Petition against Sparkcash Item Only Discrimination

[Cladnestina]

As we all know, now there are more events for people with certain Outspark items than there is with the less forunate that cannot afford to buy/are not allowed to buy sparkcash. This is completely unfair. Sure, there are many things like hunting and stuff that you can do for non-sparkcash users, but you basically can't do any fun events anymore!

They're discriminating against us. Saying that we can't do this and this and that just because we don't have sparkcash? It's just inconsiderate and rude.

[MetallicaX]

No, its not rude and selfish, its how they make their money. It costs money to keep the game's servers up, so be thankful you can play for free.

[Cladnestina]

But still... Like 9/10 of the events are only for players with Sparkcash. I mean, I do like this game and I hope it does continue to run and get improvements and stuff, but this game is basically turning into either you fight and chat OR you buy a ton of Sparkcash to particapate in most of the events.

[MetallicaX]

Most of the events are just fighting monsters that drop more items, or PVP. Other than that there isn't much. I don't have a whole lotta money to spend on sparkcash items, but I'm thankful I don't have to pay to play the game itself, and for the events that are actually free.

[sasuke8]

But still... Like 9/10 of the events are only for players with Sparkcash. I mean, I do like this game and I hope it does continue to run and get improvements and stuff, but this game is basically turning into either you fight and chat OR you buy a ton of Sparkcash to particapate in most of the events.

I wouldn't say 9/10 of it lol, theres a few but in overall contrast it is definatly not that high of a percentage (90%).

[csr_hal]

you know, i asked the GM about the cost to get in the event... he told me all you got to spend is like one dollar. just one dollar. just about anyone can afford that. that's not that much :-)

[Cladnestina]

Doesn't matter if it was 1 cent... My parent's wont allow me to spend a half penny on any game whatsoever.

[thrakx]

plus minimum buy is 5$ man. You even know that so why would you say something like
"rider told me this"
and its only a dollar anyway.

Its not about the money to me HAL. I have money I can spend money. If you guys included the rest of us who spend money on sparkcash, I wouldnt even have cared, rider could have handed out a tux to people, with the wrong item just to say
"hey thanks for spending money on us"
but he wont You didnt and that is a slap in the face. You have to know the difference its not that hard.

[dylanangel]

I think it's wrong period. There are lots of people buying the sparkcash items and not just for the events.

[Shahared]

Sorry you couldn't attend the events. Fiesta has had Cash-Shop related events for months, and while it may seem unfair, please understand that without our community's monetary support, Outspark would cease to exist. They constantly strive to provide a great gaming experience for all players and their games are still free to play with no subscription cost or initial retail price. In the future, they plan to mix up Cash-Shop related events and non-Cash-Shop related events however for specific special events such as today's Birthday Event, there are certain entry requirements. Thank you for your understanding.

Regards,
Shahared

[dylanangel]

Sorry you couldn't attend the events. Fiesta has had Cash-Shop related events for months, and while it may seem unfair, please understand that without our community's monetary support, Outspark would cease to exist. They constantly strive to provide a great gaming experience for all players and their games are still free to play with no subscription cost or initial retail price. In the future, they plan to mix up Cash-Shop related events and non-Cash-Shop related events however for specific special events such as today's Birthday Event, there are certain entry requirements. Thank you for your understanding.

Regards,
Shahared

OMG your quoting an ALREADY played out post. Please be original

[trigonicus]

It is very amusing to watch how people react to this event.
and how SoS react to people reactions.

"I am White Fang and I approved this message!":cool:

[Fireslinger]

ok, this needs to end...

we went over ALL of this back in the closed thread, went through how unfair it is to those without sparkcash, and went over how we were upset with Outspark, yada, yada, yada, yada...

dont you feel like you are going around in circles?

I made a SINGLE post about this issue, and got a very prompt response from CSR Hal... and just as I ranted about our thoughts and feelings, he had the right to respond in any fashion that he chose, and he DID respond, in a kind, professional, RESPECTFUL manner... and yet I watched as he got FLAMED for taking a position on something that was, depsite how you all feel, beyond his control. Those at Outspark are trying their hardest, and after having direct contact with a member of the Outspark staff about the issue, I believe we all need to understand that there is NOTHING they can do about this particular situation. Maybe in the future, they will see the outrage spawned by making a story-line event limited to those with sparkcash, but as of right now, we need to LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE... the event is over, has been, and we all need to realize that THIS TOPIC IS DEAD, so stop BEATING A DEAD HORSE...

I was originally as mad about this as were many others in this community, but I am extremely disappointed in how we as a community handled this... we made the threads, they responded, and we do nothing but flame and ridicule?

we should be ashamed of ourselves as a community for treating CSR Hal and Sharhared like we have, when all they did was try and quell something that they had no control over...

dont take this post wrong, I side with no one, I think that Outspark made a real blunder here on the "Adeline" event, but then, after watching how we as a community responded, I am equally disappointed at the lack of poise and maturity...

Lets try and rectify this as a whole, we're such a great community, so lets do our best to try and show it!

again, my two cents...

Cheers!

[bearbugs010]

You're right fire:)

[devilnexus]

I Actually Believe that closing up some of the general events for sparkcash users is fine. Support the game, and the game will improve, that is obvious. But Restricting us from attending events that advance the Storyline, that get's slighty annoying. Allow the Story to be shared with the general public, and the general events to go as they are now.

PS. I didn't vote.

[dylanangel]

I am offended being called immature. No where have I or many others been immature. I am ALLOWED to state my opinion just as the GM's are. Its not a flame to call them out on something that is wrong. If I called them a bunch of choice words then I would be flaming them.

I am in NO way disappointed in the community for having the GUTS to voice their dissatisfaction in ONE event. You people act like we are bugging out about everything.

[thrakx]

[QUOTE=Fireslinger;430658]ok, this needs to end...

we went over ALL of this back in the closed thread, went through how unfair it is to those without sparkcash, and went over how we were upset with Outspark, yada, yada, yada, yada...

dont you feel like you are going around in circles?

I made a SINGLE post about this issue, and got a very prompt response from CSR Hal... and just as I ranted about our thoughts and feelings, he had the right to respond in any fashion that he chose, and he DID respond, in a kind, professional, RESPECTFUL manner... and yet I watched as he got FLAMED for taking a position on something that was, depsite how you all feel, beyond his control. Those at Outspark are trying their hardest, and after having direct contact with a member of the Outspark staff about the issue, I believe we all need to understand that there is NOTHING they can do about this particular situation. Maybe in the future, they will see the outrage spawned by making a story-line event limited to those with sparkcash, but as of right now, we need to LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE... the event is over, has been, and we all need to realize that THIS TOPIC IS DEAD, so stop BEATING A DEAD HORSE...

I was originally as mad about this as were many others in this community, but I am extremely disappointed in how we as a community handled this... we made the threads, they responded, and we do nothing but flame and ridicule?

we should be ashamed of ourselves as a community for treating CSR Hal and Sharhared like we have, when all they did was try and quell something that they had no control over...

dont take this post wrong, I side with no one, I think that Outspark made a real blunder here on the "Adeline" event, but then, after watching how we as a community responded, I am equally disappointed at the lack of poise and maturity...

Lets try and rectify this as a whole, we're such a great community, so lets do our best to try and show it!

again, my two cents...

Cheers!

[QUOTE]



I thought you were better than a suck-up fire, I really did. This post proves to me, however that you are no better than the rest of them, and thats super disappointing.

[catry]

I thought you were better than a suck-up fire, I really did. This post proves to me, however that you are no better than the rest of them, and thats super disappointing.

I'm pretty sure you just proved fire's point with that reply...no offense but did you actually read what he said? Oo

[dylanangel]

I'm pretty sure you just proved fire's point with that reply...no offense but did you actually read what he said? Oo

hmmm I don't see a point proven. But thats just me.


I didn't know you were Nero's little sis. Awww to cute

[Fireslinger]

I am offended being called immature. No where have I or many others been immature. I am ALLOWED to state my opinion just as the GM's are. Its not a flame to call them out on something that is wrong. If I called them a bunch of choice words then I would be flaming them.

I am in NO way disappointed in the community for having the GUTS to voice their dissatisfaction in ONE event. You people act like we are bugging out about everything.


I am offended being called immature. No where have I or many others been immature. I am ALLOWED to state my opinion just as the GM's are. Its not a flame to call them out on something that is wrong. If I called them a bunch of choice words then I would be flaming them.

I am in NO way disappointed in the community for having the GUTS to voice their dissatisfaction in ONE event. You people act like we are bugging out about everything.

dylanangel- You missed my point entirely... I dont mean to offend, look a bit deeper than that. I meant to INFORM the community of what I see. And what others see. And as someone in the community who is active in the forums, and has a lot of interaction with other members of the in-game community, i recieved a lot of feedback about this... all I did was sum up my feelings, as well as the feelings of others I have spoken to. My point about the jabs at the CSR's and CL's still stands, they WERE immature and childish. Anyone with any degree of sense can see that. I never specifically pointed anyone out, nor will I, so any offense taken toward me is unfounded.

thrakx- I took no sides. I didnt "suck up" in any way. Just because you feel one way, means you dont have to respect the other? THAT is immaturity. Respect is given to both sides, regardless of who or what they believe in. I mentioned in my post, that I do not have a side to choose, because I beleive both are at fault at some way, yet both have valid points. Do not ridicule me for taking an objective opinion, just because you feel you are right and everyone else is wrong. I did nothing but make a completely unbiased post, taking no sides, only pointing out that there are some real issues to be addressed. I felt that certain things said toward the CSR's and CL's were wrong, and I pointed them out, that isnt sucking up, its called taking responsibility. Something that as a father, a friend, and a fellow player, I do on a daily basis.

DO NOT point a finger at me again, as it will not be met kindly. I mean no one any disrespect or harm, but I highly suggest against making any snide or libelous comments toward me, especially when all i mean to do, is inform, not sway.

as for the community not bugging out... let me point something out...

go and count the number of threads about this... I was going to link them so you could see them, but there were just too many...

this is my last post about this, so lets just end it before it gets worse. I'm better than this, and so are the rest of us...

My two cents again!

Cheers!

[hanako808]

ok, this needs to end...

we went over ALL of this back in the closed thread, went through how unfair it is to those without sparkcash, and went over how we were upset with Outspark, yada, yada, yada, yada...

dont you feel like you are going around in circles?

I made a SINGLE post about this issue, and got a very prompt response from CSR Hal... and just as I ranted about our thoughts and feelings, he had the right to respond in any fashion that he chose, and he DID respond, in a kind, professional, RESPECTFUL manner... and yet I watched as he got FLAMED for taking a position on something that was, depsite how you all feel, beyond his control. Those at Outspark are trying their hardest, and after having direct contact with a member of the Outspark staff about the issue, I believe we all need to understand that there is NOTHING they can do about this particular situation. Maybe in the future, they will see the outrage spawned by making a story-line event limited to those with sparkcash, but as of right now, we need to LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE... the event is over, has been, and we all need to realize that THIS TOPIC IS DEAD, so stop BEATING A DEAD HORSE...

I was originally as mad about this as were many others in this community, but I am extremely disappointed in how we as a community handled this... we made the threads, they responded, and we do nothing but flame and ridicule?

we should be ashamed of ourselves as a community for treating CSR Hal and Sharhared like we have, when all they did was try and quell something that they had no control over...

dont take this post wrong, I side with no one, I think that Outspark made a real blunder here on the "Adeline" event, but then, after watching how we as a community responded, I am equally disappointed at the lack of poise and maturity...

Lets try and rectify this as a whole, we're such a great community, so lets do our best to try and show it!

again, my two cents...

Cheers!

Big bro Fire just said the truth...it is a bit immature for us to get angry over events for sparkcash users only...it's not like its their fault they have sparkcash or not...I myself don't have sparkcash but I'm not the least bit angry about it...just try to forget bout sparkcash and enjoy the game...and besides,Outspark needs money to keep the game up and running,and without money you can say goodbye to your high leveled characters....and please people stop using "those" words...

[LoyalFlush]

I believe what Fire means is that since the event's over and the GMs/CSL/CR...
mods will be mixing the future events between those with and without a Sparkcash item,
there's nothing to worry about really, not much left to do.
We can keep on ranting but that won't really change much.
I mean it's the past. Put it aside and enjoy yourselves, it's still Open Beta you know. ^^

I hope this solves something so that we can agree on it.
Although I'm not at all supporting that event because I myself don't use Sparkcash, the bottom line is they get the point.

[dylanangel]

Sorry fire but you can't post, run away, and expect us not to respond. Because I was the first to start a thread and respond to the GM's I feel as you are including me in the immature remark. If not then my apologies. Second yes there are other threads made but like I said about ONE event. Not many. So no we are not bugging out about all kinds of things. We are mad over ONE. I personally have seen around 5 or 6 (possibly less) threads over the issue so I don't see a bug out there either.

Like I already stated I am not going to quit this game because I love it and I love the people. I am entitled as a player to be angry over something and I am entitled as a member of this forum to voice that anger. Others are entitled to voice theirs as well. I have never felt like someone that a GM could give to sh*ts about in game because lets face it EVERY time I ask a question I am ignored so forgive me if I don't really have respect for someone who does not show me the same courtesy.

[thrakx]

[B]thrakx- I took no sides. I didnt "suck up" in any way. Just because you feel one way, means you dont have to respect the other? THAT is immaturity. Respect is given to both sides, regardless of who or what they believe in. I mentioned in my post, that I do not have a side to choose, because I beleive both are at fault at some way, yet both have valid points. Do not ridicule me for taking an objective opinion, just because you feel you are right and everyone else is wrong. I did nothing but make a completely unbiased post, taking no sides, only pointing out that there are some real issues to be addressed. I felt that certain things said toward the CSR's and CL's were wrong, and I pointed them out, that isnt sucking up, its called taking responsibility. Something that as a father, a friend, and a fellow player, I do on a daily basis.

DO NOT point a finger at me again, as it will not be met kindly. I mean no one any disrespect or harm, but I highly suggest against making any snide or libelous comments toward me, especially when all i mean to do, is inform, not sway.

as for the community not bugging out... let me point something out...

go and count the number of threads about this... I was going to link them so you could see them, but there were just too many...

this is my last post about this, so lets just end it before it gets worse. I'm better than this, and so are the rest of us...

My two cents again!

Cheers!

Dude, I have mucho respect for you. I just don't understand how you can sit there and say what you said ^^

You think the CSR's haven't acted immaturely?

See the post in my kidnapped princess thread-

battle got modded for NO REASON.

I will be the first to admit the my posts in the last half of the day have been emotional and abraisive- I never said I was right and "they" were wrong, I'm just an adult and I wont take being talked down to by some one I have paid money to, especially when they should treat me with some courtesy that I never get.

I never meant to come down on you fire, but when you agree with us, and then post something thats contradicitive like that it makes me sad.
I mean you're like a freaking hero and I always looked up to you for being impartial. now it seems your biased. Like one statement you support the argument of so many, and then hours later in the next you condemn us. IDK what to think about you anymore.

and that threat about how bad you are is just an ego-booster *** is that all about anyway? Come down on us like a tone of bricks for having an opinion?
You've changed man, it used to be about the exp.

Dont get me wrong I;ve got Much love for you Fire and I wish you well, I just feel like you rollin over cause the admin is against you and thats not something I understand, cause if I feel like im going to a good reason, I wont back down.

[Fireslinger]

Dude, I have mucho respect for you. I just don't understand how you can sit there and say what you said ^^

You think the CSR's haven't acted immaturely?

See the post in my kidnapped princess thread-

battle got modded for NO REASON.

I will be the first to admit the my posts in the last half of the day have been emotional and abraisive- I never said I was right and "they" were wrong, I'm just an adult and I wont take being talked down to by some one I have paid money to, especially when they should treat me with some courtesy that I never get.

I never meant to come down on you fire, but when you agree with us, and then post something thats contradicitive like that it makes me sad.
I mean you're like a freaking hero and I always looked up to you for being impartial. now it seems your biased. Like one statement you support the argument of so many, and then hours later in the next you condemn us. IDK what to think about you anymore.

and that threat about how bad you are is just an ego-booster *** is that all about anyway? Come down on us like a tone of bricks for having an opinion?
You've changed man, it used to be about the exp.

Dont get me wrong I;ve got Much love for you Fire and I wish you well, I just feel like you rollin over cause the admin is against you and thats not something I understand, cause if I feel like im going to a good reason, I wont back down.

Its not about contradicting, I just feel that the community should be aware of both sides. I only stated about people coming down on the CL's and CSR's because I believed it was wrong. It wasnt about sides for me, it was about right and wrong, and I believe that when something is wrong, it needs to be rectified.

Yes, I support the community in saying WTH, why cant we even come to a storyline event? As you pointed out, I'm an appointed hero of Xen, and to think that I could not attend the party of the very princess I am sworn to defend... that's lame. I got a kid, a place to support, and life to run, and as I stated, all I can really afford is goggles and those smexy ears I happen to have, I cant afford to buy specific things, only to wear them to one event.

But, after I made that post, some serious flaming went on. Complete with expletives (although deleted), and other such things. THAT is what i believed was wrong. And THAT is why I spoke. If we do not command respect, then how can we expect to be respected by those that deal with us? I believe that we need to open some serious lines of communication with those above us, and I think this will be a step in the right direction. (Forgive me for sounding at all fatherly there, its getting to be a habit)

Storyline events, I believe, should be enjoyed by all, that I believe whole-heartedly, and that is where Outspark needs some improvement. But couldnt we, as a player base, be more supportive of those who make this game when they make a mistake? (as we are fond of saying to those who are here for a few days and complain, "the game is in beta, we're still working out the bugs"). Forums may be for rantings and pointing out flaws, but I cannot condone disrespect, that was my whole point.

You and I, thrakx, we're a lot alike, and you also have my respect. I will admit, you made me a bit angry, but that gave me no excuse to make idle threats, and for that, you have my apologies. We're made of better stuff, eh?

So lets just bid this adieu, and leave it for others to debate. My fingers hurt from typing these long responses, and spamming the Magic Fire button all at once...

my LAST two cents on this...

Cheers!

[SnowDragon187]

I would rather pay to play the f'ing game and get all the stuff in the spark store as drops then it be free! Cuz if you think about it even if they charge you 20 bucks a month in the long run you would save money by getting the items as drops, and they would be perminet not only for a week or 30 days!!

[UltimateDude]

the item with a limitated time really is a joke
come one guys, you pay for a FILE that even expire ??? ***

[Hebitualiar]

Another thread consisting of fruitless discussion. This is really going nowhere.
Some people are taking things too much to heart, or do you simply love being this dramatic? <_>
Well, what can I say... sparkcash aside, at the time the most events are taking place it's night here for me... I guess I have all rights to complain now as although I could buy the items, I cannot participate in the events.
Maybe they should start bending the time for my benefits? ^^'

p.s. and although I think the game does have quite many faults, why to nag about every one of it?

[BattleAngelAlita]

If you stop complaining because you think thats immature or because we are going in a circle you won't get far...
sure, goining in a circle won't let us proceed anyway, but as long as it's a circle that rips deeper and deeper into a beasts flesh... maybe we will aquire our target...
and there is no denying in the fact that outsparks-prizing-politics makes outspark that evil beast which we are in a deadly struggle with, that already costed us one of our members and friends...

[UltimateDude]

we are fighting because we love SoS and we want to make it a better game
if we are here posting and posting MEANS that we care of this game
...thing that looks like gms don't

[BattleAngelAlita]

we are fighting because we love SoS and we want to make it a better game
if we are here posting and posting MEANS that we care of this game
...thing that looks like gms don't

Yes! it is a great game, and all we want is to make it better... AND FAIR!
Thats what we're fighting for...
It's working for its Xenepic-Counterpart... so why not for outspark???

of course GMs couldn't care less about... theyre getting their money...

[UltimateDude]

yea, notice a thing angel: if you start to pay for these items in SoS, this game f2p will cose more then a game p2p XD

[BattleAngelAlita]

yes and it shouldn't... look at p2p games... if you take part in ANY beta of an p2p game, you NEVER pay anything. Until it's released...
SoS is FAR from release... and you pay your pants off...
I wouldn't even care to "donate" some money to outspark-store if the prices were fair...

Did you ever play guildwars? It's one of the best MMORPG in the world and you don't need to pay a monthly fee. Of course you have the one-time payment for buying the game, but it's like buying any other game. And I've seen many FREE FLASH games better then SoS...

[UltimateDude]

yep saw guild wars before ^^ I usually play ffxi, 12$ each month but it's kinda all another story from how is SoS XD and if you wanna be great in sos you will spend more then 12$ each month lol

as you said an open beta with a payment already lol...is so funny XD

[BattleAngelAlita]

I'm a big fan of the FF series but I just don't want to pay every month.

..
Well it's not funny anymore... its ridiculous.

[UltimateDude]

yea, not only this is the wroste OB I have ever seen, but the gm team looks like that don't care anymore of us players...and this is will bring at the end of this game

[BattleAngelAlita]

You're absolutley right... the store, the crappy balance, the "lick-my-behind"-motivated, greedy staff, theyre all part of the end of this game... and its a pity because its got cuuute graphics ^-^ and nice people... and potentian which was used in Xenepic and crushed in SoS...

[Nixxy]

I think its fine, i thought it was fine when i didnt have sparkcash and now that i do i still think its fine.

There are still events which dont require sparkcash.

I dont agree with storyline events having to have sparkcash items though, they should do what they have done before, let everyone come but people who come in the items they want, get a little bonus.

[UltimateDude]

You're absolutley right... the store, the crappy balance, the "lick-my-behind"-motivated, greedy staff, theyre all part of the end of this game... and its a pity because its got cuuute graphics ^-^ and nice people... and potentian which was used in Xenepic and crushed in SoS...

yea, it's really a pity T_T but if gms don't care, sos will die for sure even before the official open. this could be a great game, a lots occasion in my opinion by outspark

[Jhanniss]

As we all know, now there are more events for people with certain Outspark items than there is with the less forunate that cannot afford to buy/are not allowed to buy sparkcash. This is completely unfair. Sure, there are many things like hunting and stuff that you can do for non-sparkcash users, but you basically can't do any fun events anymore!

They're discriminating against us. Saying that we can't do this and this and that just because we don't have sparkcash? It's just inconsiderate and rude.



Doesn't matter if it was 1 cent... My parent's wont allow me to spend a half penny on any game whatsoever.


For the kids crying about the whole Cash Shop, guess what helps keep the game up and running? Obviously money. Those who seem to have problems grasping this concept need to seriously, grow up. Can you pay to keep the servers up each month, pay the staff, and everything else that I won't bother to mention because it would probably be ignored as often happens....

Some of you are obviously are not grounded in the real world yet. Outspark is being inconsiderate and rude because they're hosting such events? Guess what... They're the ones paying to help keep the game free so you can continue to play it for what? Free. So why shouldn't they put more effort into the people who support to help keep the game running.

You can't get into events because its Cash Shop related? Sorry, as has been mentioned it only costs a dollar or two to gain entry. When you go clubbing in real life when you're old enough you'll understand that. I'd love to see you get into one without the cover charge. Thus is the events in here.

You know what would happen if the game died out? You'd move on to another game and wouldn't think a second thought about the staff of Outspark. Why? Because you don't care about them, you just want freebies and hand outs because mom and dad won't give you a dollar or two. That's not Outsparks fault.

Want more examples? Go ask your parents to buy you World of Warcraft. Oh wait, they have to pay $30-50 for the game client and THEN $15 a month additionally. Seriously, go ask them to do it for you and see what happens. Still think $1 sucks?

So here you are playing a game you downloaded for free, don't pay monthly fees on and aren't required to do anything to contribute to it. And yet you feel complaining and whining is the best thing for the game in regards to Outspark being "unfair and biased" towards people who don't contribute to keeping the game what it is: free.

[Cladnestina]

Fire T_T

Why'd you have to be so mean to me? I thought you were my big brother... you're supposed to be nice to me, not call me and everyone else trying to get a point through to the GMs names... *cries*

*Sniffle* It seems like all my good friends are turning on me and everyone else... All the GMs are denying that they did anything wrong and then so many people are siding with them... And then while the GMs just say "No we didn't do this, no, you misunderstand, blah blah blah" even my big brother is telling us to shut up and go along with it, and hurling insults at us at the same time... T_T

SoS is a GREAT game, and it has nice players, and I love it... But now it's not as good as it was anymore... If the GMs are going to ignore the non sparkcash users and my best friends are going to call me an immature brat, I'll quit.

*Runs of crying*

[UltimateDude]

the unfair thing is the fact that you have to pay for EXP and POTS, really these things are the base of the game (and kinda of all mmorpg) and you are telling me that is fair to buy pots + exp ? ok leaving these things here, I wanna buy a cool dress, after spending money *** it expire...so I have to keep buying it if I want it. We all know that the cash will keep the server up, but with this prices and with these item I'm sorry, but this is not the way to go. this game shoud be called free to login , pay to exp


It seems like all my good friends are turning on me and everyone else...

don't worry, people like me will keep to support the cause for the good of all the players. you are not alone

[BattleAngelAlita]

For the kids crying about the whole Cash Shop, guess what helps keep the game up and running? Obviously money. Those who seem to have problems grasping this concept need to seriously, grow up. Can you pay to keep the servers up each month, pay the staff, and everything else that I won't bother to mention because it would probably be ignored as often happens....

Some of you are obviously are not grounded in the real world yet. Outspark is being inconsiderate and rude because they're hosting such events? Guess what... They're the ones paying to help keep the game free so you can continue to play it for what? Free. So why shouldn't they put more effort into the people who support to help keep the game running.

(...)

You know what would happen if the game died out? You'd move on to another game and wouldn't think a second thought about the staff of Outspark. Why? Because you don't care about them, you just want freebies and hand outs because mom and dad won't give you a dollar or two. That's not Outsparks fault.
(...)

So here you are playing a game you downloaded for free, don't pay monthly fees on and aren't required to do anything to contribute to it. And yet you feel complaining and whining is the best thing for the game in regards to Outspark being "unfair and biased" towards people who don't contribute to keeping the game what it is: free.

Why did you spend so much time on such empty words?

I suppose we all know, what is needed to keep the server running. And thats not what we are complaining about. It's ok to pay for some events. But there are events that definetley should be free. How do you think the Guildwars servers ar kept running? There is no mothly fee nor are there shop items. All you do is buy the client, thats all. And Pay the staff?? for WHAT? For running around, talking senseless stuff and lying to the community? If there were signs of somewhat like develpoement of the game...in fact all they do is translating it.


They are rude hosting that events. Well maybe not rude... stupid. Storyline is something you want to experience INgame, not in forums.

We woudln't care about them because they don't care about us. And theyre digging their own graves.


You mean its free to suck on... but you pay to really play...
I have the money, I couldn't care less about. I could buy every item to go to every event, no problem. Not even complaining about. Compared to Xenepic the Clothes are even at the same price or cheaper. Thats one Point for Outspark. A big one.
BUT all the other stuff you really NEED, like exp boost, because the lvling is screwed, and some mp, hp buffs the don't even offer at the store, the pendants all stuff you can make good use of is just overprized. Plain Ususry... almost criminal...

[UltimateDude]

yea as I said manytime, exp and pots should be at the base and for this, aviable to ALL players. Wanna put on cash some power up? ok. Wanna put on cash some equip?ok. But guys come on, exp and pots by cash is simply insane, they put it in this way: or you buy these things or you can't go on in the game. And this means this game is not free, open your eyes guys !

[thrakx]

For the kids crying about the whole Cash Shop, guess what helps keep the game up and running? Obviously money. Those who seem to have problems grasping this concept need to seriously, grow up. Can you pay to keep the servers up each month, pay the staff, and everything else that I won't bother to mention because it would probably be ignored as often happens....

Some of you are obviously are not grounded in the real world yet. Outspark is being inconsiderate and rude because they're hosting such events? Guess what... They're the ones paying to help keep the game free so you can continue to play it for what? Free. So why shouldn't they put more effort into the people who support to help keep the game running.

You can't get into events because its Cash Shop related? Sorry, as has been mentioned it only costs a dollar or two to gain entry. When you go clubbing in real life when you're old enough you'll understand that. I'd love to see you get into one without the cover charge. Thus is the events in here.

You know what would happen if the game died out? You'd move on to another game and wouldn't think a second thought about the staff of Outspark. Why? Because you don't care about them, you just want freebies and hand outs because mom and dad won't give you a dollar or two. That's not Outsparks fault.

Want more examples? Go ask your parents to buy you World of Warcraft. Oh wait, they have to pay $30-50 for the game client and THEN $15 a month additionally. Seriously, go ask them to do it for you and see what happens. Still think $1 sucks?

So here you are playing a game you downloaded for free, don't pay monthly fees on and aren't required to do anything to contribute to it. And yet you feel complaining and whining is the best thing for the game in regards to Outspark being "unfair and biased" towards people who don't contribute to keeping the game what it is: free.

I love it when people don't pay attention to others. Like paying attention to what they actually say instead of generalizing it. LMAO

[Jhanniss]

Understandable but also know that GuildWars comes from serious backing, fiancially. The golden spoon was already in place prior to it being brought over here.

As for generalizing, the original poster did a great job of that. Assuming Outspark is some cash-tree mega-corp holding back on giving much to the freebie users and catering to the people who pay for stuff.

Ultimately if you don't like the game or how it's run you have two options:

1) Start your own company, make your own game, and do what you're continually going on about and see how long you last. I can tell you right now you wouldn't. But you're welcome to prove me wrong by going and doing it.

or

2) Leave this game and go find another one. Because if all you can do is assume and reflect negatively to the overall aspect of the company and its games, then there are better places for people like yourself. And that place is obviously not here.

Outspark is not the maker or creator of these games. Other companies are. They are leasing out. Given such, there are contracts Outspark has to follow and rules to keep towards the original owners of the game(s). Then again I recon I should stop going on as there seems to few who are able to grasp this part of things.

I could play these games and never use the Cash Shop. Oh, but then I wouldn't have all the glittery gear or fluffy exp bonuses. Those are luxuries not necessities.

You know I could use a brand new sports car but reality tells me I cannot afford such.

- Does not having such affect my happiness in life? Nope.

- Does not having access to a private club ruin my life because I refuse to pay to support them? Nope.

So why are so many of your lives affected by these virtual items?

[dylanangel]

For the kids crying about the whole Cash Shop, guess what helps keep the game up and running? Obviously money. Those who seem to have problems grasping this concept need to seriously, grow up. Can you pay to keep the servers up each month, pay the staff, and everything else that I won't bother to mention because it would probably be ignored as often happens....

Some of you are obviously are not grounded in the real world yet. Outspark is being inconsiderate and rude because they're hosting such events? Guess what... They're the ones paying to help keep the game free so you can continue to play it for what? Free. So why shouldn't they put more effort into the people who support to help keep the game running.

You can't get into events because its Cash Shop related? Sorry, as has been mentioned it only costs a dollar or two to gain entry. When you go clubbing in real life when you're old enough you'll understand that. I'd love to see you get into one without the cover charge. Thus is the events in here.

You know what would happen if the game died out? You'd move on to another game and wouldn't think a second thought about the staff of Outspark. Why? Because you don't care about them, you just want freebies and hand outs because mom and dad won't give you a dollar or two. That's not Outsparks fault.

Want more examples? Go ask your parents to buy you World of Warcraft. Oh wait, they have to pay $30-50 for the game client and THEN $15 a month additionally. Seriously, go ask them to do it for you and see what happens. Still think $1 sucks?

So here you are playing a game you downloaded for free, don't pay monthly fees on and aren't required to do anything to contribute to it. And yet you feel complaining and whining is the best thing for the game in regards to Outspark being "unfair and biased" towards people who don't contribute to keeping the game what it is: free.

FIRST I am old enough to understand because I RUN my own household. I am a grown adult and I also understand what the hell is right and wrong. Don't come in here preaching with the same old grow up posts. You sound EXTREMELY immature telling others to grow up.

SECOND maybe you should read up on what we are talking about before you open your mouth. We are stating ONE event. ONE!! I could care less if they made every freaking event and all the PvP a pay to come basis. I care that a storyline based on the game is a pay to go only.

[UltimateDude]

I could play these games and never use the Cash Shop. Oh, but then I wouldn't have all the glittery gear or fluffy exp bonuses. Those are luxuries not necessities.

dude, pots and exp is not a "luxurie" like you call them
they are at the base of the game
if you consider pots and exp loxuries well...better check up your priority

[Jhanniss]

FIRST I am old enough to understand because I RUN my own household. I am a grown adult and I also understand what the hell is right and wrong. Don't come in here preaching with the same old grow up posts. You sound EXTREMELY immature telling others to grow up.

SECOND maybe you should read up on what we are talking about before you open your mouth. We are stating ONE event. ONE!! I could care less if they made every freaking event and all the PvP a pay to come basis. I care that a storyline based on the game is a pay to go only.


There's Option number 2 in my list for you then. As for immature, the real subject to that debate is in the arguments being posted about these complaints towards how Outspark is choosing to run things and how the freebie people are not being included.

Telling someone to grow up is indeed a fact of life. You can grow older in life and raise your family, but maturing is optional. If you wish to facts sited on that you can look up articles games like Second Life, EverQuest, and even GuildWars where mothers and fathers are abandoning their relationships and children for the sake of a game. Now there's some off-topic for you go chew on. :P

[UltimateDude]

we are complaining not because we are immature, but because we care of this game and we want to try to make it better.

and really, if you judge immature ppl that complain for a right cause (even if for a game) you are the one that didn't understand anything

[Jhanniss]

And one last nugget of knowledge since we're far into left field already in here. Forum threads like these can be considered feedback. You're giving them feedback on your views towards how they are running things.

In the future, here's a link to the Feedback section:

http://www.outspark.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=47

[dylanangel]

There's Option number 2 in my list for you then. As for immature, the real subject to that debate is in the arguments being posted about these complaints towards how Outspark is choosing to run things and how the freebie people are not being included.

Telling someone to grow up is indeed a fact of life. You can grow older in life and raise your family, but maturing is optional. If you wish to facts sited on that you can look up articles games like Second Life, EverQuest, and even GuildWars where mothers and fathers are abandoning their relationships and children for the sake of a game. Now there's some off-topic for you go chew on. :P

I am finished posting to you. Obviously your only need in this thread is to insult others and you need to take your own advice about growing up. I don't know what your abandoning point means but make no mistake my family is VERY well taken care of and its EXTREMELY rude for you to EVER spit anything out of your hateful face about someone and their family when you have no idea what the hell your talking about. You assume that because people enjoy their free time with a game they are abandoning their family. There is a reason the first 3 letters in assume are *** because you just made yourself look like one. Troll back over to Fiesta

[BattleAngelAlita]

Hard to belive YOU are grown up Jhanniss...
I know that Outspark bought the rights of running this game on their own server.
Sure this company don't seem wealthy but the don't have to develop any game(which is the most expensive part), they just run the server and "support" it... sure they translate the quests and mess up everything because they think they can throw already working stuff over the rail and make better ones... but you need a little genius for that and Outspark has none.

Well you know what a RPG basically is? And how related it is to EXP? And having to buy EXP for cash cancels any "Free" in this game. Outspark changed the balance to crap just to be able to make much money... selling pots and ext and stuff... BASIC stuff for an rpg... and thats far from your luxuries...

And also you compare an MMORPG to your reallife, I would assume you have none...
because there is absolutles nothing in reallife you could compare to a friggin game. Then I guess you work for some royal family of somewho and go into the forest every day to kill animals which drop jewelery and money and stuff... ***?

[LordZeff]

dylanangel- You missed my point entirely... I dont mean to offend, look a bit deeper than that. I meant to INFORM the community of what I see. And what others see. And as someone in the community who is active in the forums, and has a lot of interaction with other members of the in-game community, i recieved a lot of feedback about this... all I did was sum up my feelings, as well as the feelings of others I have spoken to. My point about the jabs at the CSR's and CL's still stands, they WERE immature and childish. Anyone with any degree of sense can see that. I never specifically pointed anyone out, nor will I, so any offense taken toward me is unfounded.

thrakx- I took no sides. I didnt "suck up" in any way. Just because you feel one way, means you dont have to respect the other? THAT is immaturity. Respect is given to both sides, regardless of who or what they believe in. I mentioned in my post, that I do not have a side to choose, because I beleive both are at fault at some way, yet both have valid points. Do not ridicule me for taking an objective opinion, just because you feel you are right and everyone else is wrong. I did nothing but make a completely unbiased post, taking no sides, only pointing out that there are some real issues to be addressed. I felt that certain things said toward the CSR's and CL's were wrong, and I pointed them out, that isnt sucking up, its called taking responsibility. Something that as a father, a friend, and a fellow player, I do on a daily basis.

DO NOT point a finger at me again, as it will not be met kindly. I mean no one any disrespect or harm, but I highly suggest against making any snide or libelous comments toward me, especially when all i mean to do, is inform, not sway.

as for the community not bugging out... let me point something out...

go and count the number of threads about this... I was going to link them so you could see them, but there were just too many...

this is my last post about this, so lets just end it before it gets worse. I'm better than this, and so are the rest of us...

My two cents again!

Cheers!

.....You know I think what you're saying is totally true.
Us players and Outspark are both at fault but this problem should not be met this way. Why are we acting like immature babies? Cause we are not getting what we want. Remember this is only open beta...Things can change but if you all wont take a moment to stop and think about what you are doing why should outspark change anything for whiny babies like us?

Btw....*Points finger at fireslinger*

[Jhanniss]

I am finished posting to you. Obviously your only need in this thread is to insult others and you need to take your own advice about growing up. I don't know what your abandoning point means but make no mistake my family is VERY well taken care of and its EXTREMELY rude for you to EVER spit anything out of your hateful face about someone and their family when you have no idea what the hell your talking about. You assume that because people enjoy their free time with a game they are abandoning their family. There is a reason the first 3 letters in assume are *** because you just made yourself look like one. Troll back over to Fiesta


Speaking of hateful, you are eating what you shovel there. Two supposed "trolls" going back and forth.

In my post regarding families I made the generalization about such things. You took it upon yourself to make it personal and respond, so in that I will explain to you: it was not about you, but a generalization. If you wish to continue taking it as such that is your issues. I don't know you or your family, and the comment was not directed at you.

[Jhanniss]

Hard to belive YOU are grown up Jhanniss...
I know that Outspark bought the rights of running this game on their own server.
Sure this company don't seem wealthy but the don't have to develop any game(which is the most expensive part), they just run the server and "support" it... sure they translate the quests and mess up everything because they think they can throw already working stuff over the rail and make better ones... but you need a little genius for that and Outspark has none.

Well you know what a RPG basically is? And how related it is to EXP? And having to buy EXP for cash cancels any "Free" in this game. Outspark changed the balance to crap just to be able to make much money... selling pots and ext and stuff... BASIC stuff for an rpg... and thats far from your luxuries...

And also you compare an MMORPG to your reallife, I would assume you have none...
because there is absolutles nothing in reallife you could compare to a friggin game. Then I guess you work for some royal family of somewho and go into the forest every day to kill animals which drop jewelery and money and stuff... ***?


Again, feedback. And please remember the game is still in beta. Thankfully the issues presented are not permanent ones. As for my real life, you are welcome to "generalize" and "assume" whatever you wish.

[dylanangel]

Speaking of hateful, you are eating what you shovel there. Two supposed "trolls" going back and forth.

In my post regarding families I made the generalization about such things. You took it upon yourself to make it personal and respond, so in that I will explain to you: it was not about you, but a generalization. If you wish to continue taking it as such that is your issues. I don't know you or your family, and the comment was not directed at you.

I am no troll and others will tell you that. You on the other hand look like one. Now I have a family as well as many others in this game so your post of mothers and fathers abandoning their families will get to me and anyone else. There was NO point in you posting it. Proper forum etiquette is that people and their families are not touchable! I shovel what is given to me. You quoted me so you can eat what I posted to you. Yet again troll back over to Fiesta

[hatsuyakanzaki]

Also, this SparkCash Item-Only discrimination's going off its real nature, it's also unfair for NON-UNITED STATES PLAYERS!!!

If there are Filipinos playing both Solstice and Fiesta, let's rally on our game providers namely on AMPED Philippines, NetPlay and Level Up! Games since this is getting out of hand for foreign players playing in US servers...

For all Filipinos, shall we converge with the american OUTSPARK management or we'll diverge our way to seek fairness we wanted to?

[UltimateDude]

And please remember the game is still in beta.

epic post +1
stop with this excuse of the beta!!! because it's beta needs to be revised more and more!
face the real Jhanniss, how can you still defend the operate of the outspark team !

[BattleAngelAlita]

And there we go again... why do ppl take money for BETA... something RAW, something UNFINISHED...? Outspark should THANK us for testing their unfinished product, posting bugs and giving feedback... they should LOVE us and pay more attention to what we say... but they let us pay for being able to properly beta test their game?

(this is NO feedback)

[Jhanniss]

I am no troll and others will tell you that. You on the other hand look like one. Now I have a family as well as many others in this game so your post of mothers and fathers abandoning their families will get to me and anyone else. There was NO point in you posting it. Proper forum etiquette is that people and their families are not touchable! I shovel what is given to me. You quoted me so you can eat what I posted to you. Yet again troll back over to Fiesta


Let me ask this then, you speak of maturity and yet so far you seem to continually play your troll card. This is getting very far off the original subject matter. I am just as guilty to that extent. I explained myself to you and you refuse to let go of it. So as far as I'm concerned we are one in the same if you wish to continue about this. I'll let you have the final word to be the one on top.

Getting back into the actual subject of this thread, this is open beta and as such there are numerous changes to be brought and made. As some have discussed the Cash Shop items are ruining things. In some respects I'm jealous of what you SOS users have available as they are not in Fiesta (costumes, consumeables, weapons, etc).

Events wise, is GM_rider the only one you see around or are there others? I would assume others but having never seen them beyond GM_rider, I am forced to ask.

[UltimateDude]

this is open beta and as such there are numerous changes to be brought and made

ah you insist with this point
tell me, what better period of a game to apply changes if not the open beta??
how many changes we noticed? NOTHING GREAT ! open your eyes!

[dylanangel]

Let me ask this then, you speak of maturity and yet so far you seem to continually play your troll card. This is getting very far off the original subject matter. I am just as guilty to that extent. I explained myself to you and you refuse to let go of it. So as far as I'm concerned we are one in the same if you wish to continue about this. I'll let you have the final word to be the one on top.

Getting back into the actual subject of this thread, this is open beta and as such there are numerous changes to be brought and made. As some have discussed the Cash Shop items are ruining things. In some respects I'm jealous of what you SOS users have available as they are not in Fiesta (costumes, consumeables, weapons, etc).

Events wise, is GM_rider the only one you see around or are there others? I would assume others but having never seen them beyond GM_rider, I am forced to ask.
In game there was Murdock, Rider and the girl (can't remember her name because she is unforgettable)
It sucks when they don't offer things to you like they do to us. It should be the same considering they are offered on the same game client.
Like I have stated a million times over I don't care that they have sparkcash items that are only available if you buy them. I know that I don't have to buy. I refuse to spend money on a costume that will expire and that really doesn't help me in the game except to look "pretty". I do on the other hand think its wrong to only have the strong potions in the shop. We spend our hard earned money on potions that are gone. I have spent money with outspark and I am sure that I will again. In a few months because I need to space it out LOL. The only thing we are angry about is making people pay for a tux or a dress just to attend a function that is suppose to be a celebration for all of SoS. Those people who have purchased other items have to turn around and buy again just to go. Those items are not good armor so its a wasted item for a less than hour event. Makes no sense to me. I would rather pay 15-20 a month and have the luxury of having all those cash shop items at my fingertips. The price would be worth it then

[Jhanniss]

ah you insist with this point
tell me, what better period of a game to apply changes if not the open beta??
how many changes we noticed? NOTHING GREAT ! open your eyes!


I'm not sure how to explain this beyond using Fiesta as an example, so forgive me doing such.

In Fiesta we too are in open beta. We too have a bazillion problems and issues. However I can site that we did bring up numerous points over time (some of which are the same being mentioned in SOS). Have things changed? Not entirely, but I have seen them working to making things more available and open to everyone. I speak on the Cash Shop side of things.

I don't know what the future is going to bring in here but I would say, as I stated in your other post, get your thoughts out. Even when people like me come posting. What matters most is your thoughts and how you feel. I know people may think that Outspark doesn't care but if they are doing what they have in Fiesta, then you guys are in for some good changes. Only downside is a matter of if and when. >.<




In game there was Murdock, Rider and the girl (can't remember her name because she is unforgettable)
It sucks when they don't offer things to you like they do to us. It should be the same considering they are offered on the same game client.
Like I have stated a million times over I don't care that they have sparkcash items that are only available if you buy them. I know that I don't have to buy. I refuse to spend money on a costume that will expire and that really doesn't help me in the game except to look "pretty". I do on the other hand think its wrong to only have the strong potions in the shop. We spend our hard earned money on potions that are gone. I have spent money with outspark and I am sure that I will again. In a few months because I need to space it out LOL. The only thing we are angry about is making people pay for a tux or a dress just to attend a function that is suppose to be a celebration for all of SoS. Those people who have purchased other items have to turn around and buy again just to go. Those items are not good armor so its a wasted item for a less than hour event. Makes no sense to me. I would rather pay 15-20 a month and have the luxury of having all those cash shop items at my fingertips. The price would be worth it then


Yah that I would have to say is one thing I haven't seen in Fiesta yet. Which boggles my mind, but again, feedback is important. I realize I got us all off on a huge left field tangent but your points are very valid none the less. What matters is how you feel in regards to its affecting your enjoyment of the game. While I cannot agree with everyone stated throughout the thread, I know I can see middle ground on a good bit of it.

I had totally forgot Murdock in SOS. He'll kill me for that later I recon. LOL. I see him around in Fiesta so much, which is why I'd inquired about the other GMs in SOS beyond rider.

[BattleAngelAlita]

In Fiesta we too are in open beta. We too have a bazillion problems and issues. (...) Only downside is a matter of if and when. >.<



What is a Bazillion... oO derrived from which number? o_o *confused*
XD

You got the point... a matter of if and when... thats what I'm complaingin about... we're paying them for being lazy... >.<

[catry]

Why exactly is everyone so determined to argue the SAME EXACT 2 POINTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN? T_T
Seriously, hasn't anyone noticed by now that arguing the same thing over and over and over with each other really does seem to get anywhere but back where we started? No one's gonna end up convincing anyone else and even if you do it's the GMs and CSRs etc. that need to be convinced of anything. So please give it a rest or something with the arguing... -_-;;
Wouldn't it be much better if, instead of bickering like this, we came up instead with CONSTRUCTIVE REASONABLE SUGGESTIONS to Outspark that would actually help both sides instead of just one or the other?

[LordZeff]

Why exactly is everyone so determined to argue the SAME EXACT 2 POINTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN? T_T
Seriously, hasn't anyone noticed by now that arguing the same thing over and over and over with each other really does seem to get anywhere but back where we started? No one's gonna end up convincing anyone else and even if you do it's the GMs and CSRs etc. that need to be convinced of anything. So please give it a rest or something with the arguing... -_-;;
Wouldn't it be much better if, instead of bickering like this, we came up instead with CONSTRUCTIVE REASONABLE SUGGESTIONS to Outspark that would actually help both sides instead of just one or the other?

Yes I agree but the lot of us seem convinced that this is not an option and one side will get what they want.
To be honest I think replying here is just fueling this argument as there is no point in trying to convince everyone to stop the pointless ranting and flaming.

[Jhanniss]

Actually we threw wood logs on the fire, made the fire go high, burned ourselves while roasting marshmellows, and finished by dousing water on the flames.

I'm still smoking and I want my marshmellows.

[LordZeff]

Actually we threw wood logs on the fire, made the fire go high, burned ourselves while roasting marshmellows, and finished by dousing water on the flames.

I'm still smoking and I want my marshmellows.

Watch in five minutes some idiots going to come and start flaming. >_<

[Jhanniss]

Watch in five minutes some idiots going to come and start flaming. >_<


As long as they bring marshmellows for the group to enjoy while flaming. We like to make use of those while being around such.

[LordZeff]

As long as they bring marshmellows for the group to enjoy while flaming. We like to make use of those while being around such.

Just asking but...Why were you so amazed because I came here? O_o

[Jhanniss]

Just asking but...Why were you so amazed because I came here? O_o

Because it's LordZeff. How can this not be amazing? (see, I dragged it from OT to here. Ha!)

[LordZeff]

Because it's LordZeff. How can this not be amazing? (see, I dragged it from OT to here. Ha!)

Did you make that line up?
Sounds familiar. >_<
But anyway....You much funny. XD

[dylanangel]

I will be that idiot (moronic statement by the way)
We have made suggestions about this birthday event and they will most likely change the way this event happened. WE ARE ENTITLED TO VOICE OUR OPINIONS and when you guys come in a thread that you don't like and comment EXPECT a response whether you like it or not.

[unforgotten-one]

I will be that idiot (moronic statement by the way)
We have made suggestions about this birthday event and they will most likely change the way this event happened. WE ARE ENTITLED TO VOICE OUR OPINIONS and when you guys come in a thread that you don't like and comment EXPECT a response whether you like it or not.

i agree to what both sides are saying but this is my own stand point which i take.

these threads are meant to be constructive...meant to help voice ur suggestions/opinions in the easiest way possible so that Outspark team can understand.

there are way too many threads which rant about how things could be changed, and the common pattern is that they never draw to a constructive conclusion...like 10 pages worth of rant!!!

basically what im saying is that, if you wanna voice your opinion or suggestions....

perhaps write in a structured, logical format which will help others understand your message and be perpared to expect counter arguements. (dont lash out on them)

[dylanangel]

i agree to what both sides are saying but this is my own stand point which i take.

these threads are meant to be constructive...meant to help voice ur suggestions/opinions in the easiest way possible so that Outspark team can understand.

there are way too many threads which rant about how things could be changed, and the common pattern is that they never draw to a constructive conclusion...like 10 pages worth of rant!!!

basically what im saying is that, if you wanna voice your opinion or suggestions....

perhaps write in a structured, logical format which will help others understand your message and be perpared to expect counter arguements. (dont lash out on them)
We've done that. After having responses that were copy pasted from a GM and IMHO responses that were a little on the rude it set us off. Now people who should just let this thread die out (and telling us in their own posts to let it happen) its just going to start it all over again. Seriously if you want it to die down then don't respond at all. (no I am not directing that towards you)

[Break]

My responses to the community have never been "copy pasted" and neither has riders. We are the only 2 GM's of Secret of the Solstice.

[pharrow]

i agree fire is being a total suck up an i agree wit castle dina to out spark is being rlly unfair my family is to poor to buy spark cash an even if we were i wouldnt be allowed to spend mony for spark cash so they r bein rlly inconsiderate

[dylanangel]

My responses to the community have never been "copy pasted" and neither has riders. We are the only 2 GM's of Secret of the Solstice.

I didnt say you did I? Whatever the other guy is then I meant him.

[thrakx]

My responses to the community have never been "copy pasted" and neither has riders. We are the only 2 GM's of Secret of the Solstice.

i call bull on this break. Sorry to keep the thread open dylan, but He

"has never copy pasted" any response to anything?

why was the EXACT same post you have in here, found in a similar thread, yesterday or the day before? I mean within minutes. No way you wrote that twice man.
Dont trip on your own fibs my friend it always bites you in the rear.

[Sinamuri]

I agree. I've always hated the fact that most servers of any game will treat donators to anything special but that's just the way life is.

[Summoner_Shiina]

;)Ok, first off, people you must understand that this is an MMORPG. Anyonw who has played one before knows that a cash shop is NECESSARY. Second, let people who want sparkcash items buy them without any lip from you. Some events require sparkcash items, and ot me, it's nothing but to say thanks for patronizing us. Wouldn't you want something else other than the effect of just stats being effected from the items you buy? As for me, I can't get sparkcash either, and that's quite alright. All it shows is that I can get the same lvl as those who do WITHOUT the help of accelerated items. It shows I have will power, and overall the drive to be better without "digital steriods" if you please. This really shouldn't even be a thread, seeing as how the ability to get sparkcash depends on one's financial situation. Whoever can't get sparkcash, you can't get it due to reasons only you can/cannot control, so basically stfu about it. Let's leave the threads to things that actually matter, and not things that **** us off individually.

[dylanangel]

;)Ok, first off, people you must understand that this is an MMORPG. Anyonw who has played one before knows that a cash shop is NECESSARY. Second, let people who want sparkcash items buy them without any lip from you. Some events require sparkcash items, and ot me, it's nothing but to say thanks for patronizing us. Wouldn't you want something else other than the effect of just stats being effected from the items you buy? As for me, I can't get sparkcash either, and that's quite alright. All it shows is that I can get the same lvl as those who do WITHOUT the help of accelerated items. It shows I have will power, and overall the drive to be better without "digital steriods" if you please. This really shouldn't even be a thread, seeing as how the ability to get sparkcash depends on one's financial situation. Whoever can't get sparkcash, you can't get it due to reasons only you can/cannot control, so basically stfu about it. Let's leave the threads to things that actually matter, and not things that **** us off individually.

OMG seriously maybe you need to read the WHOLE thread. We are trying to let this thing die down so we REALLY don't need any snide remarks from someone who has not a clue what we are fighting for. Save the remarks of telling us to STFU because we are ALLOWED to voice our opinions.

[BattleAngelAlita]

OMG seriously maybe you need to read the WHOLE thread. We are trying to let this thing die down so we REALLY don't need any snide remarks from someone who has not a clue what we are fighting for. Save the remarks of telling us to STFU because we are ALLOWED to voice our opinions.

calma dylan...

You can phrase it in a kind way...
Lets all be friends here ok? ^.^

[Cladnestina]

Ok, as the creator of this thread I have one thing to say:
EVERYONE SHUT THE HECK UP ABOUT EACHOTHER!
This thread was NEVER made for people to take sides and scream that the other is wrong! NEVER! This thread was made for people to voice their opinions and vote for what we would like to see next! Not a thread for screaming insults at eachother over the internet because one thinks the other is wrong!!!!

As Fire put it, BOTH sides are at fault! The GMs and their supporters are at fault for excluding everyone without sparkcash from the begining of a storyline event. And the people that have acknowledged this are yelling at the other side and are just being inconsiderate and rude. I want BOTH sides to shut up about eachother.

Like I said, this thread and poll was made for people to express their opinions in a non violent way and try to persuade others to see what they see and to feel what they feel. Not to scream at them to get a life or to go earn their own sparkcash because they really don't care. Are we clear??

[BattleAngelAlita]

Ok, as the creator of this thread I have one thing to say:
EVERYONE SHUT THE HECK UP ABOUT EACHOTHER!
This thread was NEVER made for people to take sides and scream that the other is wrong! NEVER! This thread was made for people to voice their opinions and vote for what we would like to see next! Not a thread for screaming insults at eachother over the internet because one thinks the other is wrong!!!!

As Fire put it, BOTH sides are at fault! The GMs and their supporters are at fault for excluding everyone without sparkcash from the begining of a storyline event. And the people that have acknowledged this are yelling at the other side and are just being inconsiderate and rude. I want BOTH sides to shut up about eachother.

Like I said, this thread and poll was made for people to express their opinions in a non violent way and try to persuade others to see what they see and to feel what they feel. Not to scream at them to get a life or to go earn their own sparkcash because they really don't care. Are we clear??

lol best post ever...

I'm with you, I think everyone can out his opinion and accept or ignore the others.

But I just came up with a real good explanation and reason for this perticular event being spark-cash only... but noone wants to hear that ^^

[thrakx]

*stopped beating this dead horse days ago*

I think "Shut the heck up" is my favorite quote of the day

[deedee479]

that haveing events 4 spark item only. it's just like class and lvl only pvps and half the find rider also seeing as some of them low lvls will die.
what i think they should try and make cash items so we can trade them. how bout we vote 4 that and not how unfair it is .
just some ppl are blowing this thing up way to much and it's pissing me off.
that ppl say most of the events r 4 cash items not true i count each time that half or less the events r cash items only.

got aloe was 4 all
the party as much as i can say was really 4 all
many of the pvp was 4 all

next ones
Follow the whit rabbit
Ga-wee-bo
and many pvp is for us all


so agin i ask that maybe we vote and try and get them to let us trade them :p and the b-day event really was us being told it's there b-day and that ad's sis is evil and that we already knew....we knew she was a twin and her twin was evil i found out from new years party(everyone was invited btw) so ppl chill. and aly u should have known it all would have gotten out of hand.....
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50666 vote here

[TheDarkSenshi]

Hey guys.... things seem to be getting out of line here. ^^'' I've read from start to finish... Now, I hope that everyone here will eventually go to their own space and think about everything that has been said in here and lay it to rest. O.o I see every point, every solution, every respect and disrespect....

I wish everyone would get along. This community if the first real community I've ever been apart of. I think it's wonderful. Even with the ups and downs. Let's not stress over this... you know that if you stress too much you grow grey hair O.o...it's true! I'm a victim of stress and it's damage.

So Please, I know we all have the power to be mature and reasonable. *Not saying anyone is or isn't* :(

[LordZeff]

This thread should be locked right now.
It's getting out of hand.

[TheCretz]

While we encourage open discussions regarding your opinions about our games, this has turned into a flame war and I'm now forced to close it.

My two cents on the situation is that while have various events that don't require premium items, Outspark relies on the community's monetary support in order to run. Without these purchases, we would cease to exist, and nothing would be here. Keep in mind that we're a brand new company and that our games and website are still being improved daily based on all of your feedback. If you guys don't like something, we listen. Why...? Because without your support... everything would go down, and I think we can all agree that we don't want to see this happen. In the meantime, thank all of your for your feedback and I hope this helps to clarify any uncertainties.