squires there.... I have 1 question for you... What's the best builds/stats of Squire?

talonmas
01-12-2008, 03:53 PM
My opinion:
High pow, some men
Then either 6 wis for blazing, or some stamina, or even more power. Experiment.

robert1205
01-12-2008, 05:12 PM
In my opinion, squires are great now because they are less of them resulting in popular demand in parties. They're great for soloing too as well. However, they are disadvantages to that. Since squires are 95% short rangers, you usually get the damage a lot. I suggust archers or templars to solo because they're long rangers. Squires have excellent weight capacity and hit points too. So actually there are pros and cons to squires. Remember, its just my opinion :P

Aurican
01-14-2008, 06:35 AM
If you want to level fast then you have to stick to lowest map that gives the least amount of trouble, period. It helps if it's well populated with mobs.

Now, if you play your Squire like Neo you will not level fast. I'm at level 32 and have 466HP, with blazing from a teamate it went to 616HP. I grind on maps that give .5 xp, the mobs deal 20dmg max, takes 5 hits to kill, and shield crash lasts for 3 Slash!es. That's about 23 mobs tops before I would need to rest. xD

Granted the higher than normal HP is from equips, but this is to illustrate a point. Squires need HP to keep going, and more than what Equips give! If you have money buy HP buffs, Large Hp potions, and/or a XP enhancer. Just save that stuff for soloing or dungeon grinding, k?

High Sta gives a higher Regen amounts per tick, and that lowers rest time significantly. The sheep helmet from the novice lab brings the tick time to 2 secs, and other EQ brings it down further. If you prepare well you can level fast for a Squire.

Now did you realize by pumping STA you can tackle higher maps sooner? There's a difference between dieing, just dieing, just staying alive, have a little left over, being able to handle two, three, four, etc...

Well, what about Agi? I could just pump points into Men..
Skill casting speed doesn't effect Slash! to my knowlege. There is no casting involved what so ever. It may be a skill, but there is no blue charge bar. Same goes for Threaten. The primary comparision between the two is that Agi puts points into Att and raises SKILL critical, while MEN raises Skill critical. Granted Men raises it faster, but we don't crit often enough to beat out the attack increase from Agi. Besides Slash! deals double standard damage from regular attacks so we shouldn't be alternating attack/Slash! It's useful when you need to conserve mana pots, but we use them at such a slower rate than other classes. In other words, Agi bolsters the primary attack of Squires better than Men..

Just remember Shield Crash is what mitagates damage for us, so find a map where you can SC, Sl!, Sl!, Sl!, *mob dies* and you take no damage at all. Then again if you can find a map where you can kill a mob fast enough to use SC as soon as that now dead mob is finished, that's even more better...

And just to clarify, if squires used HP pots like Apprentices use Mana pots, it's QUITE easy to level just as fast. Squires can hold 200pots and then some easily xDD

Don't neglect STA xD