Xtrap?

[Katzy]

I thought Xtrap had been removed. I had a shutdown earlier tonight with an Xtrap error come up and it said I could send the report, along with the Xtrap error log. I filled out the form and sent it, but don't know if you actually receive those still. If you need me to send you the log I can as I've found it on my harddrive. Just email me to my account. Thanks.

Katzy
(KatzyBabykins)

[Mindspank]

Apparently our (not so) bright developers have saw fit to re endow us with our beloved Xtrap, which explains why I cannot play any longer.

Xtrap fixes NOTHING, but causes EVERYTHING to go wrong.

Get rid of Xtrap PLEASE. Again...

[Keeter]

Well, something had to be done about the hackers. And whatever is causing your system to not let you play can be figured out and fixed. But hackers have to stop hacking.

In millitary thats called collateral damage. In economics it's opportunity cost. Either way, it had to be done, for the greater good.

[Jehobith]

When are we going to get a response on this X-trap? I started a thread about it in troubleshooting" and have got no answer on how to fix it yet. someone else has started a thread about it too and seems to me numerous amounts of people are suffering from this. I don't know what x-trap is but its more of a death trap to me right now. But i came up with my own theory of what its going to be used for. I think its going to be the new way of logging in for security measures to keep those out who have been banned from the game and to keep spammers out and used to detect bots. (lets hope) but right now I think they picked a really bad time to come up with this new patch...A patch is supposed to update or fix a problem not cause a problem. Ive put a lot of real money into this game and I have friends that laugh at me for buying stuff from the fiesta store. they ask me why do you need this such and such item? its a waiste of money. Well now that I cant play the game Im starting to think it is a waist of my time and money. It makes me wonder what kind of testing the developers are using before releasing a new patch whether its "black box testing or White box testing" I dont want to explain that just google it or something if you want to know its too complicating to explain.

[Dodo48]

Get rid of this crap... again.

[Jhanniss]

I say keep it. The game runs with or without it. If it'll put a crimp in botters/scripter... keep it up.

All I had to do was hit retry when I got the error and it went on through. No fuss, no mess..

[Shahared]

Its either Xtrap or getting dced all day because of hackers....I choose Xtrap :D But that's just my opinion.

[rafale]

@_@ I choose being able to log on and the risk of being DC'd to not being able to log on at all >__>;; especially when my cash shop items are counting down while I sit staring at the error window and able to do nothing -_-;

[Heavencloud™]

wad going on ?im plying fiesta sudenly pop up the x-trap ..and auto restart my pc wthh... my account will b hack or wad?? arhh make it whole day cnt ply ...plz fixed tis ***** problem

[Dodo48]

1. You don't get DC/D by hackers.
2. Botters are NOT hackers.
3. X-Trap is easily bypassed by botters.
4. X-trap causes problems to windows Vista users.
5. X-Trap causes memory leaks; not sure what that is, google it.
6. X-Trap causes problems to 64bit users.

[Crystal16]

I have no problem with X-trap. I rather have X-trap than being hacked and losing all my progress..

[Dodo48]

I have no problem with X-trap. I rather have X-trap than being hacked and losing all my progress..
Hacking can be done anyway, all they do is a brute force attack and keep guessing your passwords.

Those are also NOT hackers, those are crackers. Don't believe me? Look it up.

Those are also automated programs run by what we call "Script Kiddies".

How do you fix getting your account stolen? Get a better password. Im sad to say "fox" is not a good password.

[Krusnik02]

I'd rather keep my computer on 24/7 and not log out just to avoid getting Xtrap installed. Last time it was on here, I DCed for NO reason whatsoever. I never DC now, there's no NEED for this. Until we've got hackers like Runescape or something, I think we'll manage.

[Heavencloud™]

wad i gona do now ....T.T..

[Heavencloud™]

so got any1 tell mi hw to **** the x trap problem ...sit thre and wait??

[Dodo48]

Oh, i just want to say this before people start accusing those who complain about X-Trap of being botters/hackers/crackers.

Usually only legitimate people complain, while the actual legitimate people go off and find some sneaky way around their problem.

All this does is cause fair people problems.

[Shahared]

Xtrap does stop people from using 3rd party programs to abuse the game, thats why they are using it. You sound as if all xtrap is designed to do is bother real players, which it of course is not. First off, be proactive, explain to fiesta the problems you are having, post in the proper forums and in the proper threads, and supply them with as much info as possible so these problems can be fixed. I have played other games with xtrap, and it worked just fine. I think these are only isolated incidences, and I for one do not mind it if it will stop abuses that are causing problems. As far as your claims that the DCs are not caused by malicious players, I and many other players have reason to believe differently.

[KawaiiKisaChan]

Xtrap does stop people from using 3rd party programs to abuse the game, thats why they are using it. You sound as if all xtrap is designed to do is bother real players, which it of course is not.

Well, it seems to me, by reading some of the previous posts, that Xtrap is designed to 'bother real players'. I sure as hell know it bothers me! I've never cracked anyones account, have never hacked the game, but I do use a third party program to enhance my gaming experience. The program I'm using is a little one called Xpadder. Basically all it does is take input from a game controller, like my XBox 360 wired controller and converts it into mouse and/or keyboard input. I've gotten used to playing all my games with my XBox 360 controller and I tried to play Fiesta without it, but it was hard.

Now down to the reason why I looked in this forum and the reason why this thread was created in the first place. How do we fix this? How can I play the game again with my XBox 360 Controller? How can the Vista and 64Bit users play the game now? Troubleshooting is all about GM and players helping others work out their problems, not argureing over something like whether or not we should keep program.

[Shahared]

Well, it seems to me, by reading some of the previous posts, that Xtrap is designed to 'bother real players'. I sure as hell know it bothers me! I've never cracked anyones account, have never hacked the game, but I do use a third party program to enhance my gaming experience. The program I'm using is a little one called Xpadder. Basically all it does is take input from a game controller, like my XBox 360 wired controller and converts it into mouse and/or keyboard input. I've gotten used to playing all my games with my XBox 360 controller and I tried to play Fiesta without it, but it was hard.

Now down to the reason why I looked in this forum and the reason why this thread was created in the first place. How do we fix this? How can I play the game again with my XBox 360 Controller? How can the Vista and 64Bit users play the game now? Troubleshooting is all about GM and players helping others work out their problems, not argureing over something like whether or not we should keep program.Using that program is likely a violation of the TOS to begin with, and it is certainly not part of the game requirements. The reason the game is not working has nothing to do with Outspark, it has to do with incompatibility on your side. Troubleshooting by definition is eliminating the most likely reasons for a problem to determine what the exact cause is. Since you know what the exact cause is, there is no need to troubleshoot it. And I am not arguing, just stating an opinion about the problem, and mentioning the most feasible way to solve it. My last post I put forth that research, data collection and proper reporting were the proper methods.

[Chegism]

There is a guy on Bijou server forcefully booting entire maps of people from the server. Always the same, level 1 guy running about, then all of a sudden the whole map get's disconnected. You can be fine, no dc's for a long time, then youll see this guy run up to you, and boom, disconnect. It happens wherever the guy decides to execute it - Just now he booted everyone from FoS twice, and yesterday kicked everyone out of Uruga over a 45 minute period. This has been happening for a week or two now, in many many maps.

Xtrap's return is more than likely Outsparks half assed way to try and prevent this, but truth is it has failed. The guy is still doing it, as of this minute.

Also: We are a party at stonies, and we have all 3 spots to ourself. Another party comes over, and our whole party gets disconnected with Xrap errors (We know because of vent, 3 of us are in, the other 2 arent). When we return, the other party that had come over near us is still there killing, without ever being disconnected, and our party has magically vanished - we have to reparty everytime this happens. It cant be game related, else the other party would be booted also. It cant be vent interfering, because not everyone in our party is using it, but still being dc'd. Only explanation i can think of is that someone from that other party is doing it to us.

[xDemonPrincessx]

even further away from linux support just what we need :|

[lewellyn]

Erm... Based on my knowledge of the game engine that Fiesta uses, I can tell you that an Xbox 360 version is far more likely to happen before a Linux version. :p

Honestly, there simply isn't demand for the game engine developers to support Linux. Most games work decently well with Wine. And, there's active development for Wine to support more DirectX. Until the game engine developers support Linux, there won't be games for Linux. And for the game engine developers to support Linux, a game developer needs to throw a lot of money at them. (I highly suspect that Outspark doesn't yet have the kind of income stream to justify throwing the kind of money required around, just to gain like 0.1% more users...)

Let's just say that a Linux version of Dark Age of Camelot is more likely to come first...

Oh, and yes, I realize that Fiesta is currently a PITA to install under Wine. And even if that ever changes, Outspark will probably not support the configuration. That doesn't make the possibility unfeasible. Wine's the most likely way that Fiesta's ever going to see "native" Mac and Linux support.

And in any case, bringing up things like "supporting platforms which the game engine is known to not support" is wholly unrelated to the XTrap complaints. Xtrap has many shortcomings which will hurt Fiesta's uptake. It's literally been hours since the patch brought Xtrap back, and existing users are complaining. Imagine new users who give up without being able to even begin...

[McFluffy]

i just want to ask why is X-Trap(crap XD) back?
my graphic tablet doesn't find that cool cause its not working..... again =.=
pls give me an answer to this ....
will X-trap be deleted again or not?

[writing_addict]

X-Trap doesn't let me log in any longer and I'm very very annoyed... -.-"

The error came up, and... well everytime I log in, the log in page flashes but pops back up again and doesn't log in.

Evil. Pure evil...

I thought Outspark said they'd delete it. Not bring it back!

What's going on !?

[yuki_mura]

my problem is like this .. please help me how to solve this, please T-T
it said 02-0300-00000000-31

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj51/yukimura_keikou_ki_mura_83/codeT-T.jpg

& i cant install the new patch either T-T.. need help T-T

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj51/yukimura_keikou_ki_mura_83/patch.jpg

my cp is :

windows XP
1 G ram
inet speed 10.0 Mbps
NVIDIA GeForce FX5200

[lewellyn]

So, what are the current issues with Xtrap? I count the following:


Keeps legitimate users out
Doesn't work on 64-bit Windows
Now requires Admin privileges to *play* Fiesta
Causes lag/sluggishness while playing
Causes game crashes
Doesn't actually resolve the problem it's meant to solve.
Is not listed as something that runs with Fiesta, ever, thus violating trust. (What else will be added that runs as Administrator without anyone knowing?)
Causes BSODs.
Xtrap's mechanism is easily thwarted by those who are the actual targets.
Even "normal" users can bypass Xtrap. (No, I'm not helping anyone do it! And doing it's against ToS, so expect to be banned if you're noticed. :cool:)
Restarts PC with little to no warning and is apparently un-cancelable when it decides to do this. Potential data loss may occur.


Did I miss anything? A single, consolidated list will help with troubleshooting. So, if you post more issues that I've missed, I'll update this post.

[Jhanniss]

my problem is like this .. please help me how to solve this, please T-T
it said 02-0300-00000000-31

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj51/yukimura_keikou_ki_mura_83/codeT-T.jpg

my cp is :

windows XP
1 G ram
inet speed 10.0 Mbps
NVIDIA GeForce FX5200


Exactly as it says, be logged into the master/admin user on Windows. It looks like you're logged in as a sub-user. n.n

[KawaiiKisaChan]

Using that program is likely a violation of the TOS to begin with, and it is certainly not part of the game requirements.

Whether or not the program is "part of the game requirements" is not the issue here! The issue is that I cannot use it to better my gameplay. It does not effect any other player, only me. It does not cause server lag or any lag for that matter (due in-part to its small size). It is certainly not a violation of the TOS. Unlike you I actually read those things. And you may have successfully killed my reason for asking for help in allowing me to use my XBox 360 Controller again (well your argument was actually quite weak, but I don't feel like taking the time to "poke all the holes" so I'm going to leave that be). What you failed to do, however, is help, or state reasons not to help, those players with 64bit processors and those using Vista.

All these screencaps and problems with adminastrator rights because this program has to run as a system service in order to ensure the user can't simply Ctrl+Alt+Del -> End Process it away really tells me that it is hard for users who really want to play the game to actually umm. . .play. If something can't at least be done to help these players to play the game than X-Trap should be removed again. I know I will not be playing the game as long as X-Trap remains.

Also many people have stated that they would rather have this program running than have hackers and crackers in the game. Others have stated that it doesn't actually lessen hackers or crackers and that X-Trap is easy to get around. I'm not sure what the truth really is about X-Trap. I have seen it cause huge memory spikes and lag on my friends' PCs, but what is it actually there for other than that?

[Lykoi]

I don't even get an error message when I try to login. My computer just stops. Entirely. The only way to get it running again is a manual turn-off. I wasn't playing when xtrap was on the first time, but all I know is that fiesta was running fine and then suddenly it wasn't running at all. The strange part is that I have two computers in my house, and on the one fiesta is still running fine, but one this one (laptop) it crashes the computer. I know some computer engineers...but so far they haven't managed to solve this issue either.

[TomatoEgg]

x trap is useless but troublesome.

spammer still spamming as usual
botters still bot at botting area

so what the point to implement x trap ?

the changes is :
more error face by players
more complaint to outspark

well i know outspark do this also is thinking for the advantages for players.
trying to get rid of those spammer and botters...

but can choose a better program? example. Game Guard

i played some MMORPG, like ra, seal they are using game guard and didnt have any problem, no botters, no spammer.
or u can use others program to try out, why use back x trap after so many complaint =.=

[Zepherm]

I tried plaing fiesta, and all that happens is this

1. I fill in my username and password
2. I click Login
3. It closes the login as if to open game
4. It brings back the login window
5. Repeats 2-4 until I'm absolutely fed up

It would open th game for a while atfirst, and then keep closing it with a message from x-trap
Now it doesn't even start the game to give me an x-trap message

[PXBFirebird]

GREAT!!!!! i have never had a issue with Xtrap and til now i thought it had been removed, i was playing just this morning and now no chance, i cant even get into the game now as Xtrap wont let me!! i have pm'd 2 GM's awaiting a reply from them, but i cant even let my mates know i cant play due to this stupid programme now! they need to remove it so that legit players who spend alot of time on here can play rather than the spammers and hackers are happy in game while i cant get in!!!!

[lewellyn]

Add me to the "hate Xtrap" crowd. I hit "F" to see my friends list. Xtrap popped up an error and my system stopped responding. I ended up power-cycling Windows. :(

(No, I didn't write down the error. Couldn't find a pen/cil.)

[PXBFirebird]

How awesome eh??? soon al the genuine players wont be able to get in and all the hackers can have the game!!!! whoever thought of putting this software into the game needs an award i think!

[rafale]

X-trap is really hurting our hardware >__>: I don't know that much about technical stuff but frequent hard reboots can't be good for the PC.


Exactly as it says, be logged into the master/admin user on Windows. It looks like you're logged in as a sub-user. n.n

Not everyone can play on an administrator's account. i.e. internet cafes, school computers, campus network, etc etc. When you look at it that way, that blocks off a large chunk of the target customers for a mmo such as this. My cousin can't play now since he's using a borrowed laptop from his University. And he'd just activated cash shop items too >__>;

[PXBFirebird]

I have just sent a 3rd pm to the GM's, 3 were on i pm'd 1 then they logged off, then a second and they logged off, now the last one on, to see if anyone is listening for even caring if there players can get in the game or not!!!

We shall see but dont hold your breath i fear!

[PXBFirebird]

Yay got a reply from a GM who is trying to help with the x-trap issues now, if sorted i will post so others can try and get in and resolve this problem.

Fingers X'd

[lewellyn]

Sounds like your friend needs to contact Paypal customer service to arrange a chargeback/refund... That sounds like non-delivery of services to me... As for me, this whole incident has made me glad that I've not spent money on Sparkcash. And now, I'm not likely to in the near future. Especially since having to pretty much sit around for days has made me start looking for Fiesta replacements.

[PXBFirebird]

Ok fingers x'd i think im in, i ave just done a manual patch installation and no x trap error and letting me get to the char selections screen which it was not doing before, so i am going to go try and play now, but maybe you all should give it a try and see if it helps you at all!

Im hoping it works for you all x

[lear21]

Yeah so I'm having trouble getting dc'd by X-TRAP can still log back in atm tho. This is quite upsetting considering from the sounds of things soon i wont be able to log in >.< I also have spent a nice little chunk of real cash on this game and think that this just stinks!

If anyone finds anything out plzz let us know




SHIVA21 49 cleric TEVA
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I have no siggy always to busy playin game to mess wit it ^^

[Ka.chan]

Ew, X-Crap.

[blazecheetah]

I don't even know why they're bothering with x-crap again >< It's not doing anything at all but causing headaches. The spammers are still all over the place and even WHISPERING people now, and I still constantly get KS'd by bots when i'm out grinding. I just love it when 'gfdlsd' kills my monsters :| There has to be something better they could use than this.

[Himntor]

it seems everyones mad at the xtrap - maybe if we knew what it did we wouldn't so mad

[blacksnake90]

get rid of this X-trap thing......i cant play....dam it......:mad::mad::mad:

[lewellyn]

it seems everyones mad at the xtrap - maybe if we knew what it did we wouldn't so mad

Well, enough games have used it (or attempted to), that it's fairly well-known how it works, what it does, and how to circumvent it. The general consensus is that it's ineffective and intrusive.

In fact, I can't say I've been able to find anything resembling a glowing recommendation for Xtrap. Makes you wonder what they're smoking at Outspark to not learn from "competitors'" mistakes...

[Superschnitzel]

So I want to add myself to the list of complaints: I cant play anymore too. I can login, but then it say "connection to servers has failed" and thats it. And I am admin.

Outspark didnt make an announcement about the patch and now the problem is there for 4 days, I still cant play and so far I dont see any official reaction... thats not so nice...

Hope, this will change!
Jonas

[yiu-wing]

im totally mad at Xtrap
i cant go through those gates
everytime i go through the gates it automatically logges my account out and closes fiesta
and then when i log in with same account and same guy(class)
it will do the same.
i hate Xtrap

plz get rid or find a better solution
and further this game is way better than runescape dont let this xtrap thing ruin my joy and pleasure in this game
i hate to turn back to runescape im lvl 73 there btw and it s*cks

[yiu-wing]

it seems everyones mad at the xtrap - maybe if we knew what it did we wouldn't so mad

well
we already know what it does
stops botters and sscammers andd hackers

[blazecheetah]

well
we already know what it does
stops botters and sscammers andd hackers

AHAHAHA, that's a good one.

[leo222]

this fricken x-trap thing is getting on my last nerves well nothin i can do bout it lol ima try wut u guys said.....(get on admin acc)

[Stealth1312]

same for me but i can't even play fiesta it's pops up when i load my main up in CP and i reinstalled it and nothing hapens it's just the same plus i lose connection every 30 minutes plz help

[The-Sakura]

I am currently looking into X-trap myself, trying to hit it's "activation spots" so to speak, get it, and figure my way around it so I can help you all out with fixing the problem.

I have seen a slight reduction in the number of spammer/bots since x-trap came back, I don't think it was the best of ideas, although I do support it.

Outspark didn't have anything else developed and ready, and had to do something about the sheer number of bots, etc. This was the only thing they had on hand.

[thechaz]

dam it im getting it now and i really hate it ive just been on fiesta 5 minuits ago then i logged out to do something then i tried to log in again and i cant becaue of this crap xtrap

[GaaraPajama]

if you restart ur computer becuz of X trap is that a bad thing?

[hitman636]

iv noticed out this whole post not one gm has said a word in this not even to say "were on the case" or "here is a solution" or anything to show that they notice this problem even a "hmm" would be acceptable and concedring that people used actual money on the game it's something they cant really ignore. As a frist timer quite frankly it puts me of the game and it will for all other new comers to the game to know that if i have a problem that no gms are answering my posts. out of the whole 6 page i saw one solution which didnt work for me but thank m8 for the idea. its great that the members try work out the problems on there own but when it comes to sum death X trap we need sum expert surport.

if the comp resets on it's own then no lool

[Kuydo]

There has been admin commentary on this. It is not xTrap causing the issues, it is the user's system conflicting with xTrap that creates the problems.

X-Trap is a recent software addition to our games designed to prevent people from hacking by monitoring any third-party software such as any mods or other game file modifications. Because it is constantly checking your game files, it may prevent you from accessing our game when using safe programs such as Steam and XFire which access the game client while you play.

To clarify your question, X-Trap will not ban you, it will simply not allow a user with modified game files to connect. So far X-Trap has caused very little issues and many issues you may believe are connected to it have been found to be connected to other things such as a poor internet connection, or an improper install of the game. You may have noticed the lessening of spamming bots and such around Isya. This is one way that X-Trap is helping to improve our game play.

Words of caution, if you are having issues connecting to our servers and begin to modify any X-Trap files, you are violating our Terms of Service and it is a bannable offense. Please do not try to troubleshoot any issues you are having that you believe are connected to X-Trap on your own. Instead, we encourage you to contact our support dept by emailing support@outspark.com and we will be able to assist you further. Thank you!

[BladeOfLight16]

Pardon my bluntness, but the following statement is utterly wrong:


So far X-Trap has caused very little issues and many issues you may believe are connected to it have been found to be connected to other things such as a poor internet connection, or an improper install of the game.

To start with, you can find my bug report here: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47738 . Allow me to elaborate on exactly what happened. The Outspark Launcher auto-updated. Immediately following, whenever I tried to log in, I would see the X-Trap icon appear in the system tray, and then I would get the blue screen. My computer meets all the system requirements, and I tried reinstalling the entire program. That is clearly NOT an issue related to a poor internet connection or an improper install. (If it is an improper install, it's because the installer/updater is broken, and that's certainly not my fault.) My topic was the first of its kind I saw, but if you look in the bug reports, you'll find a lot of similar topics. So apparently my problem is not an isolated incident. Also keep in mind that only a small percentage of players actually participate in the forums, so the people reporting this aren't the only ones experiencing it.

Currently, I'm able to play because I used the manual patch. "So it can be fixed!" you might say. There's a problem with saying that actually fixed the issue: I can't find any evidence X-Trap is even running since I used the manual patch. I hardly call a disabled X-Trap fixed. (And if you think that's a Terms of Service violation, I did nothing but use the exact software provided by Outspark themselves. There was no manual modification on my part. All I did was download the manual patch executeable and run it.)

Don't claim it's something wrong with my computer, either. Outside this, I've experience at most 5 system crashes in the past year or so. It's probably fewer than that. This computer has given me a ridiculously little amount of trouble.

X-Trap is CLEARLY buggy and problomatic, and such software doesn't belong on anyone's computer regardless of the reason.


Because it is constantly checking your game files, it may prevent you from accessing our game when using safe programs such as Steam and XFire which access the game client while you play.

So what are we supposed to do about that? Switch security software? Disable our security software? Again, pardon my bluntness, but those are ridiculous choices. A game has no business being a determining factor in my choice of security software.

And as long as we're talking about security issues, how about forcing users to run Fiesta on an administrative account? Do you realize how bad an idea this is? Do you realize how much more vulnerable a computer is if a hacker breaks in to an administrative account? What are players supposed to do about this? Ignore a standard security practice just a play a game?


You may have noticed the lessening of spamming bots and such around Isya.

Frankly, no, I haven't noticed any less (unless you count learning how to block the invidiual spammers' messages by my own doing).

Personally, I'm a firm believer in software that works on any machine that meets its stated requirements; X-Trap is severely breaking that contract. X-Trap gets in the way of other legitimate programs, and while I'm not sure what the answer is, I know that using software that asserts its right to control your computer is not a good answer. Not because it keeps me from cheating; I don't want to cheat. It's a bad answer because a game has no place interfering with my security software and other issues like that, and trying to have that level of control seemingly interferes with the very operating system. Nothing should ever get in the way of your operating system; your operating system is there to run the computer. Getting in its way can be catstrophic. People can support it all they want, but nothing that's designed poorly enough to crash a large number of people's operating systems is a viable solution in my mind.

This is not something that "has to be done." It fails the end users' compability testing, and that's good reason to scrap it. I'm sure there are a number of anti-hacking techniques available to be used that don't involve poorly coded third party software. There are ways to build in functionality that automatically disconnects/bans/blocks messages from spammers (likely involving auto-detection of large numbers of identical messages). They might prove to be slightly problematic or annoying at times, and they will not be perfect. But they will not be game and computer cripling. X-Trap isn't perfect at what it's supposed to do, anyway, so nothing will be lost there. Yes, those solution will take some time and effort from Outspark, but if they're devoted to providing their customers with a quality product, then they will gladly choose those options over the obviously low quality X-Trap.

[lewellyn]

To start with, you can find my bug report here: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47738 . Allow me to elaborate on exactly what happened. The Outspark Launcher auto-updated. Immediately following, whenever I tried to log in, I would see the X-Trap icon appear in the system tray, and then I would get the blue screen. My computer meets all the system requirements, and I tried reinstalling the entire program. That is clearly NOT an issue related to a poor internet connection or an improper install. (If it is an improper install, it's because the installer/updater is broken, and that's certainly not my fault.) My topic was the first of its kind I saw, but if you look in the bug reports, you'll find a lot of similar topics. So apparently my problem is not an isolated incident. Also keep in mind that only a small percentage of players actually participate in the forums, so the people reporting this aren't the only ones experiencing it.



Actually, I think I had the first report of the issue... (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47574) :mad: The manual patch allows the game to run, for me. But, things are still not "right".

And regarding people posting to the forum... The general feeling is "I'll try again in a few days, after the next patch. Hopefully, they'll fix it. It's too much work to post to the forum." The flaw, of course, is that without people pointing out that something is broken, it is unlikely to be fixed...

However, it seems the Troubleshooting forum threads never get looked at by those who can actually effect change. (If they are, it's certainly never mentioned...) So, I suppose I can see the reluctance to post...

So, ya... Keep in mind that the massive number of complaints about this one issue are just the tip of the iceberg. The average user is content to get on with life and either come back to Fiesta later, or just give up on it completely.

[BladeOfLight16]

Actually, I think I had the first report of the issue... (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47574) :mad: The manual patch allows the game to run, for me. But, things are still not "right".


It seems your error is a bit different although it certainly is earlier. I meant the first topic about my particular error (a complete system crash, blue screen of death and all), but I could be wrong about it being first anyway. Sorry.

[Kahwa]

I noticed, the update before this one, that Xtrap was having a little trouble and booting me from the game now and then. When I ran the launcher and then closed any unnecessary processes, including explorer, (yes, explorer, not iexplore) it didn't happen anymore. Although, sometimes when exiting the game Xtrap would have a problem; like I care. Just FYI!

Hey, just as long as I don't have to run something like STEAM to play, I'm happy! XD

[anakasan]

I suggest removing X-Trap until Outspark staff make a note of a fix for ALL the bugs it causes people with various systems and programs running. If you type X-Trap into Google the only thing that comes up is bad things about people not being able to play some game because of it. Maybe Outspark should switch over to **** or another security software. It's ridiculous to the players that they can't play and there is no support from the development side assisting. There ARE solutions out there, but the users shouldn't have to look them up.

Yes, people can still get around the anti-hack security in X-Trap. The first thread I clicked on in Google came up with not 1 but 3 ways to get around it's junky security. All X-Trap does is scan your entire system for hack related software.

I personally, haven't had many issues with it. I have gotten 4 error codes from it so far; however, my boyfriend can't even play because the severe amount of lag running on Vista. His screen updates every 1-3 minutes.

X-Trap does have memory leaks along with Fiesta itself. I have 1 gig of DD2 ram and I can't keep it without crashing due to memory loss for more than 24 hours. I even got a dreaded BSoD (Blue screen of death) due to Memory getting corrupted. My OS completely shut down. It even told me to shutdown caching in BIOS. Now this memory in my system is only 5 months old and if you run a diagnostic on it's fine.

What a memory leak is, since someone didn't know, is when a program is running and inside the code "someone" (usually last person to say not me) forgets to release memory. This is bad in C++ because unlike Java it doesn't release the memory itself. Now that memory is floating around and no one is able to use it because it was never released. The only way to be able to use this memory again is by restarting your computer.

For developer: How to fix memory leak? Use *link removed*
Omg so easy even I can use it.


Anyways, those are my thoughts. Cheers.

[Dup84]

Amen. True. So True!

[Adrianho]

i love fiesta and now i cant play cause of xtrap i really wish that you would get rid of xtrap plz

[Zyrianna]

well, I'm all for something that'll keep the bots out, but I can't play Fiesta anymore either. =/ On another thread it said to shut down all the programs that might be interfering with x-trap, but can anyone tell me which programs are safe to shut down and which aren't? I don't want to accidentally shut down something important. ^_^;

[crissyg]

I am also one of the many people in this forum that have these problems. I started off like i do everyday. I open fiesta and i login but if i cant all i do is go to the forums to find the problem(usually i just need a patch). Then i login and play. Now i do all that, i log then i get logged of because some Xtrap problem and i cant even play. If they keep this thing then outspark may lose most of its players(maybe around 10 to 25%)and they will lose intrest in even playing, and worst they will lose money because most players on fiesta buy sparkcash, which as u all know u must pay for. For some players they would get made because they are in a guild and if they dont log soon the guild will kick them for not been an active player(not really a problem), and ive read some posts and see that their are still hackers and bots. Isnt that wat Xtrap is supposed to fix. I say use a different game protctor like wat i hear gamegaurd seems to be really popular. Now i cant really play fiesta and its like i will never play it again if they keep Xtrap on. They will also keep getting complaints about it wwhich will really bother them. I say cancel it until u find a useful solution to fix it that helps everyone, use a differen protector, or just take it off it seems to be a real bother. People might also complain as if all that time playing fiesta was a total waste. They might have a lvl60+ character which is really good and all of a sudden it just dissapers in mid air all because of a protector that doesnt really work that good. Well i hope some people will send me a private message and tell me wat they think of wat i just said.(Finally that was to long im exausted lol)

[peregrin40]

Vista user here, after reading all the posts I tried turning off Xfire, and running game client "as administrator". Launcher runs just fine, get the now loading screen, then it dumps me back to Launcher.


:(

edit: after re-installing fresh and running the manual patch I am able to run game
(note this is in compatibilty mode XP (SP2))
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35551

[GammaJack]

I suggest removing X-Trap until Outspark staff make a note of a fix for ALL the bugs it causes people with various systems and programs running. If you type X-Trap into Google the only thing that comes up is bad things about people not being able to play some game because of it. Maybe Outspark should switch over to *link removed* or another security software. It's ridiculous to the players that they can't play and there is no support from the development side assisting. There ARE solutions out there, but the users shouldn't have to look them up.

Yes, people can still get around the anti-hack security in X-Trap. The first thread I clicked on in Google came up with not 1 but 3 ways to get around it's junky security. All X-Trap does is scan your entire system for hack related software.

I personally, haven't had many issues with it. I have gotten 4 error codes from it so far; however, my boyfriend can't even play because the severe amount of lag running on Vista. His screen updates every 1-3 minutes.

X-Trap does have memory leaks along with Fiesta itself. I have 1 gig of DD2 ram and I can't keep it without crashing due to memory loss for more than 24 hours. I even got a dreaded BSoD (Blue screen of death) due to Memory getting corrupted. My OS completely shut down. It even told me to shutdown caching in BIOS. Now this memory in my system is only 5 months old and if you run a diagnostic on it's fine.

What a memory leak is, since someone didn't know, is when a program is running and inside the code "someone" (usually last person to say not me) forgets to release memory. This is bad in C++ because unlike Java it doesn't release the memory itself. Now that memory is floating around and no one is able to use it because it was never released. The only way to be able to use this memory again is by restarting your computer.

For developer: How to fix memory leak? Use *link removed*!
Omg so easy even I can use it.


Anyways, those are my thoughts. Cheers.

this. and the fact my computer shuts down every hour on the hour because of xtrap kinda pisses me off. plus the fact thats its not doing what the hell its supposed to be doing, its in breach of contract, and its just keeping decent players off the game. so i think i can say this as bluntly as possible for everyone whos having problems like me with xtrap...




X-TRAP!

Seriously, Game Guard people. I play with it in maplestory and my computer doesnt shut down every hour on the hour. so for the people who actually pay, and enjoy playing this game mods, do us all a really huge favor, and just get x-trap the outta the game, and put in something like game guard.

[yiu-wing]

well, I'm all for something that'll keep the bots out, but I can't play Fiesta anymore either. =/ On another thread it said to shut down all the programs that might be interfering with x-trap, but can anyone tell me which programs are safe to shut down and which aren't? I don't want to accidentally shut down something important. ^_^;

firewall you should shut that
some games online says to shut it down
sometimes it can make you not to play or it can make you lagg and freeze

[halfzipp420]

firewall you should shut that
some games online says to shut it down
sometimes it can make you not to play or it can make you lagg and freeze

BS! You should Never have to disable your firewall or antivirus to play a game and if that is the case then it is quite obvious there is coding issues that need to be addressed. I love when I hear people saying that you have to disable **** to use software, it really gives me a good laugh, cause it is just an excuse for poor programming, plain and simple. It is the easiest way to get around a coding error that caused a compatibility issue, without actually having to fix anything.


There has been admin commentary on this. It is not xTrap causing the issues, it is the user's system conflicting with xTrap that creates the problems.

thats bs, plain and simple. and to hear **** like "uninstall your third party apps" is even more bulls**t.

If an application is as buggy and unstable as this one, it should Never be deployed.

If you are having issues with Xtrap and would like to get rid of it, run the manual patch and it should get rid of xtrap. This is what I did and xtrap is now gone. and thank god that it is because now I can play the game without getting booted every 5 minutes.

And yes, F**K xtrap!! and as someone else said. Why the hell dont you use Game Guard??? at least we Know that it works without all these ridiculous issues.


So, what are the current issues with Xtrap? I count the following:


Keeps legitimate users out
Doesn't work on 64-bit Windows
Now requires Admin privileges to *play* Fiesta
Causes lag/sluggishness while playing
Causes game crashes
Doesn't actually resolve the problem it's meant to solve.
Is not listed as something that runs with Fiesta, ever, thus violating trust. (What else will be added that runs as Administrator without anyone knowing?)
Causes BSODs.
Xtrap's mechanism is easily thwarted by those who are the actual targets.
Even "normal" users can bypass Xtrap. (No, I'm not helping anyone do it! And doing it's against ToS, so expect to be banned if you're noticed. :cool:)
Restarts PC with little to no warning and is apparently un-cancelable when it decides to do this. Potential data loss may occur.


Did I miss anything? A single, consolidated list will help with troubleshooting. So, if you post more issues that I've missed, I'll update this post.

This alone is more than enough reason to totally scrap this garbage application.

Maybe try using something that is Known to work, something like Game Guard perhaps?

Btw, great list lewellyn and to comment on one thing. The fact that they install third party apps on our systems without our knowledge, which is exactly what xtrap is, is total anti-trust, just like you said and more than enough reason to stop playing the game. The random shutdowns are pretty ridiculous as well and ive already had to deal with some data loss because of it..

Oh and a way to get around xtrap is to manually patch.. somehow this gets rid of xtrap and Im pretty sure manually patching is Not against the tos, so youd be quite safe doing this.

EDIT:

Id also love to see where in the TOS it says anything regarding xtrap. Oh thats right, it Doesnt...

[anakasan]

Here's some useful information for anyone having trouble with X-Trap. I found some programs that GameGuard blocks that potentially X-Trap also blocks. If you are having problems with X-Trap please try turning these programs off.


Logitech G-series Keyboard Profiler (profiler is required to use G-keys and any features)
Ollydbg
Wireshark (formerly Ethereal)
Almost all VNC servers, such as RealVNC (does not block or shut down, but disables input)
LimeWire (does not shut down or show "Hacking Attempt" error, but closes the application)
Cheat Engine (some strings and block of codes are detected, even buffer of a size 512, so the names of some things can be changed to evade detection. Most people called it Undetected Cheat Engine (UCE) when it is not detected by nProtect GameGuard.)
The Core Media Player
WhatPulse
Outpost Firewall Pro
Process Explorer
Xpadder
WPE Pro
Tsearch

If you know of any programs that X-Trap blocks post them up. It might help someone else in need.

-

A little backup support: I never had to shut down any firewalls ever to play any online game with a security software including X-Trap.

[yiu-wing]

i agree that outspark shoulda use gameguard

[peregrin40]

Here's some useful information for anyone having trouble with X-Trap. I found some programs that GameGuard blocks that potentially X-Trap also blocks. If you are having problems with X-Trap please try turning these programs off.



If you know of any programs that X-Trap blocks post them up. It might help someone else in need.

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A little backup support: I never had to shut down any firewalls ever to play any online game with a security software including X-Trap.

From my testing (had to uninstall last evening, then re-install and run manual patch, in order to get game to let me in) Xfire running will dump you to launcher (not logged in to Xfire, just Xfire running).

As for firewalls, MMO's and security software. If you have to shutdown a firewall to play a game, don't play that game it is just that simple. Firewalls exist to protect your computer. In most cases you can set the exeptions in the firewall to 'not block' applications that you want to run and in some cases you may need to update those exceptions to allow security software (Xtrap, Gameshield, Game Guard, etc) through the firewall.

ps: Another thing to note is that you may be able to find a better (more flexible) Firewall program that will allow you to play a particular game without shutting down firewall, but till you do it is probably best you not play that particular game rather than shutting off firewall.

[Kuydo]

this. and the fact my computer shuts down every hour on the hour because of xtrap kinda pisses me off. plus the fact thats its not doing what the hell its supposed to be doing, its in breach of contract, and its just keeping decent players off the game. so i think i can say this as bluntly as possible for everyone whos having problems like me with xtrap...
F**K X-TRAP!
Seriously, Game Guard people. I play with it in maplestory and my computer doesnt shut down every hour on the hour. so for the people who actually pay, and enjoy playing this game mods, do us all a really huge favor, and just get x-trap the f**k outta the game, and put in something like game guard.



thats bs, plain and simple. and to hear **** like "uninstall your third party apps" is even more bulls**t.
If an application is as buggy and unstable as this one, it should Never be deployed.
If you are having issues with Xtrap and would like to get rid of it, run the manual patch and it should get rid of xtrap. This is what I did and xtrap is now gone. and thank god that it is because now I can play the game without getting booted every 5 minutes.

And yes, F**K xtrap!! and as someone else said. Why the hell dont you use Game Guard??? at least we Know that it works without all these ridiculous issues.
This alone is more than enough reason to totally scrap this garbage application.

Maybe try using something that is Known to work, something like Game Guard perhaps?

Btw, great list lewellyn and to comment on one thing. The fact that they install third party apps on our systems without our knowledge, which is exactly what xtrap is, is total anti-trust, just like you said and more than enough reason to stop playing the game. The random shutdowns are pretty ridiculous as well and ive already had to deal with some data loss because of it..

Oh and a way to get around xtrap is to manually patch.. somehow this gets rid of xtrap and Im pretty sure manually patching is Not against the tos, so youd be quite safe doing this.

EDIT:

Id also love to see where in the TOS it says anything regarding xtrap. Oh thats right, it Doesnt...

First off if your going to comment on something be a little more mature and do not use curse words while doing so. This forum is built around all ages, it would be wise to take that into consideration. Secondly Outspark is currently in the Open Beta test phase. This means that they are Testing things within the game and how it works with the players, different effects of items, balance, so on and so forth. Would you rather see them not trying to get xTrap to not conflict with your systems and let the bots and spammers run wild? I would think not, and no GameGuard also has its bugs. This is coming from some one who played MapleStory for a year. They are allowed to test out programs to help the players out, and if one does try to mess with the program, then it is indeed an infraction of the ToS.



1: You acknowledge and agree that the OUTSPARK Site and the OUTSPARK Games contain materials owned by OUTSPARK and its licensors (including other users), and you agree not to interfere the copyrights, trademarks and other proprietary rights of such parties. You agree that these rights are valid and protected in all media existing now or later developed, and that except as is explicitly provided otherwise, your use of such materials shall be governed by the copyright laws of the United States and other applicable laws. We reserve the right to make changes the nature of our services, including, without limitation, removing and adding OUTSPARK Games at anytime and without notice.

2:Reproduce, distribute, publicly display or perform, translate, modify, adapt, create derivative works from, deconstruct, reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble in any manner any OUTSPARK Game or any portion thereof, including but not limited to any character, graphic, associated software or proprietary communications protocol used by the software or any utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived therefrom;

[csr_hal]

folks, x-trap isn't going away. it may have it's bugs but we are actively working to correct these issues. instead of complaining (which does nothing), report your problem to the help desk so we can help you find the root of your problem, correct it, and get you playing again (which does a lot!)

[rafale]

Would you rather see them not trying to get xTrap to not conflict with your systems and let the bots and spammers run wild?

Frankly, I see no difference in the amount of bots and spammers between now and to before xtrap was re-introduced to the game client. They just evolved and became smarter; whisper spam is a bigger violation of personal space than normal chat/shout spamming ever did.

If xtrap is here to stay then I guess I'll have to move on. Its slowly destroying my system by interfering with memory and my security software. The frequent hard reboots aren't doing my computer any good either. And lastly, I apologize if this sounds rude, but I trust my antivirus software a lot more than I trust a gaming company in determining the best security (or lack of it) for my computer and what is and what isn't a rootkit spyware.

[zekker]

report your problem to the help desk so we can help you find the root of your problem, correct it, and get you playing again (which does a lot!)
Where can I find it?

Xtrap makes me blue screened every time I try to run Fiesta.
Error code: 0x0000008e or 1000008e
After debug memoru dump file: probably caused by XDva098.sys.

My system:
WinXP prof.
AMD X2 3600+ @ 2400MHz
1GB RAM Kingston
Nvidia Palit 8800GT 512MB

Second:
WinXP prof.
Intel Pentium M 1.6GHz
Integrated graphic Intel 915

[alise_shena_taleas]

Just a quck solution for all of you. I've noticed that when X-trap gives me an error when I attempt to log in it's because the game didn't patch properly. Try to reinstall the game or manual patch. That usually works for me.

Also, be assured that outspark is watching these threads closer then you know.

[Mykroshop]

I cant enjoy a decent game anymore!!! com on Outspark you ppl hav done a brilliant thing with this MMORPG which has a LOT of potential... and then XTrap... d/c evry 45mins ... just losing ppl is wht its gonna achieve it totally sucks being d/c'd from a KQ especially at the END and then NOT recieve EXP that I've worked soo hard for!!!! Pls Pls Pls remove this nuisance coz it's REALLY ANNOYING and SAD..... so there!

[dudeofire]

I say get rid of x trap and get the anti-hack system that nexon uses for their mmorpg.
I believe it is Gameguard. Even that is better then xtrap.

[halfzipp420]

They are allowed to test out programs to help the players out, and if one does try to mess with the program, then it is indeed an infraction of the ToS.

Actually, manually patching is NOT against the TOS, so thanks for the effort there but try again..

[Kuydo]

Actually, manually patching is NOT against the TOS, so thanks for the effort there but try again..

I've never stated manual patching was against the ToS. What I stated is if one preforms any action that does anything to the files of Fiesta or xTrap then it is ban-able, the only thing that is allowed to effect the files is the manual patch itself. Because the patch is a product of Outspark, as such using it to fix any patch problems is certainly allowed. Also please make note Manual patching does not remove xTrap, as it is clearly shown within the end of the manual patch details that the xTrap files are still there and active. I've checked it myself they are included at the end of it. And the icon is still on my toolbar.

[joshua_k2009]

What is the Patch that seems to Fix the x-trap problem? Can anyone put a link form Outspark?

[trillan]

I think the staff at out spark should remove xtrap because it makes fiesta in general lag.There are way better programs they could use for anti hacking.x trap is an unstable program and needs to be removed!So out spark staff if you can read english please consider it.Untill it is remove so am I from playing this laggy game,
p.s
try useing Game guard!

[trillan]

[QUOTE=trillan;536128]I think the staff at out spark should remove xtrap because it makes fiesta in general lag.There are way better programs they could use for anti hacking.x trap is an unstable program and needs to be removed!So out spark staff if you can read english please consider it.Untill it is remove so am I from playing this laggy game,
p.s
try useing Game guard!

[Flyff]

I just HOPE that they change XTrap into something else like GameGuard..

[spiney156]

i happened to buy my mac 3 weeks b4 leopard came out so i have to settle for crossover games in order to play windows game, the problem is that gameguard does not work with mac, does x trap?

[virauge]

So let me understand this. Because of a program I paid for to protect my computer, a free game will not work because of a poorly coded anti-cheat program?

Explain to me how Outpost Firewall Pro is a cheat device. When you rack your brain and realize it's not a cheat device, why is Xtrap keeping me from playing with the firewall enabled? I see now why SoTNW rid themselves of this piece of trash. Players overwhelmingly spoke out against it and they finally got rid of it. Why is this failure of an anti-cheat program still being used?

Well after a few tests, if I have my firewall running Xtrap somehow forces Outpost to completely shut down internet activity. Gotta give Xtrap props it does what it's supposed to. It keep people from cheating on an online game by not letting them play it at all, or in my case, even let me USE FIREFOX TO LOOK FOR A SOLUTION. Yep you heard me with outpost as soon as Xtrap is active, I lose all internet activity. Pro solution by a pro program. I mean how many other nice things can I say about this?

[sirviney]

it's not a cheat device and no one ever said it was. All that it is doing is blocking X-trap I believe... I don't really know though, I'm not too farmiliar with X-Trap.

In any case if you want to give feedback please post there, do not flame this thread further.

[Shahared]

Not only should you not be flaming here, you should not be necroing posts from months ago. Xtrap is not going to be removed, and if you have a problem with it you should post in the troubleshooting section to try and solve it. Also there are numerous FAQ's on the internet dealing with how to get xtrap to work with specific programs. Maybe one of these would help you. I will be closing this thread, as Xtrap is no longer a discussable topic on these forums.