Just what I think

[WolfAngel9414]

I think the cap for BR should just be lv 40+. Ok,so, tons of noobs got lv 30+ instantly, but we can't really help that. This will probably sound like I'm just complaining, but I among many NEED the exp from that quest. It isn't fair that so many people got it when others didn't. Now I'm being told that if you are below lv 60 you will be deleted if you even enter Burning Rock. All I'm saying is lower the cap so that we can get something from this like all those noobs did. They're lv 30+ and don't even know what their doing now. For those of us who made lv 40+ on our own, we want the little lvl or so it gives us.

[WolfAngel9414]

My friend knew a guy who was lv 15, once he completed that quest, he was lv 40. For the entirety of my time in Fiesta I have just now gotten lv 43, and he'll be right behind me in less than a day. I'm sorry, but I just don't think that's right.

[LostHorn]

I agree!

Took me months to get my fighter up to lvl 42, and now this guys gets to lvl 40 in one hour? o.O how fair is that? I know power leveling is allowed in Fiesta, but we're not talking about plvling here, it's almost cheating!

I think we deserve something in return! AT LEAST let the lvl 40+ finish the quest, so we can get around lvl 44-45!

[WolfAngel9414]

Yay! Someone who agrees! lol
My fiance got lv 48 to 50, he was ecstatic, he'd worked so hard to lvl.
NOOBS however haven't even begun to understand grinding for hours to get a lvl.
The instant 30+ is ridiculous

[Nyoro]

Indeed, i find it sad to hear that one can jump from 1-39 from this quest... I've played for 5 months and have reached 54 recently. It probably took me about 3 or 4 months before i got to level 40. 1.3 million xp is insufficently to level me more than once max. I believe i require 1.5 mil to level.

>.> all my days grinding and shouting in collapsed prision for a parties have gone to waste.

[WolfAngel9414]

I totally agree :(
Us higher lvls should get something!

[Zelkova]

I think maybe they should just take the quest out alltogether. Problem solved.

Then we can all be happy and go back to shouting for parties. =D Lol.

[footballfranklin]

I agree also. i never liked some1 that likes taking the easy way out when others worked hard in getting where they r now.

[lewellyn]

I think maybe they should just take the quest out alltogether. Problem solved.

Then we can all be happy and go back to shouting for parties. =D Lol.

Nah, they should leave BR open to all levels, and make the quest only available to the "appropriate" levels. :p If some cleric really wants to rev a level 1 noob all the way to BR to get less-than-stellar EXP, I say go for it. At least the plvler is likely skilled enough to not run around with 5 fire spirits trained, then dying on a party that knew their limit on pulling and kills them... Plus there won't be as many people training practically every aggro-able mob in FoS, killing everyone around when they finally can't HP stone in time. :mad:

Yeah, I think BR is an interesting challenge for a high-40s cleric to heal in with a skilled AOE pt. The EXP isn't the best, but it's better than Goblin Camp... And dying is far more than an annoyance in BR, due to the long return trip... So, the risks and rewards will keep the unskilled players away (for the most part), making the place far less like the zoo it's been.

And for those who are upset that their "friends" got to do the quest and you didn't... Keep in mind one thing: when the quest is supposed to be available for your level, you're going to level through that one faster. They'll be stuck grinding that 1Mil EXP... And I bet they'll even be upset at the 630K+ needed to complete even level 47. (Esp if they started as like a level 30 before the quest!)

[HaRrPoOn]

Nah, they should leave BR open to all levels, and make the quest only available to the "appropriate" levels. :p If some cleric really wants to rev a level 1 noob all the way to BR to get less-than-stellar EXP, I say go for it. At least the plvler is likely skilled enough to not run around with 5 fire spirits trained, then dying on a party that knew their limit on pulling and kills them... Plus there won't be as many people training practically every aggro-able mob in FoS, killing everyone around when they finally can't HP stone in time. :mad:

Yeah, I think BR is an interesting challenge for a high-40s cleric to heal in with a skilled AOE pt. The EXP isn't the best, but it's better than Goblin Camp... And dying is far more than an annoyance in BR, due to the long return trip... So, the risks and rewards will keep the unskilled players away (for the most part), making the place far less like the zoo it's been.

And for those who are upset that their "friends" got to do the quest and you didn't... Keep in mind one thing: when the quest is supposed to be available for your level, you're going to level through that one faster. They'll be stuck grinding that 1Mil EXP... And I bet they'll even be upset at the 630K+ needed to complete even level 47. (Esp if they started as like a level 30 before the quest!)

well i just think it should be a lvl 55+.... uruga itself should be 45+ i think

[lewellyn]

well i just think it should be a lvl 55+.... uruga itself should be 45+ i think

If Uru's 45+, they have to remove quests starting at around level 35... And one of those quest chains is like 1 of 2 you get for the level. That sucks :P

[HaRrPoOn]

If Uru's 45+, they have to remove quests starting at around level 35... And one of those quest chains is like 1 of 2 you get for the level. That sucks :P

i dont mind, i still think so. just gettign anoyed at lvl 1 farmers running around

[UndEaD.LeGaCy.]

No man....i beg to differ.....i've worked hard for this exp....and they cant possibly remove my reward just like that...it's totally unfair =.=
zzzzz....

[Bjorli]

No man....i beg to differ.....i've worked hard for this exp....and they cant possibly remove my reward just like that...it's totally unfair =.=
zzzzz....

Not unfair rly, you werent supposed to get the quest in the first place..

[ThatDarnCat]

No man....i beg to differ.....i've worked hard for this exp....and they cant possibly remove my reward just like that...it's totally unfair =.=
zzzzz....
Then you shouldn't have abused the bug. Outspark gets to decide what is and isn't fair and since you're not paying them any money for what you got they can take it away at any time. If that's so unfair, quit.

[LAST_GATE]

hmm the quest did nuthin for me but noobs lvling in 1 hour shouldn't be allowed!!

[WolfAngel9414]

The main thing bothering me right now is that anyone who went and completed the quest but did not redeem it can just go get their rewards once the patch is over.
Or at least that's what I gathered from all the questions and answers given in SKiNG's thread. =/

I got my reward for this quest literally MINUTES before that patch. If I'd waited a moment, I would've been able to keep it, ne?

[lewellyn]

That's one of 2 concerns I have. Free Stat Points/Job Change (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49361) also concerns me. They end up even more over-powered with this "solution"... I certainly don't want to be fighting people who got their free Job Change points twice, let alone on top of level 1-40 stat points twice...

[WolfAngel9414]

Yea, if we just lost our exp and such it wouldn't bother me so much as the new race of super noobs -.- That's 39 extra points for them!! Fiesta is so screwed up rite now.

[Bby_Tracyy]

people SHOULD have known it wasn't supposed to be out because they would have announcements. so it's your OWN fault for not relizing that. bye bye [: everything answered

[WolfAngel9414]

Well SORRY I didn't see any annoucements. All I heard was that BR was open and we could do the quests.

[lewellyn]

people SHOULD have known it wasn't supposed to be out because they would have announcements. so it's your OWN fault for not relizing that. bye bye [: everything answered

GM Dakkon in BR sure seems like an indication that things are open, to me. :p As I've said in other threads, some of us really liked the idea of a change of scenery and the challenge of new mobs. The quest was a bonus. And we certainly weren't told to not do it. :P

[WolfAngel9414]

*throws arms up* Thank you Teq! lol
We weren't ever told NOT to do them and seeing as how we aren't psychic we couldn't tell this was going to happen.

[lewellyn]

Exactly. Every indication was that though the area seemed too "easy" (one likely explanation given was the sheer number of people keeping the mobs down), the only "weird" thing was the quest. But, again, that quest has been acceptable for ages. So, it's not exactly news that people would be doing it when the area opened...

And I stand by my opinion that high-powered low-level noobs are worse than under-powered higher-level noobs. :p Think the level 20 mages and fighters in Uru were bad before? Wait till they start pointing out their armor stats... :rolleyes:

[LAST_GATE]

*sigh* so much complaining ><

[lewellyn]

*sigh* so much complaining ><

I'm not complaining as much as expressing frustration over the repeated mishandling of issues by Outspark.

Their M.O. seems to be "stay quiet about issues, then bring down the servers with little notice for a few hours, repeat until issue 'goes away'", and that really irritates people.

In this case, Dakkon could have said something when everyone was in front of his "shroom", at the least. There could have been a notice saying that the quest is bugged and not to do it, else there would be penalties. They could have closed the gate and teleported everyone out. They could have brought the server down early in the day to at least remove the quest and mitigate some of the issue.

There have been many comparisons made to "other" MMORPGs tonight... The biggest difference with them versus Fiesta is that while Outspark is not only silent on issues, they don't work to "cut the losses" quickly enough. As I pointed out, in this case, they had a variety of options available. Considering all the chatter about the quest in shout, and a GM present, I can't imagine they were unaware of the issue until fairly late. And, even if an hourly notice is annoying, it'd keep people apprised of the situation so they'd know not to bother with the "magic" quest.

So, yeah. If I bother continue playing Fiesta (between the 1.2.79 patch issues and the maintenance downtime the past couple days, I've lost almost a week's worth of play time...), I'm certainly not interested in spending any "real" money on this game until Outspark is more on the ball. And in numerous conversations tonight, over various forms of communication, quite a few people who have purchased SparkCash are regretting the decision. There are a few who are requesting chargebacks from their credit card issuers due to "nondelivery of services" (a difficult thing for the merchant to disprove, especially with documentation like the forum activity tonight!) and a few who have contacted PayPal for the same reason.

The irony is that, the last time I had to deal with such a situation on the business end, PayPal automatically blocks accounts with an excessive number of chargeback in a short period of time (to cover their exposure to risk). So, if enough people get chargebacks from PayPal and their credit card companies, Outspark may find themselves without a way of collecting income...

That, most certainly, is not their desired end-goal, but it's entirely possible to come about as people become frustrated that they can't use their cash items for the reasons they were purchased, or for the time they were purchased.

Outspark gave no indication that people would be unable to continue grinding mobs in BR... And that certainly annoys some people who purchased the Leveling Pack and can't use their 2 hour items...

And I know that there are people quitting, including a couple of high-level players. They aren't really affected by the rollback, but they're tired of Outspark's handling of situtations.

Again, not complaining. Just pointing out the very valid frustrations that are going around. Note that most of the people venting aren't the ones most affected. Indeed, most were level 40+ to begin with. The ones who most profited from this issue will profit more from the fix, even with the latest updates, and have no real reason to complain... And that is what upsets a lot of "higher-level" players.

[LAST_GATE]

Wow dun really care if people get mad or not so they can stop playing or suck it up!

[lewellyn]

And lots of people apparently will stop playing. And will be requesting refunds on the money they've spent. That doesn't help Outspark at all, and hurts you as well as everyone left (especially if you don't buy SparkCash). The fewer skilled players, and the fewer players providing income to Outspark, the less they can afford to provide to enhance the game. And, as I pointed out, a sufficient number of chargebacks can seriously hamper their ability to do business as they do now.

[LAST_GATE]

Oh almost forgot if u didn't read the new announcment u might learn SOMETHING!!!

[lewellyn]

I suspect that you mean this announcement. (As of this moment, it's the latest on outspark.com)

Delay in Maintenance *Please Read Posted by : SKiNG | 02-28-2008 Attention Players,

Maintenance will be delayed 2 hours.

We recognize the imbalance that the next patch may cause and we want to take every precaution possible to make sure all is fair.

Burning Rock will be closed (This was not intended to be open at this time)

If you did not complete a Burning Rock quest, you are not affected.

If you completed a Burning Rock quest, below is how you are affected:
- Exp acquired while "grinding" in Burning Rock will NOT be removed
- Newly acquired Skills will not be saved if skill is above your level
- Stats will not save if your level is lower than the stats accumalated exceeds the level allowed
- Money spent on skills will be refunded.
- Armor/Weapons bought that are equipped will remain equipped and usable until un-equipped. Once un-equipped, you will be required to meet the level requirement.

We apologize for the inconvenience and lengthy maintenance but it is required in order to "make things right". As usual, we thank you for your continute patience.

Thank you,
-Outspark Staff

If you read carefully, you'll notice that this announcement is fairly irrelevant to my posts, and to wolf's. It doesn't note a single thing about what will be done with people's 2 hour items, and essentially explains how the low-level characters who caused the biggest issue make out like bandits. (As long as they don't unequip their items!) The only thing which MAY make it fair is if the 45s is deducted after skills are refunded... And the post doesn't make it clear if that's the case. If not, then we're going to have rich, highly powerful, hard-to-hit newbies roaming areas above their levels, still. (I wish I could have soloed FoM at level 10!) In any case, there will be overly-geared low-levels floating around and causing trouble for a while...

[HaRrPoOn]

And lots of people apparently will stop playing. And will be requesting refunds on the money they've spent. That doesn't help Outspark at all, and hurts you as well as everyone left (especially if you don't buy SparkCash). The fewer skilled players, and the fewer players providing income to Outspark, the less they can afford to provide to enhance the game. And, as I pointed out, a sufficient number of chargebacks can seriously hamper their ability to do business as they do now.

i dont know who you are, but seriously if you are gonna leave because of this and ask for cash back.... you seriously need to get counciling. you play this game free, and you pay for things in this game from your own interest.

do you see the GM's saying you need to pay to play? do you see the GM's abusing their powers? GM's are doing their best. They are also actaully really active and HELP!! yes now and then they make stupid decisions, but hey we are all just people. im pretty sure they will think this "every decision you make has conciquences" and you are just one of them.

enjoy this free game and stop complaining about a FREE game. if you dont like it stuff you and leave. i am a proud cash user myself and i dont care if thats gonna lvl me down. i still love the game and the GM's are one of the BEST in all game world

[LAST_GATE]

lets try this one!

Attention Players,

Maintenance will be delayed 1 more hour. We will return service at 4am (pst). Users who have premium items, your item's time length will be extended.

We recognize the imbalance that the next patch may cause and we want to take every precaution possible to make sure all is fair.

Burning Rock will be closed (This was not intended to be open at this time)

If you did not complete a Burning Rock quest, you are not affected.

If you completed a Burning Rock quest, below is how you are affected:
- Exp acquired while "grinding" in Burning Rock will NOT be removed
- Newly acquired Skills will not be saved if skill is above your level
- Stats will not save if your level is lower than the stats accumalated exceeds the level allowed
- Money spent on skills will be refunded.
- Armor/Weapons bought that are equipped will remain equipped and usable until un-equipped. Once un-equipped, you will be required to meet the level requirement.

We apologize for the inconvenience and lengthy maintenance but it is required in order to "make things right". As usual, we thank you for your continute patience.

Thank you,
-Outspark Staff

[lewellyn]

i dont know who you are, but seriously if you are gonna leave because of this and ask for cash back.... you seriously need to get counciling. you play this game free, and you pay for things in this game from your own interest.

do you see the GM's saying you need to pay to play? do you see the GM's abusing their powers? GM's are doing their best. They are also actaully really active and HELP!! yes now and then they make stupid decisions, but hey we are all just people. im pretty sure they will think this "every decision you make has conciquences" and you are just one of them.

enjoy this free game and stop complaining about a FREE game. if you dont like it stuff you and leave. i am a proud cash user myself and i dont care if thats gonna lvl me down. i still love the game and the GM's are one of the BEST in all game world

I've specifically noted in many threads that I'm glad that I've never paid for SparkCash. However, many people do. And I've held conversations with a number tonight who are seriously thinking of quitting based on Outspark's repeated mishandling of issues.

I don't have issues with losing my EXP and the few silver from the quest. I have issues with the imbalances which will result from this, and the extreme lack of communication. I can think of no way one can argue that they "didn't know" until they announced the emergency maintenance.

I'm simply trying to offer a fair and balanced summary of what many players have told me tonight. Almost every post on this subject is filled with vitriol, and yours is of little exception.

Also, note that SKiNG said that this is not the GMs' decision, but solely his. So, I fail to see how your argument about the GMs is relevant. I simply noted that their presence early on was taken as a sign of legitimacy, and that their silence was more harmful than helpful.

Anyhow, this is wolfie's thread so I'm done here till she posts again.

[HaRrPoOn]

I've specifically noted in many threads that I'm glad that I've never paid for SparkCash. However, many people do. And I've held conversations with a number tonight who are seriously thinking of quitting based on Outspark's repeated mishandling of issues.

I don't have issues with losing my EXP and the few silver from the quest. I have issues with the imbalances which will result from this, and the extreme lack of communication. I can think of no way one can argue that they "didn't know" until they announced the emergency maintenance.

I'm simply trying to offer a fair and balanced summary of what many players have told me tonight. Almost every post on this subject is filled with vitriol, and yours is of little exception.

Also, note that SKiNG said that this is not the GMs' decision, but solely his. So, I fail to see how your argument about the GMs is relevant. I simply noted that their presence early on was taken as a sign of legitimacy, and that their silence was more harmful than helpful.

Anyhow, this is wolfie's thread so I'm done here till she posts again.

where does sk say this? also i dont care what otehrs think. they cannot get refund and if they want to quit from that then do so. you too, if oyu dont like it move on. nothing will ever be perfect, so stop complaining. you think they dont know about the issues you tell them? they are the ones whomake the last decision so stop being a critic and enjoy the game

[HaRrPoOn]

I've specifically noted in many threads that I'm glad that I've never paid for SparkCash. However, many people do. And I've held conversations with a number tonight who are seriously thinking of quitting based on Outspark's repeated mishandling of issues.

I don't have issues with losing my EXP and the few silver from the quest. I have issues with the imbalances which will result from this, and the extreme lack of communication. I can think of no way one can argue that they "didn't know" until they announced the emergency maintenance.

I'm simply trying to offer a fair and balanced summary of what many players have told me tonight. Almost every post on this subject is filled with vitriol, and yours is of little exception.

Also, note that SKiNG said that this is not the GMs' decision, but solely his. So, I fail to see how your argument about the GMs is relevant. I simply noted that their presence early on was taken as a sign of legitimacy, and that their silence was more harmful than helpful.

Anyhow, this is wolfie's thread so I'm done here till she posts again.

where does sk say this? also i dont care what otehrs think. they cannot get refund and if they want to quit from that then do so. you too, if oyu dont like it move on. nothing will ever be perfect, so stop complaining. you think they dont know about the issues you tell them? they are the ones whomake the last decision so stop being a critic and enjoy the game

[Kaiza]

I am for that BR should be lvl 70+ but at least its ok if lvl 60+ because lvl 5x nearly die 1hko by most mobs there...

[WolfAngel9414]

Aiieee so many flames >.>
*sigh*

Look idc if I wasn't supposed to do the quest, as far as I knew I could because so many others were as well and there weren't any notices telling us not to. A lot of people don't care at all because they didn't lose a thing.

As Tequila said, Dakkon should have said SOMETHING, considering he was planted in BR around tons of people doing the quest. Would've saved us all the trouble.

[KateeHellen]

Why everyone expect that GMs will anounce 5 hour early emergency maintanance or will tell about any in game issues.
Emergency mean sudden and unplan, beside everyone who did this quest are same guilty as Outspark who aparently oversee this bug< i think they were more concentrate on elimination relog bug>.
Many posts on other threads pointed that this quest was avilabile since december<what is true> and in quest descryption was write LEVEL 79 QUEST.
But when oportunity emerged almoust half Fiesta population<i jugde this from counts of posts about this issue>rush to make this quest dont looking on consequences of thier action.
Taking aside all Hyper leveling, skills, weapons/armour issues, when you do this quest on any low as 79 level you wont get him back after reach 79.
Once done he wont emerge again and is lost in time when most needed... so i really hope for all who rush so haste do this quest Outspark reset quest log making this quest again avilabile for people who already do this quest AFTER they reach 79.