I'm quitting....And I encourage you to, too!

[RhapsodyAngel]

The more and more I play this game it becomes more and more obvious that the people who run this game don't have the interests of their patrons in mind. To clarify: This game is specifically geared towards sell.

What I mean is that every aspect to this game makes it seem like Outspark isn't here simply to provide us entertainment. It's a free game, which lures people in. "Hey, free MMORPG, that's awesome!" people are going to play. However the very low amount of experience rewarded per monster, the countless hours of grinding just to get a single level up, the overpowered monsters, their reluctance to balance the game, and of course the events favoring those who go about buying things from the Outspark Shop are all evidence of this. They simply want our money. I for one am one of those red meat-eating, gun-toting republicans; I couldn't care less about the fact that they want money, it puts the money in their pockets and they can use that money to buy what they want and stimulate the economy, etc. etc. so don't get me wrong when I say they want only money, that's a good thing that they want money, it provides jobs and allows people to have a life.

Now before I turn this into something political let me get to the point: This game is totally one-sided for the people who do buy their items from the Outspark shop. They level MUCH, MUCH faster, they have better equipment, more HP and MP, WEIGHTLESS POTIONS THAT HEAL MUCH MORE THAN 20 HP/MP, backpacks to carry more weight on them, etc. etc. while giving absalutally nothing to those of us who don't buy from their shop.

If you think about it, and perhaps I'm overanalyzing this, even the events that everybody can participate in, such as this Cupid event, are geared towards advertising their items in the Outspark shop. The reward for completing the Cupid quest, bringing in 20 Cupid's Arrows to receive a Silver Halo, is, like I just said, the Silver Halo...which expires. What kind of reward is it if it's just going to EXPIRE? +50 HP/MP is great, but if it expires, leaving you to miserably do the quest repeatedly to hold onto the very helpful item, which enhances your HP/MP(Which is greatly helpfull for the longer distance charecters, such as an Archer, Apprentice or Acolyte who seldom take damage and can spare the extra defense) the person who would usually be do the quest for the item would be driven to PURCHASING this item from the Outspark Shop instead of doing the quest over and over and over again.

On top of that there are absalutally no money-drops in Blackheart's Lair. You eventually, and inevitably, run out of Kron if you stay there for long. If you run out of money you're not going to be capable of buying potions, yet again driving you to buy the weightless potions from the Outpsark Shop.

In addition to this, they hold events specifically for people who have already bought from the Outspark Shop. "Red Scarf only!" and such other events are what I'm talking about. How few people are actually going to have the random item necessary to be able to participate in these events? Sadly enough people want to participate badly enough that they go off and buy the item before the event starts so that they can get the reward. On top of that the events themselves are ridiculously and pitifully pathetic. "Find Rider!" is a simple Hide-and-go-Seek! "Get to know your GM!" all you're doing is guessing the answers to a GM's personal life. What is this crap? Your events aren't even serious ones, and you're handing out items and requiring items to participate? The very least you can do is give us something fun if you're going to require an in-game collections and zeros and ones that has to be pruchased with real-life money for your patrons to participate.

Experience enhancers to cut the countless hours of grinding in half for those who spend their money. Weightless potions to convenience those who spend their money. Extra HP and MP to convenience those who spend their money. Advertising to those who refuse to spend their money, to make them want to spend their money. It seems every bit of 'charity', every event where they give us free items are meant specifically to get us, the so-called respected patrons, to buy their pixels. And everybody who does't buy their pixelated items are left in the dust of those who do.

With all this said I'm quitting Secret of the Solstice. As soon as I click that "Submit New Thread" button I'm going to delete the game, as well as Fiesta, from my computer. There is absalutally no point in playing a game run by a company that favors one group of people over the others. This thread isn't created because I don't have money, because I do. I just don't see the point in spending it on something fake while it can be spent on something worthwhile. I draw, I play guitar. Why spend $20+ on a collecton of zeros and ones when I can spend that on a nice set of pens and pencils, perhaps paint...Or I can spend it on some Fast-Fret for my guitar, guitar strings or picks? I for one would rather put my talents and hobbies before an in-game item that's just going to go away after a week. I'd suggest you do the same.

See ya', and goodbye forever.

[Nixxy]

Cash shop users pay for the priviledge, and as this is a Free to play game Outspark need to do their utmost to get people to pay for the premium stuff.

I dont really agree with much you said but you like putting forward an argument and thats good =)

Best of luck, Byes.

[yourmojo]

Well, I agree with the potions, it's really bad trying to keep your HP and MP up using potions. Not to mention they are very pricey for new players like myself. However, this is still open beta so thing could change.

If however, when beta is done, the potions still only heal 20 I think even people who spend money would start to get uneasy.

[Kage_Ninja]

even though i would never buy any cash shop items,and see people who joined the game at the same time go past me by 5 or more lvls while still im training.i still wont quit this game.even though its beta and people say its just an excuss to say were working on it,then i say this,TRY BEING IN THEIR SHOES,THEY HAVE TO ADD SEVERAL FEATURES IN THE GAME,LOOK AT THE BUGS AND GLITCHES,FIX THEM,LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS COMPLAINTS AND TRY TO BALANCE IT OUT.people think that managing a game is easy,well ITS NOT.ive been working on a game with a friend and we planned to get alpha testing before christmas,but we didnt,know why?we had to concentrate on our lives,we cant just give up our lives to deliever the demands that the players want for 24/7.people play this game to have fun,some only play this game just to talk to their friends who play this game.

to the people who buy cash shop,its really their choice on buying those items.sure i wont have a advantage when competing with them but i just ignore it.this is just a game,you really dont have spend most of your hours for grinding,i barely go on due to concentraiting on school.but being able to play a free mmorpg out of the many that are pay to play is good enough for me.

[El_Suave]

you talk as if this is the only mmorpg company that gives more to people who play to pay. Look at Jagex with Runescape. If you don't pay for membership, HALF the game is not available for you. You can only stay on one half of the world and only use rune as a max for armor and weapons. Plus not EVERY event requires that you have a sparkcash item. I strongly recommend for you to not play MMORPGS since they are all like this. If anything try playing some nice fps, rts, figthing, etc games.

[manic33]

I agree with Nixxie. People pay for premium items. Which means they should be way better then stuff in game... And it is possible to have stuff that heals more then 20 hp. You know those things people sell and you can get from mobs? FOOD.
Also, the events in which you need a cash shop item seems more like a "thank you for buying" sorta thing. Not like every single event has a item needed. It also could be to cut down on having tons and tons of people at events. I do buy cash shop things, but I can't go to all the events still. I don't buy evey item.

[Lost_Sage]

This somehow seems to fit in with Covent's rant, as you mentioned the same thing over again... so my prediction:
Overtime, people who starts to think like this might generally increase and eventually, there might be only half the population that pays for sparkcash and the other half would have probably moved on...
I, for one, is only playing this because im waiting for Starcraft 2 to come out, and im also waiting for my Wii which i will recieve in March. After that, i will most likely to say good bye also...

[Kendrah]

I love posts like this. ^_^ I find them strangly humerous.

[Jhanniss]

While I do not play SOS, the concerns mirror that of Fiesta in a sense in regards to its Cash Shop.

This is not to sound negative but maybe online gaming is not for you. I believe there are better things out there in the real life, away from the computer, to be spending your time on. Given the history of gaming, especially online gaming, this is a stepping stone towards something different from the original games (EverQuest, Ultima Online, etc).

I ask myself why people buy Hummers in real life when there is a gas crisis on hand? Do you know why? Because they can and it's what they want. Is it helpful to the environment and all that? No.

So why should I complain and tell them they should be buying a Toyota Prius instead because it is a more constructive use of their money. It's their money. If they want to get 10 miles to the gallon while riding in their Hummer, that's ultimately their choice? And guess what, life goes on.

Same thing with smoking, I don't smoke and yet I will not go around telling people it's hazardous to non-smokers' health unless it does in fact directly involve children or myself. Why? It's their choice.

And using your terms in your own words: How are a bunch of 1's and 0's damaging YOU? The answer is, they aren't. They could be doing something more constructive with their money like buying pens and pencils too. However they choose to spend their money on something destructive (smoking). This is human nature, the most basic of things in regards to it. We as humans indulge in what we enjoy and like, regardless of if it is harmful or not in the long run.

So forgive the longwinded response but the above examples are the equivalent mirroring to this concern of yours in regard to this game full of 1's and 0's. n.n;

[AtuinBlue]

i agree with alot of what is being said in this thread. both sides of the agrument i mean. i think the whole exp boosters thing is bogus crap, and i think they could have done alot better setting up the cash shop. there's much better ways to make money than the way they are doing it in this game.

make the items cheaper, make cash equips permenant or at least last longer, make cash equips overskin your normal equipment (equip both, changes the apearance of your avatar, but doesnt get rid of the stats from your normal armor. maybe adds to it instead)
all these changes together, i think they woudl make MORE money in the long run because alot more peopel would buy spark cash.

[IcyGrip]

this game is "free to play" meaning there's no membership. We have the privelidge (sp) that we get to have access to the entire game. If people choose to buy things with real money it's their choice and of course they would get more perks. if you want a game you don't have to pay to play, go to bunch of flash games you don't have to pay for.

EDIT: Removed a Link that apparently is against ToS

[unforgotten-one]

this game is "free to play" meaning there's no membership. We have the privelidge (sp) that we get to have access to the entire game. If people choose to buy things with real money it's their choice and of course they would get more perks. if you want a game you don't have to pay to play, go to address removed. bunch of flash games you don't have to pay for.

Bingo IcyGrip

This is "free to play" (basic mode)

Want more perks, special items, exp boosters (pay for it)

If you think that OutSpark is the only one doing this, then you'll be wrong. Some of the best MMORPGS out there use the same system.
Be glad you aint having to pay a monthly subscription to play.

[zues8844]

this game is "free to play" meaning there's no membership. We have the privelidge (sp) that we get to have access to the entire game. If people choose to buy things with real money it's their choice and of course they would get more perks. if you want a game you don't have to pay to play, go to Address Removed. bunch of flash games you don't have to pay for.

CLs are gonna erase the url you know. might as well erase it now before they do and possibly send you a warning.

[Kendrah]

Well, I think sparkcash is a lot better than pop up ads or banners in the game for "male enhancement" and "free credit scores". That's just my feeling. ^^

[zues8844]

The 1st one-------scary

[Lost_Sage]

-Add-on to my first comment:
Oh yeah, if you don't like this game, pls don't tell others about it and keep it to yourself. As much as i agree with you in some terms, i really don't like the idea of spreading a rumor that tends to lean aganist one side and leaves the other side bare.

-New post:
What Jhannis said was right. Who cares if Fireslinger does 500+dmg?* Who cares if Strider's equips looks cool?* It's just a GAME. Loosen up and if feel good about yourself, and don't COMPARE yourself with others. Everyone is good in their own ways...

*No offense to Strider and Fire, only an example*

Should have thought of my first comment before posting...-_-

[Greenavengerx]

I got an idea thatll stop all this chat about unfair and fair
There still gonna be more servers to come so...
Make one server for those who buy stuff
and another for ppl like me who just want to play normally
sure u might lose a few friends but u can always im him/her or email im sure it will work out^^.

[Zedia]

i agree with rhapsody's post but then again i don't.

for the longest time i was under the impression that outspark did favor those who could afford sparkcash. i had once used sparkcash but then my xp booster expired and i had major amounts of bills to pay and could no longer afford to spend an extra penny.

a few weeks after that (now) i became so frustrated with the fact that i couldn't lvl fast enough that i went and used my credit card to buy a bunch of cash shop items. bad move but life wouldn't be exciting without a $20 debt. lol. i think they do that on purpose. to make the xp so low that the player's frustration will encourage them to buy from the cash shop. (which is a little fracked up, but hey! business is business and business must grow regardless of players and problems and debt you know)

i was also pretty peeved that the halo you get from the cupid quest expires. the only reason i went out of my way to get one was because i thought it didn't. boy was i wrong. but in the long run i think the halo was worth it anyway. everybody could use 50 extra mp/hp even if it is only for a week.

for the longest time i felt that the events only targeted those who bought sparkcash items as well. but i never wanted to participate in an event bad enough to go out of my way to raid the cash shop 15 min before the event began. and besides, i deem the only "events" worthy of my participation is when brynhilld and essne fall under attack by alastor's army. woo-hooo major pwnge!

regardless of all that, outspark is still a business and businesses need money to stay afloat. we couldn't possibly dream of an mmorpg that was free and came with all the perks. that would be too good to be true. lol so i've come to see it from thier pov and realized that those who have the money for cash shop. woo-hoo, go you! thank you for supporting outspark and keeping this game free for all of us to play and enjoy. for those who can't afford it...well there are still the emmensely hard to come by lucky balls and you know, when you work your way to that 2nd, 3rd or 4th class change from hours of hard, dedicated work, go you!! victory should only taste that much sweeter. :D

[Fireslinger]

This thread really covered all the bases...

personally, I think that Jhanniss put it best, online gaming may not be for you... this it my first online RPG, but I understand that the game is still in BETA... and if you read the other threads, you would have seen this (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47629&page=2) (scroll down to Break's post). This post proves that despite the issues we have with the game, the GM's and Developers are still working hard to make it better. Nothing is ever perfect the first time around...

secondly, I do agree with some of the things you said about the cash shop... but, being someone who purchases from the cash shop in small increments (only enough to get my cat ears, goggles, and wings/backpack), i have refrain from making any comments about it, so as not risk looking hypocritical...

and thirdly (this will be the only negative thing I say in this post), you really need to stop forcing your opinion down the throats of other people in this community... i.e. the very name of this thread...

and you know, whatever happened to playing just for love of the game?

[Illusions]

ok... i do NOT intend on being rude at all, but the person who posted this is an idiot. better look again at republicans/democratics, before you try to choose a side fool based on dumb reasoning of they want money? nice attempt at trying to sound intelligent however... go play MS or Runescape and have fun, bye.. one less person like you in this game, which makes the population go up =) thanks

and besides, WOW your mad, im guessing because something happened in game to make you upset, get over it.

DO NOT ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO LEAVE, if thats your decision then leave and DO NOT LOOK BACK AT THE OTHERS WHO STILL ENJOY THE GAME.


to the others im sorry for my ranting, and getting upset at this idiot

[yourmojo]

and you know, whatever happened to playing just for love of the game?
Yep, we sure have come a long way since phantasy star =(

[Candycanes]

The guy who made this really does have a very valid point, so do the other reasonable responses to his.

the thing is...
if u dont like the game, dont play it.

it IS beta, which means its NOT done by far and theres still slot of work to be done still. this isnt the finished product obvi.

if u got the money, its ur choice to buy in-game items from the shops, and if the people who cant pay money id suggest u get over lvl 12 IRL and get a job and quit ur crying.

the ones who dont want to, but DO have the money, thats ur choice to not participate in the buying of kool items.

ive spent only about $60.00 so far on outspark, all on Fiesta. yeah i let my bought items expire from not playing for months, my choice. yeah i come back and buy stuff then stop playing like a week later, my choice.

Savvy on where im going with this?

[DBL_RE]

Hey Be Happy They Dont Start Charging Just To Play The Game

[IcyGrip]

Hey Be Happy They Dont Start Charging Just To Play The Game

Hence the "free to play" they never will charge to play this game. It's your choice to put any actual money towards it.

[XXXFactor]

*sigh*
I am not 1 to often complain, but I as a hardcore gamer, like to specificly compete with other players to c where I stand...... enuff said, its kinda hard to compete while getting .02-.04 per monster, when some1 else just throws 20$ in cash shop a day and pops 1% per kill, heh like evry1 said its there choice, but alot of ppl have left, bcuz of this system >.>
Yes, more ppl will play and the game will continue to be here whether ppl decide to play it or not, but if u can't at least keep up with ur friends in the lvling process.... u start to c the numbers decrease. Altho I have noticed that the game is becoming a slight bit more party neccesary, but I dont like the whole pay "pay 20$ and u may get 200% today", but thats just my opinion =/

[Valanduil]

Hm..


TRY BEING IN THEIR SHOES,THEY HAVE TO ADD SEVERAL FEATURES IN THE GAME,LOOK AT THE BUGS AND GLITCHES,FIX THEM,LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS COMPLAINTS AND TRY TO BALANCE IT OUT.people think that managing a game is easy,well ITS NOT.ive been working on a game with a friend and we planned to get alpha testing before christmas,but we didnt,know why?we had to concentrate on our lives,we cant just give up our lives to deliever the demands that the players want for 24/7.

Ofc managing a game is not easy,nobody has to be a Developer,or needs IQ 180
to understand that,but..

By playing more and more Games you are getting more experienced (as in everything else in life),you are learning the difference of what has quality,what needs work,and what doesnt worth the trouble..

But can a Game that i will adore and play for months/years, be just trash for somebody else?

Yes..

Im 31,my first Games was in ATARI 2600,then i moved to SneS,from that to AMIGA 500 and CD32 (the first Cd console),from PC 486 to todays PC Dual Core,and at the same time from N64/Ps1 to Ps3..

Games are changing,but my knowledge through Gaming is that Graphics,Music, and related doesnt make a Game great..

The story and most of all,Gameplay makes it worth of playing and remember through the years..
I have played such jewels in 80-90s that todays average kids/gamers cant even imagine,but still..
With the first bling of an eye,they could easily "trash" it just because the graphics,music, etc etc is prehistoric..

Now does SotS has qood Gameplay?
Thats the real question imho..

Anyway,my point Kage_Ninja is that you and your friend,are not professionals..
OutSpark Developers are (or should be),the make money from it..


you talk as if this is the only mmorpg company that gives more to people who play to pay. Look at Jagex with Runescape. If you don't pay for membership, HALF the game is not available for you. You can only stay on one half of the world and only use rune as a max for armor and weapons. Plus not EVERY event requires that you have a sparkcash item. I strongly recommend for you to not play MMORPGS since they are all like this. If anything try playing some nice fps, rts, figthing, etc games.

No,the are not all like this..

EvE Online is not like this..
World of Warcraft is not like this..
StarWars Galaxies is not like this..
Dark Ages of Camelot is not like this...
I can say alot more,but i have played only the above (and the 3/4 of those extremely Hardcore),do you want me to continue?

Yes i understand Free to Play Mmos needs to sell items to stay alive,
i dont have a problem with that,but by telling ppl that all mmo are like this..
You are a loooooooooong way from reality my friend..


Bingo IcyGrip

This is "free to play" (basic mode)

Want more perks, special items, exp boosters (pay for it)

If you think that OutSpark is the only one doing this, then you'll be wrong. Some of the best MMORPGS out there use the same system.
Be glad you aint having to pay a monthly subscription to play.

Tell me 1,not 2 or 3..
Tell me 1 which i can easily say worth the "One Of The Best MMORPGS" tag..
Hm?


-Add-on to my first comment:
Oh yeah, if you don't like this game, pls don't tell others about it and keep it to yourself. As much as i agree with you in some terms, i really don't like the idea of spreading a rumor that tends to lean aganist one side and leaves the other side bare.

This Forum dear,is for two reasons..

1)Developers to understand what Costumers want/like/dislike about this Game..

2)For the Costumers to Chat about the Game and Off-Topic subjects..


So i guess he can do (if he follows the rules of this Forum) whatever he likes..
So get a beer Conan and chill out..


And for the last,let me express my little opinion about SotS and why im playing it..
Im playing SotS cuz its free,its anime-like Fantasy mmo,and because i dont have anything better to play online atm..
Im waiting for Age of Conan and Warhammer,so i said what the hell,
lets find a free Mmo until those come in handy..And here i am..

As i said above i dont have a problem with Free mmo that Devs sells Items,
its the survival nature of this kind of Games..
But,the Game has more issues than rpg's had back in 90's..

1)trash exp rewards in high lvl players when killing high lvl mobs,

2)Incomplete interface that even single rpg in snes could laugh about

(where is the Class/LvL/Hp/Mp when i target a player?) (where is the World Map) (where is the Combat log?) (where is the global ability to chat?) (where is my complete Class Tree and skills window in UI?)

3)Idiotic Events (like this Game has everything,and we need events?) with no background story and not realy good unique rewards,lets not mention that events in mmos should be for everyone,not just for those (or give advantage) who pay for.. have you ever seen events like that in Lineage or GuildWars?Which you should already know,its free mmos (for GuildWars you pay once,and never again)..

4)No potions in Game (drop,crafting,Npc Stores) for high lvl players...
To sell in "Outspark Store" even HP,MP potions is the most ridiculous idea i have ever heard before,and you show to your costumers that you dont care about Gaming,but just money..

5)You dont even have a qlue about Aggro managment on Mobs in your Maps..

A creature from the one corner of my screen,could easily come to the other one and aggro me,tho i didnt even moved..

6)Lag..

Can you explain to me how i could play World of warcraft with 40 ppl and a boss in my screen,with nukes/heals from every angle and never Lag,
while in a tiny Map (low graphics and animation ) of SotS with me and 2-3 mobs in my screen i get Lag/killed before i can even drink a single potion?

And guess what,im not the unique person with this problem..

7)Story..

SotS has a story background??
LoL where?


In the end,i dont give a damn,im here just for short time..
But plz,dont tell me that this is mmorpg..
It needs aloooot of work to become one..


Ps:Sorry if my english are not the best you could read..
I hope you got the point ;p

Ps1:

http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1piJHWgG-Al5LzY9Fv7pslRlE8INMmZAEvwrAvBc5hh_h8--AHs8t_huR3EgOHf3oAk8sVEghM7Mg

[Jpg1491]

Obviously this game is for profit.
The only way to decently level up is by buying a multiplier.
I'm going to quit as well.


I'm going to start my own mmorpg unlike this one.
Probably based off ninjas.

It won't look 3d, probably 2d like an snes game...but meh, I got the supplies to start.

Btw- It's also the fact that items expire.

[El_Suave]

No,the are not all like this..

EvE Online is not like this..
World of Warcraft is not like this..
StarWars Galaxies is not like this..
Dark Ages of Camelot is not like this...
I can say alot more,but i have played only the above (and the 3/4 of those extremely Hardcore),do you want me to continue?

Yes i understand Free to Play Mmos needs to sell items to stay alive,
i dont have a problem with that,but by telling ppl that all mmo are like this..
You are a loooooooooong way from reality my friend..

You're right, but it's funny because your list consists of games that you HAVE to PAY just to PLAY. Which is why they do not have money bought items because you are already paying money just to have access to the game.



7)Story..

SotS has a story background??
LoL where?


In the end,i dont give a damn,im here just for short time..
But plz,dont tell me that this is mmorpg..
It needs aloooot of work to become one..


There is a background story, it involves Princess Adeline and her jealous sister Marian. Chaos starts in the Land of Xen ever since Adeline inherited the throne.

And this game does need a lot of work, which is why its BARELY 3 MONTHS OLD.

And you also compare WoW to this game.....how can you compare Blizzard to Outspark?

[Shahared]

Ok, not to add to the drama, but let me remind everyone that the game is free. The extent to which you play it, and how much you enjoy it is entirely up to you. Encouraging others to leave because you think that the cons of playing the game outweigh the pros makes it seem like you have an axe to grind because you are mad at Outspark. Why be mad at them at all? All they have done is provide you with something free, you can enjoy it or not, but in the end you are not forced to play or pay for anything. Yes, there are many games that have every player on an even playing field...those games all require a monthly subscription. The games that don't require a monthly subscription all have some sort of cash shop or advertising scheme at the very least. Can you still play the game without paying for anything? The answer is yes. Can you enjoy the game without paying for anything, well that question is subjective based on the player of the game. But in the end, the question is not about how good the game is, how much it costs, or how fun it is. The question is "do you enjoy playing the game". If not then maybe you should move on to better things. But trying to entice others to leave based on your feelings about the game has no purpose based on those grounds other then to levy some sort of debt you feel the makers of a free game owe you. I would postulate that someone who offers you something for free that you chose to dislike do not owe you anything, but all of this is strictly my opinion. As far as comparing a free game, any free game, to a pay to play subscription game that was not only developed by a multi-billion dollar company, but originally charged a purchase fee of nearly 60 dollars per game sold to play seems entirely unfounded. Outspark had to borrow money just to put these games online, they needed to offer them free of charge, and needed to do extensive testing that is still ongoing. They did not have the luxury of paying hired test groups, taking years to develop the game, launching thousand dollar ad campaigns or owning a name brand trusted by millions of game players around the world. It's like comparing apples to oranges in my opinion.

That said you are all free to discuss this and have your own opinions. I just wanted to express how I felt about the subject. As I like to say, to each their own. But please steer clear of posting third party links, and no flaming please :D Lets keep these kinds of discussions safe for all those involved. Thanks for your cooperation in advance.
Shahared

*edit* I'd like to also add that Outspark are not the developers of these games, they are in fact licensees. The developers are in Korea I believe, where the Korean version of this game is quite popular. As such Outspark is far less involved in the changes and making of the game, and therefore must wait for their requests to be fulfilled by the Korean developers on a case by case basis. I hope that clears up a few questions those of you may have had.

[Kage_Ninja]

Hm..



Ofc managing a game is not easy,nobody has to be a Developer,or needs IQ 180
to understand that,but..

By playing more and more Games you are getting more experienced (as in everything else in life),you are learning the difference of what has quality,what needs work,and what doesnt worth the trouble..

But can a Game that i will adore and play for months/years, be just trash for somebody else?

Yes..

Im 31,my first Games was in ATARI 2600,then i moved to SneS,from that to AMIGA 500 and CD32 (the first Cd console),from PC 486 to todays PC Dual Core,and at the same time from N64/Ps1 to Ps3..

Games are changing,but my knowledge through Gaming is that Graphics,Music, and related doesnt make a Game great..

The story and most of all,Gameplay makes it worth of playing and remember through the years..
I have played such jewels in 80-90s that todays average kids/gamers cant even imagine,but still..
With the first bling of an eye,they could easily "trash" it just because the graphics,music, etc etc is prehistoric..

Now does SotS has qood Gameplay?
Thats the real question imho..

Anyway,my point Kage_Ninja is that you and your friend,are not professionals..
OutSpark Developers are (or should be),the make money from it..


im not complaing im just showing people that sometimes game developers cant keep up up with all of the demands at a time.as most people know,the outspark staff in charge of sosltice work in California(were i live)so that means most of outspark's solstice is asleep when players from the other side of the world wake up.as for me i actually want to be a game programer,heck i might even apply to outspark when i have the experince and or if they're hiring.so being able to assit a game in its beta testing and seeing how the game works and develops is actually helping me understand how this game engine work and will help me with my future job.i may be in 10th grade but the earlier i learn things,the easier it is to understand the basics of game designing.

[Valanduil]

You're right, but it's funny because your list consists of games that you HAVE to PAY just to PLAY. Which is why they do not have money bought items because you are already paying money just to have access to the game.

Why not?You dont need to buy items to survive in SotS?
and we are talking about items that you need most so you can LvL high-end Classes (which they will be worthless since the expire/consumed)..


Didnt the money you pay for SotS (expired/consumed items) came up from the same pocket you will pay monthly for wow/swg/eve/Daoc?

I also said about Games that you can play without paying just to exp

Like GuildWars and Lineage..




There is a background story, it involves Princess Adeline and her jealous sister Marian. Chaos starts in the Land of Xen ever since Adeline inherited the throne.

M8 if you are happy with this story,and you see this story continues through the quests and events..
What can i say..



And you also compare WoW to this game.....how can you compare Blizzard to Outspark?

I didnt compare WoW with SotS,
Not even close..

I said twice about it,first that you dont pay to have potions items etc etc
or to LvL with your character,and about Lag issues...



Ps:But if you want to give you an example of Gameplay and compare,ok..

Do you know Worms (the first one)?
Did you know that a college student created it?
Now tell me,how can a student back then created such a great Game,and Outspark in 2008 gave as SotS with all the problems i said above? ;o

[catry]

2)Incomplete interface that even single rpg in snes could laugh about



umm not to be mean but... the fact that you're making this complaint about a game that's still in beta (hence incomplete) kinda makes your entire argument seem kinda ignorant and a bit uneducated... oO

[Juchiha]

ignorant is uneducated!!!!:rolleyes:i cant belive that you don't know ahhhh

[Valanduil]

umm not to be mean but... the fact that you're making this complaint about a game that's still in beta (hence incomplete) kinda makes your entire argument seem kinda ignorant and a bit uneducated... oO

If i am ignorant,what are the ppl who pay with real money (just to lvl up) in a game that is still in beta? :)

Btw,


The developers are in Korea I believe, where the Korean version of this game is quite popular.

And still in beta..
Nice.. :)

Ps: I realy wanna see the full version of the game!~

Anyway guys (and girls) i hope every problem i said will change..
I realy do,cuz you dont find manny anime-like Fantasy mmo out there..

[catry]

ignorant is uneducated!!!!:rolleyes:i cant belive that you don't know ahhhh

well, someone could be educated and ignorant, or not ignorant but uneducated...


If i am ignorant,what are the ppl who pay with real money (just to lvl up) in a game that is still in beta? :)

That's their choice. I don't see how that affects you or why you're flaming people about what they do with their money... it seems to me like all you want to do is pick a fight and if that's the case then I don't think a social forum and MMORPG, which is supposed to be a place for a civilized community to interact, is the right place for you...

[Juchiha]

you have to get to got damn earth man no hes dead nooooo!!!!!!!!

sorry for the inconvinience it O-K to express you feelings and im a gamer i dont need a life i have lots of lifes so you cant make a comeback muhahahahah and i got this from a siggy


well, someone could be educated and ignorant, or not ignorant but uneducated...
what but bieng ignorant is uneducated so you just flp floped that so you just said what i did basicly

[Juchiha]

and if you ar educated and ignorant you are using it wrong your thinking of obnoxious

[catry]

what but bieng ignorant is uneducated so you just flp floped that so you just said what i did basicly

...do you even have a clue what you're saying? Or for that matter what you're trying to argue? Because I am really confused now... oO

[Valanduil]

That's their choice. I don't see how that affects you or why you're flaming people about what they do with their money... it seems to me like all you want to do is pick a fight and if that's the case then I don't think a social forum and MMORPG, which is supposed to be a place for a civilized community to interact, is the right place for you...

Did you read my 1 post?
Where did i write or flame about the ppl who spend money for items?
Where did i write that i have a problem about Outspark sell in generaly items?

I said outspark doesnt care about Gaming and Gameplay from what i see and played atm..

Better read again my first post why..

If i dont complain (since this is beta) how would they know what i want from them to change in the Game and why???

Omg...


And btw,from the status of the Game,this is not beta..
We could easily (ironical) call it Alfa..

[catry]

Why exactly are you insisting on being hostile towards everyone? I've been trying to be civil and respectful towards you, and you are nothing but argumentative and over-dramatic.

In fact, this entire thread is like that...why does everyone feel the need to go on and on arguing about the same feel bugs and problems (many of which we've already been told are going to be fixed!) when it'd be so much easier (and I bet it'd make this game more enjoyable!) to just enjoy it as it is, give *constructive* suggestions (not dumb arguments!) and instead of arguing and trying to convince everyone else that your opinion is the only right one, how about we ALL try to be a little more civil and accepting? :( This is supposed to be a friendly community after all...

[Valanduil]

Doh..
I know my english most of the times sux,
but i didnt expect that much..
You probably misunderstood me..
Anyway if you think my posts was hostile and aggresive upon you..
Forgive me.. ;s

[JackOfTrades]

eh.. i kind of havent played in about 1 1/2 months >.< i might just wait for the full game to come out.. since i don't have time to grind.

[bobalitos]

here's what i think

i dont think we can blame the "selling" idea because if they dont make money.. how are they supposed to make money??
i imagine maintaining this game takes lots of effort and without getting paid these ppl have to either have other jobs unless they won the lotto or do something that they can live off of -Sugarmama maybe? =P

anyways those who buy i very much thank u guys for (indirectly) letting me play this game. and for those who dont buy, like me, we get what we pay for- which is nothing so why complain that we have disadvantage?

of course we will. so what?

"oh no these guys are lvling faster than me.." ok, that just means they are playing more, paying for boost, or just killing better monsters.?
LVLS are nothing but NUMBERS. (still though i wish i can get to 66 real fast)


well i just got distracted and lost my train of thought so ill stop my babbling now.

[thrakx]

Rim, you quit this game in beta cause you are fed up with a business trying to make money, we all are. It seems you must not value your community very much. This said we are for sure better off without you. Go do something else that makes you happy. We will still be here having fun. We dont need you. Good luck with your stuff. hope you can be happy somewhere. Your attitude is counter productive. While you have some good points, you are letting the crap get to you. Do you even realize what OPEN BETA is?
Its a test An OPEN BETA TEST of the game and all its aspects. Of course there are tons of things wrong, but if you give up so easily, without even getting to 50+ lvl, before they release, then they will never address your problem, cause you are impatient, unreal, and ask too much in too little time. Get over your probs and realize we all have the same. Wait for them to fix stuff, they cant fix all at once. If you can't do that we don't need you here trying to bring us down.
Have fun for the cashless part like most of use others. Stop dwelling on BS. No one cares.

[Polexia]

I dunno if the person who created this thread has ever played another mmorpg (was it spelled like that lol?)

this is the second I try... (tried MapleStory in the gap betwen closed and open beta).


and from what i've seen on websites, and details for registration on other games... this one is pretty fair...

ok, yeah, so I tried the ****tiest game out there (maple), so I don't have that a good comparison parameter... but that game, for instance, is unplayable if you don't use real money. and like others said, so are other games if you don't buy stuff from their shops.

SOS.. you can totally play the game, and lvl, and be happy, without spending one single cent. you prolly get frustrated cause you can't deal with temptation =P but that's beside the point.

I know... at least one person... who is very high, and hasn't used a SINGLE xp book. and the funny thing is, even ppl who do use xp books can't outlvl this person.

so.. I dunno... guess that's all I can think of sayin for now.

[Lovesnuffles]

If you wanna quit, go ahead and do so. I honestly don't think anyone cares if you do. But if you do, do not try to bring the rest of us down with you.

Yeah, no one likes the prices of the cash shop, and no one likes the fact that the cash shop makes things WORLDS easier for everyone who CAN use it, and yeah, we complain about it, but we don't let it bother us to quitting. Personally, I feel as if I've accomplished soooo much more than my friends who have used the cash shop.

I level on my own, without the help of premium items. They don't. They need the items to level. They're a higher level than me, yes, but I'm not that much farther behind them, and I have five characters to take care of ((Even though I only take care of two, really)).

My point is, if you want to leave, please do so quietly. The rest of us enjoy the game and want to stay, so don't bring us down with you because it won't work.

[hanako808]

i agree w/ lovesnuffles...n d rest....bcaus w/o money outspark couldnt hv dis game up n running...jst to let u kno...dat jst becaus ur quiting d game dsnt mean u hv to tel us to quit too...

[Yisa4ever]

*claps claps*

well said Pol! I think I know who ur talking about! *gasp*

still in open beta... just enjoy the community and have fun. No one is forcing you to buy anything if you don't want to.

Don't worry....be happy ^^

[TKhaos]

I think its funny how he thinks players willing to pay for a privilege shouldn't get it, even though they are spending real money on it. I mean, if that were the case, wheres the incentive to pay for the non-existent privilege? If I give them my hard-earned money, i damn well better get a little perk for doing so. I use exp boosters to make up for my laziness in-game, when I play, its normally to talk to friends, with the occasional grind in between, and with the time always running on the booster, it makes me feel like I have to grind faster. I wouldn't donate the money, but I will pay for nice extra stuff.

[BattleAngelAlita]

Well the creator of this Thread is pretty much right about outspark.
Nontheless I wont quit playing it.
I've posted it in another Thread already, Outspark is greedy...
Much more than its Japanese counterpart, which developed and run the game originally called "Xenopic".
THe Prize for their shop items is like one fith or less compared to outsparks.
Maybe thats because they have a lot of more players and stuff... maybe japanese servers are cheaper to run.???

Plus I wonder about all that beta stuff... how long is it running anyway. It's still open beta as far as I know. The japanese game has been full released a while ago, all they need to do is translating.
I've seen communities translating japanese games in almost no-time. Games pobably much bigger then this one.

And... oh yes, they changed the Interface a little XD
AND the US version of Xenopic doesn't have the nice in game shopping interface.(for the items shop)

I really cannot tell but looking at all this ppl running around with a hell of shop items,
(Fully equipped in angels costume, wings, sunglasses, scarf'n'bull**** etc etc and saying: " I cannot wait, got enhancer on.")I think outspark get more money per player than Blizzard with world of warcraft XD

[Storm_Shepherd]

I really cannot tell but looking at all this ppl running around with a hell of shop items,
(Fully equipped in angels costume, wings, sunglasses, scarf'n'bull**** etc etc and saying: " I cannot wait, got enhancer on.")I think outspark get more money per player than Blizzard with world of warcraft XD

If your going on by average then your wrong. There are people that buy cash shop items but theres an equal or higher amount of players that dont buy cash shop. Blizzard gets 20$ a person, monthly not metioning the the expansion packs. I've played a few other mmorpgs and this one is pretty balenced, for example Runescape you have to pay to get the fun stuff or Maple where you need to buy things to play. The point is they need the money, sure I dont like the exp boosters but still they pay for what they get.

[IcyGrip]

I can't believe this thread is still going...

[Zedia]

well it did tick alot of ppl off...^^;;

[element10]

omg u ppl talk to much urrrrrggg reading

[zues8844]

If your going on by average then your wrong. There are people that buy cash shop items but theres an equal or higher amount of players that dont buy cash shop. Blizzard gets 20$ a person, monthly not metioning the the expansion packs. I've played a few other mmorpgs and this one is pretty balenced, for example Runescape you have to pay to get the fun stuff or Maple where you need to buy things to play. The point is they need the money, sure I dont like the exp boosters but still they pay for what they get.

That is the most awesome thing I have ever heard -.-

[Kindred]

20$ a month = WoW :no item store
0$ a month = Outspark: item store

Customize your character = buy costumes

Didn't you se break's post, they are fixing game balance to make the game easier. Doesn't that prove they care about non-paying customers?

If Break lowers the prices on the EXP boost card wil leveryoen ranting here actually buy?

[GarbageBin]

I like this game and this person does have a good point but im play any way doubt ill get any spark cash ever but it dont matter u still can play for free and enjoy ur self at least i do :rolleyes:

[Chinalicious]

dude. they're korean.

[BattleAngelAlita]

Oh ok... then tell me ppl... whats wrong with Guildwars???
Sure it's got a lot of expansion packs and stuff you CAN buy, but its F2P afterall.

And cut that talk about the balancing... they won't EVER balance the game in that way you can lvl ANY faster than now.(Without cash Items)

And still noone got an argument against the Prices in Japan... Buying a 100% exp booster 24h here for 12 $ or an 250% exp booster 24h for 3$ in Xenopic. Whats wrong here?
Oustpark is either dumb or greedy... or both, coz if the Items were cheaper, much more ppl would buy them. pixels cost them NOTHING. But it seems they prefer less ppl buying less stuff and paying more money instead of more ppl buying more stuff for less money.
But buoth ideas seem equal.