is power leveling for in game banable?

[prettymama]

I would like to know if this is a banable offense. Could someone help me? I want to advertise that I will power lvl for in game money. I just dont want to get ban for this.

[Jhanniss]

I would like to know if this is a banable offense. Could someone help me? I want to advertise that I will power lvl for in game money. I just dont want to get ban for this.


It's pretty much a grey area. As long as you are just Power leveling for in-game money only, I can't see how this is doing any wrong. The only time you can be banned for doing this is if you request real money or something that is outside of the game mechanics (if that made sense).

However, if a GM/CSR wishes to correct me then by all means please do such.

[prettymama]

alright, then for now I will do just that. I will start by advertising on the forum first. thank you for answering me promptly.

[Knifey]

I dont see why you cant sell goods and services, as apposed to just goods.

[smitske]

u can probebly, but people will hate you for it, like me.

[Hydr0]

I think they should ban for this.
it's not fair for pepole like me that when they start there were no lvl 50+ who can train them.. all started as 1 and train together.
it's not that hard to grind. it's very easy but boring.. so just do what we did and start to train your self..

[Sheizou_Marizou]

Whatever. If it's not against the rules I couldn't care less what you do. It's not like it'll be harming me in any way.

[Serric]

As far as I know it is not a violation. A player can request in-game items, etc. for any service performed. Whether another player will actually pay is up to them.

Where it becomes illegal is when someone attempts to sell their character information, items/gear, etc. for actually real-world money or offer powerleveling services by asking for account information of those they wish to powerlevel. Simply put, you MAY NOT share account information with anyone. You can take them out in a party at a pre-arranged time, but you cannot log into their account to play for them at any time.

I hope this clarifies matters a little.

[Tamlinari]

Unless you are using bots to level or paying real money for the service I don't see where it is a violation of the ToS unless it falls under the very ambiguous category of "ruining the spirit of the game".

You just wind up skipping a lot of the game play.
You trade off real experience in exchange for character EXP.
Not a good value trade as far as I am concerned.
Just my opinion.

[Zuldeveran]

going off my own case as a base for this topic. i used to powerlevel with the best in another game not this game. but i don't think its right anymore, mainly it really really really takes away a lot of the games content from your character if you choose to power level. i mean your not going to get to enjoy some of the things that lowbie characters enjoy due to the fact that you didn't care enough to. well that's all i'm going to say to that subject :P sorry for the gross mass of input :P

[ToorimaKun]

the problem i see with this is if people are PLEVLED they don't know how to use there class right.


that part of why the game is falling apart.. clerics think they are DD or TANKs... so people just solo... witch isn't fun at all.

no fun = quit.

[madrid951]

[I needed to post somthing to click on my name to look at my Threads -.- don't make fun of me :D]

[Jhanniss]

What is the person already has a high level character and is being Power leveled. :3

[IroguroMeek]

D=
Jhan Jhan! You never did the "auction" thing xD

[smitske]

i have a "higher " lvl char(only 55 but still) and i still train my lowbies from scratch myself or in a pt with people of same lvl.

its allowed but people wont like it like me i dont like it, itll make people quit cause they had to work hard and now u get noobs who indeed cant play their char at our lvl without any work, this will make a lot of people who actually did a lot fed up and quit.

[XpierulesX]

I could use a powerleveling o.o

[Jhanniss]

D=
Jhan Jhan! You never did the "auction" thing xD


It's backlogged in there somewhere. Besides, I'm waiting for your return. >.>

[IroguroMeek]

It's backlogged in there somewhere. Besides, I'm waiting for your return. >.>

O.O your going to be waiting a LONG time lol...
Well if you decide to do it, I can do a 1 day thing. I'm busy... but I have some free time on the weekends. Just let me know xD

All benefits and proceeds will be donated to "Meek's Foundation for Poor Asian Kids."

except I'm the only one in that category, so.... *gets rich*

[Jhanniss]

O.O your going to be waiting a LONG time lol...
Well if you decide to do it, I can do a 1 day thing. I'm busy... but I have some free time on the weekends. Just let me know xD

All benefits and proceeds will be donated to "Meek's Foundation for Poor Asian Kids."

except I'm the only one in that category, so.... *gets rich*

I'll be sure the Ichiban ramen gets sent to you. :P

[smitske]

shame on you Jhanniss your a forum mod, u should know better than going offtopic.

[Jhanniss]

Meek! You got me in trouble. :O

[skippy_san]

MPO about pwrlvl ... if someone wants to miss out on the game shape or face and miss out on a chance to earn money in game so be it but i must say at higher lvls things are expensive ...enough said and good luck

[smitske]

yay i trapped a forum mod :P

[Jhanniss]

As skippy said, this is very true. Getting powerleveled means you skip out quests for free equipment sometimes, and even weapons. Being power leveled means you may be undersuited (armor/weapons) for your level and end up spending a LOT more time trying to compensate for lack of current spells/equipment.

How do I know this? I've done it before to see how I could report the ups and downs of it. :3

I am behind in spells, my equipment is still first level quest items, and I have no serious work in the 2 special skills because I lack any money to get them worked on in teh first place because I am trying to save up for armor/weapons/spells. And to get those I need to hunt. And because I need to hunt it takes a LOT longer because I'm so underpowered.

Vicious cycle my friend.. vicious cycle. n.n

[XpierulesX]

O.O your going to be waiting a LONG time lol...
Well if you decide to do it, I can do a 1 day thing. I'm busy... but I have some free time on the weekends. Just let me know xD

All benefits and proceeds will be donated to "Meek's Foundation for Poor Asian Kids."

except I'm the only one in that category, so.... *gets rich*

This isn't the real Meek >_>

[Jhanniss]

This isn't the real Meek >_>

It is, only he knew about my little "idea". :3

[IroguroMeek]

Meek! You got me in trouble. :O

lmao! *makes up dumb excuse*

Umm Ummm, this isn't off topic! The auction thing is related to this topic, I swear!

*runs away*

[Shounen]

I would like to know if this is a banable offense. Could someone help me? I want to advertise that I will power lvl for in game money. I just dont want to get ban for this.

i wouldn't do this even if it isn't bannable because there are alot of scammers out there. Once you lvl them, they run away or once you get the money, you could run away. It's mostly about trust.

Well, I'm not sure if ingame money for power leveling is bannable but i do know that power levelers for rl money is.

[Laifun]

what about plvling for free? :D

[ChaosSeraph]

I have 2 semi high level chars which I use to Plvl friends who already have high levels... IMO the lower levels are extremly boring.

[Patchouli]

that part of why the game is falling apart.. clerics think they are DD or TANKs... so people just solo... witch isn't fun at all.


Outside of the large scale AoE party, I find it is much faster and cheaper to solo my cleric rather than to party. (Unless it's a small scale party with another cleric or a fighter) It wastes a lot of time trying to assemble a large scale party most of the time, so yes, I just solo.

[Knifey]

Where it becomes illegal is when someone attempts to sell their character information, items/gear, etc. for actually real-world money

you mean like people sell WoW characters on eBay?

MPO about pwrlvl ... if someone wants to miss out on the game shape or face and miss out on a chance to earn money in game so be it but i must say at higher lvls things are expensive ...enough said and good luck

oh i'm definately one of those. I do the quests but I do not read the dialogue. I just press next next next because I'd rather not subject myself to the barely readable deformed english. AND WHAT MONEY? right now i'm doing quests that cost me 7s in Stones for 500c reward. I dont think anybody could say Quests are a great way to get money LOL, they barely cover costs at the best of times.

the problem i see with this is if people are PLEVLED they don't know how to use there class right.

There are plenty of people who have done all the quests that have no idea how to play their character. And to just add, being pleveled for a few (5?) levels by OoTiffanyoO (spelling?) on Teva taught me a lot about how to be a mage. Partying with somebody 10 levels higher (and still contributing to the party) who is the best at what they do, it helps you learn your character and not detract from the experiance and more people should do it.

[prettymama]

It seems like a consensus that power leveling for in game silver is not against TOS. In that case, what would be a fair price to charge? I am thinking.


1-20 = 100s
21-25 =150s
26-30 = 200s
31-35 = 300s.

Any level past this would have to see since I would be power leveling with an aoe party. We are only in the 55's range right now. What do you guys think?

[bigredd22]

aslong as its in game money i dont see why not
but everyone has to be careful about how to pay you
because we dont know if you scam or not
yuo gotta figure out are you lvling first or getting payed first

[Knifey]

i think level them one level and get paid after each level, then there isnt too much time/cash wasted if the person ripps you off.

[Twenty-Nine_Rooks]

Jahnnis said it: Power Leveling for in-game money or items is not a violation of the Terms of Service. However, it is frowned-on, and I know some other threads advertising Plvling for Silver have been swiftly deleted, and the creators of said thread have been asked -or told- not to do so again.

The reasons why Power Leveling is bad have all been metioned before, and I think it is quite obvious that it does not benefit anyone. But what constitutes a Plvl? If no Sivler or items changes hands, then partying with higher levels doesnt mean that you are Plvling.

EX: A Cleric can join a party 15 levels higher than it, while still being a somewhat active and usefull addition to the party. Is this power leveling? Or is it legitimate training?

In anycase, what many have said before in this thread is true: If you Plvl you will have a lack of money, equipment, skills, and most importantly Playing Ability. Once you get above about Lv 45, your lack of skill at playing your character will be obvious, and few people if anyone will party with you.

[smitske]

you'll lose peoples respect though if you do

[Haiid]

1. I don't think it worth the money you are asking for, unless you are able to power-level someone in less than 1-2 hours.

2. A couple of days ago I was amazed looking at some shoutings in chat window: "Free power-leveling (you must be cleric)". That guy had no friggin clue what power leveling means. IF I pay to be pleveled means I'm sitting on my fat *** in a safe spot, and you (or your party) bring the mobs in my xp range. Also all the drops are mine, because I pay. (well, this is arguable, but as long I pay you to work for me, the result of your work - xp and drops - is mine)

3. A newcomer have no such money. Period. And if he's not a newbie, usually a high level who can afford to pay that amount to power-level an alt, is in a guild, have friends... Why pay you as long his friends can help for free?

4. Powerleveling IS bad. Only brings people that have no clue in areas they don't belong to. A powerlevled cleric will spam heals ignoring 80% from his toolset. A fighter will not mock, will not debuff the mob, also ignoring much of his toolset. In AO I used a NT (some kind of AoE mage) to powerlevel players for ingame money. I stopped that little business after I teamed with people powerleveled by me or others.


If you are THAT poor... give it a try. I wish you good luck, even I don't aprove you.




PS Would be real nice to have a level cap in forming teams/parties. Let's say... 5 leves. That would stop this kind of attempts.

[Knifey]

you'll lose peoples respect though if you do

nobody that matters imo.

[smitske]

not 5 lvls, thats to low

thazts another thing if yopu do plvl for free the noobs demand drops i mean *** -_-

[lightningmystix]

I get powerleveled sometimes ... but not the way you guys see it.
Most of the time, it's for about half a level or a level.
I don't normally go with random people or pay to get a powerlevel, if my really nice guildies or friends want to give me a plvl I accept (of course xD), but I don't go begging for a plvl.
What gets really annoying is people begging for powerlevels - I've gotten powerlevel begs before and I'm only 3x! =/
So no, I don't think it's against any rule.

[smitske]

ive just took screeny of a good example of noobs beging and <deleted> up -_-

i hate beggers.
wouldve posted it b!t dunno how :s

[Serric]

ive just took screeny of a good example of noobs beging and <deleted> up -_-

i hate beggers.
wouldve posted it b!t dunno how :s

Please refrain from profanity - thank you.

[smitske]

sorry changes to messing up

[-Leona-]

The results of how many people have been already showing up :), all it takes is to check all shops around for Mini Dragon items and u will realize that the people that can go in MD now are far weaker or not as good as the people that are now in their 60s or 70s.

When i used to be 50-60 the shops were filled of MD items, because Mini Dragon KQ used to fail a lot less than now, now u barely see MD items and they've become a rarity :). (md rings a month or so ago were so common that their cost was around 20s, now u will see people ACTUALLY SELLING them not just trying to sell them for 40s+.

This argument sure it can be argued and considered fake, BUT let's take another example, before the cap was removed the SHOPS were full of CG weapons, now they've become something SO RARE that it took a friend of mine 3 weeks to find a decent axe to buy =) (the reason he bought one is cuz he can't go TK hunting no more). WHAT does this whole thing means, IT means less and less people are able to kill TK due to the fact that they've been power leveled and don't have the knowledge or skills to actually defeat TK :).

[smitske]

that to, buit i hate the trains and the lag caused by them more

[Esoterra]

Okay...a little off topic, we are. >.> (btw, yes, there is a huge drop in MD items.)

No, I don't think that plvling someone for in-game profit is against the rules, but I would suspect it would be hard to turn a profit from people who are asking for this service. Chances are they are low leveled and don't have much money.

[Stenbumling]

Personally I don't see a problem with it, everyone should be in charge of their own time and money, to a certain degree. If they started banning powerlevelers how could they tell from someone just helping a friend out? The last thing I want is Outspark banning legit players just to get rid of the "annoyance" of some others.

Edit after reading a few replies.

There's only a small part of the low levels that can afford power-leveling, they can be catagorized in two groups;

1) They have alternate character that they can make money from.
2) They are clever enough to make lots of money at low levels, or bought cash from gold spammers.

I can only assume that the 1 is more common, but we can't ignore the 2. I very much doubt that enough players buy gold from sites and pays for plvl to change the marget of 50+ items. Even so, it is a factor, and I hope Outspark is working towards fixing this gold spammer problem once and for all.

I'm not stupid, I know there will always be sites selling Fiesta gold, but letting the spammers roam the big cities isn't helping either. How about a account limit to each ip-adress? No normal player would need more than five accounts to play Fiesta, unless they're up to something "dodgy". No, it wouldn't completely solve it, but it'd help.

[Haiid]

You know guys, what really bothers me, is how easy you admit the fact that you was power-leveled: "yes, I crawled like a maggot behind a team and I leeched xp". Is not something to be proud of, wake up.

But is like in life... you can be the lion hunting the prey, or you can be the hiena feasting from rotten corpses.

[Serric]

Pulling this train back on topic: the question here is not whether or not people should powerlevel, but whether or not it is a violation and/or bannable to offer powerleveling services to players for in-game money.

Let’s concentrate on that, okay?

Or, if the question has been answered (and I think it has) it may be time to close this thread… I’ll leave it open in case anyone has anything more to add to the original topic.

[Asheer]

I dont think that anybody can add something more to this case so this thread should be closed.

Reasume all posts here.

Powerleveled is not illegal but is illogical because later on player who achieve his "high lvl" thanks to grinding in high XP areas realise that he/she miss something very important what they dont have because they dont do quests.

If you want lvled fast(but not whit warp speed) participate in KQs and grab all possible quests(even repeatables) from NPC.
This is hard way but trust me give you more fun as you can imagine (thanks to Procks quest for Raina in Rumen i learn best way to fight whit this walking flowers).

During NORMAL play(not hiding behind some high lvl player and gather XP) you learn diferent strategies how give more and recive less damage from mob.
(attack from higher ground as mob is great asset).
So i will encourage all lowlevels to taste true Fiesta and earn thier levels by thier own work.

Powerleveling is logical when you are close to "border levels" for example 29/30 (where is really hard to gather XP) and your quest log is almoust empty.

But as many pointed here and on many other threads.

Walking through Elderine or Uruga and begging for powerleveling or what is worst for money bring you negative effect and can only place you in group of most hated game persons together whit goldspammers and bots.

Is this really what you want?

Trust me, even the most kind persons can be turned agains you when you bombard them begging for something what you can do alone in proper for your current lvls areas.

I was against level restictions on gates but right now i start change my point of view on this matters.
Best start for clearing this situation will be for example reconnect spawn point of SoG whit Roumen not Eelderine( puting more mid level mob in Eld gate sector of SoG will prevent possibilites that for example lvl 5 if he will survive first 5 min, on SoG will reach Eld Gate.(by the way whos idea was to place gate to Sand Hill in MT in the middle of a graveyard?).

OK... time to close my rant ;) and this thread :D