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chef_koo
02-17-2008, 09:18 PM
mathematically does 25spr/str buld deal more dmg then a full str?

DeathBringer01
02-17-2008, 09:21 PM
the 25spr will give u a 5% crit bonus resulting in higher chance of damage which could= pure str build but if u hit alot of crit and are lucky then yes its better than pure str

chef_koo
02-17-2008, 09:26 PM
so is 25 spr unreliable compared to full str?

Kuydo
02-17-2008, 09:34 PM
I would believe the 25 Spr will help more in the long run because the extra critical can stack with lics, cash shop sets, and other critical increases. Thus making your average damage over time higher in the long run the just a pure Str.

kamalkj1
02-17-2008, 09:41 PM
I guess that it all depends on your class and play style. Personally, I would put points in STR since I would deal more damage per hit compared to an occasional crit that does a little more damage than the regular for a STR build. Go for what you think is best. If you really can't decide, go for a balanced build.

ChaosSeraph2
02-18-2008, 01:00 AM
The only problem that it isnt "a little more damage".. its ALOT more damage. Normal hit 400s or so.. critical 1200? Hrmm I dunno that doesn't seem little to me.

HotRed
02-18-2008, 01:19 AM
I guess that 25 SPR is okay and could deal more damage but that is if you deal a Critical Hit!

-Leona-
02-19-2008, 05:39 AM
25sr/rest str and pure str is pretty even actually is all a matter of who gets more crits that will outdamage the other

Wit all the equips and bonuses u can currently stack your criticals for up to this

15% from Val Suit
2% from earings
5%-7% from axe
5% spr
5% from conqueror license
u may use a str increase pot for another 4% extra crit.

MAKE THE MATH u get somewhere between 32%-38% critical chance. THAT MEANS 1 of each 3 hits will most likely go crit (if not more but we will stick with 1 f 3 even though very often i even hit 3 crits in a row and i once got 7 in a row)

25spr/str and pure str both weilding same axe dealing a base of 300 damage without any stat points at levell 70, both will have 12 attacks spr/str gets 1 crit every 3 hits str will get 1 crit every 4 hits due to same equip but no spr which will reduce his crit % to 27%-33% (i'm not use the minimal value % crit in this)

Pure str will deal 385 while spr/str will deal 360 with 1 regular attack.

spr/str (1 out of 3 for 12 hits) 5760 damage in 12 hits
pure str (1 out 4 for 12 hits) 5775 damage in 12 hits

ken10
02-19-2008, 06:24 AM
25sr/rest str and pure str is pretty even actually is all a matter of who gets more crits that will outdamage the other

Wit all the equips and bonuses u can currently stack your criticals for up to this

15% from Val Suit
2% from earings
5%-7% from axe
5% spr
5% from conqueror license
u may use a str increase pot for another 4% extra crit.

MAKE THE MATH u get somewhere between 32%-38% critical chance. THAT MEANS 1 of each 3 hits will most likely go crit (if not more but we will stick with 1 f 3 even though very often i even hit 3 crits in a row and i once got 7 in a row)

25spr/str and pure str both weilding same axe dealing a base of 300 damage without any stat points at levell 70, both will have 12 attacks spr/str gets 1 crit every 3 hits str will get 1 crit every 4 hits due to same equip but no spr which will reduce his crit % to 27%-33% (i'm not use the minimal value % crit in this)

Pure str will deal 385 while spr/str will deal 360 with 1 regular attack.

spr/str (1 out of 3 for 12 hits) 5760 damage in 12 hits
pure str (1 out 4 for 12 hits) 5775 damage in 12 hits

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-Leona-
02-19-2008, 06:41 AM
lol :D me to i can't stand math :D but sometimes is usefull :p

HotRed
02-20-2008, 05:06 AM
Lol! I lOVE MATH! ^_^

I think I will remember StarLeona just like what your Siggy saying lol! ^_^

TheSilentOne
02-22-2008, 05:45 AM
id ur a dd fighter and dont have 25 spr, id smack u. Not only is it good for crits, the little extra sp HELPS ALOT when u get ur higher lv atks, ur sp bar will be gone in one line of spam. There is no math to the crits, cause sometimes i crit once a monster, sometimes i just spam crit a montster ot death. Go spr, its worh it, get godly equips if ur truly worried about str

-Leona-
02-22-2008, 10:56 AM
Really Silent as far as your point is concerned u can increase your sp pool through spr equips, so u make no point. Technicaly both builds, full str and 25spr/rest str brake pretty much even :/. And that was what his question was.

Shounen
02-22-2008, 12:15 PM
so is 25 spr unreliable compared to full str?

It's VERY UNRELIABLE compared to full str. It gives you a 5% CHANCE that you'll crit. The damage is very unstable and that it's quite possible that you'll do no crit over 100 hits, but str will always add 1.2 each point (to a total of 30 damage) to your damage. And also, it's possible that you may kill a monster in 10hits and do no critical (which is more probable then 100hits i mentioned), while comparing to a full str person who will do more damage because he'll do 30 more damage than the 25 spr. In the long run, full spr is better but the damage is quite unstable so people shouldn't always expect 5 more extra critical for every 100 hits they do. That's why a full str may do more damage, and a 25 spr also may do more damage, too.
Also, a 25 spr may do 4 to 5 to even possibly 7 crits in a row (extremely unlikely but possible) and do MUCH MORE DAMAGE then a full str. But in general, i like 25 spr better, but it all relies on the critical, so it's quite unstable. If you calculate it, then yes, 25 spr is MUCH better, but be warned that it's all about chance. I personally have 25 spr on my mage and fighter, because i like the big damage that pops up and it is techinically a much better choice.

chef_koo
02-23-2008, 03:47 AM
one other thing i thought of was that even if you hit the crit, if it was close to the end of the enemies hp where a normal hit would've suficed anyways, you wasted a crit. i'm starting to get the feeling that 25spr/str build really just doesn't make any sense

Shounen
02-23-2008, 10:48 AM
one other thing i thought of was that even if you hit the crit, if it was close to the end of the enemies hp where a normal hit would've suficed anyways, you wasted a crit. i'm starting to get the feeling that 25spr/str build really just doesn't make any sense

a crit is double damage, therefore, it's like doing your move without crit twice, making it that in the end you'll still kill the monster faster.