Alright people get over yourselves already

[Atmor]

Let me start by saying that I am sorry if this thread offends anyone, but I need to state my opinion as I believe it is worth stating.

First, high level people in Uruga, get over yourselves. I say this because you are not the only ones who belong there. I was soloing there at level 30 on my cleric, and I heard no complaints at that time. When SEG and the relog glitch appeared then yes you had small reason to complain as then the gold spammers could get there, but I have heard of an increasingly large amount of people training the lower level people intentionally because they don't belong there. Now to take your side a little, I don't believe anyone under 25 belongs there and that is pushing it. I believe if there is to be a level lock like people want it should be at 25 or 30 to be fair. I implore you ************* who train lowbies anywhere to stop it and get over yourself. If you don't like them ignore them.

Secondly, the block feature is in no way an excuse to spam for titles, and spamming should be reported not ignored and therfore encouraged.

Thirdly, stop spreading stupid rumors such as the various KQ rumors. These rumors include but are not limited to: "If we finish faster we will get a better reward", "Don't use stun as it resets the boss's aggro", "don't use lightning bolt as it pulls aggro". These are all I can think of at the moment. Now if a GM, CM, CSR, or maybe a CL would like to tell me that any of these are true than I will gladly make an edit and an apology, but until then I will call people who spread these rumors liars, and annoyences. The speed of the KQ and the number of fakes killed in mara don't matter, the reward is random, get over it. Stun reseting the boss's aggro is something made up by incompetent tanks that can't hold aggro. Also stunning does not make the bosses in mara do their specials. Lightning Bolt does not pull aggro, though like any spell it will contribute. So anybody can pull aggro if the tank doesn't create enough of it.

That is it for now. No flaming please.

[Deedolith]

Yep, almost anything can pull aggro:
Simple hits, Critical hits, Direct damage spells, damage over time spells, healing spells, Stuns, Taunt ect ect ....
The things are: The fighter class have the best tools (notice the "s") to pull aggro and fighters have to use it wisely to lock mob's attention on their own face, especially when one is doing the main tank job.

[ToorimaKun]

to the URUGA issue:

i have been DUOing in uruga since levl 37... so this only will PT levl 40+ is kinda crap.
**BUT there needs to be some thing to keep people that cant handle them selfs out**

~i say move the gate to some were in CP1~



KQ issue:

STUN: the problem here is if mara is stuned right before she stuns the MT then she recovers frist and will go after any one that attacks her.
-unless MT just tanted before stuned-

the tant at that levl isn't vary efective so its easy to take agro with a crit, high damage or some one spam healing

[Jhanniss]

I think I will peek in and give a tiny feedback on the training part. I've heard so many newbies crying "trainer trainer" but the pictures show them standing on the main stairways that is the most traveled area for people coming and going.

That area is a death trap to even high levels for the people that come storming through with a throng of mushy's and orcs on their tail.

Ultimately the axe swings both ways. While there are extremely low levels there in Uruga (the Hollywood of Isya) seeking fast fame, fortune, and levels... they're there to stay and not going anywhere till if they ever decided to stick in level restrictions.

[Mikencloud]

I agree! For the most part...

[Atmor]

Yeah well I understand that the stairs in Uruga are a death trap, though I do find it fun to stand there and kill the incoming trains by myself :P, but I am more refering to the people that do intentioanlly train, and I have seen it many times. I was in Uruga a few weeks ago with a party and this lowbie mage that had followed us there through CP kept intentionally training us and I almost had him banned but unfortuanatly he deleted his character first so the GMs couldn't ban his account...In anycase so I know both sides of the sotries, as I have been trained for various reasons, mostly for fun apparently, and also I feel for the Uruga lock as well, but not higher than 30.

[madrid951]

Umm, when a fighter stuns Mara or Marlone, Yes she/he does a special that locks you to the ground with vines -.- somthing gay like that....

[XpierulesX]

With archers when you spam your skills over a short peroid of time the enemy may move to you o.o.

[Atmor]

Madrid, I am sorry but you really have no clue do you? I have done the Mara KQ with three or four fighters from 17-25 and NEVER have they done their special BECAUSE I stunned them. Their skill is on a timer from my experiance, it is VERY predictable, and no amount of stunning will make it come faster. Now yes if they are stunned and the time when they would normally use it while they are stunned passes, they may use it immediatly after being unstunned, but not BECAUSE I stunned them.

XpierulesX that is because you did alot of damage, and the tank, assuming there is one that is a fighter, did not taunt enough.

And if you were wondering I recreated so many times because I was experimenting with empowerments and builds until I finally found what I wanted.

[madrid951]

Gold Hill's Mara does -.- "EVERY TIME" Unless your stun is a sucsess, if you miss then it go's all crazy ape on you....

[XpierulesX]

Gold Hill doesn't have a Mara.. o.o You mean Marlone

[maldar]

Gold Hill's Mara does -.- "EVERY TIME" Unless your stun is a sucsess, if you miss then it go's all crazy ape on you....

Gold Hill has a Mara? Where? There is a Marlone, but I have yet to see a Mara.

I have to agree, the specials are on a timer. How have I determined this you may ask. After running four characters through that KQ close to a hundred times I have picked up on some things. The special attacks are very uniform in the length of time between them. It doesn't matter if they have been stunned or not, they have a cool down just like we do and will use the special when the cool down is over. Pretty simple to figure that one out.

[smitske]

ye i heared that BS to of KQ, and i say its timer.
also no mara in gold hill

also, im a cleric, for me problems of noobs in uruga are bad, ive seen 5 people in last hour shouting for low lvl cleric, as for im lvl 55 and my damage sux to solo i need pt but they get it instead.

[Asgara]

There is an old thread for the stun:

http://www.outspark.com//forums/showthread.php?t=25847

Do read through it, if you start believing in the rumors.

As for Uruga level requirement, it would be nice to have in theory, but it won't happen in my opinion. Unless if I'm wrong, the only place with any level requirement is in KQs and dungeons.

[TheJello]

Okay, I understand that the front gate and such is a "death" zone. I myself have never been to Uruga, but I don't need to for what I'm going to say.

Training is still training no matter where you are. Please kill your monsters instead of playing Snake with your character. (Yes, that old little game where you eat little orbs and grow bigger.)

I'm sure this has been stated before, and if it has not, then I will state it. I think a suggestion to solve this problem, would be to create a monster "safe" zone. An area where monsters cannot pass. but also, and area where players cannot attack. So that players cannot attack a monster behind the safe zone where the monster cannot reach. I completely understand this training problem. Thus, I think this "safe" zone should be located by almost every gate and town. It would be unfair to have someone with long gate screens jump into a gate, and come out the other end dead.

Just my little suggestion.

Thanks!

[Yodaman]

Not reading the whole thread, just do want to comment on one of points that original poster made that is incorrect..... Stun does in fact lower (if not completely clear) aggro. This can be proven very easily. As any good fighter knows, if a mob comes after him and he doesn't want to fight it, he can stun it and walk away from it. In most cases, as long as he is standing out of normal aggro range of the mob when the stun wears off, that mob will have forgotten about him.

I have done this countless times, like if I'm in AEW and a spider or something comes after me (it costs too many stones/pots to kill for my level) I will just stun it and continue on my way. And before you say that I just ran far away from it so it decided not to come after me then, I can stun it and then just step a few paces away (like I said, outside normal aggro range) and when stun wears off, it's like the mob never knew I was there.

No, in regards to stunning in Mara kq..... if the tank isn't good, then I say not to stun.... but if the tank is competent, then stunning is no problem cause the tank will be kicking/mocking to keep/regain aggro.

just my 2 cents.

[FailCaykes]

To your first post.
Stun on the final boss in gold hill makes the boss stun the tank and move to the next target highest on the list.
Lightning bolt on a boss removes an archers bleed debuffs.

[KireiYosei]

Not all high leveled people are like that.
I don't think anyone 35- belongs there, and anyone 40- beyond, and I have my reasons, but I will keep them to myself.

[Tourna]

Think Golden Hills Boss at the end is the only mob that the stun , drops all aggro of the fighter or whoever is tanking , i have a fighter , i could kick or mock right before the boss stuns and still lose aggro , it may be a bug. But who knows , just my two cents.. ^^

P.S
I tested this theory out , kicking on CD pop and mocking , even if you constantly do dmg and kick or mock once that stun hits you lose aggro , no ands ifs or buts about it..

[VorpalBunny]

I find it amusing that some of the players who have the loudest voices regarding level limits in Uruga were either powerleveled there while they were FAR less than level 35 or who consistently train lowerlevel characters there and in CP for friends.

[smitske]

I hope you aint accusing me from being plvled, ive worked hard for my lvl and I want the gate locks badly cause i just get demotivated to go on when i see all them little newbies getting high lvls by just leeching when i had to work so damned hard to get there.

[HateUchiha]

smite for u i understand its hard seeing all the noob clerics just getting partyed to spam heal.

this is somthing that happend recently, and something i noticed.

when my archer was lv 47-53 i duo alot with clerics. this one cleric(not saying any names) was around lv 27 he wanted a party, so im like...ok lets party. about 2 weeks later i see that same cleric and hes lv 50+ >.>

this is why alot of clerics have just givin up, it gives the cleric class a bad name all together. you see ppl just saying well, all a cleric has to do to lv is ask for party in uruga. and like smite is saying some clerics acualy worked hard for their lv, yet now these little ''leachers'' can obtian a lv that most ppl have to work 2 months on in about 2 weeks.

[KireiYosei]

Doesn't a level 30 miss a lot on stuff in Uruga? I mean.. the mobs there are 30 levels higher than them, that has to effect their aim drastically, even with an aim scroll. And thus that would slow down the kill speed, and although each kill is good exp, it doesn't mean its better exp ultimately.
I just feel that people are getting too ahead of themselves. In my early 30s, I was in MT, then mid 30s, VT, then in my 40s, CP. I first grinded in Uruga when I was level 48, and even then, I had bad aim on the mobs, and the kills were kind of slow.
If this is how it is, then the level 60s should be grinding in Burning Rock right now, and the 70s, beyond that o.O

[smitske]

well thats the issue, clerics dont need to hit, they want us to be merely heal slaves(which we are due to a lack of offensive skills) and the other ones just want plvl and leech without really contributing.

[chuui]

v agrees with >.>

[BlackDuck]

Doesn't a level 30 miss a lot on stuff in Uruga? I mean.. the mobs there are 30 levels higher than them, that has to effect their aim drastically, even with an aim scroll. And thus that would slow down the kill speed, and although each kill is good exp, it doesn't mean its better exp ultimately.
I just feel that people are getting too ahead of themselves. In my early 30s, I was in MT, then mid 30s, VT, then in my 40s, CP. I first grinded in Uruga when I was level 48, and even then, I had bad aim on the mobs, and the kills were kind of slow.
If this is how it is, then the level 60s should be grinding in Burning Rock right now, and the 70s, beyond that o.O

there is no way a lvl 60 even with a +9 armor could grind in BR ^^ (mob lvls 91-108)
and you don't even wana know the levels in the swamp of dawn and Temple of Spirit... (:eek: SCARY!!!)

a Cleric with all +9 lvl 69 whould die in 2-3 hits.. (talking solo and not party)

here is a tip try attak a Orc Captin on lvl 49 and see if you kill it ;) (thats BR mobs for a lvl 60)

[No-Ne]

Thus, I think this "safe" zone should be located by almost every gate and town. It would be unfair to have someone with long gate screens jump into a gate, and come out the other end dead.

Haha, that's me alright :p

Almost all places where monsters are just by the gate the first thing I'll see is me lying dead on the ground @.@

That's why I'm always killing all the mobs whenever I pass by a gate and don't attack people who just entered a PVP arena and have yet to move ;)

[KireiYosei]

there is no way a lvl 60 even with a +9 armor could grind in BR ^^ (mob lvls 91-108)
and you don't even wana know the levels in the swamp of dawn and Temple of Spirit... (:eek: SCARY!!!)

a Cleric with all +9 lvl 69 whould die in 2-3 hits.. (talking solo and not party)

here is a tip try attak a Orc Captin on lvl 49 and see if you kill it ;) (thats BR mobs for a lvl 60)

But its possible for level 30s to kill level 60 mobs?
I'm a member of a Fiesta fansite, and we have a member on there who plays BK, the Japanese version. Hes level 75 and solo'd at BR.

[reesiecutie]

It is possible for a level 30 to kill mobs in Uruga. They may even do what they consider a grind on said mobs. However, the exp per hour would be far better for them killing/grinding in either VT or CP (at the highest). It's not usually a good strategy to grind on the highest level monster you can kill without it killing you. No one seems to realize this...they just see the bigger exp numbers in Uru and discount grinding anywhere else.

I came to Uruga somewhere between level 40-45. Then, in a party of 3-5, we were able to kill about enough to make the exp better. Mind you, this was when there were a maximum of 15 people in Uruga at any one time. If you wanted a party, you had to bring it with you, and rarely did anyone tiptoe into AEW to see if we could kill there. Ah, the "old days" I miss you so.

Once we hit level 50ish, we went back to CP to grind. Killing Colls and Weakened Ogres when they're at level gave so much more exp so much faster that it just made more sense than hunting big game for terrible drop rates. Grinding prisoners in your mid 50's (especially solo) makes more sense than heading off to Uru if you want exp fast and cheap.

[smitske]

the newcomers dont seem to realize that

[Esoterra]

Not reading the whole thread, just do want to comment on one of points that original poster made that is incorrect..... Stun does in fact lower (if not completely clear) aggro. This can be proven very easily. As any good fighter knows, if a mob comes after him and he doesn't want to fight it, he can stun it and walk away from it. In most cases, as long as he is standing out of normal aggro range of the mob when the stun wears off, that mob will have forgotten about him.

I have done this countless times, like if I'm in AEW and a spider or something comes after me (it costs too many stones/pots to kill for my level) I will just stun it and continue on my way. And before you say that I just ran far away from it so it decided not to come after me then, I can stun it and then just step a few paces away (like I said, outside normal aggro range) and when stun wears off, it's like the mob never knew I was there.

No, in regards to stunning in Mara kq..... if the tank isn't good, then I say not to stun.... but if the tank is competent, then stunning is no problem cause the tank will be kicking/mocking to keep/regain aggro.

just my 2 cents.


No, this is not the stun that removes the aggro. It is the act of you walking away from the mob's line of sight.

[VorpalBunny]

I hope you aint accusing me from being plvled, ive worked hard for my lvl and I want the gate locks badly cause i just get demotivated to go on when i see all them little newbies getting high lvls by just leeching when i had to work so damned hard to get there.

Smitske, you are one of the most honorable clerics I know. I respect your opinion, it is well-reasoned and based on your experiences grinding at those maps. In fact, my earlier comment was in reference to an entirely different server; I will not mention which.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, when these players reach high levels they propagate by powerleveling their friends or guildmates. I also abhor the now common practice of players who invite low-level clerics to party in maps like MT or CP knowing that the difference in levels gives the cleric 1-10 exp per mob while the higher level player levels quickly without the need to leave to get pots/stones or recover lost exp from dying. If there were level limits on all the maps and/or a difference of 7+ levels meant no exp for the lower-level character this would not happen. My play time is very limited due to my job and IRL responsibilities. I also have become demoralized - and even quit playing for a couple of months because of this type of behavior.

[matty19]

i agree how is it that many of the players i met worked our tails off to hit the levels we are at then come to uruga or any other high level area to see lvl 20 newbs running around asking for power levels? sorry i didnt reach lvl 48 to just power level some newb cuz they dont want to go through the hard work and dedication to get where im at.

[blazecheetah]

I'm lvl 26 and I ran to Uruga a few days ago just to see if I could make it. A cleric had to rev me once along the way but I did end up making it xD Just as I came into town though a GM spawned a bunch of Orc Captains. I died once during that but I helped as best as I could to take them down :P I ran my friend up there yesterday too. So far neither of us has had problems with trainers but we try to stay in places that are relatively safe <_<

[Asheer]

This is serious problem and easy to predict but now is too late and what we need is global solution for this issue not only "Lock the Uruga gate" - demand.

All gates should have MINIMAL level required to pass without seting maximal level and this same allow anyone who pass over "lock level" move freely over entire map and such minimal lvl cap should cause automatic warp anyone who not mach this cap to his lvl area and will avoid for example sytuation entering MT by lvl 5 nd please dont be mad but any lowlvl till 25 do not belong there because even spider could get you KO in one hit not to mention mobs possesing ranged attack(vivis, staffs...) or situation when you can be train by people on movers(what by the way was common in MT durring last XP event).

But what we realy need is free from emotions discusion because both sides are guilty spreading flames and accusations what does not help solve this problem.

Quick way to levelup is tempting but i wonder how many players really do quests(and i mean all, even repeatable) not only gathering XP.

[Lasombrs]

Quick way to levelup is tempting but i wonder how many players really do quests(and i mean all, even repeatable) not only gathering XP.

This is what I wonder as well. I have been flamed constantly for my cleric being only lvl 42 after 2-3 months. But I have done every single quest and do all the repeatable quests 2-3 times to earn my exp. I solo mostly because I hate the idea of having to party with people who are only trying to use me as a cleric.

You miss out on a big part of story line if you don't do the quests. And if you aren't playing the game for the story, then why are you here playing anyway?


Baalat lvl 42 Cleric
Lasombrs lvl 27 archer

[ramon246]

i believe the lvl lock for uruga should be 38 because thats when you 1st NEED to go there for a quest, either that or they remove/change that quest, my 1st visit to uruga which i remember very clearly was at 39 with a 39 archer(egolus, my admin now), a 40 cleric (yiyin, another admin for my guild now) and a 44 mage ( muzika , quit now)
and then the only ppl in uruga were 50+ and from collision, GoR, and BR, (proberly capped by then since they were mostly afk or talkin crap with each other >.>) and that was at a time when if you could get there, you deserved to be there, the same doesnt apply noe because with the relog bug, even a lvl one could get there without a sweat, all these low lvls are arguing for no lvl lock or a 25+ lvl lock, because they want the easy way to lvl, lvl only becomes a problem at 42+ so any lvls lower than that can easily lvl at a good speed in their own lvl zone, for if i had no problem doing it playin 4hrs a day, no one should be complaining now that the quests given are pratically doubled, you low lvls are just lazy and by being were you shouldnt, depriving yourself of the necessary skill experience needed to play your class properly and be an asset to your party.

[adryden1313]

I think part of the main issue with Uruga, and why so many of us higher levels have problems with lower levels being there (and this is just my opinion) is the trains. Not that we cant handle it but its just downright rude. The trains to town when someone has a shop up and is AFK how are they suppose to deffend themselves? So i pose this... since obviously we are never going to get a level limit to Uruga, these lower levels are there for farming for money i remember being there, getting 300 some odd copper per quest and getting frustrated that i couldnt afford anything, well until i reached a certain level and the quests started popping out silvers for quests lol...go back to YOUR grinding level, find parties YOUR level...with all the time you waste coming to Uruga trying to find someone to power level you or time you waste trying to farm and die you could have already leveled in your own grinding area. =0)

[Serric]

Hmmm... well, I am not one to go out and "get plvld", but I have hung around with my guild in Uruga with alt. Of course, when the party disbanded I usually went back to Elderine... I guess my point is there probbly should be some allowances.

My question is what purpose do the guards have? Would it not make sense to have them automatically pull aggro and kill mobs that get too close to town? I mean, isn't that their job?? This would solve the ppl pulling trains into the market in Uruga for sure. It would also prevent people from pulling mobs too close to the gates to fight as well.

Of course, there'd always be someone pulling a train to see if they can kill a guard. :0/

[-Leona-]

Let me put this simple.

PEOPLE THAT ARE TO LOW are LEECHERS AND NOTHING ELSE.

HERE"S A FEW EXAMPLES

1. U go duo in AeW at herb stop and what do u see?, u see a level 1-10 farming using u as shield NOW THAT IS ANNOYING as there is no way to get rid of him due to relog glytch.

2. 3 days ago i was wasting a few orcs for fun while my party was getting ready (i only get 3xp from them so i was only doing it for the heck of it), what happens? A level 20 or so come to me and spams with party requests, when i tell him NO he replies "You freakin jerk u 1hit KO orcs and wont' share, dam jerk."

3. U r trying to grind with a party and what happens?. U see several level 30-40 parties coming and barging into your spot saying "WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO BE HERE JUST LIKE U". (while u r in the middle of a mob the fools die and THERE U GO their mob moves to u and u have to fight their mob as well as yours cuz they couldn't handle it themselves). WHAT DO THEY REPLY "haha, no u die as well freakin high levels".

I am fully aware most people are not rude like that but because of those few there should be a level restriction so that people like that don't ruin the gameplay for all the others.

ALL PEOPLE UNDER LEVEL 30 that come to Uruga are nothing but leechers as they can't do pretty much nothing by themselves in there.


I"M SORRY TO SOUND SO HARSH but that is the truth and SOMETIMES when TRUTH strikes it strikes in a really CRUEL WAY.

[smitske]

well said.

[KireiYosei]

I agree Leona. There is nothing wrong with level restrictions. We live with it on the dungeons, other games, like FF11 have level restrictions, and people still play that game and I'm sure they don't complain. Its just keeping people away from mobs they aren't ready to kill and preventing other such annoyances.

[TenshiShukuya]

I actually agree. I think there should be a lvl lock on any map that has mobs. But I think those with higher levels than those with lower should realize it's not the level that makes a good player, it's the person pushing the keys on their computer. Yes. Make it about 35+ for Uruga that'd be fine.. gives enough room for lower lvl's to occassionally party with guild members of a higher level even though they don't have quests in Uruga until 38. The point of a game is to have fun, not walk around with binds on them. Plus most characters that have reached 35 (the normal way, not via plvl) you know they plan on staying around for a while so they probably (in most cases) learned the basic's of their character, and are ready to learn something new. I think 5 lvl's under the area's mob lvl is a good lvl to open a map up to a character.

They have signs posted up in Roumen saying what lvl things go from sog 15-20 ect ect. And while it's hard I'm sure most of you by lvl 12 can kill some of the things in SoG. (not all but most) no matter the class. If you wanna take the hard way to lvl fine, like someone pointed out the xp in ratio to the loss of xp isn't always worth it. I do believe it should be enforced, I don't beleive any map should have (With exception to places like the hideout and graveyard) a level cap; once you've earned your wings on one map and have moved onto another you've earned the right to use that map for what ever.

uruga should be 35+
AEW 45+
FOS 55+

keep in mind I'm talking in terms of soloing. If you have a party I think the lvl block should drop by the number of people in your party..

2 ppl in party drop 2 lvls on the lvl block (just my thought)

This forces people to earn there wings in a map. keeps most botters out, and gold spammers that would take advantage of such things.

As per the rudeness given from highers to lowers... non of the characters I play in Uruga are under 40 and I still get that.. My main is 46 and I party in AEW and still get harrassed by 50+ players, even though my party is in its 40's and has killed to get to our spot where we want to play, and while most mobs in there are hard some aren't so hard and with a good party we can handle it.. Yet I still get partys and people who complain to our party even if we aren't bugging them saying things like "This is a 50+ map" and "You shouldn't be here" Been told I don't belong there even, and told to leave to a different spot *one less hospitable for my partys lvl* so that they could grind/aoe the mobs we were already killing before they got there. Didn't matter that our party was there first and we weren't aoeing... we were just trying to have fun and lvl our characters, maybe get a few saps along the way.

So yeah I understand why the lower lvl's in Uruga complain. It's harsh being treated like your trash simply because you aren't a high lvl in the area. That aside that doesnt' change my opinion different maps need different lvl locks.

[-Leona-]

So yeah I understand why the lower lvl's in Uruga complain. It's harsh being treated like your trash simply because you aren't a high lvl in the area. That aside that doesnt' change my opinion different maps need different lvl locks.

Although i dont' agree with people being rude in any way whether we are talking about high levels be rude to low level or low levels be rude to high levels (since behind the pc we are all equal humans) the LOW LEVELS in uruga have no right to complain whatsoever, if they dont' like it then they should go to an appropiate map rather than calling people rude and selfish for refusing to plvl their sorry @$$es.

[smitske]

i saw 2 days ago people that prefered to aoe with a lvl 7 fighter in AEW woods to get it to lvl 20 in 5 minutes.
I doubt if it realy was a new(prolly an alt) but still i find this discusting.

[Gaaraxxx]

Partying only level 40+ isnt crap...
Except maybe if youre a cleric, or if youre partying with guildies or friends.
In my opinion youre completely useless in the uruga areas until ATLEAST 40.

You will RARELY be able to hit anything, and when you do its like 50-150 damage.
If youre any class other than cleric it would take you a few minutes for a single mob and multiple hp pots/ stones.
I have NO difficulty with low levels being there, just dont expect a party, i have level 20-30's literally falling me around saying *youre party isnt full, why cant i join".
Use common sense, youre completely useless.
Ill stick to the parties that can accomplish things together, not leech off another.
Thats my input, as stingy as it sounds; its the mindset of many players who dont want to be leeched off of.

That being said, Ill power level anyone under 20 to 20 in uruga :P!

[TenshiShukuya]

yeah I personally, seriously, dislike plvling, and really dislike it even if it's guild members asking.. it's frustrating. But I don't think anyone should be rude to someone just because they aren't a certain lvl. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. And yes I feel that they have the right to complain even if they "Don't belong there" because being treated rude is something no one should have to just shut up and deal with. However, I do believe that they should not be in maps they can't handle, that they shouldn't be surprised that people don't want to help them out or have them leech. And that yes some will be cranky about it after being hounded non stop by various, or even the same guy/girl 3+times in less than 15 secs. If someone says no.. Leave it at that, be glad they were nice and answered. Be glad they didn't go off on you, not because you asked but because you were the 1000th person who asked in under a min and that really can kill game play enjoyment.

[sammyhelsing]

People also tend to forget something; just beacuse the mob gives higher exp doesnt mean it is faster grinding with them.

For example, the other day i saw a duo of fighter and cleric in the mid 30's whacking a King Mushroom .. i mean, sure they are going to get good exp; but how long it took them to kill it? Like 3 minutes. What if that same duo go and kill Harkans? or Goblins? I bet you could kill like 5 harkans in the same amount of time it took them to kill 1 King Mushroom; and even get more exp.

Just because a mob gives you more exp doesnt mean it is faster to lvl up.

[Atmor]

Huh...I totally forgot I even made this thread. Well now that I have read all of the posts, and now that I am at a higher lvl, I can understand where some of the higher lvls are coming from. I must say I still don't like the idea of a lvl lock on any gate, but again if they did come to pass I would ask that they be reasonable, such as Uruga 35, AEW 40-45, FoS 45-50. As for the Gold hill final boss thing, I can not give any input on that, as I hate gold hill with a passion and only played it once or twice. Leona...I must say I don't particularly like your attitude toward lower lvls. Sure they are annoying, I will give you that, but no matter how annoying or how rude they are to you, it does not give you the right to be rude to them. Also everyone remember training with the intent to kill is against the rules, no matter the situation.

[Asheer]

RUDENES HAVE NO PLACE IN WHOLE ISYA!!!

Not only in High lvl areas...

*sigh*... thats what i am assume have take place here.
Discusion in style :

= High lvl - low lvlels are rude towards us : Low lvl - but High lvls are rude towads us as well =

leads to nowhere and only fueled negative emotions and not help to solve this problem.

What we experience is arrival of new "generation" of players who think that because this is only computer game they can do all what they want and because of this they dont need to show even a spark of courtesy and good manners and this is not only Uru problem.
Try move in Elderine as lvl 30! cleric(i am fighter by the way but have cleric friends) and not to be asking 1000 times "Buff plz(and all variations) even from newbies who emerges in Eld after short SoG trip.
This buffs request get out of hand and what i observe many buff spammers dont care what class they ask...
They simple run over entire city, stop by some character in high lvl armour and shout "buff plz"...

Next issue... People may i ask... IS SO HARD TO TYPE "CAN I or YOU JOIN TO PARTY AND HELP ME WHIT QUEST?"

Trust me when you ambush someone who just emerge from other side of gate by sending party invitation be sure on 99.9% that you will get only rejection.
And dont send again after first rejection or you can only get block in effect.
Rejection means NO, and when you have ben rejected try ask POLITELY for help whit quest (or poverlvl if you really must).
When you show a coutesy you will achieve more as by acting like someone who think that is "KING OF THE WORLD"...:D

[Gamerchik93]

honestly i dont think there should be a lvl lock on the gates. The only reason why i dont think this should happen is because some of my close friends in the game wanted to go to AEW or FOS just because of how beautiful it was and it kinda sux for them if they cant go see this beauty with a lvl lock on the doors if u wanna stop them from coming then dont invite them to your party like some people do and eventually once they get the hint that they aren't gonna get a pt ... they will prolly go away :/

as for plvling goes... i mean if u get to a higher lvl and kinda sick of grinding yourself and u want to do something different.... why not be a nice person and take some of your lowbie friends out to a higher place then they are used to....i mean... i get bored of grinding alone for the longest time trying to lvl. So why not take some of my friends to AEW and let them see how pretty it is and i dont know about anyone else but it sure makes me feel good when they lvl and keep thanking u for helping them...cuz i <3 helping people and it makes me feel good when i do....but...other people feel different i get that....this is just my opinion on gate closing and plvling.

[-Lula-]

Biggest problems with low levels in uruga


You're running to restone and 100 people are standing on the steps in a mushroom house and they die cause your in a hurry when a mob 2 hits them
You're trying to aoe and you lose some of your mobs and they attack a low level group - causing them to shout and swear at you calling you a trainer
They attack a mob and run to your group expecting you to help each time
They die in front of your group and ask for revive or relog and keep dying in front of your group
They blame you if they die.
They ask for power-level and if you ignore or refuse they call you greedy and stuck-up. I have plenty of screenshots and im sad ;*( cause I like helping people - just not random beggars


I'm a 6X archer and I should not have to worry about killing mobs on steps each time to save someone. I lose stones this way as archer kills slow. I just wish they wouldn't say I train them and be glad they are allowed to train in uruga to exp. Most other games have a level lock and do not allow power leveling zones.

[Serric]

Let me put this simple.

PEOPLE THAT ARE TO LOW are LEECHERS AND NOTHING ELSE.

HERE"S A FEW EXAMPLES

1. U go duo in AeW at herb stop and what do u see?, u see a level 1-10 farming using u as shield NOW THAT IS ANNOYING as there is no way to get rid of him due to relog glytch.


Get screenshots of them abusing this exploit and send it to a GM. Until it gets fixed, that is the best thing to do in order to dissuade them for continuing.


2. 3 days ago i was wasting a few orcs for fun while my party was getting ready (i only get 3xp from them so i was only doing it for the heck of it), what happens? A level 20 or so come to me and spams with party requests, when i tell him NO he replies "You freakin jerk u 1hit KO orcs and wont' share, dam jerk."


There is no excuse for bad manners. No means no, period. If more people understood that the worlkd would be a better place.


3. U r trying to grind with a party and what happens?. U see several level 30-40 parties coming and barging into your spot saying "WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO BE HERE JUST LIKE U". (while u r in the middle of a mob the fools die and THERE U GO their mob moves to u and u have to fight their mob as well as yours cuz they couldn't handle it themselves). WHAT DO THEY REPLY "haha, no u die as well freakin high levels".


Get screenshots, especially if it happens repeatedly by the same party. That's still training and is punishable.


I am fully aware most people are not rude like that but because of those few there should be a level restriction so that people like that don't ruin the gameplay for all the others.

ALL PEOPLE UNDER LEVEL 30 that come to Uruga are nothing but leechers as they can't do pretty much nothing by themselves in there.


I"M SORRY TO SOUND SO HARSH but that is the truth and SOMETIMES when TRUTH strikes it strikes in a really CRUEL WAY.

I understand your frustration. It doesn't take many "bad apples" to ruin it for everyone. Hopefully, in time, something will be done to accommodate everyone.

[KireiYosei]

I just don't see whats wrong with leveling on stuff near their level. Back in the beginning.. the place was divided equally, it seemed like everyone was where it was appropriate for them. Now.. bots inhabit the empty zones because everyone 30+ is in Uruga and beyond trying to get as much exp as possible and level asap.

Why can't people just slow down and enjoy the game? If you want to explore, wait til you can survive and explore on your own. If you see it all at a lower level, the game just loses its charm quicker. Also with leveling..
I learned the hard way.

[smitske]

yes and if everyone sticked in his plays we would actually have people that had the needed skills to play instead of a lvl 50 cleric that cant keep 1 person alive, and we could have clerics to help us at low lvls(my fighter seldom finds one)

[KireiYosei]

Exactly.. I mean, skill doesn't come with level. Its about quality not quantity. I have seen an increasing amount of people who aren't very good as their "jobs" around my level. Makes you wonder how someone can level that much and get away with the methods they use(ie. I met a tank that didn't like to use mock) and because of that, I avoid partying with people I don't know.

[slashshooter]

I see that all peoples here are talking about level locking the Uruga but what about Elderine? The Elderine needs level lock at least level 10+. Well...... Thats only my suggestion because of goldspammers spamming the Elderine and made furious lag because of their population in Elderine. (Note that all the goldspammers are level 1. Maybe higher in the future....)

[smitske]

some are lvl 6 to, dunno bout elderine what lvl is first quest to go there?

[slashshooter]

According to FiestaWiki site, at level 11+ then you have a quest at Elderine.

[smitske]

i dont have much trouble at elderine, i come there seldom and if i do i take invisible mode.
you cant invisible in urug though :/

[slashshooter]

Well....... the internet lag does happen to me when I'm in Elderine..... But not always though.

[Asheer]

First quest in Elderine is on lvl 11(Deliver Sign of Trust from Chief Roumeus to Guard Capitan in Eld) however whit luck and patience is possible reach Eld via Sand Beach and FoM on lvl 4( I test this so i can confirm).
But i think 90% lowlvl emerging in Elderine respawn from SoG.

[SinisterFiend]

In response to original post about low levels being in uruga. Plain and simple if you can't run or ride to uruga without dieing, you dont belong there.

[Atmor]

In response to original post about low levels being in uruga. Plain and simple if you can't run or ride to uruga without dieing, you dont belong there.

I agree with you, but when a "low lvl" such as a lvl 25 or 30 makes it there legitimatly, they are still treated with much hostility.

[SmokingBear]

simply put sin:)
if u can make it there on ur own..... go home.
im just tried of being trained and spammed with party requests

[smitske]

just stay away if u dont belong there.

[Serric]

I agree with you, but when a "low lvl" such as a lvl 25 or 30 makes it there legitimatly, they are still treated with much hostility.

simply put sin:)
if u can make it there on ur own..... go home.
im just tried of being trained and spammed with party requests

just stay away if u dont belong there.

Hmmmm. I can't say I am happy with this turn of events. :(

We are drawing lines in the sand here. The fact is, and shall remain until the GMs decide to change it, Uruga, as with all towns, are open to anyone and everyone. No one person or group has the right to say who can and cannot be present.

Granted, the issues behind these statements are worth reviewing. Perhaps the GMs are working on something as we speak but the last thing anyone needs is to shift into the mindset of "this is MY side, stay the hell out!". This often raises more problems than it solves.

So, be patient and use your block feature for now and try to move forward the best you can. I am fully aware, as is OutSpark, of the issues with some lower levels there and, sadly, those that are acting inappropriately will probably ruin it for the lower levels that are polite, kind, and non-invasive. C'est la Vie.

I am sure it will be dealt with soon. It's merely a matter of time now.

If you are trained, report it with screenshots.

If you are harassed, report it with screenshots.

If you see a GM in Uruga, whisper him/her and see if they are willing to sneak a peek and see for themselves.

Other than that, there is little else to be done at this stage.

[smitske]

they are workingon locks, look at the notes.

[Asheer]

just stay away if u dont belong there.

Brawo... really exelent post for making people from Uruga MOST HATED PERSONS in game.:(

Do you think about fife minutes what you post?

In return i can say "your levels should stay away from low and mid lvl areas because you have nothing to search there" but such attitude lead to nowhere.

Post like yours cast a very BLACK shadow on ALL players who reside in Uruga and this make me really sad:( because i known people who often visit Uru and they are most kind persons i meet :).

Please unerstand that we face very complex and dificult sytuation and posts like yours does not help to solve them but only make them more complicate.

I think i can suggest maybe most extreme recepy to solve this all issues.

MAKE FIESTA PAY FOR PLAY then when we reduce population to 20% from current state all will be happy, no lag, no wars for spots because will be plenty areas to grind 24/7, all KQs will be easy to enter... but frankly is this what we really need to do...?

[KireiYosei]

I don't think making it pay to play will do much with issues, it'll just be less people. They don't want less players.

[Serric]

I don't think making it pay to play will do much with issues, it'll just be less people. They don't want less players.

Actually, and I am neither for nor against P2P, but by making the game as such would discourage a number of the goldspammers who are now able to make 100% pure profit from the unfortunates who are daft enough to use their services.

In fact, making it P2P would also allow for more in-game content, updates, service, etc. But yes, we would also lose a percentage of our population. It's really a double-edged sword.

[Asheer]

Of course making Fiesta P2P is just clearly hipotetical suggestion from my side :).

But we need global solution free from any negatives.

[KireiYosei]

players > bots IMO. If its F2P, the bots will probably always be here. But, if they make it P2P, the bots will most likely be gone, but a good % of the players will too. And loyal players/customers aren't worth the sacrifice to get rid of spammers(I hope the majority of us are intelligent enough not to use those services). No offense, I love this game and the community to death, but I wouldn't and couldn't pay to play. I and many other loyal outspark members. Thats what makes this game awesome, its free, and pretty darn decent for a free one.

And the threads not really just about the bots, its also players. Someone just may pay to go to AEW and train people.

[smitske]

i make uruga people look black?? lolz
Excuse me for getting mad when i get trained, spamm invited, being called jerk cause i wont buff, being annoyed by noobs BUFF ME REZZ ME whileim fighting 2 or 3 mobs, the same noobs that take my spot in pt's -_-

they deserve it they ruin gameplay.

[Asheer]

i make uruga people look black?? lolz
Excuse me for getting mad when i get trained, spamm invited, being called jerk cause i wont buff, being annoyed by noobs BUFF ME REZZ ME whileim fighting 2 or 3 mobs, the same noobs that take my spot in pt's -_-

they deserve it they ruin gameplay.

You have absolutly right, but to be honest this is not only Uruga problem and this is really explosive sytuation.

Bt what i post was from point of view someone who never been in Uruga and i can only based on observations making by someone other.

Right now what he hear are nothing more as gosips about how quick you can lvl in Uru or get rich in AeW and automatic read such post he will amke assumption that < "greedy and selfish" people in Uruga want all this XPs and treasures for them only>.

Let me state something.

Low levels have nothing to search in Uruga from MATEMATIC Point of view.

Lets see from perspective lvl 25 Fighter.

First of all on this lvl you make other members of party responsabile to keep you alive because you will be nothing more as weak support for main DD and of course forget idea that you will play main tank against all monsters in Uruga and other locations because:

1- Whit lvl 20 weapon your efectivity agaist Orc is about 30% in compare to lvl 30 and high weapons.
2- Your hit rate will be about 40%(if not less) and automaticly your damage will be about +30 or maybe little higher.
(try fight Grave robbers on lvl 5 whit your weapon and you will understand what i mean).

3-XP : its true that you may earn considerable high amount of XP but as fast you earn them you may lost all of them because you may fall a prey of Orc train or sudden spawn of shrooms.
And after hour you may realise that you lost more as this was worth.

And last thing.

On this lvl even Ice vivi from MT will gunned you down so in Uruga area your chance to survive are extremly low and you will be ony a hindrance for high lvls in your party.

Fell free to correct me in my hit - damage assumption (i never been in Uru at lvl 25 so i can only guess about efectivity of lvl 20 weapon agaist Orc).

I think lvl 35 can be considered as minimal lvl to be good party addition because of gear, weapon and of course build.
First good test your abilites is Colapsed Prison.
If on lvl 35 you can kill atleast one type of monsters there then you will be OK in Uruga and good member of grinding party(Forget Soloning because all monsters there will put you down faster as you can imagine).

Some of you will ask how i can known this if i never been there.
Because my sis is already lvl 35 and she can handle single Harkan or Orc really good (against multiple mobs even good party can fail) and she make couple observations there so this give me oportunity to create my own point of view.

[smitske]

double post???

[Asheer]

I am terribile sorry but i did not notice doubleposting :o:o:o

[ToorimaKun]

Madrid, I am sorry but you really have no clue do you?QUOTE]
i don't think his english is that good... i have seen him in other posts and also he is only 15 if i remember right.
[QUOTE=smitske;387176]i make uruga people look black?? lolz
Excuse me for getting mad when i get trained, spamm invited, being called jerk cause i wont buff, being annoyed by noobs BUFF ME REZZ ME whileim fighting 2 or 3 mobs, the same noobs that take my spot in pt's -_-

they deserve it they ruin gameplay.

lol, i hate the people that beg all the time... but i can see were they come from... even as a high levl char i can hardly find a PT and alot of people are jerks and flamers... to many people got Plevled and are high levl and don't know how to use there chars.

*why are we talking about game consels?*