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miarala
01-31-2008, 02:21 PM
ok... this is not a full guide... yet.

first of all, archer is NOT a mage, never was close, never will be close to mage damage.

but, to start off, archer can deal out the harshness as far as damage goes.
But to really find archers damage, put freee stat points into str (strength) to increase your attack power. i know some archers will say to put points into spr (spirit), to increase your critical chances. but, i say that str will over rule this both in short and long run. trust me, archer is dps (damage per second), character, we have bow with one of quickest normal attacks in game, so any points put into str will be applied to enemy 7 times before he reaches you to deal damage. Plus, archers base stregth is kinda weak anyways, i beleive it's about 56 at level twenty, and all 20 free points+5 bonus points from job change quest will add 30 more damage, almost 48% to attack!

Now as far as weapons go... Crossbow.
i read Battleaxe's post about attack speed and bonus damage being better for faster, and less powerful, weapons. but, just to show, here is the problem COMPLETELY written out using level 20 weapons, something Battleaxe did not do. remember this is for a 15.4 second time frame, the time at which both bow and x bow have completed an attack at same moment (lowest common factor, for math geeks).

Bow's estimated attack for 15.4 seconds.
base attack 39-49
multiplied by 14 attacks, 546-686
bonuses+30 str build
+14 str rings, level 22
+10 str from clothes
=59 multiplied by 14 attacks and added to minimum and maximum attack,
bow's damage 1302-1442

Crossbow's estimated attack for 15.4 seconds
base attack 67-88
multiplied by 11 attacks, 737-968
bonuses+30 str build
+14 str rings, level 22
+10 str from clothes
=59multiplied by 11 attacks and added to minimum and maximum attack,
crossbows damage 1331-1562

Battleaxe is right, bonuses do work better for faster less powerful weapons, but you need a lot of bonus's to get a bow to overpower crossbow. Plus crossbow will deliver more damage to creatures with multi shot, than bow. makes it better for soloing later in game. on a final note, putting a solitary point on cast and cool time on aimed shot can allow you to skill spam the move to death. skill spamming in fact does work better with crossbow. in fact, skills will take time off from xbow attack speed when spamming aimed shot. just no way to fix crossbows "gaudy" and "ugly" graphix. sorry!

Skill empowering- max out damage on power moves such as aimed shot and power shot. maybe even lower sp 2-3 points. Now to use archers move to best of ability, pair moves together. such as aimed shot, and poison shot. Why? because poison shot deals a little damage over a long perion of time, and aimed shot has most distance and gives poison more time to work, whereas other d.o.t's (damage over time moves, aka poisons) have higher damage but lasts shorter. these high powered poisons that don't last should be paired with the archers move's such as power shot that require archer to get closer, to deal a more damaging move. see how this works? best for low levels to quickly rise. Use moves in THIS order, power move followed by d.o.t. why? well truth is, archer have a cast time (should be noted that mages don't, kinda stupid huh?) and casting a power move while an enemy is charging you down is very, very, very bad. you'll get less normal attacks while monster is charging you down in. thus, you'll deal less damage in a same amount of time.

extra!- archers don't have many skills, so... chances are that you'll have atleast 5 skill points on every move by level 50. when dealing with d.o.t's, upgrade their effect time. because the further you get in game, power moves maxed or not, you'll notice your opponents are a little less... dead... before they get to you. so you'll want a poison that lasts when your running and waiting for your power moves to recharge.

Kq's (kingdom quests)- get a team with cleric!!! their buff that adds physical attack and defense is archers and fighters BEST friend. it really doesn't add much to attack, remember that archers attack is in itself pretty low anyways. Also, don't be stupid, archer can take quite a few more hits than mage but chances are any cleric in your party won't notice your hp fall quick enough to heal you. just stay behind "tanks" (fighters that go all end, or endurance to get games highest defense) like mages do. Offer cover fire, and quickly use all your d.o.t moves on the boss. at later levels remember to use natures defense to lose aggro.

Money- yes... noobs just never seem to make enough of it.well, heres just a couple of tips. use onley ONE production skill. try to get them all, you'll just end up broke as you need money from selling mats to other player to buy the next tier of recipe for your production skill. and as i said, sell all mats to other players, not npc's. and don't be lazy... search to see how much items you have are worth if you don't know. even ask people on chat (chat is orange channel, all people on map can hear it. acces by /s+ [space] to talk in chat). When selling, it is quickest to find people who set up buy shops, search them out and scout prices don't just sell to first house you come to. if you can't find a price you like, set up your own sale shop. sale shop may take longer, but you can make slightly more money.

Atmor
01-31-2008, 04:35 PM
Decent guide I suppose, but I fear I must disagree with your empowerment choices. My opinion is to go full cd on all the DoTs because that is an archer's strength.

mrsknight
01-31-2008, 04:47 PM
great advice

ShadowPreist
02-01-2008, 08:58 AM
this is actually really, really helpful.

Lycoli
02-01-2008, 02:15 PM
uh not that i'm gonna complain about anything because you took the time to help new players. However:

You shouldn't call it a "Succesful" archer if you are being so specific about weapons.

It should be how to make an archer period. Crossbow and Bow are two different weapons and under 2 different circumstances are better than the other.

Another point i like to make is, i don't advise adding points into Bone Shatter. The damage is not worth the 5 points. These can be put to better use in simply sp consumption reduce or lower cool down on Aim shot.

HateUchiha
02-01-2008, 02:32 PM
i dis agree with ur cool down statements....and um....wats sure shot? O.o

anyway, the only 2 skills that should be added power to is Aimed shot and Power shot. the rest should only be empowerd cooldown. but thats just my thoughts.

also, we only get 3 DoTs, posion and mist is the same thing, execpt mist is more of an aoe skill. but pretty much no DoTs ahould be empowerd on dmg.

also the crossbow/bow thing doesnt seem right to me. first off, it doesnt take 15 shots to kill a mob, so compareing the bows to crossbows like that wouldnt make sense(unless fighting a boss mob). most archers prefer the quickness of the bow and the style of skill spamming. crossbows are slower and look...sloppy xD.

wannabeguyo
02-01-2008, 10:44 PM
i dis agree with ur cool down statements....and um....wats sure shot? O.o

anyway, the only 2 skills that should be added power to is Aimed shot and Power shot. the rest should only be empowerd cooldown. but thats just my thoughts.

also, we only get 3 DoTs, posion and mist is the same thing, execpt mist is more of an aoe skill. but pretty much no DoTs ahould be empowerd on dmg.

also the crossbow/bow thing doesnt seem right to me. first off, it doesnt take 15 shots to kill a mob, so compareing the bows to crossbows like that wouldnt make sense(unless fighting a boss mob). most archers prefer the quickness of the bow and the style of skill spamming. crossbows are slower and look...sloppy xD. i agree with evrything he/she said...

krnboi3225
02-01-2008, 11:35 PM
lol.... bows do look much better and yes, theoretically they do more dmg than xbows if you attack normally and its been proven... BUT, in reality xbows definately do more dmg in most situations... not only does it have higher base dmg.. but how many people actually just plainly attack something... if you have half a brain, you would know that skill spamming is a big part of archers. cast time for skills, i believe, does not vary between bow and xbow... and even though bow attacks faster, the skill dmg from xbows and crit rate definately makes up for the slow attack speed. I would say that the only time a bow is useful is when fighting a boss, such as bosses in KQ

wannabeguyo
02-01-2008, 11:36 PM
lol.... bows do look much better and yes, theoretically they do more dmg than xbows if you attack normally and its been proven... BUT, in reality xbows definately do more dmg in most situations... not only does it have higher base dmg.. but how many people actually just plainly attack something... if you have half a brain, you would know that skill spamming is a big part of archers. cast time for skills, i believe, does not vary between bow and xbow... and even though bow attacks faster, the skill dmg from xbows and crit rate definately makes up for the slow attack speed. I would say that the only time a bow is useful is when fighting a boss, such as bosses in KQ true BUT!......crossbows are oooogly XD

Werrts
02-02-2008, 01:19 AM
"i beleive it's about 56 at level twenty"

u forgot to put in the 56 standard str into your equation.

So what i get out of it is, as you lvl higher, bow is superior due to str increases.

Werrts
02-02-2008, 02:17 AM
Okay.. So i got bored and thought how can test which kills faster, bows or Xbows. I went to the smith and bought 1 of each for lvl 20 and decide to go kill some bats. Here are the results.

I started off with Aim shot[3] then Fury Impact[3] then finish off with regular shots. 10 time trials with each bow.

BOW: Time of kill.

15.21
12.51
11.79
11.52
11.83
11.25
12.60
9.67
13.54
11.74

Avg. 12.17sec

XBOW: Time of kill.

17.32
13.36
17.10
10.39
12.69
13.68
13.00
12.15
17.14
8.95

Avg. 13.58sec

My Stats:

Str 109(15)
Bow Dmg: 155-170
XBow Dmg: 180-201

To me, Bow's Win.

Atmor
02-02-2008, 08:30 AM
Alright another 2 cents from me. The gap between the bow and xbow power widens as it is enhanced, but if they are the same level I believe they are about the same, but as I only have a 2X archer I don't know about the higher lvls

Sven-
02-02-2008, 11:26 AM
xbow enhances better because of the base dmg, but the increased aspd from bow when comparing to xbow applies to both empower +dmg AND str +dmg. So I guess it at least evens things out?

Rawreth
02-02-2008, 01:37 PM
My crossbow shoots faster than/as fast as a bow. I can fraps it if you want.

Though it proves nothing. It just shows it's faster than people with bows that attack normally. Using the same method, Bows are way faster.

HateUchiha
02-03-2008, 10:41 AM
alot of u guys saying the xbows r better, ur missing the point of aim. sure archers have the best aim, but useing a xbow....do u REALLY wanna miss a shot =/.

Bow: more aim, faster speed,
xBow: less aim, slower speed, more power

DEX is a big part in archers, missing shots with a bow arent bad. but with a xbow....thats not good.

with lower aim, missing a shot with the xbow has to make up time to catch up to the the regular bow anyway, leading in.....FAIL. u know have about 3 hits longer to kill that mob, and archers can take that many hits as it is.
unless of corse....pure dex

Sven-
02-03-2008, 01:21 PM
aim scrolls are there for that aim gap ;\


My crossbow shoots faster than/as fast as a bow. I can fraps it if you want.

Though it proves nothing. It just shows it's faster than people with bows that attack normally. Using the same method, Bows are way faster.

if it's the same method I'm using, I just tested it with an xbow and it actually sets them up at the same attack speed :\
too bad bow doesn't get any faster, but also too good to know xbows can get as fast as that.
I might have missed something since I tested it on a KQ, gotta do some test while soloing to be 100% sure.

Daywen
02-03-2008, 05:47 PM
compared to other weapons the aim gap between bow and xbow is not much. even a level 50 normal xbow with a tier 1 aim scroll has more aim than the normal level 50 bow (with no scroll used).

whitelion318
02-05-2008, 06:25 AM
would it make a diffrent if they bow was +9 compared 2 a +4,5 or 6 crossbow because u dont see many people with a +9 weapons so with mi lvl 30 +9 do u recon half spr hald dex would do or 2/3 dex 1/3 spr better :S

Riezen
02-06-2008, 03:34 PM
Wohhh ok first all of u are talkin about bow v xbows right well if well ive tested them both out first off CG Bow and Xbow both +9 bow wit 21+ str stat ma xbow doesnt have 1 average time on orc hunter was 11-12 seconds skill spamming skill spamming with ma xbow bow 8-10 seconds dont believe me come to teva and ill show u btw link lolz bro ma xbow pwns ur bow hahaha ill see ya in a bit bro


Inner_Circle

6x Arch

Rawreth
02-06-2008, 08:33 PM
alot of u guys saying the xbows r better, ur missing the point of aim. sure archers have the best aim, but useing a xbow....do u REALLY wanna miss a shot =/.

Bow: more aim, faster speed,
xBow: less aim, slower speed, more power

DEX is a big part in archers, missing shots with a bow arent bad. but with a xbow....thats not good.

with lower aim, missing a shot with the xbow has to make up time to catch up to the the regular bow anyway, leading in.....FAIL. u know have about 3 hits longer to kill that mob, and archers can take that many hits as it is.
unless of corse....pure dex

I don't miss Orcs at level 35. With an xbow.

I have minimal stats in DEX(5).


Wohhh ok first all of u are talkin about bow v xbows
right well if well ive tested them both out first off CG Bow
and Xbow
both +9 bow wit 21+ str stat ma xbow
doesnt have 1 average time on orc hunter was 11-12 seconds skill spamming
skill spamming with ma xbow
bow 8-10 seconds dont believe me come to teva and ill show
u btw link lolz bro
ma xbow
pwns ur bow
hahaha ill see ya in a bit bro


Inner_Circle

6x Arch

ur good at poetry

secondeath
02-06-2008, 08:43 PM
There is no such thing as How to make a "perfect" archer..because You make it perfect on what ever You think is right for the archer....(im not trying to mess with you'r thread its just what i think)...Even tho i disagree with the fact that you can make a perfect archer you gave info on how to make a good one :-D

Riezen
02-06-2008, 09:21 PM
Lolz poetry and yea there is no perfect archers based on how u are gana play this game