POW/STA or POW/AGI

[thrakx]

I am going with a POW/AGI build for my pred.

discuss!

[Claiomh.Solais]

At least throw in a ratio, as it is there's nothing to discus =/

[thrakx]

POW/AGI or POW/STA, I figured that putting POW in front would indicate its dominance. As to ratios
I say for myself:
4 to 1 or 5 to 1 POW to whatever your choice is.

[talonmas]

So, you will get 10-20 agility. What do you expect that will acomplish? Think you get -0.1 sec attack speed after 17 or so? Instead of 170 hp... hmm. Don't think you'll dodge or something like that, cause it wont help you with that low agi.

If you wanna be different, may I suggest you add MEN instead of agi? That way you will get good crit rate, and you will be able to spam skills faster.

[thrakx]

i actually have MEN and AGI tied
I wanted to see if AGI being higher would help crit rates and dodge; so are you saying that if i want to make my dodge better i need even more AGI? i know that but i was just trying to see what other pred builds are like and what peeple are doing
My build is admittedly not the best at my lvl 45, but what about at lvl 60 or 70? or even higher. This thread is to discuss pro's and con's of differnt aco builds so dont be all flamey

[Claiomh.Solais]

i actually have MEN and AGI tied
I wanted to see if AGI being higher would help crit rates and dodge; so are you saying that if i want to make my dodge better i need even more AGI? i know that but i was just trying to see what other pred builds are like and what peeple are doing
My build is admittedly not the best at my lvl 45, but what about at lvl 60 or 70? or even higher. This thread is to discuss pro's and con's of differnt aco builds so dont be all flamey

He's not flaming, just saying.

You see, even neophytes who get +10 dodge from a skill and have a lot of agi (easily 35+ agi) and who also probably get a higher dodge from their agi than a disciple would, still get hit by mobs, not a lot but still. Now, a disciple, with just -20 agi and nothing else to improve dodge wouldn’t really have much of a use for it. Sure, you will dodge more than a disciple with no agi at all, but not so much as to make up for the extra HP you would have if all those points where on sta instead of agi. Now, for the other things agi raises, the - 0.1 to attack speed is not significant, even neos with an attack speed of around 0.9 per sec and higher, while fast and capable of using normal hits between skills, still need to rely on skills to kill things. With just that little faster normal attack, it wouldn’t make much of a difference even if you already where throwing one normal attacks between every skill. Then, for the crit rate, it will give you a nice skill crit, but men would actually raise both skill and normal crit as high while at the same time giving you better hit rate (later on, missing on enemies can get quite frequent and annoying) and less delay between skills (which will help a lot if you’re the type of person who just spams skills.) And finally, what could be the redeeming factor for such a build, along with the little although still useful increases agi would give you, is that the increase to your attack would still be decent enough, so it wouldn’t really be a lose.

So, is agi worth it?. Hard to say, it will help, that much is a fact but only actually trying the build out would tell us if it pays or not in the long run. You should realize though that small amounts won’t help, so instead of a normal ratio build, I would decide a ratio and then multiply it by 8, 9 or 10, so you first get a decent amount of pow, and then go for the agi or whatever other secondary stat/stats you are heading. Also, remember that for agi, stopping at 17 is a very good cap (at least till you can afford to go up another 17 or 16 points).

[StriderHiryu]

I'm going POW/MEN. More usage of Force Blast = more chance to stun and crit ALOT. I'm only getting 16MEN, since that is good enough to spam with from what i've seen with Haruko. Once im done with MEN, I will be raising POW/STAM. POW/AGI imo wouldnt be great...since Disciples don't get the AGI bonus like neos do, thus we wont be dodging as much.

So, POW/MEN or POW/STAM would be good to go with in IMO.

[thrakx]

i havent been on for a while but thanks for the responses guys it was a BIG adjust going from aco to disc. and it took me a whole minute to get used to it. That neo stuff helped a bit tho cliao thanks. Hopefully i can redeem my build in the end with STA after this. I still think my base works well Also i did AGI for running speed.

[Claiomh.Solais]

i havent been on for a while but thanks for the responses guys it was a BIG adjust going from aco to disc. and it took me a whole minute to get used to it. That neo stuff helped a bit tho cliao thanks. Hopefully i can redeem my build in the end with STA after this. I still think my base works well Also i did AGI for running speed.

Agi won't give you running speed, the guides on the official SoS site are wrong =/ It works for neos cause they have a skill that increases walking speed in relation to agi, but that’s it.

[thrakx]

well thank god for expensive stat restets. Yeah my build was terrible. I fixed it though after the MEN went out the window. Mostly POW now and STA. Put my agi at 8. seemed to help running speed even though you said it doesnt?
I just know for a fact that i move faster with 8 AGI than i did when i ran around with like 3 or 4. My men is still low but, it still affects crits right? thanks for input guys

[Summoner_Shiina]

My build is also POW/MEN. This is because your skill rate becomes faster as Strider said. It also lets you spam force Blast, so the more dmagae you do in a shorter amount of time, the better a Disciple you will be ^^. But don't forget STA also.... >.>





Chun-Li lvl 6X Disciple

[Storm_Shepherd]

what would the stat ratio for Pow/sta to make a good disciple? 4/1 or what ever

[StriderHiryu]

what would the stat ratio for Pow/sta to make a good disciple? 4/1 or what ever

What I did was....i resetted since...the MEN thing isnt as fast anymore, I got 10 stam and rest into POW.

[MarvHartigan]

so, noone (of the high lvl disciples/templar) recommends the pow/men build anymore?
Despite of the skill speed u keep getting the other benefits criticals rate and hit rate...
I have an scout friend who told me he has a speed improvement at skill at 20+ men...

so, are still there any disc with the build pow/men or everyone reseted and change?

Adios!

[StriderHiryu]

so, noone (of the high lvl disciples/templar) recommends the pow/men build anymore?
Despite of the skill speed u keep getting the other benefits criticals rate and hit rate...
I have an scout friend who told me he has a speed improvement at skill at 20+ men...

so, are still there any disc with the build pow/men or everyone reseted and change?

Adios!

Well for some reason archers werent affected by the slow down of the MEN issue....And i'm not sure if every single disciple resetted their stats, but i'm pretty sure theyre some out there sstill with POW/MEN for the additional Hit and crit.

[thrakx]

yeah i just went POW/STA now cause i already have like 7 MEN and i can always put points in MEN later on, but the STA really helps me solo NOW. LOL.
Thanks for the input Chun i thought about a build like yours i really did, then while i was considering it, that MEN bug happened. I am soooo far behind now busy busy real life