Archers are worthless

[dragonswordmaster]

I bet the first question you ask is... why the Archers are worthless? That is because they are weaker than the mage both in pvp and pve (e is for enviroment). why? you ask. Because the mages have taken over the archer's role!!! here is 2 examples on why



1st example. pve


ok we all know the fastest way to lvl is by doing aoe partys right? so if A party have 1 fighter 1 cleric and 2 mages and B partys have 1 same as the A but replace the mages with archers. now i will show what usualy a party does when aoe grinding

party A

fighter aoe mock mobs
mobs charge at the figther
cleric heals the fighter when the mobs reach him
mages will now do his aoes like nova frost inferno and magic burst but, with chain casting mages can cancel the cooldown time of a skill and the mage infernos again. THATS 4 AOES IN A ROW with 2 mages it becomes 8. OMFG never seen a group of mobs die so fast.

ok thats group A sorted now group B


fight and clerics to the same as party A
now the archers aoe with multshot 30 seconds cooldown....
poison bleed and diease 1 mob wow.....
the rest mobs have still lots of hp left with another archer it will only have 1 more aoe and 1 more mob have dots(we will come to that next)


last thing dots(damage over time)

before the lvl cap the archers were the only ones who had dots now mages have AWESOME dots which are far more super than archers 400+ dmg per 3 sec for 12 secs WTH??? thats over 1000 damage in merely 12 seonds OMG :0

next post will be about pvp

[dragonswordmaster]

pvp(player vs player)

all the examples are made does not include stones and buffs. because that way the fight might last forever

why the mages are far better at pvp?? thats because they have much more better pvp skills

ok 1st example mage vs archer


I have edited this to show mages are SUPRIOR IN NO STONE AND POTS PVPS

mage sp burns
archer no sp :( does very little damage with normal attack
mage fears
archer runs mage blast spells down at archer
when the fear is worn off attack attacks back
mage chain cast and fears again
archer runs again and by this time archer should have little hp
mage finished off archer

oh and with stones as well
mage sp burns
archer use a sp stone
mage chain cast and sp burns again
archer can't use sp stone cos it is cooling
mage use spells unitl arcehr uses sp stone
then mage fears
archer runs
mage spells spells spells
fear wores off archer trying his best to skill spam with the long casting time and the really long cooldowns
now sp burn should have cooleddown and mage should finish off the archer by now

also mages are also extremely powerfull im GW with all its aoes and abilites like fear and sp burn

[capron]

Archers aren't looked at for partying after 60+ and that is all they really need to work on.

Archers are good in PvP. They have high evasion. The enchanter skills such as nova won't help them much since an archer is ranged. An archer does a comparible damage to a mage as a mage does to an archer. Archers will land more hits to mages, which equals dead mages.

There are different situations where mages will kill archers and archers will kill mages. In my opinion, the archer will likely defeat a mage. I have experienced watching dead mages to the hands of archers.

[dragonswordmaster]

Archers aren't looked at for partying after 60+ and that is all they really need to work on.

Archers are good in PvP. They have high evasion. The enchanter skills such as nova won't help them much since an archer is ranged. An archer does a comparible damage to a mage as a mage does to an archer. Archers will land more hits to mages, which equals dead mages.

There are different situations where mages will kill archers and archers will kill mages. In my opinion, the archer will likely defeat a mage. I have experienced watching dead mages to the hands of archers.


haha foolish mortal
mages can use fear to make the archer run like a mad man while the mage spams spells at the archer also mages have more distance than archers( i wodner why they call the archer "ranged specialists on the character info when mages have more distance rofl)

[capron]

Archers attack with their DPS, they get feared for a bit, evade some attacks and the mages HP is low and so the archer shoots one arrow killing the mage out of it's agony.:p

I'm not foolish.^_^

In different situautions, one can beat the other as I stated earlier.

[dragonswordmaster]

Archers attack with their DPS, they get feared for a bit, evade some attacks and the mages HP is low and so the archer shoots one arrow killing the mage out of it's agony.:p

I'm not foolish.^_^

In different situautions, one can beat the other as I stated earlier.

cleric knows nothing about an arcehr the evasion does not do anything at all and the damage is minimal compared to mages

[capron]

I have seen it and archers can beat mages. My signature is the player I play the most, so don't assume I don't have an archer.:) Mages have very weak defences and archers have strong strength. Their DPS can lower their HP greatly due to low HP.

Evasion is very useful against player versus player, just not much in grinding.

[dragonswordmaster]

I have seen it and archers can beat mages. My signature is the player I play the most, so don't assume I don't have an archer.:) Mages have very weak defence and archers have strong strength. Their DPS can lower their HP greatly due to low HP.

archers cannot beat mages their damage is minmal compared to mages and archers only have about 200 hp more than the mages but mages can do 100 more dmg per hit more than archers

[capron]

Archers DPS greatly lower their HP and a crossbow wielding archer, power shotting a mage will do massive damage on a mage. Also, archers have evasion for their advantage.

**EDIT**: Archers are second best when it comes to PvP. With out stones, an archer greatly does more damage to a fighter and cleric. Mages are fragile and will be easily killed.

[HateUchiha]

erm Dragon dude, is it ok if i call u Baka? xD jk

yes the everything u said about Partying is 99.9% true but, pvp we own.

mages DoT will only attack u if u dont move, but dont kite mages, they will use ice bolt and demolish u >.<. yes like mega said we have good evasion so they will miss quite a few attacks, so mages arent 100% on landing dmg.

other then that ur thread is pretty much like the others =3

[AngelsFist]

Out of 3 tries, I've won against a fairly leveled mage twice.

Indeed they cast fear, but that doesnt mean you can use a stone/pot in between during the running, and after fear; whats next?

They'd be eating crits+DoTs, timed correctly when the DoT deals its dmg, you shoot a power/aimed shot and that's a great deal of damage enough to send a mage stone spamming, wait till the DoT's reduce HP again then sneak another shot and they're dead.

You're missing another point in gears; as long as the other has better stat'd gears than the other, there will always be an advantage.

And I rarely see mages use Inferno/Nova in PvP against archers..for obvious reasons.

My archer has already pvp'd against alot of mages, and they can vouch for it.

[Escobar390]

You guys should not waste your time responding to this thread. This guy clearly does not know what he is talking about and just wants you to respond to what he is saying so just let it die here.

[Lycoli]

I thought all archer agreed to this policy.

We are suffering from a problem, but we aren't worthless. Just at a disadvantage.

Your points are true, but also true Mage > Archer and Archer > Mage.
Most of the time it's based on players skills not the job skills.
But in a even leveled match (really rare) I still say mages have an upper hand.

[Vincentx]

idiot, you have no idea what you're saying.
stupid kids like you that make a class look bad

[Kit_Ryuu]

i prefer to avoid fights with mages but like in a guild war i'll take the mages and anything else and take their debuffed butts back to my big bros

[voron]

Yep, archers suck.

[Gravvi]

dude ur an idiot. Fear doesn't make ur run toward them it makes u run away and if u run in the opposite direction omg look ur alive. I am lvl 57 and for the most part can kill mages up to lvl 65.
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i agree with you egolas apparenlty he hasn't played an archer past lvl 51

[whitecrowe]

Yay, not only did a mage make a thread bashing archers but he's advertising it as well.
It might be because there's absolutely nothing to look forward to, but I'm in no rush to cap or even hit lvl60 by the end of the summer. That being said, I'm not rushing around hoping and dreaming to get into AoE parties someday. And untill they get nova I'll be a better choice over a mage anyway, so I figure that I can AoE for a while anyway.
Since there's nothing to look forward to I'm perfectly happy buying an evade scroll and soloing yellows for an hour or so while talking to friends and guildmates. There's no chance of death, I get all the drops, and there's the occasional GGK group looking for more members. Meh, I trade all the exp for having a good time and actually adventuring rather than standing in one spot forever.

Mages out AoE us but it's better for them since they have something to look forward to. With us so unloved and rewardless why bother complain about leveling slower? I guess our lack of reward makes us inferior..

PvP is another story, the only way to kill me is to outlast me. An evasion scroll already lowers mages threat by 39% since no hits means no damage and cool time for them. Now if you want to meet my friendly little speed scroll you have no chance to survive my damage unless you stone and slow is another skill you'd need to hit me with. Magic damage that actually hits me is no problem, my Mdef is just as high as my normal def and so mages are as scary as yellows.

So I guess archers are infer.. Nope, good luck to the poor mages.

[gofiguregurl]

How....Strange... I just started an archer and my guild is helping me level her, Even when she hits 60+ they still are gunna have me in pts O.o.... i also have a 42 Mage.. and she gets ptd less than i do on an archer O.o... Hmm maybe its just cause of the certain friends i have that i grind with....

[Shounen]

pvp(player vs player)

all the examples are made does not include stones and buffs. because that way the fight might last forever

why the mages are far better at pvp?? thats because they have much more better pvp skills

ok 1st example mage vs archer

mage does magic blast
archer uses attack speed buff. rofl 0.9 sec attack rate for bow......
mage does fear
archer runs like a headless chicken in elderine
mage manages to squzee 2 more spells while fear takes effect and does chain casting
archer uses his dots
mage uses fireball
archer on very little hp panics and tries to skill spam!!!!( can we really skill spam with the casting time and the lon cooldowns??)
mages does 1 more spell and archer is lying on the cold, hard floor with hiss eye closed.
mage shouts: Archer sux

????!!! I've heard of archers complaining about AOE, but this is CRAZY!! An archer' dot does MEGA DAMAGE on mages alone. Also, an archer has high mdef but a mage has the lowest def. Archers also have the longest range and the MOST EVASION!!! I hate the strength of archers so much on my mage!! Also, fear is a 12 metre casting range, 12metres!!!!! So once a mage uses fear, he'll have to run with the archer in order to attack him, then an archer wipes the mage out with his dots and uses his power shot + aim shot and kills all mages!!

[Suzuru]

dragonswordmaster just can't admit that archers rule ;3
Archer critical damage is amazing ._. and we can always use stones and potions at the same time you know =.=

Also, if most skills are empowered it would be very easy for the archer.

[monkeypoohead17]

simple.

archer>mage

[Lycoli]

You can't use personal experiences as a comparision. It doesn't work like that.

A Mage could be distracted in town, or just ended a fight with someone else so they have things on cool down.

A Mage could have all +9 armor for all you know.

The archer could have just return to town at 1/2 health.

The Archer could have Tier 4 mdef.

People don't know these things, so stop comparing things based on personal event.

In some cases
Archer > Mage

other

Mage > Archer

okay?
If the battle drags out for 20 sec or more than DoT will probably kill the mage.
But if the mages does it's job like it should. It can burst damage and kill the archer in less than 6 sec. 6 of DoT does basically no damage.

[Escobar390]

Why is this even being argued again. Omg man its like an endless cycle. Fine I will add my bit. I don't think any of you here have more experience than me in this game so I believe what i have to say carries a lot of weight so listen up. Mages are more affective than archers in AoE parties period.
In a 60+ party Nova does more damage in 12 secs than our AoE poison does in 20 sec. In short more damage to a group of mobs in a faster space of time. I think Nova does something like 60% more damage than the poison in 12secs. So yes its more affective.
I think in a 50+ party mage and archer are fairly close in there effectiveness but if there is any difference it isn't by much. As far as pvp goes an archer will beat a mage 90 - 95% of the time considering they are both the same level and will probably decrease by 10% by every level a mage gains on an archer. Before Lycoli tries to bite my head off let me explain.
Only chance a mage has at beating an archers is by casting or in some cases chain casting fear on an archer in hope that the archer does not go out of range of their attack. Therefore a mages chance reduce dramatically if they do not cast fear on an archer. Now I am going to blow any mages argument through the window. Yes if mages and archer pvp without the use of stones it would be 50/50 chance for both cl@sses.
Why? If mage is able to land all of his strongest attacks on an archer a mage will win the battle if the mage cannot land their attacks as a result of an archers high evasion then an archer will win. However there will be no "soaking up of damage" in battle if both parties are allowed to use stones. Even with stones a mage will not last more than 15 secs against an archer in pvp this is fact.
A mages hp or defense is not sufficient to counter the dmg both DoT's and Aim/Power will inflict so stones will not be able to keep up. So guys feel free to find a flaw in what i have said but I know through experience that everything i have said is fact so feel free to dispute it all you like. Really the flame wars and pointless arguments have gone on long enough I am sure there are much better things to discuss. Peace.

[Garvin2000]

Fine I will add my bit. I don't think any of you here have more experience than me in this game so I believe what i have to say carries a lot of weight so listen up.

A few things.

Starting a reply like this makes people not want to read what you have to say, no matter how valid it might be.

Also putting paragraphs and all is much better than "wall-o-texts" as it facilitates easier reading.

The rest of your post is good though, mostly the archer will beat the mage.

[dragonswordmaster]

Archers DPS greatly lower their HP and a crossbow wielding archer, power shotting a mage will do massive damage on a mage. Also, archers have evasion for their advantage.

**EDIT**: Archers are second best when it comes to PvP. With out stones, an archer greatly does more damage to a fighter and cleric. Mages are fragile and will be easily killed.


not if the mage kills the archer first also power shot has 1.5sec cooldown which the mage can squzee 2 skills in that time

[dragonswordmaster]

You can't use personal experiences as a comparision. It doesn't work like that.

A Mage could be distracted in town, or just ended a fight with someone else so they have things on cool down.

A Mage could have all +9 armor for all you know.

The archer could have just return to town at 1/2 health.

The Archer could have Tier 4 mdef.

People don't know these things, so stop comparing things based on personal event.

In some cases
Archer > Mage

other

Mage > Archer

okay?
If the battle drags out for 20 sec or more than DoT will probably kill the mage.
But if the mages does it's job like it should. It can burst damage and kill the archer in less than 6 sec. 6 of DoT does basically no damage.



the example i made is with both class on FAIR grounds means every one will have unenchanted armour and NO greens and as i said in the first post no stones or buffs

[dragonswordmaster]

dragonswordmaster just can't admit that archers rule ;3
Archer critical damage is amazing ._. and we can always use stones and potions at the same time you know =.=

Also, if most skills are empowered it would be very easy for the archer.



go when you are lvl 60+ try to fight a mage and see and by then you would know that you would get OWNED by the mage's awsome spells

[graduss]

Um archers have bad sides but they are best solo class
1.Archers can get more damage then mages,4 enemies and mage is dead.
2.Archers look cool
3.Archers have rain of arows
4.In pvp archer vs mage,mage has no chance

[AngelsFist]

How can you get owned if Inferno and nova are easy to dodge?

How bout thinking before typing, kthx.

[capron]

not if the mage kills the archer first also power shot has 1.5sec cooldown which the mage can squzee 2 skills in that time

It depends on certain situations of which class will win. Archers have evasion on their side as I stated earlier and as many other people have stated.


the example i made is with both class on FAIR grounds means every one will have unenchanted armour and NO greens and as i said in the first post no stones or buffs

Still, archers will likely win against mages. Read all the posts and see how many people have said archers will kill mages.


go when you are lvl 60+ try to fight a mage and see and by then you would know that you would get OWNED by the mage's awsome spells

The archers don't need new skills to kill mages.;)

To sum it all up, both classes can kill each other, but it depends on the player. Although with the many responces people have been giving, archers seem to be a strong challenge against mages.

You should try to get everyone's opinion and not just in the archer section. It will probably be half-half of which class is better then the other. I have made a thread in the wrong section, but it's a poll of what everyone thinks which class is very strong at 60+ PvP. I doubt archers will be voted for less, though I may be wrong.

[Lycoli]

Um archers have bad sides but they are best solo class
1.Archers can get more damage then mages,4 enemies and mage is dead.
2.Archers look cool
3.Archers have rain of arows
4.In pvp archer vs mage,mage has no chance

You, have never seen a decent mage have you?

1. Mages are MADE for burst damage. Which means they naturally deal more damage than an archer
2. Can't disagree on this one
3. And 1 of them is a complete waste of time and sp to use
4. You have 0 experience in pvping.

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No dragon, your isn't based on even ground. Anything can happen, I say Archer's are a Fair match for the Mage. We cannot dominate the range catagory because we have cast time on 1/2 our skills. If you do power shot you will make it easier on the mage.

At the same time, you might get lucky and simply bone shot and poison shot and start running. Venom leaves you too vunerable as it has cast time not to mention one of the world's slowest animation before the actual effect and damage. But remember Necklace's are made to specifically to negate the Entire Archer DoT list.

As well, if you look at the actual skills we have our disposal. 2 of our skills cannot be used or ineffective in a pvp. While mage has a Specific pvp only skill, though somewhat useless.

And the ability Fear is random running. In some case you run further away *which is good for us* or you might run closer. So really it's a game of luck.

But honestly with all that said an done, name one time a duel existed at lvl 60 on your Fair grounds. Everyone got some sort of Green or +9 weapon or scrolls.

[Escobar390]

Lycoli you are in denial man lol but anyways. The endless cycle continues.
The only mage I am yet to beat is hyoree and she pawned my a$s repeatably in the battleground (forgive me if I spelt the name wrong) I could be wrong but i think she has capped by now so that makes sense and we fought 2 days ago (I am 67 btw) so that something like 12 levels so that makes sense.
I have said this more than once at the same level it is very hard for a mage to beat and archer. I do not know what it will take to convince you guys of this do you require visual evidence. I mean its being said over and over and over again but no one seems convinced.
Even the mages on Teva are willing to admit this FACT. You guys can introduce countless variables to make it seem like mages still have the upper hand but none of them have any real merit. I dont think there is any point of me saying any of this again I don't believe that people you think other wise can be convince they are either blind biased or both.
I think I am about done with this now have fun. (Not targeting you Lycoli I am speaking in general dont get mad :))

[-Leona-]

You, have never seen a decent mage have you?

1. Mages are MADE for burst damage. Which means they naturally deal more damage than an archer
2. Can't disagree on this one
3. And 1 of them is a complete waste of time and sp to use
4. You have 0 experience in pvping.

And i'm pretty sure u are the good of pvping and u know all about pvping. Before level 60 a mage not only that wont' win but will not even dream of winning against an archer of the same level if both players are exp. After level 60 mages get a few new skills that will give them a lil more firepower but at equal levels archers still get the upper hand. Just because a level 79 mage will pawn a level 6x archer doesn't mean archers suck. I'm pretty sure archers like Eirin, Wintergreen, and Reni can stand up against pretty much any mage with a very good chance of winning.

U my friend lack the ability to consider every class for what they are good at. And given to what u said "u have never seen a good mage have?" what about this. U HAVE NEVER SEEN A good archer.

Now dont' get back at me with something like "mages pawn in aoe" cuz that is common sense but by no means Archers are useless or a pushovers ESPECIALLY against mages.

[AngelsFist]

Lol..?

Simply put, You've misunderstood Dia's post Leona.

-Nodssome-

[slayhn]

I'm a 50 archer and I have no problems pvping, grouping, duoing, soloing.

PVP - I own everyone 1 on 1 except clerics. I end up just going onto another target when a cleric is attacking me because I don't feel like doing an endless battle. Easiest is mage, then archer, fighter. Maybe I'm geared well but I have no problems.

Grouping - Whenever I want a group I seem to get into one.

Duoing - I make around 130k-150k xp a hour duoing

Soloing - A lot slower exp but I have no problems

KQ - I do perfectly fine

Archers are my favorite and I out damage any other class. I give props to all you whiners because maybe they'll even make them better and I'll own even more. If you want to do well stop wearing white gear, get a +9 weapon, nicely stated green gear and maybe some +9 armors. If you complain that it's too expensive then you need to learn how to make money.

~Gimble

[Gravvi]

LMAO gimble i agree. I do have issues getting parties at certain times of the day. And like i said they may not need to empower them more since at lvl 80 look archers may be better than mages. Plus if that does happen i will love to be lvl 79 and then gain my one lvl to pwn everyone. And mages suck in pvp as to archers. Archers have good Mdef as well as def, we have hp. Don't say u will fear me because like i also stated i might run away from you or in an area not accessible so your screwed then. And ur nova's and inferno. I will run while i watch u cast it.

[Lycoli]

Angel some time i think's it's a waste of effort even trying to make comment to these people.
*nods*

*points at Leona* =Shakes head= That was probably... the most insulting post i've read up to this point.
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Gravvi..... you must be playing a different game, by your self. Why would a mage use Inferno or Frost Nova in a 1 on 1 match.

or are you telling me that you will use Nature's protection because it looks like a useful move.
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For your information, i said it was a fair ground. Again, using personal experience as evidence serves 0 validitiy. Anyone can come up with a non-sense speech. Do you people not read? Or do you just like flaming people?

Obviously i have played an archer, why else would i be here?

and for the last time i'm a girl. That's it i'm like completely dumping this thread and the archer thing. Oh yeah, for about the last 6 month's i've been supporting archer's but apperently you people sense me as a whiner oh well. Sometime it makes me wonder why do i help people.
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[PaladinKnights]

personally archer>mage just because i hate low def. ^^

[DemonEyeKyo]

Diamond... not only shes a good archer a good guildmate a nice and funny gurl but she also real cute... and we always have lotsa fun with her in guild... and u guys dont diss dia she know what shes talking about... and dia.. i know i havent been helping u really... but i appreciate u much i hope u know about that,.... stay with us :)

and well dont mind these nub hehe

[Sven-]

I'm pretty sure archers like Eirin, Wintergreen, and Reni can stand up against pretty much any mage with a very good chance of winning.


So really it's a game of luck.

why do I have the feeling someone didn't even bother reading carefully? D:
and to make such an offensive post like that, shame on you ~D:!

[HateUchiha]

That's it i'm like completely dumping this thread and the archer thing. Oh yeah, for about the last 6 month's i've been supporting archer's but apperently you people sense me as a whiner oh well. Sometime it makes me wonder why do i help people.
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all these ppl on archers forums just get mad ''Archers dont suck noob'' then ur acused of whining for saying the flaws we have =.=. seriously ppl stop calling everyone a whiner just because they want sumthing done about the situation of archers. not everyone wants to hear u call them a whiner =/ everythink about that? as much as we u hate us 'complaing' we hate u talk about us whining.

[whitecrowe]

It's not whining, it's just being proactive. But all these pessimistic people have to come in and tell us that our class is completely perfect in every way because they're already lvl 20. Though I still can't stand people, ecspecially mages, telling us that we're completely useless...

We arnt useless, we're the unlucky class who was nerfed so badly that even our attack speed is longer. What did we do to deserve having half our skills unimplemented? Sure archers are much better on BK but there are still a lot more mages, we couldn't have been that much of a threat...

[wannabeguyo]

It's not whining, it's just being proactive. But all these pessimistic people have to come in and tell us that our class is completely perfect in every way because they're already lvl 20. Though I still can't stand people, ecspecially mages, telling us that we're completely useless...

We arnt useless, we're the unlucky class who was nerfed so badly that even our attack speed is longer. What did we do to deserve having half our skills unimplemented? Sure archers are much better on BK but there are still a lot more mages, we couldn't have been that much of a threat...
thats a question i dont think even the dev team knows the answer to. prolly messed up some data and dont know how to fix it XD.......and does anyone know why the archer armor in uru looks crappy. not the armor itself, but on the picture where you buy it the green is all crappy.....yeah tehy jsut hate us.X3

[Gravvi]

Angel some time i think's it's a waste of effort even trying to make comment to these people.
*nods*

*points at Leona* =Shakes head= That was probably... the most insulting post i've read up to this point.
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Gravvi..... you must be playing a different game, by your self. Why would a mage use Inferno or Frost Nova in a 1 on 1 match.

or are you telling me that you will use Nature's protection because it looks like a useful move.
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For your information, i said it was a fair ground. Again, using personal experience as evidence serves 0 validitiy. Anyone can come up with a non-sense speech. Do you people not read? Or do you just like flaming people?

Obviously i have played an archer, why else would i be here?

and for the last time i'm a girl. That's it i'm like completely dumping this thread and the archer thing. Oh yeah, for about the last 6 month's i've been supporting archer's but apperently you people sense me as a whiner oh well. Sometime it makes me wonder why do i help people.
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About what i said yes i have had mages try and do those skills on me in pvp. did it work, NO. Just because you aren't that stupid doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And you would be here because you have nothing to do. I have a mage also. And mages stink when it comes to solos, duo's, and pvp. Only good when there is a tank and cleric in their party.

And who said anything about skills looking cool. Diamond every post u make about archers and mages are complete false. I have yet to read anything of truth come from ur posts. First you say mages always win pretty much(your implying it) just because u have an archer doesn't mean u know what ur talking about. Honestly if someone were to use Frost nova or inferno in pvp they should space them out so either way we take damage unless we stand still.

Just because you can't play ur archer as well as us doesn't make us suck. And leona is right in his post.

[wannabeguyo]

ok gravi if you are content with ur archer and dont have any indescretions then there really is no point for you to post in a thread like this....-.-

[Gravvi]

umm yea i do i am an archer and i agree with people are underestimating archers. Saying stuff thats not true. Because of people like diamond saying that knd of stuff keeps them from playing an archer. She is the one who makes people want to be able to lvl than have fun.

[wannabeguyo]

well ok its just that, in alot of the posts ive read on this forum you seem to be in between thinking nothing is wrong to thing there is something wrong. I think the only real complaint from you is the gaining a party issue.....and that issue came from the lack of skills issue(in my opinion) we just really have nothing to add to the party.

[HateUchiha]

About what i said yes i have had mages try and do those skills on me in pvp. did it work, NO. Just because you aren't that stupid doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And you would be here because you have nothing to do. I have a mage also. And mages stink when it comes to solos, duo's, and pvp. Only good when there is a tank and cleric in their party.

And who said anything about skills looking cool. Diamond every post u make about archers and mages are complete false. I have yet to read anything of truth come from ur posts. First you say mages always win pretty much(your implying it) just because u have an archer doesn't mean u know what ur talking about. Honestly if someone were to use Frost nova or inferno in pvp they should space them out so either way we take damage unless we stand still.

Just because you can't play ur archer as well as us doesn't make us suck. And leona is right in his post.


there u go gravvi telling another archer they suck...

i really wasnt gunna quote but...the way u said everything was totaly rude..
first off leonas post was basicly flaming Lycoli and telling her of the 3 7x archers. wat does that tell me? shows me that leona is just here to brag about wat he sees other archers his level doing.
why would i need a fighter coming of archer threads to talk about archers? all it does is create flaming. leona is better off talking about fighters and how well he uses his axe. and leona u did for a fact say ''i would never choose another class over a fighter'' so plz dont come to archer forums.
*back to gravvi* yes it is common sense to move away from the frost nova/inferno because they can only hit u if u stand there, put thats not to say every mage will do it. mages attack increases just like ours do every lv, they have a fair chance of winning as well as they have loseing. ''well my archer has pawn mages 24/7'' thats great go grab a medal, and be happy ur archer can win battles in pvp, but that doesnt mean ur archer is king of the classes. stop saying that ppl are implying that archers 'suck' we only imply they hav more flaws and stuff then other classes. just because nobody says archers are just as good as mages doesnt mean were saying they suck =.=

[jioqwas]

well yes guys usually archers would be killed........IF the mage gets the first 2 attacks usually..but if they have a fair fight and the archer has some balanced stats they will come out on top!! :)::)

[wannabeguyo]

there u go gravvi telling another archer they suck...

i really wasnt gunna quote but...the way u said everything was totaly rude..
first off leonas post was basicly flaming Lycoli and telling her of the 3 7x archers. wat does that tell me? shows me that leona is just here to brag about wat he sees other archers his level doing.
why would i need a fighter coming of archer threads to talk about archers? all it does is create flaming. leona is better off talking about fighters and how well he uses his axe. and leona u did for a fact say ''i would never choose another class over a fighter'' so plz dont come to archer forums.
*back to gravvi* yes it is common sense to move away from the frost nova/inferno because they can only hit u if u stand there, put thats not to say every mage will do it. mages attack increases just like ours do every lv, they have a fair chance of winning as well as they have loseing. ''well my archer has pawn mages 24/7'' thats great go grab a medal, and be happy ur archer can win battles in pvp, but that doesnt mean ur archer is king of the classes. stop saying that ppl are implying that archers 'suck' we only imply they hav more flaws and stuff then other classes. just because nobody says archers are just as good as mages doesnt mean were saying they suck =.= couldnt have said it better myself

[Sven-]

well yes guys usually archers would be killed........IF the mage gets the first 2 attacks usually..but if they have a fair fight and the archer has some balanced stats they will come out on top!!

yea, just like I killed a mage my lvl twice at PvP today even though he started the fight both times, even burning my SP first on the second one, then he said he'd give up :/

idk, maybe his gear sucked ~D:

[Suzuru]

go when you are lvl 60+ try to fight a mage and see and by then you would know that you would get OWNED by the mage's awsome spells

I'll just have better equipment then and spam skills Σ(ﾟ∀´(┗┐ヽ(･∀･ )ﾉ ばか!

[Shounen]

not if the mage kills the archer first also power shot has 1.5sec cooldown which the mage can squzee 2 skills in that time

um...do you even know what you're talking about?? incase you haven't noticed, powershot has a 15 second cooldown, not 1.5. Also, if an archer had a 1.5 second cooldown for their skills, they'd kill mages in 7seconds. Yes, in 1.5 seconds, a mage can squeeze 2 skills, but they aren't as strong as squeezing aim shot and power shot, it would do too much damage to a mage!! And also, incase you haven't realised again, an archer does not skill spam! They have ordinary hit which is similar to a mages MM.

[MissusDolly]

I bet the first question you ask is... why the Archers are worthless? That is because they are weaker than the mage both in pvp and pve (e is for enviroment). why? you ask. Because the mages have taken over the archer's role!!! here is 2 examples on why
First of all have you ever tried an archer? Do you know at my level I can take on goblin mages, sand ratmen, and a few other red mobs? How does that make me suck compared to a mage when half the time they can't take the monsters I do without dying?


1st example. pve


ok we all know the fastest way to lvl is by doing aoe partys right? so if A party have 1 fighter 1 cleric and 2 mages and B partys have 1 same as the A but replace the mages with archers. now i will show what usualy a party does when aoe grinding

party A

fighter aoe mock mobs
mobs charge at the figther
cleric heals the fighter when the mobs reach him
mages will now do his aoes like nova frost inferno and magic burst but, with chain casting mages can cancel the cooldown time of a skill and the mage infernos again. THATS 4 AOES IN A ROW with 2 mages it becomes 8. OMFG never seen a group of mobs die so fast.

ok thats group A sorted now group B


fight and clerics to the same as party A
now the archers aoe with multshot 30 seconds cooldown....
poison bleed and diease 1 mob wow.....
the rest mobs have still lots of hp left with another archer it will only have 1 more aoe and 1 more mob have dots(we will come to that next)
A- Sure who cares if A is faster. Aoeing isn't everything.
B-Archers a single monster killers.

Who's wanted in KQ? Archers because archers rock when killing a single boss because we constantly are dealing damage.


last thing dots(damage over time)

before the lvl cap the archers were the only ones who had dots now mages have AWESOME dots which are far more super than archers 400+ dmg per 3 sec for 12 secs WTH??? thats over 1000 damage in merely 12 seonds OMG :0

next post will be about pvp
First off they have to wait until they are a high level to even gain it. Archers will catch up trust me. Mages might have a DoT skill now, but archers have 4 of them so if all 4 hit then what?


pvp(player vs player)

all the examples are made does not include stones and buffs. because that way the fight might last forever

why the mages are far better at pvp?? thats because they have much more better pvp skills

ok 1st example mage vs archer

mage does magic blast
archer uses attack speed buff. rofl 0.9 sec attack rate for bow......
mage does fear
archer runs like a headless chicken in elderine
mage manages to squzee 2 more spells while fear takes effect and does chain casting
archer uses his dots
mage uses fireball
archer on very little hp panics and tries to skill spam!!!!( can we really skill spam with the casting time and the lon cooldowns??)
mages does 1 more spell and archer is lying on the cold, hard floor with hiss eye closed.
mage shouts: Archer sux
PvP- Archers and mages are about alike. Mages yet again have to wait for cooldowns while your fellow archer is doing constant damage and not to consider our DoTs are doing constant damage too. I don't do PvP often so I am only speaking from what I have done. I've killed plenty of mages my level.

Archers do not suck. So don't come in here saying they do. I've had enough of this pointing fingers saying this class sucks. Suck it up and help an archer instead of seeing all our faults. We are good at things you just don't see what we are good at.
-Dolly

[Shounen]

No offence guys, but seriously, all of you are confusing! If you say that you can beat a mage 5 lvls higher, then what are you complaining about??? Do you wanna Own us mage class even more, or do you just wanna be overpowered?!?! My fighter gets killed by archers quite alot, too, and that really sux! Whenever i see misses on the screen, i really think that sux! Why do you want to lvl faster, when you own and waste the mage class already!! You compare with the mage class soooo much!! To me, a better comparison is to the cleric class or the fighter class...to compare to a mage is completely crazy. Archers make no sense to me, a mage may lvl up to 60 in one month (that's if you play real hard), and in one month an archer may lvl 55, now....who would win in a fight??
When a lvl 15-19 archer fought me at lvl 25, he beat me once and i beat him 3 times. But now i fight a fighter who was only 3-4 lvls higher then me and he takes half of my health with power hit!!(i'm saying this for my mage, not my fighter)
I'm not saying that archers aren't at a disadvantage, but comparing a mage doesn't make any sense to me.

[tarugo]

My great goodness... people seem to be concentrating more on PVP here than the generel gameplay where archers are severly lacking and disappointing.

Here's a simple concept about this:


"I rulzzz on pvp, so archers are d bestest! Only u hu can't pley pvp sey archers are d suxors!"

Alright! I bet you leveled from 1-50 just by doing PVP! Congrats! :\

[Shounen]

My great goodness... people seem to be concentrating more on PVP here than the generel gameplay where archers are severly lacking and disappointing.

Here's a simple concept about this:


"I rulzzz on pvp, so archers are d bestest! Only u hu can't pley pvp sey archers are d suxors!"

Alright! I bet you leveled from 1-50 just by doing PVP! Congrats! :\

In the end, everyone pretty much wants pvp, right?? If anyone has put all there effort to one character and gets owned like garbage, then you'll feel pretty stink!! But i'm sure you wouldn't care, seeing as you wouldn't mind being thrown like garbage!! pvp matters!! It makes you feel extremely bad when you have wasted all your time for NOTHING!!! And even if i could lvl from 1-50 from pvp, i'd just be ganged by archers and the archers would lvl like crazy!! There's a reason people want to lvl!! It's to get STRONGER!!! But if you're already strong, then what's the point in leveling?? If you got skills that can tear a mage or whatever to shreds, then wouldn't it be too greedy to say that archers are weak, archers need this, archers need that, yah-di-yah-di-yah, blah blah archers don't have frost nova, blah blah archers do weak damage.
If you want to make the most fun out of your archer, then go solo!! It'll feel much better as you aren't relying on anyones help, but can a mage solo, can a mage truly have the best overall gaming (other then pvp) without worrying a single mob would strike outtta nowhere??

I'm sorry for the flame, but the way you speak really offends me"I rulzzz on pvp, so archers are d bestest! Only u hu can't pley pvp sey archers are d suxors!"

[whitecrowe]

No offence guys, but seriously, all of you are confusing! If you say that you can beat a mage 5 lvls higher, then what are you complaining about??? Do you wanna Own us mage class even more, or do you just wanna be overpowered?!?! My fighter gets killed by archers quite alot, too, and that really sux! Whenever i see misses on the screen, i really think that sux! Why do you want to lvl faster, when you own and waste the mage class already!! You compare with the mage class soooo much!! To me, a better comparison is to the cleric class or the fighter class...to compare to a mage is completely crazy. Archers make no sense to me, a mage may lvl up to 60 in one month (that's if you play real hard), and in one month an archer may lvl 55, now....who would win in a fight??
When a lvl 15-19 archer fought me at lvl 25, he beat me once and i beat him 3 times. But now i fight a fighter who was only 3-4 lvls higher then me and he takes half of my health with power hit!!(i'm saying this for my mage, not my fighter)
I'm not saying that archers aren't at a disadvantage, but comparing a mage doesn't make any sense to me.

Generally people compare mages and archers because of the whole attacking from a distance thing. I'd love to compare with a fighter or a cleric but archers can't exactly heal or mock.

The leveling is just an annoyance where frost nova has apparently convinced people that mages are much more powerful then they are. If they really were so much stronger they wouldn't bother partying. Honestly my archer is still working through lvl 40 while my duo partner just hit 47 because she can solo reds/oranges easily while Im stuck with yellows. Of course I can't get a CP group because everyone's looking for a mage.

In pvp you can't complain about getting powerhit to death because that happens to a lot of people. Besides, you're at a mages weakest levels and eventually your hp will start evening out with archers and you'll have enough defense to stand up to the weaklings without any trouble.

Dieing in pvp from an archer is natural, it's all we have. A lvl 40 has 5 attacks, 3 of which have a longer cast time than most spells. My average damage is around 2k within 20 seconds without the inevitable chain of headshots, and it ought to be deadly givin the number of attacks to hopefully dodge within that time. Aside from damage I have more magical defense than normal defense.

Archers are the mage killing class that has to own in pvp because it fills time from the frustration of taking forever to level since there isn't anything to look forward to. Mages become AoE gods 60+ while all we get is our unnerfed attack speed for a few seconds. Would you be bursting with excitment to level knowing your hard work will go practically unrewarded?

[Gravvi]

lol yea when i made that post hate i was extremely pissed for like 20 reasons lol. But the only issue really is party if we got parties there would be no complaints am i right. No i didn't say she sucked i just said jsut because she isnt' as good as some of us. (wintergreen,reni...) And leona was talking about was that archers are good in pvp. If they can kill a full str fighter then apparetnly they are good.

And yes i do agree lack of skills suck but that isnt' the worst issue people. Even with lack of skills if we can kill mages and fighters and sometimes clerics and kill whatever we normally kill think of how we are with our skills. I would think we are a bit overpowered then. If they give all the archers what they should then they need to do it to all the ohter classes(unless they already have, not sure) Plus OnOnsoft is the creator of the game i am sure they are making it so we balance. But since noone is waiting for the cap to lift and for the new maps to open then whats the point.

Think of this. When the new maps open all the parties that wanted mages are going to the new maps because they are now really high lvl. So that leaves all the parties who couldn't get parties all that space with the new lvl 60 mages and the archers. You guys need to look at whats is good which there is alot but apparently u guys dont' think much of it since mages have two good skills(inferno, Frost nova) If u think about it fighters get good moves too why don't we complain about that.

So should fighters get mad because mages can give a monster a debuff. No, SHould we get mad when mages get 2 dot NO. Its only two skills. That will be made up later in lvls.

And due to it being beta the game is going to get changed to see how things work. So they changed something and it didn't work Just post in the post class balance issue that the GM made for them to read. I dont' think they look at the archer section posts except ffor the archer suggestions(which has been closed). Its as if you guys forgot what beta is. Its a test still. Its all trial and error. They made the error now give them time to adjust or better yet fix all the current bugs before adding more skills that could be bugged.

Plus if u don't like the archers stop playing them. Create a new character(i said this last time and hate u told me to delete my main)(not saying delete just create a new one to play until you feel that they changed archers enough). Hate didn't delete his he retired it. I retired my cleric for the 2nd time. There are already 50+ posts saying archer suck. WHy dont' u be usefull and explain on how u think they could be fixed. I did math from alot of data i was given and replied with an essay pretty much. The gms aren't going to read all the posts. Just the ones they posted. Instead of making a new thread just post on one of the 50 made. These kinds of posts are stupid.

I dont' know who or where i heard it but i was told that next month they are going to fix some of the archer issues(not 100% sure don't quote me on it)

Yes i was rude earlier i am sorry and yet not. I am sorry that it was rude but i am not sorry for posting it. And i am replying on how i took their post not on how u take it but my own taking. I might take one post differently than everyone else(not my fault u don't have my brain XD)

Anyway i am done in the archer section because seeing everyone post the same thing 50+ times is very annoying and very stupid.

[HateUchiha]

lol yea when i made that post hate i was extremely pissed for like 20 reasons lol. But the only issue really is party if we got parties there would be no complaints am i right. No i didn't say she sucked i just said jsut because she isnt' as good as some of us. (wintergreen,reni...) And leona was talking about was that archers are good in pvp. If they can kill a full str fighter then apparetnly they are good.

And yes i do agree lack of skills suck but that isnt' the worst issue people. Even with lack of skills if we can kill mages and fighters and sometimes clerics and kill whatever we normally kill think of how we are with our skills. I would think we are a bit overpowered then. If they give all the archers what they should then they need to do it to all the ohter classes(unless they already have, not sure) Plus OnOnsoft is the creator of the game i am sure they are making it so we balance. But since noone is waiting for the cap to lift and for the new maps to open then whats the point.

Think of this. When the new maps open all the parties that wanted mages are going to the new maps because they are now really high lvl. So that leaves all the parties who couldn't get parties all that space with the new lvl 60 mages and the archers. You guys need to look at whats is good which there is alot but apparently u guys dont' think much of it since mages have two good skills(inferno, Frost nova) If u think about it fighters get good moves too why don't we complain about that.

So should fighters get mad because mages can give a monster a debuff. No, SHould we get mad when mages get 2 dot NO. Its only two skills. That will be made up later in lvls.

And due to it being beta the game is going to get changed to see how things work. So they changed something and it didn't work Just post in the post class balance issue that the GM made for them to read. I dont' think they look at the archer section posts except ffor the archer suggestions(which has been closed). Its as if you guys forgot what beta is. Its a test still. Its all trial and error. They made the error now give them time to adjust or better yet fix all the current bugs before adding more skills that could be bugged.

Plus if u don't like the archers stop playing them. Create a new character(i said this last time and hate u told me to delete my main)(not saying delete just create a new one to play until you feel that they changed archers enough). Hate didn't delete his he retired it. I retired my cleric for the 2nd time. There are already 50+ posts saying archer suck. WHy dont' u be usefull and explain on how u think they could be fixed. I did math from alot of data i was given and replied with an essay pretty much. The gms aren't going to read all the posts. Just the ones they posted. Instead of making a new thread just post on one of the 50 made. These kinds of posts are stupid.

I dont' know who or where i heard it but i was told that next month they are going to fix some of the archer issues(not 100% sure don't quote me on it)

Yes i was rude earlier i am sorry and yet not. I am sorry that it was rude but i am not sorry for posting it. And i am replying on how i took their post not on how u take it but my own taking. I might take one post differently than everyone else(not my fault u don't have my brain XD)

Anyway i am done in the archer section because seeing everyone post the same thing 50+ times is very annoying and very stupid.

O.o........*inches away from Gravvi*

oh just one thing, >.>'' i told u to quit ur main because u told me that if i hated archers so much to quit mine and i told u i didnt hate archers it was just my opinion on them, and that im not going to delete sumthing iv been working on.

.__. ok im done *doesnt wanna get eatin by gravvi*

[Shounen]

To Dragon: Your signature is very stupid, don't make links on how archers are the weaker class, it discourages beginners and low-lvls and archers would be a dead class, plus, this thread doesn't prove anything, especially about the pvp thing, it's only your opinion.

[Sven-]

My great goodness... people seem to be concentrating more on PVP here than the generel gameplay where archers are severly lacking and disappointing.


whoo, when did leveling become default 'general gameplay'? in other games I've seen, leveling is just the boring part(since it becomes really tedious to do it after a while) D:

so yea, you hit the cap and what's the next thing you'll be doing? continue to grind with that character? I bet you'll be full of it by then.


Mages become AoE gods 60+ while all we get is our unnerfed attack speed for a few seconds. Would you be bursting with excitment to level knowing your hard work will go practically unrewarded?


it sucks how we're unrewarded, but only because mages get the hability to level faster after 60(which they shouldn't have by other servers standards, AFAIK) doesn't make them better in all aspects D: no, I take it back, it's better said 'it doesn't mean we archers suck' :)


If they give all the archers what they should then they need to do it to all the ohter classes(unless they already have, not sure)

mages got a skill that's originally an archer skill, and a lvl90 skill at lvl60, both which I guess you already know but I'm repeating it anyway ><;;
I dunno about what they ommited tho D:

[Rawreth]

I must agree, archers are worthless.

Stop making them. o:< -takes advantage of market-

[Aer_Mateo]

Hmmm opinions are funny.

I loved how everything focused on dragon then lycoli then gravvi a bit.

Sure some things said were rude but it has to be said get over it.

[dragonswordmaster]

Out of 3 tries, I've won against a fairly leveled mage twice.

Indeed they cast fear, but that doesnt mean you can use a stone/pot in between during the running, and after fear; whats next?

They'd be eating crits+DoTs, timed correctly when the DoT deals its dmg, you shoot a power/aimed shot and that's a great deal of damage enough to send a mage stone spamming, wait till the DoT's reduce HP again then sneak another shot and they're dead.

You're missing another point in gears; as long as the other has better stat'd gears than the other, there will always be an advantage.

And I rarely see mages use Inferno/Nova in PvP against archers..for obvious reasons.

My archer has already pvp'd against alot of mages, and they can vouch for it.

im making examples on no healing and no buffs

[dragonswordmaster]

It depends on certain situations of which class will win. Archers have evasion on their side as I stated earlier and as many other people have stated.



Still, archers will likely win against mages. Read all the posts and see how many people have said archers will kill mages.



The archers don't need new skills to kill mages.;)

To sum it all up, both classes can kill each other, but it depends on the player. Although with the many responces people have been giving, archers seem to be a strong challenge against mages.

You should try to get everyone's opinion and not just in the archer section. It will probably be half-half of which class is better then the other. I have made a thread in the wrong section, but it's a poll of what everyone thinks which class is very strong at 60+ PvP. I doubt archers will be voted for less, though I may be wrong.


archers have very weak skills compared to other class at lvl 60+ cleric can aoe heal fighters can heal them selves with vampric strike(typos in the spelling) and mages get chain cast and fear

[Ka.chan]

haha foolish mortal
mages can use fear to make the archer run like a mad man while the mage spams spells at the archer also mages have more distance than archers( i wodner why they call the archer "ranged specialists on the character info when mages have more distance rofl)

Are you some being that lives in my closet? :0

[Gravvi]

guys don't listen to dragon he has yet to show proof of anything and apparently doesn't know what he is talking about. If u guys do want to help with anything go to the class balance issue in gameplay section and please post what your issue is and how u think you could fix it.

[Ayano_Kannagi]

Archers are the strongest pvp class if you play them right.

[JerichoCrost]

Wait until you get Piercing Shot at lv75... I mean yes it's a long time until you get it but I've partied with two lv75+ archers and they kills just as quick as any inferno or nova casted upon the enemies... At lv60 archers get the shorter end of the stick... but don't mess with one at 70+ because you can take my words for it, you'll get eatin' up. (thanks to my friend Eirin for demonstrating so nicely)

[jdrose143]

go when you are lvl 60+ try to fight a mage and see and by then you would know that you would get OWNED by the mage's awsome spells

At lvl 45 i killed a lvl 60 mage...also at lvl 51 archers get dps skill where they can poison multiple targets at once so we can dps many targets insted on just one at a time....you should learn what you are taking about before you start posting random stuff dude...

[krazykris_2000]

Ok, it seems to me that people keep making the same threads over and over and over and over, and everyone comes back with the same arguements everytime..... or is it just me?

[jdrose143]

They are...but i was just saying that he was talking about how archers can only poison 1 mob at a time...and i dont think anyone hit on the fact that at lvl 51 you get skill to poison multiple targets

[Lythari]

It is most discouraging to hear nothing but the same whining over and over again coming from archers.

And these threads about archers being worthless do not really contribute to anything but to p!ss people off and start arguments. Archers are a work in progress and will get fixed some time. And when that time comes, the world had better watch out. Just tolerate the difficulties. I am an archer too, and am not sitting around here moping and whining about how imperfect the world is. Yeah, we got screwed. Get over it.

[jdrose143]

It is most discouraging to hear nothing but the same whining over and over again coming from archers.

And these threads about archers being worthless do not really contribute to anything but to p!ss people off and start arguments. Archers are a work in progress and will get fixed some time. And when that time comes, the world had better watch out. Just tolerate the difficulties. I am an archer too, and am not sitting around here moping and whining about how imperfect the world is. Yeah, we got screwed. Get over it.

Well that good...at least there are a few people who dont really care about this ;D ...personally i think that the archer is the best class there is even if we have some bad things....and, finally, i am offically done with this thread....

ArrowSnipe

[capron]

archers have very weak skills compared to other class at lvl 60+ cleric can aoe heal fighters can heal them selves with vampric strike(typos in the spelling) and mages get chain cast and fear

Though clerics personally don't want to go up against archers because they spam heal.:) No matter what the defence of a cleric is, the cleric will be spam healing. The fighter's healing skill has a long cooldown and less depended on. If you find a strategic archer in PvP, they have the potential to be deadly. Archers have the highest DPS on one target, mages have burst damage.

Fighters and clerics have low aim and whithout stones, an archer is a tough opponent.

I don't like repeating myself, though it depends on different situations.

[Gravvi]

winter the posts keep being remade because they think the gms will read them all X(