Lvl requirement at Collapsed Prison gate!!!!

[bigredd22]

this is a re post from a previous thread
but i still wanna talk more
so wat do u guys think?
there should be a lvl requirement for cp
becuz there is too many ksers and low lvl mob lurers in there
i lose alot of xp
it sucks
lvl req at least 30
i solo alot at cp and i hate being ksed or killed from a mob lurer
its just a thought wats everyone else think?

[bigredd22]

*crickets* *crickets*

[bigredd22]

>>>>>>bump<<<<<<<<<

[XpierulesX]

What about people who party level 29 clerics? I've seen many 20-29 clerics there.. OFf-topic:[i]When[i/] did you get your account back? :\

[HotRed]

Yeah that idea is not fair for most of the players!

A good leader of the Guild for example wants to train their low levels and what they often do is to bring them in a High Level Area like Collapsed Prison!

I don't think so we need that level requirements to enter in there! :rolleyes:

For the Clerics especially!

One Mage asked for a help before!

One Cleric and I as a Fighter went there with that Mage to train! :)

Cleric is healing that Mage and what I was doing is to stun the mobs lol! ^_^

[bigredd22]

ok but if u wanna lvl a guild mate take them to uruga
i solo at cp
and i hate being bugged by low lvls
most of them dont have guilds for 1
2nd they are annoying asking for a party after they ksed u

[generaldave]

Being KS'd and asked to join your party may annoy you, but it is still unfair to have level requirements in a common area of the game. There are special areas for certain levels already, why make the whole game after elderine that way?

There is nothing wrong with them going out and asking for a group.

Tell them "I'm sorry but we are full" or something like that and ask them to stop KS'ing. If they don't, move to an area where they wouldn't be able to get to. If you solo out there, that shouldn't be too hard for you to do.

Also, just like everyone else, if I want to help level a friend or a guild mate level up, that's where i take them. However, I always let them know that they shouldn't be there without a higher leveled friend and inform them of the unwritten KS rules.

[gobangwall86]

there's no point in adding lvl caps in non dungeon areas
noobs asking for plvling while ksing u is something not related to OS or the game but the player themselves, so pls...stop asking for lvl caps..it's nonsense
if they ks u..just run off somewhere or just use a town scroll and let the kser die or do w/e u can to get rid of him, once u ignore them enough they'll eventually leave

[-Leona-]

ok but if u wanna lvl a guild mate take them to uruga
i solo at cp
and i hate being bugged by low lvls
most of them dont have guilds for 1
2nd they are annoying asking for a party after they ksed u

It would be nice though for to have a minimum level req for most areas, that way people won't swarm in with their new characters asking for "can u plz power level me".

Currently i'm level 67 and so far not even once i've asked for power level, people should depend more on themselves and party with the people around their own levels. When u party with people that are 30 levels higher than u, u wont' do anything pretty much therefore you won't improve as a player.

In order to improve your playin style u need to go through challenges, find strategies see your mistakes and try to cover up your weaknesses by finding ways to counter them.

Of course is alright to have a friend take u to uruga and power level u since u already worked your way to level 50+ without power leveling, BUT when u see level 15 people spam u with invites and messages like "can u plz power level me" 100 times per minute NOW THAT IS ANNOYING.

A failure will make u stronger, a mistake will show u your errors, and if u are not given the opportunity to make mistakes in the beginning u will realize u have become a high level that knows nothing about handling themselves and will always depend on the help of others. I've seen fighters level 50+ that were afraid of tanking and would be the first ones to flee when the main tank would go down, THEIR EXCUSE: i'm not gonna lose exp to save a mage or cleric, let them save themselves, other times i've seen clerics that didn't heal or rez saying "y would i need to heal, there's another cleric, i like fighting and i hate healing". (and i'm talking level 50+ here)

[HotRed]

Okay that is really anoying but sometimes if you let them join you in a party or duo with them, and they got few exp points, they will say ok bye and thanks for the help! ^_^

It was happened to me many times before lol!

But if you are not in a mood to duo with them or to let them join in a party, then move somewhere that noob can't reach as the others said!

I was asked yesterday in a Moonlight Tomb by a Fighter to duo and I told her you'll die if you go with me 'coz mobs (Dungeon Zombie) are too hard to kill lol! ^_^

Arg, she was so desparate and still following me but when she saw the staffs lol, she stopped hahaha! ^_^

What I am trying to say is if you show them something which is scary, then they might leave you!

You know staff and Ice Vivi and Fire Vivi and so on are scary for the not high enough Fighters if they don't know how to play their character well!

Most of the annoying KSer and/or noob asking for a party are Fighter! No offence but it's true and don't worry I am a Fighter too lol! :p:D

[lightningmystix]

No, there should not be a level requirement.

If there's a thousand people begging to be with a party with you, ignore them. Seriously. If they KS, run a mob over them.

Not ALL low-levelers are noobs. At times, I go to CP with my guildies, just dancing there by that castle or getting a little plvl. There's nothing wrong with that. You can't put a level ban on all levels just because a few people bother you.

My two cents.

[-Leona-]

There is no offence but up so far most people asking me for power leveling are clerics, they think they can duo with a fighter even in high level areas, but to tel u the truth rather than having a duo with a low level that can't even heal right and if i'm going to use stones i prefer soloing, and i would never duo with another fighter, mage or archer cuz all they would do would be leech of experience while i keep wasting stones, pots and money, unless that person is a friend of mine to whom i offer my help.

I often offer my help to people but i dont' like people that come begging for help, i will help someone that i see it tries by himself and not begging for help but i will NOT help a beggar who spends 3 hours begging for help instead of doing something by himself :)



No, there should not be a level requirement.

If there's a thousand people begging to be with a party with you, ignore them. Seriously. If they KS, run a mob over them.

Not ALL low-levelers are noobs. At times, I go to CP with my guildies, just dancing there by that castle or getting a little plvl. There's nothing wrong with that. You can't put a level ban on all levels just because a few people bother you.

My two cents.

U don't understand the point :confused:, a level requirement will be great cuz it will seriously reduce the lag by reducing the number of people in one location, have u even see how many people are swarming uruga now? it would be nice because the people that want to grind there have a hard time lagging and end up dying because of the huge amount of low levels that prefer begging for p level instead of doing the things themselves.

[lightningmystix]

@ StarLeona

No, I'm not missing the point. I understand that it will stop lagging and flooding, especially of spammers and people begging for a plvl.

I go to Uruga, I'm 3x. I go there with a guild always, and if I can't take on the monster I try to find a way around it or die so I don't train everyone.

It's the person themselves that are making it annoying for higher levels. I NEVER, EVER ask for a plvl or a buff from anyone, if they decide to give me one that's great of them, they're very nice =D But I always go on my own business, and I don't bother people. If you add a level requirement on to a map, that'll just stop people from helping their friends or guildies.

Putting a level requirement on a map is like training every single 2x you see in a 3x map. You don't even know what they're there for, maybe they have something useful to do and won't bother you.

[-Leona-]

Of course u wouldn't like a level req because u will be held off uruga lol, i haven't said all the level 20-30-35 are annoying but a huge part of them are.

I still think u should not be in uruga and u should stick to Moonlight Tomb, Vine Tomb, Goblin Camp or MAYBE Collapsed Prison, those are areas fitted for your level, not Uruga which is a level 50 area WITH a level 60 dungeon, i'm sorry but from my point of view people who just come to uruga at levels under 40 are people refusing to work hard for their levels and prefer taking the easy way out with a fast and nice power level :). I myself haven't stepped foot in Uruga before level 43 and THAT was way before the gate was there therefore it took quite a challenge to get there without scrolls. I have never been power leveled or partied with people that were 5 or more higher level than me because i've always prefered to work for my achievements and gain the xp myself while being the leading Violin in most of the parties i was, i am, and i'll be in the future.

THIS is my opinion, it is not a law OR something that SHOULD BE 100% be added, i'm fully aware a lot of people won't agree with me, but in the same time i'm sure there are also a lot of people that DO agree with me.

ANOTHER IDEA that might make THINGS let's say better would be that every time u travel to an area u r first taken to an arena where u fight a average strong monster from that area
EXAMPLE:
Uruga - u fight 1 on 1 with an Orc
Goblin Camp - u fight 1 on 1 with a werebear
Collapsed Prison- u fight 1 on 1 with a vampire bat
AeW - i fight 1 on 1 with a Clover Trumpy
FoS - u fight 1 on 1 with a greedy lizard

If u survive the duel, u r allowed to pass through to the next area if not u die and lose 3x more exp than a normal death and are taken back to your previous location. THAT way u will be allowed in all areas but will think twice about going to a high level area.

[bigredd22]

thankyou leona for making that point
but it takes the fun out of the game
dont stick up for the lower lvls and if there not all noobs they shuld no better than to ks or beg for partys
i kno wen i was a low lvl i lvled on my own and i nvr ksed
u gotta do things on your own
collasped prison is a lvl 40+ area we do not need low lvls swarming in thinking they can get partys

[bigredd22]

like just now i was ksed and then he asked to join my guild
*shakes head*
see thats y there needs to be a lvl requirement

[lightningmystix]

Of course u wouldn't like a level req because u will be held off uruga lol, i haven't said all the level 20-30-35 are annoying but a huge part of them are.

I still think u should not be in uruga and u should stick to Moonlight Tomb, Vine Tomb, Goblin Camp or MAYBE Collapsed Prison, those are areas fitted for your level, not Uruga which is a level 50 area WITH a level 60 dungeon, i'm sorry but from my point of view people who just come to uruga at levels under 40 are people refusing to work hard for their levels and prefer taking the easy way out with a fast and nice power level :). I myself haven't stepped foot in Uruga before level 43 and THAT was way before the gate was there therefore it took quite a challenge to get there without scrolls. I have never been power leveled or partied with people that were 5 or more higher level than me because i've always prefered to work for my achievements and gain the xp myself while being the leading Violin in most of the parties i was, i am, and i'll be in the future.

THIS is my opinion, it is not a law OR something that SHOULD BE 100% be added, i'm fully aware a lot of people won't agree with me, but in the same time i'm sure there are also a lot of people that DO agree with me.

ANOTHER IDEA that might make THINGS let's say better would be that every time u travel to an area u r first taken to an arena where u fight a average strong monster from that area
EXAMPLE:
Uruga - u fight 1 on 1 with an Orc
Goblin Camp - u fight 1 on 1 with a werebear
Collapsed Prison- u fight 1 on 1 with a vampire bat
AeW - i fight 1 on 1 with a Clover Trumpy
FoS - u fight 1 on 1 with a greedy lizard

If u survive the duel, u r allowed to pass through to the next area if not u die and lose 3x more exp than a normal death and are taken back to your previous location. THAT way u will be allowed in all areas but will think twice about going to a high level area.

=____=" When have I said that every time I go to Uruga I get plvls? I don't level there. I level at MT, where I take on Ice Vivis and Spiders. I go to Uruga because almost to most of my guildies are there, including my guildies. I don't "take the easy way out", that ruins the point of having fun in the game. I go there to take pretty screenies and to dance with my guildies, or sometimes I DO go for a plvl, with my guildies.

I do not believing that getting partied with people that are 5 levels higher than you is "taking the easy way out". Are you saying that everyone who does that is stupid and being rude, KSing other people and not working hard for everything they've done? Are you saying that we are not going to accept a party with a nice friend who's coincidentally 6 levels above you? That DOESN'T work. Of course, some high levels probably can't remember what it feels like to be a lower level and think that each and every single lower level is a KSer and should work very hard for every single level.

Then, if you really have to fight a monster to get into an area, what's the point? It takes fun out of the game. When I feel bored, I get into CP and I try to get to Uruga. I never train anyone on the way, I go at 0% exp so I don't mind dying, and if I die I die. No problem with that. I just try to get to Uruga, and that's all there is to it, a little bit of fun when I'm bored. I don't grind 24/7, I have a life and I like to have fun on Fiesta.

Sorry if that came off as mean or harsh, and I realize that A LOT of KSers are lower-levels that like to take the easy way off. But you've got to realize, you ban those low levels and you also ban low-levelers that ARE working for their exp, their money.

[-Leona-]

=____=" When have I said that every time I go to Uruga I get plvls? I don't level there. I level at MT, where I take on Ice Vivis and Spiders. I go to Uruga because almost to most of my guildies are there, including my guildies. I don't "take the easy way out", that ruins the point of having fun in the game. I go there to take pretty screenies and to dance with my guildies, or sometimes I DO go for a plvl, with my guildies.

I do not believing that getting partied with people that are 5 levels higher than you is "taking the easy way out". Are you saying that everyone who does that is stupid and being rude, KSing other people and not working hard for everything they've done? Are you saying that we are not going to accept a party with a nice friend who's coincidentally 6 levels above you? That DOESN'T work. Of course, some high levels probably can't remember what it feels like to be a lower level and think that each and every single lower level is a KSer and should work very hard for every single level.

Then, if you really have to fight a monster to get into an area, what's the point? It takes fun out of the game. When I feel bored, I get into CP and I try to get to Uruga. I never train anyone on the way, I go at 0% exp so I don't mind dying, and if I die I die. No problem with that. I just try to get to Uruga, and that's all there is to it, a little bit of fun when I'm bored. I don't grind 24/7, I have a life and I like to have fun on Fiesta.

Sorry if that came off as mean or harsh, and I realize that A LOT of KSers are lower-levels that like to take the easy way off. But you've got to realize, you ban those low levels and you also ban low-levelers that ARE working for their exp, their money.

You have totally misunderstood what i said >_<, i never called someone being power leveled by friends or guildies stupid or rude, but the simple thing that a lot of people just come to uruga to "hang out" makes it hard for a lot of players to do anything >_<. You obviously have no idea how it feels to lose 80k experience cuz u lagged in the middle of a mob >_<, I do realize that by closing the gate for levels under 40 would harm a bunch of players that don't ks and are not rude about it.

BUT while u r complaining is not fair for u guys, do u think is fair for the level 60+ to have no where to grind and no where to play because low levels come and claim spots.

WHILE a level 40+, can grind in Goblin Camp, Collapsed Prison, Uruga, Concealed prison, etc, a level 65+player can barely grind in AeW for Blue Clover, and FoS.

THAT LEAVES high levels with at the most 15 good grinding spots overall, while some of these spots are also claimed by lowe level people in their 40s. You r implying high level people don't remember how it was to be low level but on the contrary BECAUSE we remember it makes it so frustrating so many times. BECAUSE when most people in their 60s were level 30 and 40 nobody was high enough to power level them therefore WE ALL had to work our butts off most of the time for the xperience, when i was in my 30s i was in Moonlight and Vine Tomb, when i was in my 40 i was in Goblin Camp and Collapsed Prison, and the first time i have ever set foot in Uruga was at level 43, GRINDING ON CHICKENS not on orcs trumpies or anything of the sort.

Lower level people complain about being bullied about higher level but not even for one second most of u guys don't consider the fact that level 30s and 40s are claiming some of the few spots we can actually grind in for we can't go to Collapsed Prison or Goblin Camp, because all i get in there is 1xp, can u even imagine leveling with 1xp for a monster when u need nearly 9million for a level.

If the world would've been bigger and space would've not been so limited do u think anyone would've cared about the fact lthat level 20 people are coming as well, do u think that if lags were not an issue and people wouldn't lose 50k-150k experience cuz they lagged in the middle of a mob would care.

BTW while u probably need 100k experience to level when u r in the early 30s, a person my level needs around 9million (more exactly 8.6million to advance from level 67-68), and if that person doesn't have blessings and dies once it will lose 86k in a flash, that is almost as much as u need to gain a whole level.

BEFORE u judge higher level people you might as well consider first the problems we go through as well :) before saying we are just bullies who forgot how it feels to be low level :).

[BassBeast00]

thats very tru
wen i was a low lvl i wasnt as noobish as to ks
or ask for pwerlvls every 4 seconds
its really annoying jus play the game right

[BlackDuck]

You know the level requierments for CP will be 40+, if it would be lvl requierment...
same with MT 25+ , Sea of Greed 12+ , Sand Beach, +5 , uruga 55+ and so on.. the requierment would not be after the players will ..
the requerment would be after the mobs level (mobs with orange name and down..)

So NO lvl requierment won't work.. thats it!

[generaldave]

I agree with a lot of people here and Leona pretty much hit the nail on the head. I'm no where near his/her level, but I lose 9.5k when I die, so I'd rather party with others that can assisst in keeping me alive, instead of a level 20 in Uruga. It is getting pretty ridiculous. The first time I ever went to collapsed prison was at level 28. I asked if I was going to get my butt handed to me and no one answered, so I tried to take on an Ogre. It one hitted me, so I left and didn't return until level 38. Also, for Uruga, the first time I was ever there was with a higher leveled friend and I made sure that I could handle an enemie by myself there. That way I would know if I should be there or not. My point is, if you aren't with a friend or you cannot handle yourself in the area, you should not be there. Also, I've found that some of these people already have high leveled main characters, who already know how annoying it is and are just trying to level as fast as possible. If you know how annoying it is, don't encourage them to keep doing it.

[Gaaraxxx]

Bigred, you want a level req for CP gate, but not one at uruga.
Where do you draw the lines of who to let into where?
Even on the grounds of new players simply exploring, its their choice to make.
If youre going to restrict low levels from grinding in CP, i dont see it fair at all.
Im sure that you would want to exp there regardless of your level.
Besides, if CP were restricted, then youd have to restrict every portal above level 2 on the same grounds.
It'd make things too difficult, too uneven, and generally an annoyance and hindrance to most players.

[lightningmystix]

You have totally misunderstood what i said >_<, i never called someone being power leveled by friends or guildies stupid or rude, but the simple thing that a lot of people just come to uruga to "hang out" makes it hard for a lot of players to do anything >_<. You obviously have no idea how it feels to lose 80k experience cuz u lagged in the middle of a mob >_<, I do realize that by closing the gate for levels under 40 would harm a bunch of players that don't ks and are not rude about it.

BUT while u r complaining is not fair for u guys, do u think is fair for the level 60+ to have no where to grind and no where to play because low levels come and claim spots.

WHILE a level 40+, can grind in Goblin Camp, Collapsed Prison, Uruga, Concealed prison, etc, a level 65+player can barely grind in AeW for Blue Clover, and FoS.

THAT LEAVES high levels with at the most 15 good grinding spots overall, while some of these spots are also claimed by lowe level people in their 40s. You r implying high level people don't remember how it was to be low level but on the contrary BECAUSE we remember it makes it so frustrating so many times. BECAUSE when most people in their 60s were level 30 and 40 nobody was high enough to power level them therefore WE ALL had to work our butts off most of the time for the xperience, when i was in my 30s i was in Moonlight and Vine Tomb, when i was in my 40 i was in Goblin Camp and Collapsed Prison, and the first time i have ever set foot in Uruga was at level 43, GRINDING ON CHICKENS not on orcs trumpies or anything of the sort.

Lower level people complain about being bullied about higher level but not even for one second most of u guys don't consider the fact that level 30s and 40s are claiming some of the few spots we can actually grind in for we can't go to Collapsed Prison or Goblin Camp, because all i get in there is 1xp, can u even imagine leveling with 1xp for a monster when u need nearly 9million for a level.

If the world would've been bigger and space would've not been so limited do u think anyone would've cared about the fact lthat level 20 people are coming as well, do u think that if lags were not an issue and people wouldn't lose 50k-150k experience cuz they lagged in the middle of a mob would care.

BTW while u probably need 100k experience to level when u r in the early 30s, a person my level needs around 9million (more exactly 8.6million to advance from level 67-68), and if that person doesn't have blessings and dies once it will lose 86k in a flash, that is almost as much as u need to gain a whole level.

BEFORE u judge higher level people you might as well consider first the problems we go through as well :) before saying we are just bullies who forgot how it feels to be low level :).

/shrug.
Then that's your opinion, and I have mine.
I'm not calling all high-levelers bullies, but you know, WE also have to work our butts off. I will never forget taking a full week to level from lvl 16 to lvl 17.
I do not grind my butt off, it's not my playing style. I don't mind if I die a couple of times, because I don't grind 24/7. Maybe it matters more to grinders, and that's why my opinion is so "screwed up" for you guys.

I'm just saying I don't think there should be a level requirement. BEFORE you judge US, think a little bit more. All I want to do is go to Uruga and have some fun, then die and go back to Eld. Are you saying that getting a plvl with some friends or guildies is wrong because we are low leveled? Is that IT!?

I don't have a ton of time to play and get high leveled. I'm still in middle school and I have schoolwork to do. I want to enjoy Fiesta as much as I can, and putting a level ban on Uruga or CP just stops that fun for me. I want to be able to die a zillion times in a 1 hit KO and laugh at myself with my friends. I want to take on a Harkan at my level and stare in amazement when my poisons land.

If you really think that we shouldn't be in Uruga, you are only considering the grinding aspect. I agree, lag is bad, loosing exp at your level is bad, maybe it IS some of our fault you guys die all the time. But I play for fun: I want to do what I can do.

I will take your opinions into consideration, and maybe I won't step foot into Uruga that much anymore so you guys will die less. I'm just saying, step away from loosing exp and plvling for a while and consider the fun in just staying on a map for your own level, grinding your butts off. I would like to have some fun.

[bigredd22]

im not saying to put it too high
make it at least 30
stop tryin to pwerlvl do it on ur own
i had 2
uruga is different its a town
monsters are outside the town
i want the requirement where it is needed most
thats at cp

[Gravvi]

i dont' agree with it because not all low lvls KS. I go there but don't KS

[txuj_hawj]

How about asking the question, "Can you hit the mob? How much dmg u do?" For those ppl asking for plvl, asking them and yourself this question. I would agree with a lvl requirement but giving reasonable solutions works just a good.

[Whassap]

I think that Leona's idea of when you go to a high level place, you duo a common monster thats in that map area, is a great idea, but add in, if your in a party, and the whole party wants to go to to the area as well, make them fight the monster as a group, BUT make the amount of monsters being faced equal to the amount of people in your party. So if you have a 3 member party, face 3 monsters at the same time. So that way if your party is strong enough to face them monsters, then your party is strong enough to survive in that map area. Now just so you dont lose anything, if you win, your scrolls, pots, stones will be restored back to right before you face the mob. I think that will give the lower level people a chance to get powerleveled by there higher level friends and guildies and at the same time not having a bunch of random lazy noobs going in a map area making it laggy and spamming "plz lvl me" and stuff like that :)

[Tamlinari]

Personally I don't like the idea of putting a level restriction on the gate.
How many of you that are complaining about being bothered by "noobs" were once "noobs" yourself asking for parties from higher levels?
I have done it myself and anyone that claims they haven't is probably not telling the truth.
So now you want to invoke the policy "since I am already on board, pull up the ladder.

I have partied at level 18 as a Cleric in CP because friends of mine brought me there to help me with my level.
Now it is my turn to help out and I do because I can solo there now.
If anyone is so bothered by "noobs" there then just go farther in and use the new ignore feature.
It's just my opinion but I say no level restriction.

[Esoterra]

If you put level restrictions on gates, then you ruin the game for everyone. There are people who go to Uruga to get plvled, lots of KSers, and whatnot. We've all had it happen. And we've all done it, intentionally or not. But restricting lower-leveled players just because you don't like them being there? Tough luck. It's part of the game. The thrill of exploring new areas that you've never seen before, and the rights to tell your other lowbie friends about your experience there is part of the fun of the game. You're RUINING it for other people, and as well as people in guilds. What right do you have to say "No, you can't come here."? You don't, no one does except the GMs.

Also: Telling us we must solo a moster in that area to grind there? Increasing the number of mobs per party as a test? Ridiculous!! Not all of us are fighters and clerics who can take the damage being dished out. I don't join AoE parties, so why must I fight more than 3 Orcs at a time? Restricting people from getting into other areas for YOUR benefit is unfair, and ideally takes an aspect that was fun away.

[bigredd22]

no thats not tru
we were noobs yes but wen i was new i didnt kno how to play
so i played the game
i didnt kno about cp or anything
the low llvs in cp hav higher lvl accounts
cuz they kno where to go to get partied
and having ur alt pwerlvled is kinda cheap

[rafale]

ANOTHER IDEA that might make THINGS let's say better would be that every time u travel to an area u r first taken to an arena where u fight a average strong monster from that area
EXAMPLE:
Uruga - u fight 1 on 1 with an Orc
Goblin Camp - u fight 1 on 1 with a werebear
Collapsed Prison- u fight 1 on 1 with a vampire bat
AeW - i fight 1 on 1 with a Clover Trumpy
FoS - u fight 1 on 1 with a greedy lizard

If u survive the duel, u r allowed to pass through to the next area if not u die and lose 3x more exp than a normal death and are taken back to your previous location. THAT way u will be allowed in all areas but will think twice about going to a high level area.

LoL.. I recall making a comment with this idea way back on the first Level Restrict on Uruga gates thread. I'm glad someone read it even though it was at the very bottom of one of the countless pages. A bit of credit would have been nice, but nonetheless its just an idea which I'd love to see implemented. Of course I realize this would have made it rather difficult for the Mages and Archers. I'm not sure if I'd mentioned it in the original post, but perhaps the test would be more adapted to each class like in the level 60 class quest. Aka::

Clerics: stay alive while keeping a group of NPC 'party members' alive
Fighters: keep the attention of the mobs on yourself while the NPC 'party members' heal you once every few seconds
Archers: DoT and try to kill as many as they can
Mages: same as archers :X

Of course the main idea for any class would to stay alive through it all. Perhaps in a time limit of 5-10min like in Robo KQ? <w< Now there's an idea.

This way it'd almost be like a mini KQ in that it'd teach each class how to play itself >_> and be less of a nuisance and dead weight in actual KQs and parties. Not to mention, once you've passed the test for each map, nobody can really object to your presence as you've earned your right to be there.

[-Leona-]

Sorry i didn't credited u for it >_< but i never actually read your post about it so i wouldn't know >_<, but my idea seems very different than your own because staying 10 minutes to go to another map WOULD be very annoying as far as i'm concerned.

You people keep arguing it would be not fair but as i already mention, unlike most low levels in the game today we actually worked our way hard for this, y do u think the game is running low on good players, the reason is because the good players that actually worked hard for their level are gone cuz now 80% of the people are getting power leveled and when they get to level 50 they have no idea what they are doing. AGAIN I"LL REPEAT not everyone takes the easy way out but so many people are getting power leveled that is so hard to find someone that actually does his own job.

PEOPLE WILL SAY : who am i to judge who is good and who is not, but here is a proof, when i was in my 50s, u would see so many MD KQ items on sale because very often the kq will succed, now most of the times the KQ fails (like 90% of the times), i have friends that still go in MD KQ and although they tank the hell out of the dragon and dont' get killed even once they just dont' win it, i have friends at level 57 that can tank like hell in FoS and AeW YET KQ now fails a lot, that is proof enough the quality of players diminishes, the reason is the fact that people prefer power leveling instead of learning their ways THROUGH every map in the traditional way.

I don't mean any harm and i really dont' want to offend anyone but almost all the people saying THERE SHOULD NOT be a level req in URUGA are actually people that would be to low level to get to uruga, therefore they dont' understand the difficulties a high level has to go through, one person said, IT"S OUR FAULT FOR DYING for grinding to much, NO IT"S THE OTHER WAY around, if a person grinds a lot that person won't care he/she died once, but when u can only grind 1 hour or 2 per day and u lose 4 times losing 400k cuz of that U TELL ME HOW FUN IS THAT.
THE SAME person assumed we only grind and don't have fun YET AGAIN if u think only low levels know how to have fun u r wrong again, my only request would be to actually reduce the lag and the amount of frustration we have to go through when we have a lag and we lose 100k :( for nothing.

[rafale]

Eh don't worry about it D: especially if you came up with it on your own. In which case that's awesome since great minds think alike! XD Now just hope the devs might consider something like it, and Uruga might be *gasp* lagless~!!

~~ or.. Outspark might just put in a few new channels per server :P

[Shumirah]

Rather than making CP level caped they should maybe develop a mob claiming system. 1st person to hit the mob that mob is then claimed by him/her and the party of that person. That would take care of the KSers. As far as people training mobs to zones I think mobs should disapear and respawn back to their origanal spot once the person they are training either out runs them or zones (unless someone else claims that mob). That would solve both problems.

Quick reference to a game that has both these systems in place. Final Fantasy 11. Can not KS and Mobs don't agro after being trained.

[Gravvi]

Ok here is something most poeple don't know. If u get stuck and can't lvl fast enough start to plvl someone who has a high lvl alt like me. I get to the lvl i want quick and the person lvling me gets an exp boost. My fighter exp boost with stun capabilities. My cleric exp boost with healing capabilities. Archer exp boost with poison healing capablilities/training. Mages exp boosts with dispel capabilities. See there are upsides to both sides. XD hence i was in FOS giving my party 300-400 more exp than normal

[The-Sakura]

Since you support the idea, what about the even higher-leveled people, who need Cp for their quests? to them, using your logic, we should simply make CP a 50+ zone.
Is that what you really want?
If not, then please stop saying we should limit the area when you yourself do not have the level for the area.

[bigredd22]

Since you support the idea, what about the even higher-leveled people, who need Cp for their quests? to them, using your logic, we should simply make CP a 50+ zone.
Is that what you really want?
If not, then please stop saying we should limit the area when you yourself do not have the level for the area.



no becuz ppl
can solo mainly clerics at cp
like me i can solo at cp with no problem
so dont tell me i do not have the lvl for it

[HotRed]

Rather than making CP level caped they should maybe develop a mob claiming system. 1st person to hit the mob that mob is then claimed by him/her and the party of that person. That would take care of the KSers. As far as people training mobs to zones I think mobs should disapear and respawn back to their origanal spot once the person they are training either out runs them or zones (unless someone else claims that mob). That would solve both problems.

Quick reference to a game that has both these systems in place. Final Fantasy 11. Can not KS and Mobs don't agro after being trained.

Nice idea but lets say for example:

I attacked a dungeon mob because that's where my quest leads me! Then WHOOPS, I am short of stones/pots! :eek:

People HELP me please! Cleric can heal you but what if there is no Cleric around? WOW! Fighter is there and he can use his SNEERING KICK to save me (of course he can) but because of your system, FIghter can't do that 'coz somebody else is dealing with that mob and WOW, that guy who needs help is in a big trouble and will lose EXP points!

Arg, Archers and Mages can't even help coz of the system!

In short, once you engage a mob, WIN or LOSE, SURVIVE or DIE, you can't get any kind of help but heal from a Cleric if there is a single one around!

That would really keep those KSers away but it could be a problem as well once you need help! Sorry but is that what you mean?

[lightningmystix]

Nice idea but lets say for example:

I attacked a dungeon mob because that's where my quest leads me! Then WHOOPS, I am short of stones/pots! :eek:

People HELP me please! Cleric can heal you but what if there is no Cleric around? WOW! Fighter is there and he can use his SNEERING KICK to save me (of course he can) but because of your system, FIghter can't do that 'coz somebody else is dealing with that mob and WOW, that guy who needs help is in a big trouble and will lose EXP points!

Arg, Archers and Mages can't even help coz of the system!

In short, once you engage a mob, WIN or LOSE, SURVIVE or DIE, you can't get any kind of help but heal from a Cleric if there is a single one around!

That would really keep those KSers away but it could be a problem as well once you need help! Sorry but is that what you mean?

Good thinking, +rep LOL xD
On terms of this, my friends always help me when we're just lounging out, farming etc. If they see me in trouble and we're not in party, they would "KS" and help me. But if you can't do that, I would have to relive a hundred deaths >__>

I would still say no level limit.
We have our way of fun with being 1 hit KOed by monsters, and getting lost in Uruga.

[bigredd22]

Good thinking, +rep LOL xD
On terms of this, my friends always help me when we're just lounging out, farming etc. If they see me in trouble and we're not in party, they would "KS" and help me. But if you can't do that, I would have to relive a hundred deaths >__>

I would still say no level limit.
We have our way of fun with being 1 hit KOed by monsters, and getting lost in Uruga.


think about it
those low lvls in cp have higher lvl accs and u kno that
becuz they kno where cp is
and kno its a good place to be partied
but y waste ur time to lvl somebodys alt?
i mean really thaty isnt a place for low lvls
i say cap it

[KY_Jelly]

Nice idea but lets say for example:

I attacked a dungeon mob because that's where my quest leads me! Then WHOOPS, I am short of stones/pots! :eek:

People HELP me please! Cleric can heal you but what if there is no Cleric around? WOW! Fighter is there and he can use his SNEERING KICK to save me (of course he can) but because of your system, FIghter can't do that 'coz somebody else is dealing with that mob and WOW, that guy who needs help is in a big trouble and will lose EXP points!

Arg, Archers and Mages can't even help coz of the system!

In short, once you engage a mob, WIN or LOSE, SURVIVE or DIE, you can't get any kind of help but heal from a Cleric if there is a single one around!

That would really keep those KSers away but it could be a problem as well once you need help! Sorry but is that what you mean?

simple solution: don't be a moron. if you're out of pots and stones, go repot and restone. dee dee dee.

[HotRed]

Good thinking, +rep LOL xD
On terms of this, my friends always help me when we're just lounging out, farming etc. If they see me in trouble and we're not in party, they would "KS" and help me. But if you can't do that, I would have to relive a hundred deaths >__>

I would still say no level limit.
We have our way of fun with being 1 hit KOed by monsters, and getting lost in Uruga.

Oh thanks! I like you! :D


simple solution: don't be a moron. if you're out of pots and stones, go repot and restone. dee dee dee.

Oh well I HATE you! :mad:

Don't just say re-stone before you go kill mobs 'coz NOT IN ALL CASES, players are running out of stones while dealing with mobs! You might say fight one at a time and then rest in your mini house every after 1 fight but don't forget that mobs might spawn behind you and then you have to deal with it with a standby finger in the "Q" and "E" key! WOW! mobs keeps on spawning and out of your knowledge, WOW you're running out of potions and pots! You might need help later on! :D

[bigredd22]

no it is not fun to be one hit koed
i dont like losing xp
i dont like getting littles xp from being ksed
cap the dam gate

[lightningmystix]

no it is not fun to be one hit koed
i dont like losing xp
i dont like getting littles xp from being ksed
cap the dam gate

Then you have a really wierd sense of fun.
YES, I LIKE to get one hit koed.
YES, I LIKE losing exp.
NO, I DON'T LIKE getting Ksed ...
BUT YES, I LIKE getting titles from dying.

SO NO, don't put a minimum level on the gate.
It'll stop a lot of fun. Trying out new maps when you're new, of course not KSing or training out anyone. Dying and learning from experience, and not always from reading guides.

If you haven't done that before, gone into a map maybe even a level before you're supposed to, then you are not getting us much fun as I CAN. I can die a million times without getting worried, and I can say about the same for my guildies. Some people like to have FUN, you know.
So don't cap the gates, it'll ruin the FUN.

[bigredd22]

Then you have a really wierd sense of fun.
YES, I LIKE to get one hit koed.
YES, I LIKE losing exp.
NO, I DON'T LIKE getting Ksed ...
BUT YES, I LIKE getting titles from dying.

SO NO, don't put a minimum level on the gate.
It'll stop a lot of fun. Trying out new maps when you're new, of course not KSing or training out anyone. Dying and learning from experience, and not always from reading guides.

If you haven't done that before, gone into a map maybe even a level before you're supposed to, then you are not getting us much fun as I CAN. I can die a million times without getting worried, and I can say about the same for my guildies. Some people like to have FUN, you know.
So don't cap the gates, it'll ruin the FUN.




that ridiculus
i lose like 4k xp wen i die
no thats not kool
its not fun dieng wen ur a high lvl
and it wont take the fun outa nothing except alot happier ppl
for instance i jus got killed in cp from a lvl 19 mob lurer
i died while resting and afk
becuz a low lvl noob thought it was smart to go near a king coll
so dont give me that bs about its fun
u send me 10 signatures
of pll who think its fun dieng above lvl 40

[lightningmystix]

I didn't say it was fun to DIE, but it's cool to do things that RESULT in dieing. I can easily give you 10 signatures of people that would risk dieing for helping others out or doing something for fun, so it's not bs.

[bigredd22]

ok go ahead
40+ tho
they need to say they enjoy dieng\
and thats wat u said

[lightningmystix]

-sigh-
You really want 10 signatures? =__="

I'm saying it's fun to die if you've got a fun motive. If you don't have fun while trying to have fun grinding, you're way too stressed. If your Fiesta life is a pure grind, /shrug. I like to actually have fun, not grind 24/7. If I ever get to 40+, which seems like a distant dream right now, I wouldn't mind dieing. There are some people that won't mind dieing for fun either =/

And btw, you're still not getting my point.
I didn't say they had to have fun dying, just that they don't mind dying for a fun purpose.

[bigredd22]

i dont get serious
i laugh with my party and joke and have fun
but wen u take 30mins to get 4k xp (if soloing)
and u die from a mob lurer
thats fun?
thats a waste of hp and sp plus u basically lost all the xp u made if u lose 4k like me
i wuld rather not die
becuz u gotta look at how long iit took u to get the xp u lost
and i get ur point
but if u understand mine then u will kno
but its really dum to die and be happy about it

[-Leona-]

You really want 10 signatures? =__="

I'm saying it's fun to die if you've got a fun motive. If you don't have fun while trying to have fun grinding, you're way too stressed. If your Fiesta life is a pure grind, /shrug. I like to actually have fun, not grind 24/7. If I ever get to 40+, which seems like a distant dream right now, I wouldn't mind dieing. There are some people that won't mind dieing for fun either =/

And btw, you're still not getting my point.
I didn't say they had to have fun dying, just that they don't mind dying for a fun purpose.


Come back again and tell me if it's still going to be fun when u will lose 100 000 xp, cuz yes for you is no big deal dying once, U PULL one mob in AeW and there u go, all the xp u got is back, u kill 5 or 6 monsters and there u go ALL XP IS BACK, at my level if u lose exp it takes 100+ (ancient stonies to make up that xp, so plz think about when saying something like people don't know how to do crazy and funny things that result in dying TRUST ME when u end up losing 100 000 xp U WILL BE ANYTHING BUT HAPPY 90% of the time)

[lightningmystix]

Come back again and tell me if it's still going to be fun when u will lose 100 000 xp, cuz yes for you is no big deal dying once, U PULL one mob in AeW and there u go, all the xp u got is back, u kill 5 or 6 monsters and there u go ALL XP IS BACK, at my level if u lose exp it takes 100+ (ancient stonies to make up that xp, so plz think about when saying something like people don't know how to do crazy and funny things that result in dying TRUST ME when u end up losing 100 000 xp U WILL BE ANYTHING BUT HAPPY 90% of the time)

Sigh ...
as I said, I have NEVER experienced the grinding side of the game.
I'm a free player, and I like to talk and farm, and have fun dancing.
So I will probably NEVER know the grinding side and all the losing exp. To me, losing exp is no big deal, there's nothing much to it.
Rant all you want, I'm saying no to gate bans.

I'm about done here, looks like my side of the argument just lacks enough people to back it up. I'm saying that I like having fun and accessing all the maps I can, and that doesn't mean I get plvled all the time and KS everyone around me. I just go to CP, die, and go back to MT. Is that so hard to understand?

Hope you guys figure out a way.

[bigredd22]

thank you leona for getting that point across
ok i see where ur comnig from lighting
becuz u far and talk
but think before u say sumthing
cuz not all of us farm and talk
80% of us grind and try to lvl and still have fun

[M_ivko]

Oh my god how do you read this thread and the replys. Half of them I can't even tell if the person knows english.

Also, if you can't handle a little bit of hassle in a game you might want to consider getting off the internet, it may be bad for your health to stay here.

[bigredd22]

no not true
the game doesnt have to be played the wrong way

[M_ivko]

Did anything you just write have anything to do with what I said, or were you reading the imaginary post in between ours that actually makes anything you say make sense?

Also, learn to type, or use the spellcheck.....

[bigredd22]

how about u get of the thread and stop critisizing other ppl
u dont kno wat your talkin about
and maybe i wuld kno wat your talking about if u explain it better idiot
i bet ur a kser or a mob lurer
stop saying to speak english correctly i understand everyone very clearly
maybe ur the one who needs to learn english if u cant understand us
so i tell u wat
go to ur nearest english class in
the netherlands or wherever u come from
and take the begginer class
cuz u cant understand nothing
now does that fit ur mood or do u not kno wat i said
do i need to spell it out for you????

[M_ivko]

All I said was that if you get upset over a few things on a game, you need to get off it because you obviously can't handle it.


There is no reason for a blanket ban on lower levels there. There are some people that are annoying that are low levels, there are some that are annoying at high levels. There is no reason to fundamentally change a part of the game because it annoys you. If someone won't stop ksing, get off. Just get off fiesta, calm down if you are actually that upset, get back on later, or not. This game isn't your life, it isn't so important that you need to change it for everyone else so you aren't bothered.

And if you want me to stop criticizing people, you should probably not do it to me in the same post you told me not to. Just a suggestion.

[bigredd22]

ok ya high and low lvls can both be annoying
but wat character 40+ have u ever seen ks?
who wuld u trust more a lvl 45 or a lvl 19
if they were both near you in cp
and im not crying,whinig,upset,aggrevated nothing at all
yes its annoying becuz it happens WAY TO MUCH
once or twice is fine
but ksed 5 times in 10 mins
thats ridiuclas
plus getting mobed and dieng becuz a lvl 23 came by you with a king cooll and died
this game isnt my life
but wen i play i wuld like to enjoy the game

[M_ivko]

If playing the game simply isn't fun like you said, get off. Get back on later and have fun, hopefully someone wont be there, but if they are? Oh well. It isn't THAT big of a deal.


Also, have you ever heard of this thing called a paragraph? No lets start small. A sentence? They really are good to use when writing.

[monteczuma]

i noticed you cry too much, its game you must be a real super nerd, no offence but all your posting are nutin but waa waa waa, i am glad your not on teva!!! lol


You have totally misunderstood what i said >_<, i never called someone being power leveled by friends or guildies stupid or rude, but the simple thing that a lot of people just come to uruga to "hang out" makes it hard for a lot of players to do anything >_<. You obviously have no idea how it feels to lose 80k experience cuz u lagged in the middle of a mob >_<, I do realize that by closing the gate for levels under 40 would harm a bunch of players that don't ks and are not rude about it.

BUT while u r complaining is not fair for u guys, do u think is fair for the level 60+ to have no where to grind and no where to play because low levels come and claim spots.

WHILE a level 40+, can grind in Goblin Camp, Collapsed Prison, Uruga, Concealed prison, etc, a level 65+player can barely grind in AeW for Blue Clover, and FoS.

THAT LEAVES high levels with at the most 15 good grinding spots overall, while some of these spots are also claimed by lowe level people in their 40s. You r implying high level people don't remember how it was to be low level but on the contrary BECAUSE we remember it makes it so frustrating so many times. BECAUSE when most people in their 60s were level 30 and 40 nobody was high enough to power level them therefore WE ALL had to work our butts off most of the time for the xperience, when i was in my 30s i was in Moonlight and Vine Tomb, when i was in my 40 i was in Goblin Camp and Collapsed Prison, and the first time i have ever set foot in Uruga was at level 43, GRINDING ON CHICKENS not on orcs trumpies or anything of the sort.

Lower level people complain about being bullied about higher level but not even for one second most of u guys don't consider the fact that level 30s and 40s are claiming some of the few spots we can actually grind in for we can't go to Collapsed Prison or Goblin Camp, because all i get in there is 1xp, can u even imagine leveling with 1xp for a monster when u need nearly 9million for a level.

If the world would've been bigger and space would've not been so limited do u think anyone would've cared about the fact lthat level 20 people are coming as well, do u think that if lags were not an issue and people wouldn't lose 50k-150k experience cuz they lagged in the middle of a mob would care.

BTW while u probably need 100k experience to level when u r in the early 30s, a person my level needs around 9million (more exactly 8.6million to advance from level 67-68), and if that person doesn't have blessings and dies once it will lose 86k in a flash, that is almost as much as u need to gain a whole level.

BEFORE u judge higher level people you might as well consider first the problems we go through as well :) before saying we are just bullies who forgot how it feels to be low level :).

[-Leona-]

i noticed you cry too much, its game you must be a real super nerd, no offence but all your posting are nutin but waa waa waa, i am glad your not on teva!!!

after reading your post i kept laughing for 10 minutes with no pause OMG, i am on TEVA, and i am no nerd, in fact i prolly have one of the best careers a guy could wish for, i get stage attention, i get girls, good payment, i get good payment, so basically anything i'd wish for. LMAO, talk about being ignorant, but if u consider following a choreographer career as a nerdy career THAN YEAH i'm ADMIT i'm a NERD :D

R.......O.......F........L........M.........A..... ......O

[Serric]

If playing the game simply isn't fun like you said, get off. Get back on later and have fun, hopefully someone wont be there, but if they are? Oh well. It isn't THAT big of a deal.


Also, have you ever heard of this thing called a paragraph? No lets start small. A sentence? They really are good to use when writing.


i noticed you cry too much, its game you must be a real super nerd, no offence but all your posting are nutin but waa waa waa, i am glad your not on teva!!! lol

Let's keep it on-topic and non-personal, please. No more insults. If you are not going to play nice I'll have to take the ball away. :D

[Jhanniss]

I'll play dodgeball with Serric in that case *bounces a ball*

._.

[M_ivko]

Let's keep it on-topic and non-personal, please. No more insults. If you are not going to play nice I'll have to take the ball away. :D

You have to admit it is painfull to read what he writes. I think a requirment to post should be literacy =\ What a crazy idea I know.


Last time I'll bring it up I swear :O

[bigredd22]

no one is crying
and ur the one crying about ppl who cant spell or write