MEN stat on a magician

[Chaoskerzx]

Somebody please answer my question... What does MEN do to the Stats of a character?

[Rodaa]

raises skill attack speed, raises skill critical, probally a few other things. I amy also be incorrect with those 2 but thats what i've heard.

it might work for an apprentice because they pretty much only use skills (skills, spells its all the same i think).

I don't think ive seen a build using it before though.
don't quote me on this, i haven't played an apprentice, in fact, i don't plan too

[Fireslinger]

You know, I'm a big supporter of the INT/MEN Apprentice build... I've talked about it many times in the forums and have shown many mages the benefits of MEN in game (i.e. I cast almost twice as fast, and I crit more often)

MEN does increase your casting speed, but I found you only notice a difference in comparison to other mages once your MEN stat gets above 10 and 12 stat points, whereas at those points, I noticed that the wait time on almost all my spells went down to nothing, even for Lightning.

if you would choose to add MEN, you would probably notice that your damage wouldnt be as high as others your level, but a lot of mages are doing pure INT builds, whereas your build would be one with less INT, but more speed...

hope this helps (I just got up, so if this doesn't make any sense, I apologize)

[Shadar]

For purely number purposes (I don't care about being 'the best') I've gone with almost a pure men build. Points were spent on INT early on, but my MEN is almost hitting 30; or maybe it has, I'll have to log in later today to find out.

The damage I do per hit, compared to other mages is very noticable. (With me doing lower of course) I do tend to put out just as much, perhaps a little more over the same period of time than a pure int build due to my speed and crazy crit rate.

[Fireslinger]

your post raises an interesting question...

with all that MEN, and not a lot of INT... do you burn pots like crazy?

I mean, the spells still cost the same, and you are casting at a faster rate doing less damage...

maybe I'm not thinking about it the right way, but the build sounds... expensive...

[ViEtbOiKrUpTiOn]

Since he says longterm the damage evens out... i wouldn't suggest it.. since the long term money wise would be a lot higher, imo i don't think it's worth it.. but who knows, anyways, some like massive speed compared to massive power... but if your crits do 0... you wont be doin much in general will ya? ;p

[Shadar]

Yes it's more expensive, but I haven't found anything important enough to spend my 500k on, just pots.

The longer the fighting is, the more my overall damage seems to outpace pure int builds.

[spiritphoenix]

it is easier if u look at game guide..it tells u evrything n its easy to understand

[hyoten]

well in my opinion pure INT and MEN make no diff since in the long run they r both same damage ,but i wud advise u do INT because the more MEN the more $ u need to make up for it

[Fireslinger]

well in my opinion pure INT and MEN make no diff since in the long run they r both same damage ,but i wud advise u do INT because the more MEN the more $ u need to make up for it

I have to disagree with this...

in the LONG RUN is exactly where you see the INT/MEN and Pure INT build differences...

at my level, i do about 40 damage less on any given spell (being an INT/MEN mage) as a mage that is pure INT at my level... BUT... I cast a heck of a lot faster, often getting on an extra two to three casts on a red monster... therefore making my damage just a bit higher... and my crit rate at this point is finally noticable... using Concentration, i have chained up to 4 crits in a row.... and this isn't a rare occurence! I crit in multiples many times in a ny given hunt, and my crits do upwards of 80+ damage than what the spell itself would cast for...

in the higher levels is exactly when you start to see the differences in builds...

[Ranmayasha]

Well I have to agree there with Fire. I was training at Taisen Plains. We are similar levels (52 and 50). But when I was kiling a monster myself I needed to freez it only twice where my partner needed 3 times to not get atakced by the mog. And the pots waste in this case was also on My side. Couse he had like 1 critical during the kill. When I had like 4 and I didn't use concentration. So maybe adding to main on levels under 46 is a bit demotivating cause it gives You like nothing. Then after You reach this level and go for stronger monsters alone you will surely see the difference compared to other builds.

But the best part of men is PVP :P I can kill other apperentices faster cause they need to heal alot more then me couse I atack more often. Well I't just depends what You wanna do :)

Your's Ran~

[Shin_Skillet]

interesting... sounds like it is only affected at 10 though. I might have to test it out.

[Shadar]

Oh yeah, I wouldn't suggest anyone follow the route of pure MEN.

But, I feel someone needed too so others could see the numbers (crit rate, casting speed, etc. at various men levels) and figured I'd do it.

Though, a pure INT/MEN build would only go so far too.

[Sinome]

Delete: No longer playing this MMO

[Sinome]

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[Ranmayasha]

Well You proly didn't read corectly but what you are doing now just couses that You will be totaly broke the whole time :P First add into INT, later You can start adding also to MEN, couse well You will realy have to use alot of pots now to gain a single level :P

Your's Ran~

[Fireslinger]

its very true that you will probably be broke the whole time you are playing given your current build...

casting faster is great, but without the power to accompany the fast casting, you are doing nothing but overpaying in mp for your spells...

a balance is needed to make the INT/MEN build work, a good amount of INT with a fairly small, but effective, amount of MEN (hence why I use the 5:1 ratio for this build)... my spells hit faster and only about 30 to 40 damage below the normal hit, with a lot more crits (and with concentration, I crit every 5 or 6 hits)

[Aurican]

Just put 2-3 points into Men every 5th level..

[RainbowHeartPony]

Sorry if this is a repeat question, but... Does MEN help w/ "MISS" rate? It seems like I miss more often than most. If MEN doesn't help w/ this, what does? Thanks in advance!

[Shin_Skillet]

Sorry if this is a repeat question, but... Does MEN help w/ "MISS" rate? It seems like I miss more often than most. If MEN doesn't help w/ this, what does? Thanks in advance!

I think it adjust hit rate?