balance and problems

[mike2223312]

ok... which one do you think is the most unbalenced ill give you a hint 3 are balanced

we'll use a point system 1 for low 2 for med 3 for high 1 per skill 1 per debuff
Mage:
low hp, low ph def, low evasion
high sp, high magic def, high attack
holds more sp stones than hp stones
4 main attack spells untill level 49 1 has a 1.8 sec cooldown the other 3 have a 15 sec cooldown and can slow

total: 18

fighter:
high def, high hp, low evasion
low sp, low magic def, med attack
holds more hp stones than sp stones
can stun, lower def attack rate and can hit pretty good with a chain of skills

total: 14

archer:
med hp, low ph def, high evasion
med sp, high magic def, med attack
holds about equal stones
can poison cause bleeding damage and hit somewhat well while doing so

total: 15

cleric:
med hp, med def, med evasion
med sp, med magic def, med ph attack - high magic attack
holds more sp than hp stones
can heal every 2.1 seconds for 88 sp at most(while holding 60+ sp stones and hp stones and hp pots and able to use all 3 if needed), can invince, can hp/sp buff can regen can increase block, damage and defense buffs both ph and mag so this counts for 2

total: 22


so i hope you all see the imbalence and how clerics are totally invincible at level 47+ with there heal cooldown maxed that they can get by level 11
they can use both hp and sp stones to heal and get 10+ heals per sp stone so thats a rough total of teh ability to heal 100 times per 10 sp stones alone plus having a high attack and a high magic attack and every buff there is, no other class has a buff except fighter which lowers his def to increase his str

every cleric is gonna get offended because they get an easy ride at the higher levels and its not really all skill you just have to heal every 2 hits to stay alive and outstone someone but its the truth we all know it and it does need to be fixed

[mike2223312]

correct me if im wrong but

mage > fighter
fighter > archer
archer > mage
cleric > all?

[smitske]

you absolutely dont know a thing about a cleric.

[JerichoCrost]

O_o;

Clerics are not over powered, trust me. Let me put it his way...

Every class has their own profession right? A fighter is to step in and debuff enemies and protect his buddies, hence he has a lot health and defense but may lack in other areas. A mage is there to get the job done, he is there to make sure the monsters die as quick as possible before they do any more damage. An archer is there to assist the group, he poisons and bleeds his enemies causing a never stopping combo of DoT with fast attack speed, hence them being the real DPS. And now we have clerics, he is there to assist and buff his party to increase the maximum possibility of survival of his party.

If other classes are allowed party buffs and self buffs and heals and what not, wouldn't that make playing a cleric totally useless? They are not over powered, why do you think we only have two attack skills all the way to level 79? Considering that one doesn't even do status effect and only deals about 30 more damage than our normal attack. So we really only have 1 attack skill, Bash.

I can argue that clerics should get a new attack skill and Trip and Bleed should deal status effect. The thing is, every class has his own profession. Considering your chart, I've notice that you say cleric is balanced in every category which I would say it's false. But lets look at it like this, would you have a character who is very good in doing what they do or an overall balanced character that doesn't really do very good in one area but overall tap into every other ability. I'd choose the character that is very good at doing one thing. I stand by that because Fighter's tank, Mage's kill things, Archers kill more things, and Clerics heal. This also depends on the character's build and how they want to play their character's profession as.

And trust me after partying with lv75+ archers and mages, at that level those two classes start to become balance among one another again. Not like at lv60. Heck I was in a party with two 75+ Archers and we kill just about as quick as Nova and Inferno.

But all classes has their reason for having the skills and stats they have. Clerics aren't overpowered and being the Soloist that I am, I can tell you it takes me quite a while to kill things.

EDIT: Archers gets more HP than clerics.

EDIT2: PVP.

Way back when oh who knows, you know when cap was 59? Killing a cleric in PVP is almost always impossible. They need a lot of people to gang upon the unfortunate individual to kill him. But now at 70+ a cleric is an easy target to kill! Trust me it is crazy how clerics go down the drain in PVP. We get party buffs but we don't get any self buffs, no attack skills, no protection skills for us alone.

I've fought many different classes, and sadly I'd lost most of every round. Why, because the only weapon we've ever got to defend ourselves was Heal and it seems that it will always be Heal. But other classes can easily over power that Heal ability of ours with their ever increasing in attack skills and physical and magical attacks.

I fought a fighter, he stuns me up to 7 seconds spam his 5+ attack/debuff skills... I'm dead.

I fought a mage, casts two times fear on me, does insane amount of damage... I'm dead.

I fought an archer, poison, bleed, venom, AOE-Poison, all stacked upon me also with their skill to speed up their attack... I can't even remove any of these with my Cure skill... I am dead.

I run up to a fighter, stun... I am done. I run up to a Mage or Archer to execute my awesome BASH! ...wait I'm already dead! =(

Don't ever plan on winning someone in a PVP at your level if you're not a STR cleric. You won't have a chance. Period.

[smitske]

now he knows something about clerics

[XelveX]

now he knows something about clerics

Uh-huh uh-huh ^^

Played cleric for about 3 1/2 months now and HE DEFINITELY knows what he is talking about. And we don;t get magic damage >.> its still physical damage even though trip/bleed looks like its magic.