Advice From A Lvl 50+ Archer

[THExCORRUPTED]

ok so im reading all these little guides and what not........but none of the people have had a taste for harder mobs. Most people that are writing this nonesense are low lvled archers.....I'm Currently lvl 54, I can solo orcs, i have had a feel for battle...I solo alot or duo with a cleric. So, here is what you actually need to know. Dex, makes no difference at a higher lvl....i rarely evade attacks from an orc. Everyone keeps shutting down END saying, oh no dont go end but, ill tell u it sure helps....Str is nothing at a higher lvl....You wont be able to kill things before they get to you unless you use the "wussy" archer strategy.

THE WUSSY STRATEGY- Get all you Dot on the mob and run as fast as u can until the mob is almost about to start healing again and blast it with everythign you've got.....

orcs still get to me but you can compensate this by adding end which helps alot....i made a random alt that tried the str idea and its bad and useless at high lvls.....nothing really you cna do with an archer but keep the 25 spr and add some good ole' def on that archer and he will be one bad moma jama.....

If you don;t like this idea, you don't have to, all i know is for the mean time it works for me....

NOTE TO GM's: GIVE ARCHERS MORE SKILLS(and i dont mean more DoT, we have enough)

ARCHER REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!

[Allnighte]

i'm a 58 archer, and everyone says "higher mobs don't miss. therefore dex is useless" isn't quite accurate. when you hit level 45ish, you really usually only kill orange/red mobs. greens and yellows just don't give good exp. and of course red mobs don't miss as often as green and yellow.

but when i'm killing green (prisoners) and yellow (karasians), they still miss quite a bit. even though i only have a few dex points in my gear and jewelry.

so the reason why people say dex is useless at higher levels is because you're usually grinding super red mobs (like in AEW or FOS), and no duh those mobs won't miss.

[Rzpect]

lol dude DEX gives u evasion/Aim and u are already an archer when you level they will put alot of point into DEX so you don't need to add any into DEX well you stil but not like 25 or full that is just stupid you learn your evasion passive skill so what is the point of wasting more point into DEX, archer is not about luck so dont put everything on DEX go for str/end because you have more chance of surviving when u solo and u can kill faster

[lightningmystix]

I'm adding END.
Not much to say, since I'm not high leveled =___="

[blazedaces]

This is absolutely ridiculous... orcs don't miss at lvl 54... I honestly don't believe you...

Ok what would full end give you... about 200 more hp... what is that from an orc... at your level I'm sure its about 150 hp or so... maybe higher... so you're now able to be hit once more... except at your level it should take about 10 hits or more to get that low...

And I don't care what you say because I know I get missed more then 1/10 hits from a harkan and I'm lvl 44 and I just don't battle orcs enough to remember... but if you're gonna be missed 1/10 times or more then what in the frekin world is the difference?! Except that dex also gives you more aim and higher red mobs that you attack a lot in parties ... it helps even with a tier 1 aim scroll it helps you still don't hit them every time...

[Zaeraki]

Like Blazedaces said, dex, mnyeh, not much of a difference in the end run.. An aim/evasion scroll could do you more good than 50 points in DEX, pointless unless you go 25 SPR rest DEX then almost always use aim scrolls and evasion scrolls.

[lordyasha]

Why do you need dex/ vit at lvl 50+

You can use tier2/3 aim scrolls and vit scroll+ cleric's endure. with this your lvl 50 archer should have about 2000 HP wthout free vit. This is already good enough for solo.

I started solo orc at lvl 47 without cleric. I had no prob killing orc without extra Hp or Aim.

You miss alot, cuz you don't use tier2/3 aim scroll. If you are lvl 50+, you should have a char who can make tier2~3 aim scroll.

At lvl 50+, you need to shoot 2 times more to kill mobs with full end archer.

For archers- full str or 25 spr+ all str is the best so far. Full spr? you can cover crit% with cash suits.

[Angia]

This is my own opinion dont look down on me just that I am a lvl 35 Archer crossbow ok. =)

I was training at Goblin Camp (mobs procks, goblin, goblin swordsman, sand mushroom). This is a duo situation ok.

Here I shall start when I didnt use scrolls I have hard time for a cleric to heal me and keeping me alive, till I make some tier 1 scrolls it start to make a difference. When I started to use the agility scrolls it start to miss me like chances of 7/10 still better than taking full hit 10 out of 10.

When I have sufficient capital I started to use a tier 2 scrolls like agility. the chances of hitting me is decrease to 4-5/10 still evading most of the time. which I find it quite good and manage to survive. (dont you think scrolls save ur life) =P

If you want to be more survival, use tier 1 scrolls like vitality, magic def, def scrolls.

In addition of higher survival or more capital you have. You could use all the tier 2 scrolls like vitality, magic def, def scrolls.

Not to mention that I can handled 2-4 mobs that try to mob me out because I intends to aggro alot and I cant cast out nature protection which will end up killing my cleric.

My stats looks like these

STR 98 + 15
DEX 106 + 15
END 80 + 2
INT 48
SPR 70 + 7

In addition to these all my equips are normal except for my lvl 30 crossbow +2
Thank you for looking at my post I hope you like it. =) If you dont nvm its bad
I know, dont have to say it. T.T

[lordyasha]

Well there is no fixed stat for any char. Free stat actully not much big deal.
you just need +9 bow, no matter what stat you have.

My archer is lvl 50, 40 str+ spr.. trying to get 25 spr..
anyway, I play duo with cleric often for orcs. Still orc rarely miss hit me. I have used tier2 nature scrolls once. but still I dont see much difference.

and about aim, with tier2 aim scroll, I rarely miss hitting trumpy.

Only bad thing about archer- lose money fast in full party. My sp stone last only 30-40 min. Maybe I shouldn't spam skills. I see some 45+ archers whos using only 1 skill per mob in party.

[Angia]

I have to agree with you i spam skills alot

i spam all my 4 skills just in onemob but we kill it fast with skills thats why.

[Lansciosz]

I got so much to learn, thnx to all of you guys !!!!

[xibou]

DEX statpoint evasion bonis are a separate save.
For example if you have +2% evasion every fifthieth attack on you will miss independant of mob's or opponent player's AIM or your own EVASION stats.

Further more DEX gives an AIM bonus which isn't THAT great but it's just a freeby (once you have leveled enough at least) anyway.

To rescroll bonis at level 50 (25SPR, 30 either END or DEX) while fighting ancient stonies(very very red):
DEX archer has
+9% AIM --> tier 1 power scroll
+6% EVASION --> impossible as ancient stonies won't miss you even with tier 3 evasion scroll
END archer has
+15 DEF --> tier 1 shield scroll
+150 HP --> tier 1 vitality scroll

So imo the END points bonis are easier to replace by scolls then DEX ones.

[lightningmystix]

IMO, Spr is most worthwhile.

I don't even have anything to back that up, it's just my opinion.

Why? Like what xibou said, everything is replaceable by scrolls. STR is the first to go off my list because it's not based on a percentage. What is +5 damage going to do at lvl 100? Then it's END off my list. I don't even know why I chose to go 25 SPR full END, but I have realized that it really doesn't benefit how little we receive from END. Then DEX, seems pretty useful, but the percentage is little.

That leaves me with SPR, useful because of crits and skills spamage. That's all I have to say, please don't argue, I have no backups, this is just my opinion. Have a good day ;D

[ren99]

STR cannot be replaced by scrolls...

[lightningmystix]

STR cannot be replaced by scrolls...

Okay, fine, STR isn't xD But I still think it's not worthwhile.

[Escobar390]

To be honest an archer's build isn't as straight forward of some of you may make it seem. Look at it this way, we don't have the luxury of going full on any given attribute (e.g. fighters going full END. mages going full SPR). Archers are meant to be hybrids. So analyze you attribute. For instance:

Dexterity:
Archers already have the best Aim so Dex isn't really a requirement. If you are missing mobs its not because you haven't spent enough in DEX its because they aren't for your level if you missing use a scroll. If you are banking on evade you already have a passive skill which boost the attribute so just go buy and evade scroll.

Endurance:
Well i think you have noticed by now that you pull mobs away from fighters much easier than any other class so there is a pretty good chance you are going take a hit. Better to survive the hit and be able to use Nature's Protection than take 2 quick hits and die. (quite possible with stonies in Forest of Slumber and clerics aren't gods so don't expect them to save you every time)

Spirit:
I mean you are a Damage Dealer (DD) you are suppose to be spamming skills so it helps that you aren't running out of SP every times you dump your skills not to mention the benefits of not having to restone every 5 minutes. Oh and did i mention crits yeah SPR boost that so you might want to increase your crit rate for obvious reasons.

Intelligence:
hmm next

Strength:
An archers best friend. If you understand your class then spending points on STR makes a lot of sense. Seeing as I love to break things down for people that don't understand things too well let me just say this ARCHERS ARE NOT MAGES WE ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE NUKING MOBS. Archers specialize in Damage Over Time (D.O.T). So if you take Power and Aimed Shot out of the equation how much damage do archers do with their DOT's.
Natures Mist
240-285 dmg + 40 dmg for 20sec

40x20 = 800+240 = 1040

Venomous Shot
146-172 dmg + 45dmg for 20 secs

45x20 = 900+146 = 1046

Bone Shot
263-309 dmg + 44 dmf for 12 sec

44x12 = 528+263 = 791

So here the fun part seeing as you job as an archer is a Damage Dealer should you not aim to do as much DAMAGE for the duration of your DOTs. So lets see can't remember right now how much i hit a Trumpy for again, lets round it off to say hmm 140 dmg. Your average time for a DOT is 20 secs. So here is some more math 140x20 = 2800

So lets add this up class.
2800+791+1046+1040

Gives a grand total of drum roll please.
5677

Whats missing from this equation idk Crits, Aim shot, Power Shot but thats more math for another day.

So come on guys stop making silly arguments about what is the best build there isn't one. The best archer has a balance build. I recommend you go half strength and divide the other half between END and SPR how ever you spend those points is up to you. But yeah the forum is full of these threads and i do agree Dex isn't meant for archers it helps but not worth the points in my opinion. Good I have had my say i am done now got that off my chest :D. Think I am going to repost damage stats in Mage thread just to be mean :p
But come on guys its getting old. Well good luck guys and all the best :D

Oh P.S.
My Nature's Protection post is catching dust :mad: help me keep it going so the lower levels aren't totally lost to its purpose. Later guys :D

[ren99]

...
Your average time for a DOT is 20 secs.
...
So lets add this up class.
2800+791+1046+1040

Gives a grand total of drum roll please.
5677


Then DPS within the 20sec = 5677 / 20 = 283.85
Not too bad, i think

[kmedagreat]

Intelligence:
hmm next



hahas that sounds funny to me:D

[lightningmystix]

I think Escobar390 has a good point ;O Though I admit I never read all of it, since it is math ^^"
Everything is useful if you think about it hard enough. Except for INT xD

[Aegyen]

I dont get on the forums enough, so I am usually playing catchup..

But here's some advice that has worked well for me (my build)..

STR - good attribute, adds to the damage, but not that significantly, unless you go full, bad idea..

DEX - you are an archer, aim and evasion is what you are all about. In your 40s, you and every other archer are going to become level fanatics, of course you are going to be fighting red and yellow mobs most of the time. If you realize the weaknesses and strengths of your class, you know that soloing is going to be expensive in pots/stones, so you are most likely going to pair with a cleric (fantastic duo, btw) (Trumpy luv is mine!.. you cant have any.. go away.. ) But, it takes aim to hit these, the higher your aim, the more damage you are going to do to them. AIM is your key to damage!! Yes, yes, I know, use a scroll... Hear it all the time, and yes, you will need a scroll, for crying out loud, you are fighting mobs that are 20+ higher in levels, but it will come down to the scroll you use, and its much cheaper to use Tier 1 aims, than to find and buy Tier 2....

Evasion - if you fight in many GWs, or you farm for mats, the bonuses you get for having added to dex, become apparent very fast. 1. You get missed A LOT by green mobs. 2. You get missed OFTEN by yellow mobs. 3. You are using less stones which = more time farming. Hmm. win, win?... GWs - any class near you in level will miss, do less damage, hate the damge you deal out, generally call you every thing but archer... :eek:

DEX is key!! Now, I am not saying go full dex... Pure anything is self limiting... but dont be afraid to put +25 into it, you will see the return..
Dont believe me, ask a few who have partied with me, or a few who have fought me in wars... :cool:

END - might be worth points, I dont buy all the end build talk... I do like having equipment that adds to it, but lets face it, the def additions are not all that much, the hp additions are more, which = def in a round about way..:rolleyes: Still, worth some points, especially if you feel like you have to tank (why, I'll never know, maybe a secret desire to have been a fighter? .. :rolleyes:) Additonal bonus - some reduction in damage when you do take a hit, but again, if you know how to play an archer, and aren't trying to be a pseudo-fighter, you wont take hits at all.

That last is going to create some comebacks, I know.. :rolleyes:

But lets face it, at higher levels, unless you really like the slow grinding approach, you are going to be in parties, most, if not all of the time. You are going to be in a duoing as well. If you have learned to use your skills, you are going to take maybe one hit. Thats if you pull the mob for your duo. If you are in an aoe party, you can take 0 hits. Haha! I can see all the dumbfounded looks now.. :eek: Go back, and learn to use your NP guys! Read Egolus' guide! The key to using it effectively is there. Its a party/duo skill, not a solo skill, learn to use it! You're not a tank, stop trying to be one!

INT - boo hiss... I R archer, not mage!!

SPR - 25 points in it = 5% crit bonus.. end of discussion.. :cool:

Skill empowerment - The one area I wish I could redo (maybe Outspark has Skill point reset cards coming? :) ) NP - max the cooldown (end of discussion) Aim shot/Power shot - max the damage.. DoT skills - increase the time - but, save for venomous aoe :cool: Spend the rest in sp reduction on the more costly ones. Learned this as I went, wish I could redistribute some points now (hindsight)

It's a discussion guys/gals, we all have our own approaches... I am merely choosing to share with you what has worked for me... If you are happy with what you have built, cool... If you are looking at building an archer, this is merely one of many builds to consider...

Let the flaming, arguing, bickering begin...

[dandw]

ufortunately a level 35 warrior with +9 shield can slowly solo orcs....

[nedivar]

in the long run you won't need the dex cause you'll get enough as an archer just use a damn scroll. also if you put up anything put up spr for you skills and end so you don't much like me.




apoline
clair_r archer lvl 22
clair_s fighter lvl 15

I might have low lvls but i play enough rpg to know wat i'm talking about!!!