Collision (Of bad Taste :S)

[Deveous01]

http://www.bebo.com/PhotoAlbumBig.jsp?MemberId=4520575752&PhotoAlbumId=6595599590&PhotoId=6595655425

The above link is screen shots i have of your members/master/admins Warring us while we are training. They must of had a good reason you say?. Well if my party are restricted from an area of the map- because they claim it is thier training spot, Then yes they did. I was not aware that characters were able to claim an area of the map as "Thiers", and i dont think there was any need to war. This is just another classic example of those in game bullies, who find it fun to to make people feel like they are inadequate and cannot grasp the difference between Real Life and "Its Only A Game". This is not to say that all of Collision are bad, but i think it is fair to say that if one member is to show poor taste it reflects on the whole of the guild. When asking the character shown (Reni) what the problem was, She replied " I told u to move from our spot A Hole", But because i did not screen shot that comment it doesnt matter does it?. But thats not the point- I wanna know what u guys think of people like this? Should the GMs Crack down on in game bullies, post what u think.. Agree/Disagree I do not judge :)

[ngbt5525]

http://www.bebo.com/PhotoAlbumBig.jsp?MemberId=4520575752&PhotoAlbumId=6595599590&PhotoId=6595655425

The above link is screen shots i have of your members/master/admins Warring us while we are training. They must of had a good reason you say?. Well if my party are restricted from an area of the map- because they claim it is thier training spot, Then yes they did. I was not aware that characters were able to claim an area of the map as "Thiers", and i dont think there was any need to war. This is just another classic example of those in game bullies, who find it fun to to make people feel like they are inadequate and cannot grasp the difference between Real Life and "Its Only A Game". This is not to say that all of Collision are bad, but i think it is fair to say that if one member is to show poor taste it reflects on the whole of the guild. When asking the character shown (Reni) what the problem was, She replied " I told u to move from our spot A Hole", But because i did not screen shot that comment it doesnt matter does it?. But thats not the point- I wanna know what u guys think of people like this? Should the GMs Crack down on in game bullies, post what u think.. Agree/Disagree I do not judge :)

u already wrote the same stuff in another thread -.- stop double posting

[JerichoCrost]

Not to start a flame war but I think Collision making Reni as an Admin shows how blind and ignorant Collision is. They take no action in the actions Reni has done in the pass and present it seems. I have many bad rolls with Reni before and like I stated before I know a lot about each person in this game (those I happen to come across). See, when you're a guild master you tend to pick up traits of others whether or not someone told you about the person or you see it with your own eyes. It may just be me but everyone seems to let you in on others.

Who was there first? I mean there is no right to label a certain grind area as "our spot" but being the socially respective prime apes that we are with a big enough brain to send rockets into space it should also be in our common sense to respect others. One thing though, when the grind area is not big enough for the two parties the party that comes after should respect the personal space of others and allow them to grind in peace. If two parties get there at the same time and conflict arise, the better party should back out of the area. Does this mean if your party allow the other party to take the grind spot make it so that your party is better? I believe so. Not in terms of power or grind level, but in terms of spirit of the mind to understand others when they don't even understand themselves. I partially blame Outspark for not opening up more areas, expecting the server to get 79 with just AeW and FoS seems pretty ridiculous to me. It's possible with some scratching and biting but still, it's ridiculous.

A story... second thought, I better not. Nonetheless waring outside of town is against the rules I think and this is nowhere near friendly. It comes down to this... when you're war upon for such an outrages reason, sharpen your sword and eat them stones and potions, play dirty if you must because seemingly the other person that war like this is no better than you are, send a few people back to town, done.

[Scadel]

drama drama.

even when i'm on my break.

when will this ever end.

i'll speak to reni bout this.

sorry for the trouble caused.

PS. No offence but try to learn some basic grinding ettiqiue, if someone is in the spot first, wait for your turn. its basic manners and respect. Imagine you happily grinding and someone comes to mess up your spawn and stuff especially when you're on extenders/1.2x. Wouldn;t you be really ticked off as well? Well i am not siding with anyone and reni has her faults as well but maybe there are other alternatives to invading someone else's spot. Just my two golds. :3

[JerichoCrost]

Seva I seriously thought you died. LOL (j/k)

Glad to see you well and breathing. I quit this game.

[Saluyac]

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[Saluyac]

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[Deveous01]

Umm just to clear something up the area was big enough for two parties- especially since it was only reni and her cleric- i dont think they need 50 monsters at a time -_-

I think its b2- but ill check that out ... of the fos map- if u visited u would clearly see that there was plenty of room for reni and her cleric to share with our party :)
but keep the opinions coming

Oh p.s- sorry bout double post - my bf posted the first- wasn't aware :D

Oh and one more thing... Yes i do use CS items- xp booster etc.

[MrSlashy]

o_O

Thanks Deveous01.

For letting us know of this info.

I'll try and help to fix this.

[ScoobyDoo]

Hmm Dude maybe there is no something called ppl own the area for grinding
but still, we need to respect ppl who come to that area first
if they told u already to leave the area and u still dont want to do that then u take the risk by ur own and dont blame ppl to war

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7229/coverqj0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[jala81]

If an issue is raised, it's good to know the whole story. What you say here Deveous, looks more like your side of events. There are many who will claim something else happened there.

Just because you posted first doesn't mean you're the one who's right. All that fuss against Collision won't take you anywhere. Everybody knows Collision are among the best guilds ever, and those who know the members well can tell the real truth from a talltale. If you're having issues with people, address them personally, don't flame a whole guild via forum posts.

Even posting a guild's name in the thread title, in order to lower their reputation, can be considered flaming too.

[Zixia]

/points @ Seva

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PS. No offence but try to learn some basic grinding ettiqiue, if someone is in the spot first, wait for your turn. its basic manners and respect. Imagine you happily grinding and someone comes to mess up your spawn and stuff especially when you're on extenders/1.2x. Wouldn;t you be really ticked off as well? Well i am not siding with anyone and reni has her faults as well but maybe there are other alternatives to invading someone else's spot. Just my two golds. :3

[Stryfe]

Let me start with this.

For what its worth, I apologize to anyone whose feelings were hurt because of this. =P

Now, it's been touched upon something called Leveling Etquitte. If someone is in that area first, you should let them have it. Its common respect, and there are always to settle disputes. Talking thngs through is one of them. (Read Seva's "PS").

From what I was told, Reni stayed in that one spot and just killed what was there. You kept passing by and taking the spawns there, and although she asked nicely for you to go, you ignored her. Even after War was declared, she didn't chase after you trying to kill you either, she just attacked whenever you got near. All this is seems be proven by your screenshots. If you notice all 3 screens, Reni stays in that same area of the map.

And Reni says she didn't curse, and she ever rarely does, and I believe her. Lastly, I find it odd that you couldnt take a screenshot of her doing so. It's not like the chatspam in Uruga was enough to warrant its passing. In the end, the only thing "distasteful" was your intentions to thread and the way you tried to twist things like that to get your point across.

@Seva, there is no drama. It's not significant enough to be drama. :p

@Saluyac, they knew someone had the spot. So its not about a lack of information. It was blatant. Also, "Talking things out" didn't work did it?

@Jeri, you say you don't want to start a flame war and then you come up with something like that? Was anything you said really necessary in this thread? Also Reni was voted in by the guild as an Admin and they, nor I, have no regrets in that decision. Sure, she has her faults, but who doesn't? She does a damn fine job either way.

When you're a "Guild Master", you tend to form bonds with the people in your guild. You become friends with them, and make it an obligation to know who they are.

Reni is my friend before she's my guildmember. I'll stick up and defend her to the best of my abilities without ignoring the facts. Although it wasnt exactly the right thing to do by warring, it certainly wasnt irrational given the circumstances, as other methods were attmpted and the follow through wasn't terrible either. It isnt as if they followed you all around the map.

@Jala *Starts Slow Clap*

[JerichoCrost]

I do admit that my post did seem provocative. Since I don't play this game anymore and is not a member of any specific guild I don't have the power I had before. My post have some say in this I believe. Forgive me for making such a post but if you've been in such situations that I have been with Reni, you'd understand. She is not a totally messed up Admin and in my point of view she isn't a great one either. I wouldn't make her admin though. What matters what I think right? I know a lot of people who dislikes Reni and there were wars that spewed from it before, which I witnessed it with my own eyes. It could go both ways.

I do in every way try to extend my hands out as friendship first. Do you like scenarios Claude? I have a few and I'll lay them out for you.

Scenario #1: Lets say one day you were hunting GGK and you find this archer girl that you've never seen before. She seems to not have a party. Being a lv47 cleric, you buff her and all. She follows your party to a GGK room, that's fine. Low and behold a treasure is in the room! With a lot of mobs in there but no GGK. You clear the mobs and when you finally work your butt off to clear the last Imp, you see this archer girl running from behind you and grabs the treasure to herself. "Oy! That's our treasure!" The archer girl, "Noobs" and runs off. You have two options, "Eh! We should be friends ok? Even though you kind of jacked our treasure and called us noobs and run off, it is fine we should just be friends" or keep things to yourself and keep in mind how this archer behaved.

Scenario #2: You and Meek gave a costume to the first guild member to reach lv59. She looked gorgeous in the devilish costume along with her +5 Pole Axe. She helps you level in Uruga since you're still a few levels below cap. Then along came this archer girl again, wait you remember her. Your friend, "You know that archer girl has never talked to me before until I got this costume." You, "Really?" Sure enough the archer girl came, "Nice costume". Your friend, "Thank you". You, "I see what you mean". Two options, "Hi archer girl you want to be friends, wait she left already" or keep things to yourself and know a little more about this archer and her motivations.

Scenario #3: Your party is grinding in AeW at the herb area. Killing mobs while farming for money. You've been there for about an hour. Along came this archer girl again. You know her. The archer girl started farming the herbs while you kill the mobs. Seems like she's herb leeching? You tell your party not to say anything in thoughts that she is respectful enough to realize that there's a party there. She continues to farm while you kill the mobs. Two options, "Hi archer girl, want to be friends? Even though you're taking our revenue and not respecting our personal space" or go ahead and let her have the herbs and keep things to yourself because you kind of get the image of what kind of person she is now.

Scenario #4: ... I better not.

I will say this much though, trust me when you hear a story from your side and then a story from the other side it is always different. I know this why? I get a complaint about every few days. It is hard to believe which side is right and which side isn't and that spirals down to different point of views. You are blind and deaf if you don't see and hear from both sides before you justify. But I see quite a lot Claude, at times with my own eyes.

I have a few more, but seeing as my posts has no significant in this situation what so ever and I don't have the screens I should probably shut up and keep to myself for now on. Then why am I even making this post, I must be crazy.

I am wrong I do have a screen while you were on a break Claude.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n245/xyang209/uchiha.jpg

Kind of gets me thinking. I am not here to slander the Guild, just posting if it is of any significant or not.

[THExCORRUPTED]

A WAR OVER A SPOT! Deviant_Saints will not stand for this ever again!

[Kaiza]

I do admit that my post did seem provocative. Since I don't play this game anymore and is not a member of any specific guild I don't have the power I had before. My post have some say in this I believe. Forgive me for making such a post but if you've been in such situations that I have been with Reni, you'd understand. She is not a totally messed up Admin and in my point of view she isn't a great one either. I wouldn't make her admin though. What matters what I think right? I know a lot of people who dislikes Reni and there were wars that spewed from it before, which I witnessed it with my own eyes. It could go both ways.

I do in every way try to extend my hands out as friendship first. Do you like scenarios Claude? I have a few and I'll lay them out for you.

Scenario #1: Lets say one day you were hunting GGK and you find this archer girl that you've never seen before. She seems to not have a party. Being a lv47 cleric, you buff her and all. She follows your party to a GGK room, that's fine. Low and behold a treasure is in the room! With a lot of mobs in there but no GGK. You clear the mobs and when you finally work your butt off to clear the last Imp, you see this archer girl running from behind you and grabs the treasure to herself. "Oy! That's our treasure!" The archer girl, "Noobs" and runs off. You have two options, "Eh! We should be friends ok? Even though you kind of jacked our treasure and called us noobs and run off, it is fine we should just be friends" or keep things to yourself and keep in mind how this archer behaved.

Scenario #2: You and Meek gave a costume to the first guild member to reach lv59. She looked gorgeous in the devilish costume along with her +5 Pole Axe. She helps you level in Uruga since you're still a few levels below cap. Then along came this archer girl again, wait you remember her. Your friend, "You know that archer girl has never talked to me before until I got this costume." You, "Really?" Sure enough the archer girl came, "Nice costume". Your friend, "Thank you". You, "I see what you mean". Two options, "Hi archer girl you want to be friends, wait she left already" or keep things to yourself and know a little more about this archer and her motivations.

Scenario #3: Your party is grinding in AeW at the herb area. Killing mobs while farming for money. You've been there for about an hour. Along came this archer girl again. You know her. The archer girl started farming the herbs while you kill the mobs. Seems like she's herb leeching? You tell your party not to say anything in thoughts that she is respectful enough to realize that there's a party there. She continues to farm while you kill the mobs. Two options, "Hi archer girl, want to be friends? Even though you're taking our revenue and not respecting our personal space" or go ahead and let her have the herbs and keep things to yourself because you kind of get the image of what kind of person she is now.

Scenario #4: ... I better not.

I will say this much though, trust me when you hear a story from your side and then a story from the other side it is always different. I know this why? I get a complaint about every few days. It is hard to believe which side is right and which side isn't and that spirals down to different point of views. You are blind and deaf if you don't see and hear from both sides before you justify. But I see quite a lot Claude, at times with my own eyes.

I have a few more, but seeing as my posts has no significant in this situation what so ever and I don't have the screens I should probably shut up and keep to myself for now on. Then why am I even making this post, I must be crazy.

I am wrong I do have a screen while you were on a break Claude.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n245/xyang209/uchiha.jpg

Kind of gets me thinking. I am not here to slander the Guild, just posting if it is of any significant or not.

Jeri, just think, when he was activ last time?

I think people should respect others while grind. When i go to navar or shylph and see people grind there i ALWAYS ask to grind there too. I respect all others, and i think people should SHARE AND RESPECT each other, like in real life. Or are we all selfish and go take spots where others already are?

[JerichoCrost]

Jeri, just think, when he was activ last time?

I think people should respect others while grind. When i go to navar or shylph and see people grind there i ALWAYS ask to grind there too. I respect all others, and i think people should SHARE AND RESPECT each other, like in real life. Or are we all selfish and go take spots where others already are?

I believe so too.

[Terranwolf]

Jeri, just think, when he was activ last time?

I think people should respect others while grind. When i go to navar or shylph and see people grind there i ALWAYS ask to grind there too. I respect all others, and i think people should SHARE AND RESPECT each other, like in real life. Or are we all selfish and go take spots where others already are?

Exactly the way it should be. That's how I have always played MMOs.

[Kaiza]

Exactly the way it should be. That's how I have always played MMOs.

I play MMO since long long long LONG time already. And its nothing to do with OWN a spot but, with respecting others who were there first. I always talk to the people who go into the spot i am grinding, and if it's not help i talk to their Guild Master, after that i would GW too. Because i think it's not fair, if i am somewhere about 1~3 hours or longer/shorter and suddenly people come and take the mobs.

[Saluyac]

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[THExCORRUPTED]

Sal with his words of wisdom.........just get this guy to solve problems, i nominate sal to be a GM

[THExCORRUPTED]

more info: Kissaten in Deviant_Saints was also killed in this stupid war, she was afk in shop in town and they thought it would be funny to kill her also. a war over a spot, that can be shared easily. there are 2 sides to the spot, dev on one reni on the other.....

[THExCORRUPTED]

its understandable if you are clearly getting none of the mobs, or they are ksing you. but dev isn't that kinda person. I've known her a very long time, so naturally i would choose her side. but looking at both sides Dev clearly has a reason to complain. I have no beef against Collision, but Reni however...the bad apple of the guild in my opinion.

[theren88]

u werent even there so butt out tyvm

[jaminxcore]

woah somewhere is getting a bit touchy ^_^

[Kaiza]

Collision is NOT an KSing Guild also, we are just KSing if people come to us and pull the mobs we normaly kill around us. People can ask if they can grind there too or not? It is an MMO where community got an high priorty too.

I always talk to people, but people never respect others, and still stealing mobs. And thats not right, like KSing.

Corrupted... Can you please use the edit button instead of TRIPPLE posting?

[Saluyac]

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[Saluyac]

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[Deveous01]

Yeah you are one of the best huh?- which is why today u spawn killed another guild and had 5 different guilds war u ...hmmmmm..... wonder why

[Deveous01]

OK kaiza- Firstly this had nothing to do with ksing- if u read properly i said she shot the mob i taunted, since i hadnt hit them nobody was ksing- the issue was warring while i was lvling- and u guys are jus lucky i have not posted a formal complaint- Does reni have the pictures? tell me that- no because shes a manipulative liar and has seriously sumthing wrong in her life. Did she call me an A HOLE?? YES SHE DID- AND RENI U KNOW IT SO DONT TRY PLAY MISS INNOCENT and dont complain about my double posts unless gm assigned u to the forums - mind ur own business and let me teach u kids an important lesson in life- which obviously u never were taught :( If u go to school, had a job,caught a bus even- u cant have the whole cafeteria,office building, all the bus seats to urself- wether u were there first or not sorry kiddos- so start practicing real word equitty :) and umm i would think the chars trying to hog all the mob would be the selfish ones :P not the ones who came along hoping to share - Your seriously confused .

[Deveous01]

And sal i know we sorted this stuff but if u want me to stop posting -dont be a hypocrit huh? If u read there were alot of posts from collision to- GMs hold no favouritism either :P

[Saluyac]

"online arguments are like the special Olympics-

-even if you win-

-you're still retarded."

im just going to think of this every time im about to join one.

[kingp]

omg i wish i can log on right now cuz im in coll im a new member by the way and i dont think they are so bad but i i dont know them much by the way just seem like ok ppl to me

[kingp]

and i need to change my sig im no longer master of heros but i will be when it get back up running again

[kingp]

oh and sall is right u are retard if u win or loose and i have to many firends in this game to choose sides cuz 90% of the times both sides are my friends

[gld1target]

it looks like i'm going to stand out my opinion abt this issue. well if u ask me...a pty cannot claim an area for themselves (or as personal space) jus bcoz they arrived at the spot first.....or because that pty is stronger......or watever. everybody here in this game have the same intentions as anybody else .....meaning..... lvling....doing quests.....become stronger...blah..blah..blah...yada...yada...yada. my reason is based on few things......
1) time zones differ.....(there is always someone else b4 u in the spot where u want to grind)
2) server traffic....(high and low......u can never predict.......but high traffic results in GW usually bcoz of silly issues like this one :D)
3) server event such as inc exp or drop rate

so in my opinion, IFF the guild war was started jus because 2 ptys wanted to grind in the same spot shows the immaturity of the pty (or the person) that started the war (or asked the other pty to leave jus bcoz they were there first) and the guild shd also take some responsibility (if not all) for that ptys' or the persons' action for declaring a GW against the other (the pty that arrived at the grinding spot later)

[jala81]

Dev, for the last time, if you publicly offend other people, I'll have to report you too (it's so simple). If you're a hating person, no need to flame anybody so you can express your hatred. And instead of judging everybody, you better start mind YOUR own business. Each person has their own life, and you are in no position to play God or whatever and reprimand them on everything they do or not.

From your last post, it can be clearly deduced that you bear no good feelings to anyone involved in this drama, especially members of Collision. And you'd rather flame and insult those people, instead of solving your issue. Which is a bad thing, too.

[Jhanniss]

I like flames over my BBQ chicken, not in the forums. :P

Closing the thread, please resolve yourselves in-game if you can. At least kiss and make up. :3