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Sakura301

01-19-2008, 10:02 AM

I wonder how all other acos are being treated... me myself i dont feel like i'm very treated well, i do work hard, always keep a close eye on ppl's healths, always buff myself first so i know exactly when i need to rebuff by watching the buff timers, ppl just dont appreciate it. If i buff they complain im not healing (Even if they have like 10 dmg only), If i stop buffing to heal sum1 near to death they complain im not buffing. And today... the worst of it all, i sacrificed my own exp (went from 45% to 33%) to get rid of a group of aggros at map entrance so that my party could pass safely, did they thank me?... no... even worse... they just leave and go away to mines and leave me there without even regaining exp...
Are we like a plastic vase or plate that is 1-time use only and then we are thrown to the trash can?

What is it for for about the rest of u ppl? wanna hear ur opinions

Shamusthepirate

01-19-2008, 10:53 AM

I'm not an Acolyte, but I've played as a healer based class before in many games. Chances are you're going to meet with people who get mad really quickly and have no respect that the healer needs to recharge MP or they need to heal other people. Also, they should bring their own healing stuff JUST in case they get too low and you're preoccupied. And if they're idiotic enough to yell at you when you're healing or buffing and then they ditch you, they deserve to not get healed P:

Rocheallo

01-19-2008, 11:07 AM

No one really seems to care if you do stop to help them. I find it annoying.

El_Suave

01-19-2008, 11:08 AM

Simple solution, if they don't treat you right, just leave the group, find some new people to make friends with and you'll be happy to be in a party with them. Soloing/Grinding is another option, I've been soloing since lvl 32 and I'm now lvl 42 and it really didn't take that much time. It's always better to go solo on monsters most of the time.

Muchiko

01-19-2008, 01:21 PM

Oh wow... You should have just let the squire/neo tank it and spam heal on them.
I'm well treated I think o.O; don't really have any complains... Coming from,probably, the rudest online game ever I'm used to and don't expect to be thanked for helping so I don't really care, but that's just me xD. Still that doesn't stop me from helping random people around me when I can.
I do agree that if the party is being rude you should just leave it.

Sakura301

01-19-2008, 03:33 PM

Wow i just died again trying to save sum1's life, i hope they appreciate it when they back (they were lagging ou)

Claiomh.Solais

01-19-2008, 05:32 PM

First of all, if you’re actually a skilled supporter and even then people start complaining about your skill, it means that it’s them who are weak and they criticize just to feel better about their own weakness and faults… it also means you should leave that party at once, as the exp rate is definitely gonna suck and you’re also likely to end up death. So, have them die and leave them without a word, as simple as that.

In general, any person who’s over a certain lvl (40+ probably) has been in a few parties at the very least and therefore knows what a good aco is; so that means they won’t criticize your work as long as you do it well (and your description sounds to me like someone who knows what needs to be done)

Now, personally, I think that at least 2 of 3 things must be present for me to be in a party.

The exp rate, the power/skill and the nice people.

So basically, if the exp is good and the guys are powerful and skilled (therefore, we don’t die unless heavily mobbed), I don’t give a damn if they don’t treat me that well (although if they start criticizing with no reason, I would anyway leave them), overall, a party with those 2 things is unlikely to talk much anyway.

Or, if the party’s nice and powerful, I don’t give a damn if we aren’t getting that much exp really, I’ll anyway be having a good time.

And well, you get the idea.

Delris

01-20-2008, 05:05 AM

It's been fine for me thus far (partying since 35), and generally I've no problems with people I've teamed up with. Some are particularly vocal in their wish at having met me earlier (some, a little too much, lol). The only real problems I have are sometimes overenthusiastic party members that overextend themselves, and those who forget that when the crap hits the fan, they have hotkeys for potions. A minor one is what Shamus mentioned: people not remembering that we need to regenerate, which I do a lot since I prefer to economize on MP pot usage where possible.

As for your bad experience in having been the bait for monster clearance, Sakura, I'm sorry to hear that. I tend to have fighters dragging them for me and the rest of the team, or drawing them into a fight while I spam healing on them.

Claiomh.Solais is right on the second point: if it's nice and powerful, the low exp isn't that much of an issue (and it can be made up for with quantity of kills). It's in most cases far more than what I gain fighting alone anyway, and it's more constant (not to mention cheaper, quite often, for me. ;)). I've also gotten a share of higher level Acolyte items whenever they end up in others' pockets due to the random distribution.

As a rule, I don't accept parties with those who just launch their requests at me. If they aren't going to take the time to ask politely and find out if I'm really suited (in level), then it's a no-join for me. Those who join and are dissatisfied just leave anytime they want. Quite rare; more often we lose people to them attending to RL matters, sometimes not even 20 minutes after they're invited. =\

As for stopping to help others (especially random persons) and not getting thanks, I don't particularly mind; sometimes they're busy fighting, and sometimes I just run away after casting to find the next monster. XD

It is better to find a good core group of players to team up with frequently; these are the people whom you trust in their skill to keep you alive through tough places and mobs and who in turn trust you with keeping them up and going. And most importantly, they know what you're worth to them.

Trashknight

01-20-2008, 05:55 AM

Drawing my knowledge from CB I have been treated as trash(The irony) rarely, where I in those cases left since I can't work with a party being a hazard. Once in a while when I healed or buffed I got thanked, other times they were confused and asked what I just did to them. (Funny how some gets so surprised over getting blessed)

I even had some funny anecdotes about the the time when I was bored enough to randomnly bless+Fist 100 different Xenians in a matter of an hour in Arcarina and Trisects. Pity I forgot much of it. >_>

The exp-question is a split-matter if few parties actually go to decent areas for exp when you are in your late thirties, or early forties when no one really went to Belt or later. ^_^' (Mind, the campaigns are bigger in quantity here in OB XD)

coalbrad

01-21-2008, 07:24 PM

Sakura301

01-21-2008, 07:48 PM

Also it seems the lvl is inversally proportional to the chances of finding a party =/

Shamusthepirate

01-21-2008, 07:57 PM

I don't know about that...I don't mind taking level 35s-50s with me and I'm in the 50s xD I don't want someone lower running around with me though. I'm not trying to get them killed and I can't save them from everything.

Sakura301

01-22-2008, 08:03 PM

Sadly... i have made it this far already... but im gonna quit... really...
i cant find parties... and only parties i find are afk, my guild party also went afk, i need to get to 66 before monday coz that's the end of my vacation, but at this rate i wont meet that goal... i rather use the internet for something else like downloading anime

Lv 6x Aco - S4kur1t4 - Considering to quit again...

Lost_Sage

01-22-2008, 08:16 PM

No, plz don't stop playing...
If you can't get a party, go solo for awhile. I solo 70% of the time...
If your guild is dead , try to find a new one, or just be a free wanderer. (Planning to do that...)
Just don't quit right now, you are lv6x, which i bet there are lot of other acolytes down there looking up at you... it would be a shame to lose someone that strong, right?
Plz, Sakura, think about first... and if you really decide to quit, i will not object you... take your time...

diamondust13

01-23-2008, 12:11 AM

I just started a acolyte and now im lvl 22. Ive started to notice how hard it is to maintain the hp of each member of a party. I get a few ty or thx from time to time but its very annoying how most people dont pay attention to me and think off me as the hump of the party. The worst part is someone cared so little that he called me a she when im a guy.:( so to get back at him I simply let him die and told him off. Is it like this for other people:confused:

Acolyte's not for everyone, I'm sure you know that =/

Healing everyone is how your job is played. It's what the class was MADE TO DO. Where are YOUR thanks when the tanks and magic casters kill the monster? Their purpose is to do the damage and kill and such, but when was the last time you thanked them for doing their job? =/
As for someone calling you a she... emo much? -_-
Grow up and don't retaliate in such a violent fashion =/
If that's how you play then I suggest you gtfo of the class. Shame to us all, you are -_-

Sakurita, don't quit so close to cleric!!! >_<
You can do it, just don't lose heart! T_T

Some0ne

01-23-2008, 03:51 AM

Acolyte's not for everyone, I'm sure you know that =/

Healing everyone is how your job is played. It's what the class was MADE TO DO. Where are YOUR thanks when the tanks and magic casters kill the monster? Their purpose is to do the damage and kill and such, but when was the last time you thanked them for doing their job? =/

Well said,
I find that as an acolyte it is my duty to heal and buff. When someone tells me how to do my job, I'll usually try to take it as constructive criticism, and I learn from it. Most of the time the advice is good, even if they are annoying.

Oh and sakurita, as one of the lower level acos that look up to you, pls don't quit.

Hebitualiar

01-23-2008, 08:44 AM

I'm really sorry to say this but I think that most acos complain too much and often without a reason (but I'm not saying that this is your case, there are situations when you complain for a reason)
However, I have noticed that there are acos who want to be treated like elite. All my time as an aco I found that it is my job to heal and buff people (and it really is). I always found it very annoying that some party members thanked me every time for healing of buffing them, I mean, some thanks are nice to receive but not every time I do my job!
I also don't think it's that hard to find parties and I'm saying that being a player that is online most of the time when other people are offline. As a good healer you form your buddy list and later you are frequently asked to party with the same party again and again. (Talking from the personal experience again). When I didn't like a party I definately didn't let anyone die (that's just shameless), just say that you have to go and leave, soloing really is better than a bad party...
Well, and if you really don't like being a healer that much, change class to Disciple after lvl 45... but at the beginning it's harder to find a party than being an aco. (Just for information, no, i didn't change class because I didn't like being an aco, I have another aco what means it can't be that bad being one!)

Overall, if being an aco makes you unhappy, try to communicate more with people or try making another class? Don't suffer from a game, not worth it.

Lovesnuffles

01-23-2008, 09:32 AM

I don't have TOO many problems, usually. Mostly, I go solo, but when I am in a party, I feel pretty appreciated.

There are occasions, though, when I feel like I'm not D=

But then again, my mage is the same way ... She's still a low level, though n.n

Like yesterday, when I was in a party with just my mage and a neo, I fought and fought and earned a lot of hard exp while he just sat there soaking it all up. Then I decided, I'm not going to fight anymore. Well, when I decide that, I just sit right on down and he says "Let's go" and I'm all "I'm tired, you fight for a while" and you know what he does?

Does he fight?

Nope, he sits right on down next to me >.> I AM NOT IN A PARTY TO DO ALL THE WORK!!! I DEMAND HELP!!! <.< Darn people ...

n.n Ok, ranting is done.

davisf18

01-23-2008, 09:46 AM

This is my first MMO and im loving every minute of being an Aco

Of course its not all fun when someone dies and they blame it on you @_@

But overall its a great role to play, saving lives...

Sakura301

01-23-2008, 01:15 PM

What i wonder is where is all this ppl that cheer me up on the forums and that like me, where are they in game, i never see them (except for toru).

In game is completely different for me... ppl dont like me or something, all my friends betray me (they form their uber aoe parties and dont invite me, then i see them with another aco =_=).

I wonder if i will ever find True friends, besides Kisuki dre and chun, who has been up till now the only real friends i have found in this game, it saddens me how graav never thinks about me and we were so nice friends in cb, he changed completely since i helped him become 66 T_T.

And i know there are other ppl that also betrayed me... but i wont bother writting their names, they so many it isnt funny

And i wanna be a cleric before monday coz that's the end of my vacations, but at this rate it doesnt seem like a possibility... and i worked so hard for it too... but parties always go afk all the time, or im all the time without a party, and i cant solo because sometimes i lag and die, seriously, u would think that the super DoT oblivion and 2 stun skills (spirit and ghost steal) would make it super easy to solo... its not... it takes me about a minute to kill something for like 0.05% when i can duet with sum1 and get 0.05% every 10 seconds.

I still dont know if i will quit, but i might...

pradalady

01-23-2008, 05:15 PM

Didn't bother reading the whole post, just the last few.

I don't have TOO many problems, usually. Mostly, I go solo, but when I am in a party, I feel pretty appreciated.

There are occasions, though, when I feel like I'm not D=

But then again, my mage is the same way ... She's still a low level, though n.n

Like yesterday, when I was in a party with just my mage and a neo, I fought and fought and earned a lot of hard exp while he just sat there soaking it all up. Then I decided, I'm not going to fight anymore. Well, when I decide that, I just sit right on down and he says "Let's go" and I'm all "I'm tired, you fight for a while" and you know what he does?

Does he fight?

Nope, he sits right on down next to me >.> I AM NOT IN A PARTY TO DO ALL THE WORK!!! I DEMAND HELP!!! <.< Darn people ...

n.n Ok, ranting is done.

You can always
1. Leave party
2. Join another party
3. Cuss him out
4. Solo by yourself
5. Close your client and get fresh air :P

Can't go wrong with any of these. lolz

In game is completely different for me... ppl dont like me or something, all my friends betray me (they form their uber aoe parties and dont invite me, then i see them with another aco =_=).
If you think that they "betray" you just because they level with another acolyte, that's pretty sad. Not everyone is going to cater to your every needs.

I wonder if i will ever find True friends, besides Kisuki dre and chun, who has been up till now the only real friends i have found in this game, it saddens me how graav never thinks about me and we were so nice friends in cb, he changed completely since i helped him become 66 T_T.

And i know there are other ppl that also betrayed me... but i wont bother writting their names, they so many it isnt funny
Wow, way to go and blast graav through the forums. You could have been mature and tell him in-game or private message him what you think of him.

QQ moar?
Can't find a party? Make your own damn party.
Friends betray you? Find some new ones.
Qutiing? I'm sure if you wanted too, you would have done that long ago. Amirite?

jmoua9

01-23-2008, 07:01 PM

If you think that they "betray" you just because they level with another acolyte, that's pretty sad. Not everyone is going to cater to your every needs.

This was the point i was trying to make to her when she was talking about how "i betrayed" her. Funny thing how the guys and i got her 4lvls in two nights (i remember her exact words "If you guys get me to lvl 50 tonight, I'll give you a kiss"), gave her my red blood (days before 2nd job even came out) because we were too busy grinding to go hunt. And oh lord-o-mighty, the next day i got the "you betrayed me so im deleting you off my friend list" treatment. Yea...sak before you accuse me of betraying you, think first ya?

Sakura301

01-23-2008, 10:07 PM

Yah... im just doing stupid things... imma quit now... i cant evenr each cleric anymore before my vacations end, and all i do just makes me wanna hate myself more... cya maybe in 4 years

Oh and i did try telling graav how i feel but he never replies, all i see is that all ppl i help they just ditch me in the end... im quitting now, have fun ppl and hope i see ya all on another game

bearbugs010

01-23-2008, 11:04 PM

noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! u should not quit, ur nearly close being a cleric then ur gonna go, noOOOOOOOOOO plss . DON 'T QUIT:( DON' T GIVE UP:)

Sakura301

01-24-2008, 12:25 AM

I cant... ill quit... i cant even lvl anymore... today's just another day which i didnt gain a lvl

or maybe ill go to the dark side... =_=

If ppl really want me to stay they should be helping me lvl not ingoring me when i shout for party T_T

TheDarkSenshi

01-24-2008, 02:01 AM

I'm a lvl 25 Aco. I have met some rude people who didn't deserve my company in their party. But I also have met several awesome people who party well and give thanks when needed.

It's really random who you will meet. I'm starting to find a normal party for myself. It really does take time.

As for being an Acolyte... I like it alot. I have NO idea where I'm going when the time comes to upgrade class. If anyone has insight about that... it would be much appreciated.

Suka (probably not right spelling) Don't give up. ^-^ Be patient You'll find a cool party soon. If you want to party with me (of course with a lower lvl) I would love to have your company! My name is DarkSenshi.

Take care and have F U N!

hanako808

01-25-2008, 02:50 PM

Sakura pls don't quit...i really think that you shouldn't give up in looking for a party and just like what DarkSenshi said its really hard to find a good party since its really random...just don't give up since I'm also trying my best to be a cleric and find a good party along the way(when my frends are offline)...and besides as long as you still have frends by your side,don't lose hope...you can always ask Kisuki to grind with you...n_n
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Sakura301

01-25-2008, 03:28 PM

Ok i have decided i wont quit (Seems like it was just a cursed lvl, im finally able to move forward again), but still finding party is a pain D=

Hebitualiar

01-25-2008, 03:41 PM

Well, it's obviously you don't want to quit or otherwise you wouldn't be level 60+ and wanting to be a cleric so much. You're a really good healer, I wish you luck :)

Sakura301

01-25-2008, 07:23 PM

pradalady

01-25-2008, 08:09 PM

Grab a blanket and turn on the lights and it won't be dark and cold. :P

Convent

01-25-2008, 10:09 PM

I used to get KSed cuz people were trying to help out. Other than that I've been treated pretty well on my aco, but I don't use her too much, so I'm not sure if that's an accurate representation, especially since I haven't partied with more than 1 person yet.

pradalady

01-25-2008, 10:21 PM

If your a good acolyte, you'll get treated well most of the time. That's all there is to it. As long as you don't give anyone any reason to treat you bad, you'll be fine. I'm sure QQing all over forums is not going to make people treat you better. :P

Sakura301

01-25-2008, 11:24 PM

Sorry, i was just getting mad XD and i guess ranting about my isp here wont help much either >_> =P

^_~ <3 love yall for your support

hanako808

01-26-2008, 02:23 AM

Keep on playing Sakura we'll be w8ing 4 u to b a cleric :)

doushini

01-26-2008, 05:01 PM

You should just leave that group. I agree that it's them who's weak and that they don't appreciate help. I'm guessing your in a party with guys practically. Guys don't like to have help. Try to find some girls to party with or invite your friends to play, and play together. Just make sure that you don't play with people who tweak on games so much and have more than one life if you know what I mean. :p Not all players you find will be the same as them. I'd say, atleast 10% of all players are appreciative of acolytes, while others just want to use other players to level themselves up faster.

Sakura301

01-26-2008, 05:09 PM

For now you wont see me online very often... im tired of being treated like this, so im gonna spend my time doing something else, until i can switch my isp back (maybe in 1 year?) or something.

Edit: NO i have not quitted, i will just be less active coz my vacations just ended D=

Claiomh.Solais

01-29-2008, 11:10 AM

Moar like attention *****, amirite?

joanne_dunn2002

01-29-2008, 11:39 AM

No one really seems to care if you do stop to help them. I find it annoying.
ur pic is pretty :þ

pradalady

01-29-2008, 12:43 PM

Moar like attention *****, amirite?

Roflsauce.

Sakura301

01-29-2008, 12:53 PM

No, i just wanted to clarify i havent quitted coz some ppl think i did >_>

chipotle10

01-29-2008, 03:24 PM

Wow it sounds like you have a rough time out there. I don't think you should be treated like you were you saved them and what? They throw you away like your nothing i hope it goes better out there for you.

El_Suave

01-29-2008, 04:50 PM

Trust me, it's much better to go grinding solo, though eventually you're going to want to party when it starts getting harder to lvl up solo.

Sakura301

01-29-2008, 05:21 PM

And lvl 65 isnt already hard to solo? ._.

Well my problem now is that parties dont last long XD

Somniloquy

01-30-2008, 03:58 AM

Parties are so hit and miss. Sometimes they are great, nice people, go somewhere and kill lots of stuff. Heal and buff as best you can, staying busy.

But then you get the horrible ones. No direction, just running from place to place and having some jerk start harassing you for buffs or heals when you ahve no chance to rest and the gameplay is broken and the squires and neos are all over the zone doing their own thing.

Some players do not seem to understand the way an Aco works, it takes a team effort to keep things running smoothly. You cannot keep buffs up all the time in every situation, sometimes i am halfway through a rebuff and some neo or app gets attacked and their HP is dropping like a stone so I stop buffing and heal them. Then some numbskull starts calling me a retard cos their Bless ran out.

But I just leave parties like that and I notice that other Aco's do the same. Its the same with the item division. If they refuse to do random item then I just say that I will go and solo then cos I need stuff too and I leave. It's more important to be able to buy my gear and pots and spells than to level up fast.

Quite often small groups of 4 or even Duo with a Squire or Neo is more fun and I get treated fairly.

What I never do is start arguing or getting worked up. I don't get upset by what other players do and gradually make friends that I get on well with and more often will play with them.

ashley88

01-30-2008, 12:11 PM

Aco's use the most mp and use the most money because they heal and all. My sister kinda gets treated rough on times, running along to train someone just comes to you and say'buff' and then again in parties 'heal me'. Sad isnt it as ive just started being an aco little parties are best^^

Deviling

01-30-2008, 01:40 PM

My dreams are destroyed
My vacations are destroyed
My reputation is destroyed

Who do i blame? MY ISP IS TO BLAME

and just when i finally fix my lag...
what do i have left?...
nothing...
everything is so dark and cold...

actually u should blame urself. even u dont have any lag, i dont think u r a good aco.
many people complain about u not healing them and made them died. i think u were just slacking or somthing...
when squire or neo struggles on fighting with 2 or 3 mobs.. u shouldnt buff, u need to heal. only allow u to buff when u guys in safe place or in a situation u can handle heal and buff.

Sakura301

01-30-2008, 05:35 PM

Should i blame myself if i get a lag spike and couldnt be able to watch what was happening? ._.

Anyways life as an aco is over, now im a cleric and im happy ^^

diamondust13

01-30-2008, 05:57 PM

actually u should blame urself. even u dont have any lag, i dont think u r a good aco.
many people complain about u not healing them and made them died. i think u were just slacking or somthing...
when squire or neo struggles on fighting with 2 or 3 mobs.. u shouldnt buff, u need to heal. only allow u to buff when u guys in safe place or in a situation u can handle heal and buff.

Oh ye fool, ye fool, ye damned fool... Any aco can leech a party and spam heal and be considered "good"... A REAL aco can buff in combat and keep the party alive. Maybe the party doesn't get healed when they WANT it, but sure as hell heal them when they NEED it. I do believe I have seen S4kur1t4 in action, so your words aren't worth the spit behind them. An Acolyte is a SUPPORT character, not a HEAL-BOT. She supports just fine when she is physically able. Everyone makes mistakes. Like any even halfway decent player, S4kur1t4 learns from said mistakes and continues to learn to be an even better player from there.
Please go through the process and get yourself to Cleric legitemately before commenting upon others' hard work and dedication. Going back to my previous statement, what I mean by "legitemately" is to be something other than a healing tool (as your comment shows your obvious ignorance of the class); Learn the purpose of the class.

Learn to be a proper support player before looking down on others for their short-comings, and learn to speak where appropriate.

Don't spread groundless slander without any rooted conviction.

Shamusthepirate

01-30-2008, 06:20 PM

Should i blame myself if i get a lag spike and couldnt be able to watch what was happening? ._.

Anyways life as an aco is over, now im a cleric and im happy ^^

Congrats. Thats all I have to say xD

Claiomh.Solais

01-30-2008, 08:28 PM

Oh ye fool, ye fool, ye damned fool... Any aco can leech a party and spam heal and be considered "good"... A REAL aco can buff in combat and keep the party alive. Maybe the party doesn't get healed when they WANT it, but sure as hell heal them when they NEED it. I do believe I have seen S4kur1t4 in action, so your words aren't worth the spit behind them. An Acolyte is a SUPPORT character, not a HEAL-BOT. She supports just fine when she is physically able. Everyone makes mistakes. Like any even halfway decent player, S4kur1t4 learns from said mistakes and continues to learn to be an even better player from there.
Please go through the process and get yourself to Cleric legitemately before commenting upon others' hard work and dedication. Going back to my previous statement, what I mean by "legitemately" is to be something other than a healing tool (as your comment shows your obvious ignorance of the class); Learn the purpose of the class.

Learn to be a proper support player before looking down on others for their short-comings, and learn to speak where appropriate.

Don't spread groundless slander without any rooted conviction.

*claps*

Definitely, it’s very easy for people from other classes to criticize the work of a supporter, yet most of them probably wouldn’t last a day as an acolyte.

As for sakura, I have never seen her in game (I’ve been away from it for a while too), but the fact that she made it into a cleric means she can’t really be bad as a supporter. Only thing wrong about her seems to be her attention whoring on this tread and even that may have been just lapse. Congrats to her for her class change too ;)

IcyGrip

01-30-2008, 10:36 PM

first off.. sorry if this wasn't written well, i'm tired and annoyed... so please i apologize.

all i have to say... is i'm tired of buffing and healing my party, almost on the verge of death. Of course being a good aco i do my best and keep everyone alive and buffed when needed and put myself as last resort, i only heal myself in emergency and only if i can spare the time (due to cast time). But i gotta say that i am honestly tired of people running up to me who aren't in my party, with their party, while i'm fighting and having the audacity to ask for buffs and healing while i'm working on my own party. then they have the nerve to stand there and act all ticked off because i'm not healing them after the fight and I say kindly "i'm sorry but i want to save all my mp for my party", but they still act all ticked off. it takes me 16mp for heal lvl 3, and around mid 20's for each buff, that's not counting poison clear or spirit. So please, if your in a party and need to be healed BRING POTS or get your own acolyte/cleric. Geez, i really should put this in General Discussion...

Sakura301

01-30-2008, 10:52 PM

Well the reason i started this thread, was not to rant for attention or anything, more like to let ppl know how i felt and for other ppl to express how they felt so that i would know if i wasnt the only one, and yes i've endured many hardships but i finally did it, sorry if anyone thought this thread was made to rant or something ^^ (even though some of my posts looks like it and i apologize in advance)

diamondust13

01-30-2008, 10:55 PM

*claps*

Definitely, it’s very easy for people from other classes to criticize the work of a supporter, yet most of them probably wouldn’t last a day as an acolyte.

As for sakura, I have never seen her in game (I’ve been away from it for a while too), but the fact that she made it into a cleric means she can’t really be bad as a supporter. Only thing wrong about her seems to be her attention whoring on this tread and even that may have been just lapse. Congrats to her for her class change too ;)

You'd be surprised at how bad a high level aco can be -_-
I've seen 6x's just sitting and being, as I'd noted, a heal-bot, not doing the job as it was intended in its entirety. I'm frankly a little TICKED OFF that some of the higher leveled knights go to Rudwork and aggro ever mob on the map, taking only 1-2 damage per hit, bringing one or two acos along to heal... these acos are happy because they're gaining levels fast: every kill gives them 0.3-1% and there's at least 30 on him.
If you are an acolyte destined tor Cleric, do not disgrace the class and yourself by using this cheap, vile, disgusting method of leveling. You're doing yourself no favors by not doing the work and LEARNING how to be an Acolyte properly... And what is the point of getting a high level or even being a Cleric if you're just going to be it in title only? The level and class change are glorious indeed, but why be it if in such a hollow fashion?
If you're going predictor and just wanna get there, it's a little more acceptable... I still do not condone your actions, lazy bums -_-

Do NOT run into me if you are one of these people who take the easy way out. YOU WILL NOT HEAR THE END OF IT.

Shamusthepirate

01-31-2008, 12:06 PM

You'd be surprised at how bad a high level aco can be -_-
I've seen 6x's just sitting and being, as I'd noted, a heal-bot, not doing the job as it was intended in its entirety. I'm frankly a little TICKED OFF that some of the higher leveled knights go to Rudwork and aggro ever mob on the map, taking only 1-2 damage per hit, bringing one or two acos along to heal... these acos are happy because they're gaining levels fast: every kill gives them 0.3-1% and there's at least 30 on him.
If you are an acolyte destined tor Cleric, do not disgrace the class and yourself by using this cheap, vile, disgusting method of leveling. You're doing yourself no favors by not doing the work and LEARNING how to be an Acolyte properly... And what is the point of getting a high level or even being a Cleric if you're just going to be it in title only? The level and class change are glorious indeed, but why be it if in such a hollow fashion?
If you're going predictor and just wanna get there, it's a little more acceptable... I still do not condone your actions, lazy bums -_-

Do NOT run into me if you are one of these people who take the easy way out. YOU WILL NOT HEAR THE END OF IT.

I know what you're talking about, leeching like that doesn't really make you any good. And I've seen the knight you're probably talking about xD

Somniloquy

01-31-2008, 03:56 PM

No, it is not a rant, Sakura. I would like to define this thread another way. Its a window on the state of play with the Acolyte class at this point in time.

I think anyone that really is a dedicated MMO healer that comes into this game will read a thread like this to get a feel for the way the healing class is perceived and how it generally plays out.

Some of the posts are negative I guess but theres also a lot here that is really useful to newcomers to SoS, especially players that have been specialising in healers for some time. Its always nice to know the issues that the class has to deal with and helps us integrate into the game better.

davisf18

01-31-2008, 07:53 PM

I think being an Aco is the most wonderful thing in the entire world of Solstice. The passion i feel of being this type of class, i cant even describe it!

When i first started this game, i didnt know what to expect. When it came time to choosing a class i wasnt sure what to go with at first. I did however decided that if i really wanted to play this game i would pick one class and stick with. That's when i decided to become a healer.

A define an Aco as someone who will go to great lengths to help another, even at the cost of his or her own life. It takes great strength and courage to live life as an acolyte. Constantly being either praised or cursed at for a "job well done" or causeing death upon party members

When someone dies while in my care, a part of me dies along with them. Luckily with the friends ive made and the connections that ive had with the players in this game have kept my heart full and alive! I thank players like that everyday.

Claiomh.Solais

01-31-2008, 08:48 PM

You'd be surprised at how bad a high level aco can be -_-
I've seen 6x's just sitting and being, as I'd noted, a heal-bot, not doing the job as it was intended in its entirety. I'm frankly a little TICKED OFF that some of the higher leveled knights go to Rudwork and aggro ever mob on the map, taking only 1-2 damage per hit, bringing one or two acos along to heal... these acos are happy because they're gaining levels fast: every kill gives them 0.3-1% and there's at least 30 on him.
If you are an acolyte destined tor Cleric, do not disgrace the class and yourself by using this cheap, vile, disgusting method of leveling. You're doing yourself no favors by not doing the work and LEARNING how to be an Acolyte properly... And what is the point of getting a high level or even being a Cleric if you're just going to be it in title only? The level and class change are glorious indeed, but why be it if in such a hollow fashion?
If you're going predictor and just wanna get there, it's a little more acceptable... I still do not condone your actions, lazy bums -_-

Do NOT run into me if you are one of these people who take the easy way out. YOU WILL NOT HEAR THE END OF IT.

Now that I think about it, you’re right, I started from the assumption that in order to lvl fast as an aco you need to be skilled so that people will actually want you in a party. But then again, while I gained my lvls as aco working hard to be in good parties it's true that I ended up partying with quite a few high lvl characters that sucked hard, so I suppose that also holds true for other acos, as long as you have friends or simply know people to go out and party at good places you don’t really need a job well done… I’ve always found it amazing how mmorpg societies tend to work very similarly to real ones =/

someaznguy

02-01-2008, 01:22 PM

ok I'm just here to blow off some steam ever since i solo people pass by while i was fighting "BUFF PLEASE". I WAS STILL FIGHTING BUT NOOO THEY STEAL MY KILL AND TAKE THE ITEM. I just gotta write this down that I have a life in this game too and its not for me to buff ever single frigging person passing by randomly, so since i stopped buffing random people you know what i do? watch them die AHAHAHA. Heh sorry but this how it goes for me when people frigging driving me nuts. This is a fact of the life a Aco that knows buffs.
(and to think that I'm happy with this class >:d )

Drelovely

02-01-2008, 04:12 PM

I think i'm probably the 1st Squire to posts. but this topic has become rather intresting. first i'd like to apolozige to all those Aco's that are being treated like thrash. don't wrry about idiotic ppl like that. nxt i'd like to personally say i for one LOVE my acos (ok...Pep's my favorite..hehe) b/c there has been a few times that i've almost died and has had an aco heal me and thus save my skin. i think the best thing to do when it comes to partying is to send out as much buddy requests you can and prune the good party members from the bad. also a party doesn't have to be FULL to be useful. so far the best parties i have been in are usually three man or four man groups. and aco, myself (squire), and neo/archer/mage. or two acos and two squires, or two neos, or a squire and a neo....ya'll get the picture. lastly i'm always looking for a good party so if ur in Eir a lot, whisper me or something. and if u hate ur party members...join mine...XD

Claiomh.Solais

02-01-2008, 05:33 PM

If people who are in no way related to you ask for buffs, just tell them that it's one mp pot per skill you use on them. If they accept, you actually win some mp (no skill actually costs the 20 mp that the pot will heal you :P) and if they don't, just let them walk away cursing or whatever they want.

Also, I was a good aco on my time as one, so if any other good ones wanna party with a disciple, no problems here. Any party size could do.

Lost_Sage

02-01-2008, 05:51 PM

Claiomh.Solais

02-01-2008, 06:15 PM

Disciples are solo fighters, and Aco's are solid supporters. These are the rules and usually (espessially today) i got a number of ppl asking for buffs. It's tiring and all, so i really can't wait until i promote to a Disciple. Then, i can keep all the buffs to myself :).

There's still people who come asking for a buff every now and then xd

But yup, it’s not as bad as when you’re an acolyte.

SpiritGirl81

02-01-2008, 07:45 PM

I have only had one bad party, where I felt like they had no idea how hard it is to keep track of everyone. I've noticed that the larger the party the harder it is to keep track, especially if you have more than one acolyte in it. Unless you talk to one another and have strategized who heals and buffs who, it is quite a challenge.

Lost_Sage

02-01-2008, 08:21 PM

There's still people who come asking for a buff every now and then xd

But yup, it’s not as bad as when you’re an acolyte.

Disciples can only buff themselves. That totally eliminates the question of asking for buffs.

Disciples can also serve as a secondary healer in a party, first being the acolyte. Their Assist heal may not seem strong when casted, but overtime, after you take some dmg, it will eliminate the need for spamming hp pots during combat.

Claiomh.Solais

02-01-2008, 08:32 PM

Disciples can only buff themselves. That totally eliminates the question of asking for buffs.

Disciples can also serve as a secondary healer in a party, first being the acolyte. Their Assist heal may not seem strong when casted, but overtime, after you take some dmg, it will eliminate the need for spamming hp pots during combat.

Not very observant aren't you?

I'm already a disciple, so you said nothing new for me. What I meant with my post is that even as a disciple, there's people who don't know that our buffs are only for ourselves and come asking for them -.-u

As for that usage for assist heal, if you have a skilled enough aco in a party of 8 or simply two acos, there's no need for us to use it to heal other unless things get really sticky, in which case we just fall back from the combat and start sending our assist heals to all who are tanking at the moment.

Trashknight

02-01-2008, 10:47 PM

Tell me about it; I had to explain it so many times in closed beta when people came asking, or partied with me. Add that Xenians wanted me to buff them with AH. ^_^'

donkeyCHUM

02-02-2008, 01:26 AM

am i the first to say that this is a big thread, holy ****es.:p

and also that som of the posts in here are pretty deep which surprised me b/c this is just a computer game. but if ur in a party with crap ppl demanding heals/buffs all the time screw them over and kill them, then leave party and get a new one:D

soon to be aco once i finish downloading the game xD
[(50%)i have played this game as rouge, aco, and mage but quit b/c playing other game:p]

Kaida_Yuuna

02-04-2008, 04:12 PM

Um. . . you can't kill people in game, well in pvp, but an aco would probably lose if it came down to a fight. We're just healers with one magical attack.

manic33

02-04-2008, 04:30 PM

Um. . . you can't kill people in game, well in pvp, but an aco would probably lose if it came down to a fight. We're just healers with one magical attack.

Just wait until you get Ghost Steal and Oblivion! =D

Kaida_Yuuna

02-04-2008, 04:35 PM

heh, I'm trying to be patient. But it's a long way to being a cleric. Let's find a bright side. . . hmmm . . . I'm over halfway there. Yay! x.x

Claiomh.Solais

02-04-2008, 07:07 PM

Um. . . you can't kill people in game, well in pvp, but an aco would probably lose if it came down to a fight. We're just healers with one magical attack.

Actually, for an aco in a party is quite easy to get people killed, just wait till you're somewhat surrounded by enemies (or even better, on a tight spot) and don't heal the tanks... of course, be ready to warp away if enemies come your way. To make it even more fun, just IQ a few mobs that are near the tanks and warp away (obviously, you do this when they are already fighting something and in need of healing), then just wait to read the cussing trough the party chat. Very fun indeed :D

Lost_Sage

02-04-2008, 07:20 PM

@Manic33: Congrats, Manic33, you made it.

@Claiomh: Are you saying that ppl STILL come to you to ask for buffs, even though you are a Disciple?

Claiomh.Solais

02-04-2008, 07:45 PM

@Manic33: Congrats, Manic33, you made it.

@Claiomh: Are you saying that ppl STILL come to you to ask for buffs, even though you are a Disciple?

Yes ^^U

Though it's not a lot of people, but the random newbie now and then does it.

manic33

02-04-2008, 08:07 PM

@Manic33: Congrats, Manic33, you made it.

@Claiomh: Are you saying that ppl STILL come to you to ask for buffs, even though you are a Disciple?

Thanks! ^^
I did finally make it! lol

Kaida_Yuuna

02-04-2008, 09:27 PM

Actually, for an aco in a party is quite easy to get people killed, just wait till you're somewhat surrounded by enemies (or even better, on a tight spot) and don't heal the tanks... of course, be ready to warp away if enemies come your way. To make it even more fun, just IQ a few mobs that are near the tanks and warp away (obviously, you do this when they are already fighting something and in need of healing), then just wait to read the cussing trough the party chat. Very fun indeed :D

O.O Oh, I meant attack the person with IQ. Never thought of that. But it sounds kinda mean. . . they keep the monsters off you after all. ^-^VVV

Sakura301

02-04-2008, 10:57 PM

Finally heaven has showed me the light!!! healing all ppl at once with major heal sure helps ^^ now i dont have to worry when every1's losing hp at the same time.

bearbugs010

02-04-2008, 11:56 PM

Finally heaven has showed me the light!!! healing all ppl at once with major heal sure helps ^^ now i dont have to worry when every1's losing hp at the same time.

CONGRATS! you' ve made it:D well u did not lose hope:)

Claiomh.Solais

02-05-2008, 10:11 AM

O.O Oh, I meant attack the person with IQ. Never thought of that. But it sounds kinda mean. . . they keep the monsters off you after all. ^-^VVV

If the party is good and/or friends, you would have to be stupid to try to get them killed. The method I described is to be used when you get into a party with random strangers and the party ends up sucking, with people treating you bad.

manic33

02-05-2008, 01:07 PM

If the party is good and/or friends, you would have to be stupid to try to get them killed. The method I described is to be used when you get into a party with random strangers and the party ends up sucking, with people treating you bad.

Actually if you intentionally kill someone it can get you banned. So I don't recommend it. XP
Also, if you don't like the party just leave it!

Sakura301

02-08-2008, 09:28 PM

Actually all lives come to an end eventually

Shamusthepirate

02-09-2008, 12:21 AM

Actually all lives come to an end eventually

You make that sound like a bad thing o.o I wouldn't wanna live forever, if we get all wrinkly in our 70s, imagine yourself at age 1000. xD
There are many other reasons, but I don't feel like going into any of them. *points at sig* Lazy man coming through.

And whats up with your sig Saku?

Mikitan

02-09-2008, 12:50 AM

*sigh*

Wished you stayed, but it doesn't matter much now does it.

Nixxy

02-09-2008, 02:31 AM

Well reading this thread did seem like a cry for attention, not that i mind that but its how i took some of it.

Im happy for you for getting to cleric sak you seem like a lovely girl. Manic too i remember the first time saw you as one outside essene item shop =p

Anyway i for one love Aco's and everything they do, be it buffing or healing or anything else! I try to never blame acos if they dont heal me and i die because ultimately its a privilage for me to have them, not a right. Which is just the reason i love having an aco with me, even if im soloing. Good exp for both of us, extra damage for me, i can take a hit or two and not worry, and some nice company for a change! Love it!

i have a level 33 aco and i was the only one in a party of 8 going from alicia to rudwork and i can tell you it was such hard work and it made me appreciate you guys all the more!

Nixxe <3 Aco's =d

Bob and Windum get a special mention cause you both rock my socksies.

Also any other nice aco's out there!

Gerralt

02-09-2008, 11:37 AM

ootyroo

02-09-2008, 07:24 PM

to be perfectly honest i dont mind being an aco and doing all the work

ive been in parties where ppl have split up and i spent the entire night running from one of the map to the other just to heal ppl.
if they say thx or not i dont mind
its my job and i took the class knowing what i was getting into.
the thing that annoys me though is the looting situation in parties
normally i hang a bit back and do my buffing/healing from there
and almost every party i've been in the fighters kill then grab the look quickly even for stuff i need like aco armour and staffs and skill books.
it pisses me off because they ppl expect me to use pots to boost my mana to heal them.
the only time i ever manage to get any decent loot is when im soloing and frankly it make better exp to when i solo as opposed to the .1 or whatever i get when im in a group.

man i feel your pain...
well not anymore =P
but yes in my experiance when i first started this game people were very very ...very greedy. but ya know theres an easy solution, leave them lol maybe theyll learn and take a step back and say:
"wow i was being a noob, no wonder all acos hate me"
or maybe not.

however there is no need to party these people.
when i first started out i partied a few times but just like you i found myself running from one side of the map to the other... then i decided to solo most of the way (till about 40 or so) doin so made me appreciate a good party and learn that i could leave a bad one and lvl on my own.

in regards to equips that drop:
people that i normally party with always share the loot, ie party share loot option, but if an armor drops thats +1 with or with out ap and i need it guess what happens? my party members know i work hard for them so they in return give me what i need =D on the other end, i know they work hard for me and i am more then willing to share the wealth ~.^
IMO your best bet is to find one person to party with and try and stick with them for as long as possible. mind you this isnt an easy task with many just trying the game out and deciding its not for them. the path of an aco isnt an easy one but the few patient helpful people out there learn to push on or so to speak xD

in short:
Dont give up =D

Sakura301

02-09-2008, 09:18 PM

You make that sound like a bad thing o.o I wouldn't wanna live forever, if we get all wrinkly in our 70s, imagine yourself at age 1000. xD
There are many other reasons, but I don't feel like going into any of them. *points at sig* Lazy man coming through.

And whats up with your sig Saku?

My sig means im dead

Shamusthepirate

02-09-2008, 10:42 PM

My sig means im dead

Well thats a shame, you got to lv 71 and quit eh? Well I hope you had some fun times while it lasted, thanks for showing me what a cleric could do that one time.

Gerralt

02-09-2008, 11:47 PM

man i feel your pain...
well not anymore =P
but yes in my experiance when i first started this game people were very very ...very greedy. but ya know theres an easy solution, leave them lol maybe theyll learn and take a step back and say:
"wow i was being a noob, no wonder all acos hate me"
or maybe not.

however there is no need to party these people.
when i first started out i partied a few times but just like you i found myself running from one side of the map to the other... then i decided to solo most of the way (till about 40 or so) doin so made me appreciate a good party and learn that i could leave a bad one and lvl on my own.

in regards to equips that drop:
people that i normally party with always share the loot, ie party share loot option, but if an armor drops thats +1 with or with out ap and i need it guess what happens? my party members know i work hard for them so they in return give me what i need =D on the other end, i know they work hard for me and i am more then willing to share the wealth ~.^
IMO your best bet is to find one person to party with and try and stick with them for as long as possible. mind you this isnt an easy task with many just trying the game out and deciding its not for them. the path of an aco isnt an easy one but the few patient helpful people out there learn to push on or so to speak xD

in short:
Dont give up =D
yep i know
and i just wish ppl were at least gracious enough to offer up aco items to an aco =\
heck ive given ppl things like ywms and other quest items for free just cause they asked for it.
frankly it just makes me wanna solo from now on till i get enough loot not to care about it anymore

ootyroo

02-10-2008, 03:18 AM

My sig means im dead

still striving for attention saying your goin to quit eh?
how many times is it now like er 5 to be realistically honest
either give up or keep trying...but dont act like your immense suffering will begin the apocalypse.

youve had so many people help you its ridiculous.. even someone with credit card.. and even with endless partys and a seemingly endless supply of sparkcash you still act like this...

my official reaction:
Bye

sorry for anyone who knows sak or thinks im being rude this is just my opinion after all, and that doesnt mean much... you were a pretty good aco when you wanted to be ~.^

Exstaphion

02-11-2008, 06:02 PM

I for one, love secret of the solstice and I've played this game with all for different classes. I'm trying to get all four of them to even out. With my experience, i've taken on many perspectives and I must say, that being an acolyte-though having slow levelups-do have it's rewards.

I mean everytime I buff or heal a person in need, it feels good. And it's not in my nature to just leave someone to die...

I have partied with a lot of nice and appreciative people and when partying with an acolyte I find it ten times more fun than any other class. Though I must admit, that when I party, I rarely do the attacking cause I'm the weakest one, as far as levels go. All I do is buff and keep my party alive and I still get exp. I love my buddies because they're always appreciative even when they don't say but I know they're thankful cause they always kill the monsters that attack me. I don't know about u guys that have acolytes on ur team but i must ask...

does it annoy any of you sometimes if you have an acolyte that is lower level than you? I mean I know I'm not the strongest and I never attack monster but I always try my best to do my job and heal all weakened allies. Just wondering though...

Propanol

02-11-2008, 09:42 PM

As for myself... at least for now, Aco seems to be less boring than other jobs when being in party. Aco feels high responsibility to keep everyone alive and keep buff on everyone. Someone could take it as guaranteed and as nothing special. But someone could be respectful on your hard job.

Strangely, I like it when people spread out and made it difficult to heal & buff on them evenly. In this kind of situations, I am forced to seek the best way to get the job done well. And definitely it kills some boredom and makes my eyes open.

Lovesnuffles

02-12-2008, 07:19 AM

ashley88

02-12-2008, 08:47 AM

For me, i seriously love being an aco, it really feels good><heal buff and help all the way.When i was an apprentice, i like clear magic"ing" people. Also i was(you could call me) desperate on apreciation=p

Im now very happy being an aco, just the BUFF and HEAL part kinda is annoying. But, if they say pleaase and thank you i dont mind^^ahaha if you come by me id help anyone:D

Oh, and people spreading out??haha, if they did i dunno, they might die><

Summoner_Shiina

02-12-2008, 09:02 PM

Umm, first off, please don't ever refer as an Acolyte to something as one time use. Acolytes could easily be argued the MOST important class in the game. Next, a good Acolyte never let's the party use him/her. If th party cannot seem to understand when it is time for buffs, and then time to fight, use common sense. LET THEM DIE. I for one have no problem with it. I've done it before, and would never hesitate to do it again. Healing is not just a job, it takes skill, precision, and good judgement to be able to make split second decisions, which could mean life or death of the party. As a former/current Acolyte myself, I can tell you all this much. I'm not dying for anyone. If the tanks can't do their job to make sure the mobs don't get to you, it's obvious someone needs work. Also, don't just party with anyone. If you can't find someone who you trust to party with, then it looks like you need to SUCK IT UP AND SOLO. A party is nice, but is by no means required. I for one consider myself a good aco, seeing as how I know how to handle aggro, heal, and buff. Basically what it all comes down to is, the Acolyte has the power. You determine who lives, you determine who dies, who's got greater defense and attack, and who doesn't. Not to be haughty and high minded, but sometimes you have to stand up and ont settle for just any old party. Friends make the best ones, and strangers only lead to uncertainty.

My way of Acoing,

Chun-Li lvl 6X Disciple
Chi Healer lvl 39 Acolyte

stormyhill

02-14-2008, 01:13 AM

I know it can be difficult being a aco. The best party I was in was with a party of acos.
Sakura301 if you need someone for a party you can always invite me.

TarsisAgrippa

02-16-2008, 08:56 AM

Claiomh.Solais

02-16-2008, 01:45 PM

I do not wish to seem inflammatory, but it is my opinion that if you play as a healer in a party, your team should expect you to heal and buff every once in awhile. That's what clerics (or acolytes, or white mages or whatever) do.

On the other side of that coin, as a party healer, you are expected to heal and buff every once and again, and while thanks are nice, totally unneccasary.

As a professional paramedic, I can honestly say that you can literally bring someone back from the dead and the only thanks you get is knowing you can do your job.

Oh, and Summoner Shiina, hi-five.

The complaints around here come from when people that aren’t in your party come asking for buffs/heal as if they had a right to it and sometimes they don't even thank for them.

In a party it's obviously your job to support so no one would expect thx there.

Trashknight

02-16-2008, 02:00 PM

Would be something if everyone typed "thx" after each heal and buff in Loren, when partying.... XD

bobalitos

02-18-2008, 09:59 PM

me, i thought it would be really easy being aco. having played ragnarok for a while, it wasnt hard as hard to lvl up. Here, I am lvl 34 now and i HOPE to be cleric but im not really in a rush. Sumtimes i just get on to PLAY (not to be obssesed with lvling up). Having party is fun and faster but my problem is i never leave a bad party. i am usually the only aco and i dont wanna leave everybody without a healer. =P

As for the buffing and healing other ppl, i dont really mind even if they dont thank me. i am satisfied that i already helped. Solo is pretty bad for me, it tok me so long to lvl one time that i never did it again.

this game is fun but sometimes it gets kinda pointless.=P
Heal, buff, heal, buff, buff some more, heal some more, spirit, get mobbed, die. then all over again. =P

For those of you who are feeling it takes too long, my advice is to take a breather (varies from minutes to hours or DAYS) and see how far u made it.
then u can keep surging to that next job. =P