Discussion about Spot Stealing and Own a Spot and so on

[Kaiza]

Sooo after soooo many dramas in Fiesta about stealing spot i want to discuss this here. There are many different point of views and i was thinking about it 2 days already and got a result:

As example when people AoE in Forest of Slumber at the Ancient Stonies and others come in and tell they fight here too now. Even if the party who AoE there first dont agree.

Is this right? People dont own spots?

My opinion is that it is like in real life. Think about casinos: You go in and play something. You dont own it also, and it is NOT right if someone come and push you away to play there or? So he should wait till the other finished there to play there also.

Finally it has only to do with respecting other people and not own something. We all know it is for everyone but they never respect others, maybe it is because this is NOT the real life, BUT WE ARE STILL HUMANS!

Also the high lvls hav it really bad with the mobs. the highest XP mobs are already yellow and is always crowd there.

At the end i must apologize for my bad english xD And i hope a GM would comment this also, because no1 knows how to react right.

Greetz Elfenlied!

PS: Please comment this

[XelveX]

0.o wow that took me... 20 seconds to translate ^^ don't worry about your english, I can read it perfectly.

The reason why there are new maps is that the high levels 70+ are having trouble to level, am I correct?

Burning rock, Swamp of Dawn are all designed to get level 70+ characters more exp than they get when they are stuck in FoS killing lizards and others.

Just be patient, Outspark is sure to release more areas and hopefully free up so much spots, that we won't complain.

[XpierulesX]

I get the, "Don't steal mah mobs u ch00b"

[Kaiza]

0.o wow that took me... 20 seconds to translate ^^ don't worry about your english, I can read it perfectly.

The reason why there are new maps is that the high levels 70+ are having trouble to level, am I correct?

Burning rock, Swamp of Dawn are all designed to get level 70+ characters more exp than they get when they are stuck in FoS killing lizards and others.

Just be patient, Outspark is sure to release more areas and hopefully free up so much spots, that we won't complain.

Yes i know but mainly i meant the stealing

[smitske]

this has only got a thing to do with respect

[Kaiza]

this has only got a thing to do with respect

Yeah and many people dont do it

[joecracker]

u can aoe fine and sghare, people think because they satnd in the middle or the map they have the right to all the mobs

at the place in fos there is room for 3 groups to grind, since 3 main areas to pull and kill


yes there should be a respect thing, but also people should try to bully lower lvls them then around thinking they can opwn the spot

if someon is there first they have the right to pick what are they have, but shouldnt no allow others to grind to, i could go on and on about this

in the end everyone thinks differnt about this

but seriously, if a group is standing talking all mobs from every area and another group comes in or even duo or solo people come in and ur not there pulling those mobs in that minute or second then its the people that came in should get a chance to kill those mobs

because no one OWN's the whole stonie area in fos

[Kaiza]

u can aoe fine and sghare, people think because they satnd in the middle or the map they have the right to all the mobs

at the place in fos there is room for 3 groups to grind, since 3 main areas to pull and kill


yes there should be a respect thing, but also people should try to bully lower lvls them then around thinking they can opwn the spot

if someon is there first they have the right to pick what are they have, but shouldnt no allow others to grind to, i could go on and on about this

in the end everyone thinks differnt about this

but seriously, if a group is standing talking all mobs from every area and another group comes in or even duo or solo people come in and ur not there pulling those mobs in that minute or second then its the people that came in should get a chance to kill those mobs

because no one OWN's the whole stonie area in fos

Mostly there 2 PTs for 3 spots. And also think about: lvl 77 need nonstop 55 hours to get 1 lvlup... 1 of them AoE 2 spots cuz spawntime other is Duo/Trio

[Garvin2000]

Just be patient, Outspark is sure to release more areas and hopefully free up so much spots, that we won't complain.

You can bet money, when/if those areas come out, that all those who flooded the other areas will flood the new ones.


Even if they can't really handle it there =/

[Kaiza]

You can bet money, when/if those areas come out, that all those who flooded the other areas will flood the new ones.


Even if they can't really handle it there =/

This is normal, but they mostly die there, so no worry and post related to topic pls

[Jhanniss]

The other day I was in Teva and this other cleric comes in and starts killing the mobs around me, including trying to kill mine. Then he has the balls to tell me I'm KSing him. This lead to a lot of verbal exchanging.

His attitude in the end? "That's ok, I'll still get experience from this".


THAT is the kind of attitude that irritates me in-game. I do not own any spot but as the original poster said, you don't just come in and start pushing people around. It's just plain rude and newbies. I am refraining for now on telling which guild and person it was because that is not the purpose of this post.

Be polite when you walk into someone elses hunting grounds. Don't walk in with egomania on the brain and start taking stuff. It's a matter of manners (and sharing). If you can't treat others with some decensy, don't cry when others haul off on you in response to your actions.

[smitske]

some people just lack respect for others.

[Kaiza]

The other day I was in Teva and this other cleric comes in and starts killing the mobs around me, including trying to kill mine. Then he has the balls to tell me I'm KSing him. This lead to a lot of verbal exchanging.

His attitude in the end? "That's ok, I'll still get experience from this".


THAT is the kind of attitude that irritates me in-game. I do not own any spot but as the original poster said, you don't just come in and start pushing people around. It's just plain rude and newbies. I am refraining for now on telling which guild and person it was because that is not the purpose of this post.

Be polite when you walk into someone elses hunting grounds. Don't walk in with egomania on the brain and start taking stuff. It's a matter of manners (and sharing). If you can't treat others with some decensy, don't cry when others haul off on you in response to your actions.

This is everyday on Teva at Ancient Stonie spot. They fight over and over. Even right now and thats why i made this topic to get an end of this all

[Kaiza]

some people just lack respect for others.

But some are just dont know how to react right i think and GMs should make Rules for this.

[Mekoides]

I think the bottom line is that the maps are overpopulated. Outspark needs to keep up with the growth of their customers. Instead of waiting on more people to hit 79 before opening the 80+ maps, how about creating ADDITIONAL lvl 60-70 and lvl 70-79 maps? Much like they added scaffold, how about some more maps with AEW and FOS mobs in them?

[Kaiza]

I think the bottom line is that the maps are overpopulated. Outspark needs to keep up with the growth of their customers. Instead of waiting on more people to hit 79 before opening the 80+ maps, how about creating ADDITIONAL lvl 60-70 and lvl 70-79 maps? Much like they added scaffold, how about some more maps with AEW and FOS mobs in them?

Outspark dont make the maps. I forgot who but outspark hav to wait also till they fixed all buggs and so on till they can release it fully. The only thing atm is just wait and be patient for rules.

[Asheer]

So far any kind of "war over the spot" is prohibited(i belive in Dakkon's Guidelines about GW was an "paragraph" about this) and every such acting should be reported.

However right now GMs have far more serious problems as clear "owners right to certain spots" issues.

By the way let me post this.

Only one owner of all maps and spots are OUTSPARK as developers.
We as players have granted by them ONLY Temporal Rights of Passage and grinding on those maps.
No player have rights to claim "ownership rights" to any spot in game atleast he will have such rights granted by Outspark staffs (what is by the way hardly to imagine).
Every players have equal rights to be on all maps and any kind of action from player A against player B witch will have effect in preventing of aquiring XP point by player B should never take place.


I known that this sound silly but i hope there is atleast spark of logic here :)

[Kaiza]

So far any kind of "war over the spot" is prohibited(i belive in Dakkon's Guidelines about GW was an "paragraph" about this) and every such acting should be reported.

However right now GMs have far more serious problems as clear "owners right to certain spots" issues.

By the way let me post this.

Only one owner of all maps and spots are OUTSPARK as developers.
We as players have granted by them ONLY Temporal Rights of Passage and grinding on those maps.
No player have rights to claim "ownership rights" to any spot in game atleast he will have such rights granted by Outspark staffs (what is by the way hardly to imagine).
Every players have equal rights to be on all maps and any kind of action from player A against player B witch will have effect in preventing of aquiring XP point by player B should never take place.


I known that this sound silly but i hope there is atleast spark of logic here :)

Yeah but then if you add this not only to spots but on mobs then its legal to KS also. Because mobs are not own by players but by outspark ^-^ think about it

[Asheer]

Yeah but then if you add this not only to spots but on mobs then its legal to KS also. Because mobs are not own by players but by outspark ^-^ think about it

You right but my post was directed on terytorial issues.
In case of mob we have FIRST HIT (not last in case of KSers) rights and thats mean if you hit first then you claim ALL rights to killed monster(XP, drops if you are grind solo).

KILL STEAL WAS, IS, AND STAY in game CRIME!

All this issues have one main base, and i mean courtesy betwen players.

Let me make an example.

My sister grind in CP on Harkans and she have already use kick lo lure one of them away from other mobs there, but after a second another +30 fighter use his own kick on THIS SAME Harkan and steal him from her because he was close and have strongest aggro as my sister.

If we start STEAL!(not KS) mobs from eachothers then i see very dark future for Fiesta...

[Kaiza]

If we start STEAL!(not KS) mobs from eachothers then i see very dark future for Fiesta...

I think they need make clearly rules only. Because with the spots its BS. You know if i can kill 4 orcs a row very fast form 1 spot in time. I would not like to wait every min for 1 orc or?

Also with clearly rules fiesta will grow up and not as bad as u thin right now. Be patient and giv it a try like i does^^

I enjoy much but get sick of all this fights.

[KireiYosei]

I think there isn't much we can do about it, but its common courtesy.. give people some space. Stonies is a bad spot. Once someone was riding through the place, gathering stonies from every spot. Of course he'd lose some, but he'd still take a good chunk of them, and reverse train other parties.
Once I was farming herbs in AEW and some party came in there and started killing in the same area. Eventually the guy told us to stay in the back because the back was ours, and the front was theirs, and still they took mobs from our "spot".

People can get greedy in higher levels D:

[Asheer]

'Welcome on The Dark Side" :D

[Kaiza]

But i got only 1 spot with 3 people... Even not enough for us and we hav to wait. They still come and take over all mobs

[smitske]

do what i do, dont grind ive given up on trying, staying 60 till i do enough KQ's to lvl xP

[Kaiza]

I am sunday/monday capped and you say strop? xD

[smitske]

im 60 and ive given up ^^

[whitecrowe]

You know, if the battlegrounds gave all the extra exp like they should you could hunt freely with your group AND legally kill the people who try to take your spot.

For the main issue I don't mind if someone kills a few of the mob's near me unless they totally dominate the place and I have to worry about blasting the mob first meaning I don't get to use disease first and loose attacks/damage. If someone trys to KS me I've found using NP is effective, on clerics more than others, so then they can tank the mob while I get exp.

I can see how soloing tactics wouldn't work in AoE groups, but those seem a bit unfair since you need dozens of monsters in a very short amount of time and people tend to 'steal' what you're training on. And with several mages using inferno/frost nova I could see an entire area with a very ackwardly spawning monster population..

So yeah, fixing battlegrounds could fix the problem. It'd give people better places to train than AeW or FoS while letting you AoE people as well as monsters.

[smitske]

well BG have problem that u killyour pt members, if they fix that it miht work

[whitecrowe]

BG kills your party members? Oh well... Maybe if the tank would stand on the very edge XP

[todd0168]

BG does not kill your party members. The only skills that I have seen effect party members is devastate (which will only stun, not kill your PM) and the archers aoe poison (which has never done enough damage to me to kill me). While these to facts are annoying, I have found that its quite easy and effecient to aoe in there. I have grouped in there several times with my guildmates (while we were all still 50s) and although the exp per mob was not quite as high we could easily aoe 30-40 mobs at a time. And they went down pretty easy. So while it was less per mob it was definately more per pull and each pull took roughly the same time or less then aoe in regular grind spots.

Just my two coppers worth.

[joecracker]

so elf let me get this right, only lvl 77 should be able to take 2 spots there because they nede it to lvl faster, what about the other people in game? its all about give and take, people need to learn no one owns a spot, and when someone else comes to maybe let them have it as its a spot too, i mean yes i understand higher lvls takes 2 days to lvl there with all 3 spots maybe 2 spots, but still this means they should open BR because its hard for all to lvl

[Kaiza]

Stoppppppppp It And Back To Topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kaiza]

so elf let me get this right, only lvl 77 should be able to take 2 spots there because they nede it to lvl faster, what about the other people in game? its all about give and take, people need to learn no one owns a spot, and when someone else comes to maybe let them have it as its a spot too, i mean yes i understand higher lvls takes 2 days to lvl there with all 3 spots maybe 2 spots, but still this means they should open BR because its hard for all to lvl

But its still who are first in spot. Look at my first threat with the casino. Its really the same... Think little deeper about it. The others can wait till someone is finished then they can grind there or not? This is respecting others who are first there...

And also: If you play 13h a day you can lvl in 3 days... If you play normal like 3~4h you need then 9+ days O.o and this really sucks or not?

[ScoobyDoo]

In my opinion

1. nobody own the spot but yea ppl need put some respect to the other who come ealier and grind there.

2. Lvl like 77-79 is really hard to level. they got no choice beside grind at Ancient Stonie spot, other mob is already gives bad exp.
then when lvl 60+ come in and say hey i want a spot, well basically ppl will get angry and think that, ur low level there is still many choice for u to level and grind why must come here ?!?!

3. Solo vs AOE team, of course Aoe team will win in eliminate the big group of mobs at once !, but some soloer got no brain, solo at main spawn place and make AOE pt pissed off. result drama again.

thats all :)

-Nobody own the place, but still ppl put some respect for them who workhard and come first-

ScoobyDoo
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[Mitaka]

I am a cleric, and I tend to solo in AEW. I don't mind the AOE parties, as long as they leave me 1 or 2 monsters to deal with. The way I look at it, is that this is a game and it is stupid to get upset because someone "steals" my mobs before I get a chance to hit htem.

Now, I can understand the frustration that is being expressed in this thread regarding other AOE parties "stealing" mobs from one another. Unfortunately, the only solution for those who will not share is to wait for Outspark to release new maps.

Engaging in verbal warfare or worse does not help the situation in any fashion; it only adds fuel to the flames. If something like this does happen to you and your party - be the bigger person, and let it go. However, if it is the same people consistantly, then maybe they should be reported for harassment. Moral of my post: Play nicely with others.:D

[capron]

I have experienced being driven away when we finally made a decent AOE party and have chosen a spot only to be broken apart and disrespected by a few people. It has happened many times and its hard to tell who was there first and of course who was telling the truth. One event that took place was somebody of high levels while AOEing was luring monsters from where we are and it was kind of irritating. My whole party left in fear of a guild war and humiliation. They said they were there for about 3+ days straight so I guess they owned the 2 spots for 3 days straight and not sharing it to anybody. It started to be choatic and I urged my team to move. I really don't like the behavior and it is not expected by people at that level, but I guess it still occurs.

[Jhanniss]

Spot Stealing, I don't really consider it much beyond just being rude in general.

Tonight I was in AEW with a few friends and we're at the hill leading up towards FOS. Anyone who hunts there knows only 3 spawns are there - 2 trumpies and a red stonie. We're a group of 4 people.

Along comes this other group of people and starts to go around the back and come up behind the mountain. Then sits there for some 20 minutes. It's obvious what they're there for but even after initial words politely asking them to move up the mountain since it's only 3 mobs, they still sat there and tried to take mobs.

If you come across a really small area with only 3 spawns in it and the persons there are killing them faster than they respawn, then that's a hint that its probably good to find another spot nearby as there are plenty of other areas just as healthy for exp.

3 mobs in a small spot.. group of 4 killing them fast. Common sense. :P

[zmonfosho]

i honestly dont understand people... if you are not at least lvl 60 you dont even belong at stonies... because at that low of a level you are either being plvled or you are wasting your time. at that level you will make faster exp on a lower level mob if you are soloing cause you cant kill them fast enough and if your party can kill them fast then you are probably the lowest level in your pt and you are being plvled. and now think of it from a high levels perspective... currently i am lvl 70 and i need 12 million exp to lvl just think if that was you what would you do to level... would you go to aew and grind or would you go and try to aoe 1/3 of the stonies and get maybe at best 5k per pull or would you try to aoe all the stonies and get close to 600k per hour. its just not fair for higher levels to have to nickel and dime their way to millions of exp because a few lower level people, who could make better ppl aoeing navars or blue trumpies, want to try and be big dogs or w/e to level. i promise if you would just try measuring your exp per hour you would see that you are wasting your time. but we dont have a choice there arent any higher level mobs for us to grind on or else i would be the first one to say they are all yours but there is no way for me to lvl only killing a few stonies at a time. so please... next time you decide to come to stonies pls respect those who are there because we dont have the options you do.

thank you for reading and i dont mean to offend anyone with this it is just the perspective from my side of the fence.

AmericasHero

[joecracker]

the thing is scooby, no one own that, where u AOE thats fine, but if someon come to the entrace and see no on is stnading there what else are they going do then strat to grind,

yes respect the people that come first, but also the people there shouldnt hog all the mobs to prevent other from lvling fast too

thats all i am saying, what about 7x scooby, we all need high mobs too

but thats not the problem, its people who think they own all the mobs.

ITS NOT JUST CERTAIN PEOPLE OR CERTAIN MAPS, its a lot of people and ALL MAPS!

i mean misunderstandings are going happen, and its going get worse and worse as more hit 7x, and thats the things, tempers flare but we all must know this isnt going to get better till the new maps


i dont blame anyone, because they should release BR at least for the 7x people, because these problems are going get worse :)

[Gaaraxxx]

0.o wow that took me... 20 seconds to translate ^^ don't worry about your english, I can read it perfectly.

The reason why there are new maps is that the high levels 70+ are having trouble to level, am I correct?

Burning rock, Swamp of Dawn are all designed to get level 70+ characters more exp than they get when they are stuck in FoS killing lizards and others.

Just be patient, Outspark is sure to release more areas and hopefully free up so much spots, that we won't complain.


im pretty sure the new maps are level 79+ hense the glitched quests in uruga.
It will be released along with the level cap.
Which im hoping wont be for quite some time.

[capron]

It depends on the party of how fast we kill. Depending on the tanker, we could effectively kill many stonies. So we could effectively train at FOS. Our party levels were 50-60 and with the trumpy spots being taken we decided to try FOS. It went out well when that event occured. If it was low experience then we should have common knowledge to move, but it was not. We could handle it easily. I know higher levels need more experience though there actions were way out of hand, at least give some decent respect as to not kill steal monsters, though they continue to irritate us which finally disbanded the party. If I can't find parties decent enough...I guess I should solo orcs as I started at level 50 to gain some good experience which will take patience. If I could vote for burning rock to open I would vote yes so many other people can actually grind in FOS. Please share to others.^_^

[togashi]

Here is the situation in Apoline: Every 7x want to aoe at ancient stonies and, in my opinion, it will eventually lead to unnessary and unavoidble mob competitions. So for now my friends and i arent trying to aoe any longer. Instead we decide to solo. It slow but steady.
I know there are plenty of discussions over this highest lvl spawn, ancient stonies. And as we might have heard, most of ppl complained about how soon Burning Rock and all higher lvl maps will be released. But please understand that they are in process of being done so. All we can do now is just to wait.
Now i think i should say my suggestion to solve this problem besides the release of those maps. How do u think of sub-servers? Im refering to servers that, for example, an Apolinean can travel through without having to start off at lvl 1. Hopefully this is easier than releasing BR.

[togashi]

In my opinion

1. nobody own the spot but yea ppl need put some respect to the other who come ealier and grind there.

2. Lvl like 77-79 is really hard to level. they got no choice beside grind at Ancient Stonie spot, other mob is already gives bad exp.
then when lvl 60+ come in and say hey i want a spot, well basically ppl will get angry and think that, ur low level there is still many choice for u to level and grind why must come here ?!?!

3. Solo vs AOE team, of course Aoe team will win in eliminate the big group of mobs at once !, but some soloer got no brain, solo at main spawn place and make AOE pt pissed off. result drama again.

thats all :)

-Nobody own the place, but still ppl put some respect for them who workhard and come first-

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I would agree to #1 and 2 but not 3. Sry, most of the time aoe parties tried to stay at stonies whole day.

[whitecrowe]

Umm, the sub-server part confused me. Care to explain?

[togashi]

Umm, the sub-server part confused me. Care to explain?

Have u played other games where u can travels freely through servers to find spots to train?
For now Teva, Apoline, and Bijou are all main servers. Lets say u have a char in Teva. In case all of the spots in Teva are taken, you aren't allowed to go into Apoline to grind even if u want to. It would be nice if we can have at least 1 sub server for each main server. I'm sure ppl will find it better ;)

[ZombieMouse]

The other issue with some AOE parties is even when you are soloing if they see you anywhere near where They might be grinding they yell in local shout "don't steal our mobs". Um if I am killing 1 mob on my own I am not making that big of an impact on your AOE party that is essentially clearing the map. Now I mostly do spider kq when I do play, or hang aorund in the various pvp areas. I am in no rush to reach 79. Because when you do hit 79 what then???????

[capron]

After 79, you have nothing else to do, but kill people in PvP grounds and train alternatives..so share the spot, you will eventually reach level 79.:p

[togashi]

After 79, you have nothing else to do, but kill people in PvP grounds and train alternatives..so share the spot, you will eventually reach level 79.:p

That's not the case. Many ppl want to be 1st 79s because they will get rewards for reaching there.

[smitske]

and many dont try cause they hate grinding.
I like the alternate sub servers though, played games who had it and there was a whole lot less competition, but it will also be a whole lot harder to get PT, if you dont pt with friends/guildys.

[Kaiza]

After 79, you have nothing else to do, but kill people in PvP grounds and train alternatives..so share the spot, you will eventually reach level 79.:p


That's not the case. Many ppl want to be 1st 79s because they will get rewards for reaching there.

There much mroe than that

1. Back to RL
2. Get Golddzzz
3. Get rares
4. more time to help
5. PvP

And now back to TOPIC!!!!

[ZombieMouse]

I could be wrong but I sure that we have a 79 for each class on Teva. The Blue weapons and stuff were only for the first person of each class to reach 79 not for every person in the game.... And besides I seen the blue 79 sword and I was not impressed....

[smitske]

no but all that reach 79 get a special weapen(atleast to mly knowledge they did)

[Kaiza]

1. pls only related to topic!
2. 1. each Class get +9 and 2, and 3rd get +3!
3. NOT ALL GET ONLY FIRST 3!

[smitske]

really? ive seen many people getting a special event weapen to become 79

[Zenkarus]

umm....just cuz they have it doesnt mean they got it from the gms....

[joecracker]

this post went off topic, :(

[smitske]

yes it was, those weapens can only be obtained of a GM

[Kaiza]

STOP it NOW damn it >_> That are Event items from Valentines day you meant...

But from 79 u get Teva weapons or blue! NOW STOP!

CL or someone else pls remove posts not related to topic! it annoy!

[togashi]

I did offer my solution for ur topic tho: open sub-servers if they dont feel like release BR and other maps.

Btw ZombieMouse, it's not 1st 79 of each class gets a blue. It's 1st 79 of each SERVER who get blue. Abaddon's blue was a GM's mistake. He should have gotten a Teva weapon tho.

[smitske]

those teva weapens are also event items, aleast they have color of event items

[Atmor]

Alright time for my two cents worth. I Believe strongly that no one owns any spot, and if someone comes in after you and wants some that you have not intentionally aggroed, then they have every right to them. The people that yell for them to stop taking mobs that they hadn't aggroed yet are harassing them, not the other way around. I can appreciate the high levels massive exp requirements and few places to train, but it gives them NO RIGHT to harass lower level players who want to train in the same place as them. If the higher levels don't like it, they can move, get less experiance somewhere else, or they can deal with it. I don't mean to offend anyone, but the high levels need to understand that they are not the only ones who want to level, and they are not the only ones that want specific spots.

[Serric]

Here is the long and short of it: No one owns a spot. Period. It doesn't matter if your party has been there for days grinding or just happened to be the first party there - that does not make it your spot. On the flip side, if your party comes to a hunting area and you see someone else already there, either ask to party or suck it up and move on to another spot - that is common courtesy. However, I have come to realize from actions in-game and several posts throughout the forums that "common" courtesy isn't all that common.

So, if you are in an area and feel you are being KSed, ask the other party to stop and leave. Get screenshots of this discussion including any following KSing. Whisper a GM and if one is on, report the other players for KSing, invite the GM to come see for him/herself. If a GM is not available, send a PM to them w/ screenshots via the forums (private message only - NOT a thread) and await a response.

DO NOT get into a verbal argument with the other party.
DO NOT train them
DO NOT try to KS your mobs back, as the other party will probably report you.

I wish I had a better answer for you but I don't, sorry.

Finally - KEEP THIS THREAD ON TOPIC. I have seen the topics waiver away from the subject even after repeated requests by the author to keep it on track. Stop this, please. This topic is to discuss ownership (or non) of hunting areas.

Thank you.

[togashi]

Here is the long and short of it: No one owns a spot. Period. It doesn't matter if your party has been there for days grinding or just happened to be the first party there - that does not make it your spot. On the flip side, if your party comes to a hunting area and you see someone else already there, either ask to party or suck it up and move on to another spot - that is common courtesy. However, I have come to realize from actions in-game and several posts throughout the forums that "common" courtesy isn't all that common.

So, if you are in an area and feel you are being KSed, ask the other party to stop and leave. Get screenshots of this discussion including any following KSing. Whisper a GM and if one is on, report the other players for KSing, invite the GM to come see for him/herself. If a GM is not available, send a PM to them w/ screenshots via the forums (private message only - NOT a thread) and await a response.

DO NOT get into a verbal argument with the other party.
DO NOT train them
DO NOT try to KS your mobs back, as the other party will probably report you.

I wish I had a better answer for you but I don't, sorry.

Finally - KEEP THIS THREAD ON TOPIC. I have seen the topics waiver away from the subject even after repeated requests by the author to keep it on track. Stop this, please. This topic is to discuss ownership (or non) of hunting areas.

Thank you.

First of all, I would say the issue is focusing more about the lack of spots rather than the argument between the players over a spot. What can 7x ppl do when 5-6x ppl come to ancient stonies to take parts of the spawn which was already not enough for those 7x.

1)Ask them to leave? This doesn't really work if you notice how badly those 5-6x want to grind there.
2)Suck it up? If this is one of the solution, why do ppl bother to open a thread or pm Gm for something that they aren't happy with? Having to suck it up is the reason why somebody felt to open this discussion.
3)Move to another spot? Sorry, there is no other spots for 7x to grind beside ancient stonies and this is another thing that led to this discussion.

[ChaosSeraph2]

I believe theres ALOT of contridiction with the rules and such.. Just my 2 cents.

[smitske]

arent there always?
as for the 70+, why not go CP2?

[Kaiza]

arent there always?
as for the 70+, why not go CP2?

Only 2 really spots there and its also full!

[smitske]

hehe i dont go cp often, bad place.

[Kaiza]

There are only 2 AS spots with BI and one of them got GK inside. Other palces are green or grey mobs only

[smitske]

woudlnt know, i dont like Cp to much, and like ive said, i stopped grinding xP
ive reached 60 and have no more goal

[Kaiza]

But people got competition and race to caps.