Enhancing Weapons 101

[Sir.Lancelot]

Hi everyone,


*I decided to start this thread in the hope that we can all learn and progress together about item enhancement. This came to me as an idea after breaking a +5 Greatsword with a couple of executionner liscences on it, and being stuck with no sword and very few things to sell in hope to purchase another sword.


*So let's stop wasting our collective time and finally make a guide to this. I will ask a few questions, and any player who wishes to share his knowledge, please do so, answer any of the questions you wish.


#1- Stones, what are the differences between regular, blessed, lucky, and their advantages? Is it higher success rate?


#2- The Red/Gold/etc slots during enhancement, what can we put there? How do you acquire those items?


#3- What causes a weapon to fail upgrade or break/downgrade during enhancement procedure?


1, 2 ,3 GO!!

[Aduah]

#1 - Difference is You have a better chance of succeding with Blessed and Lucky, Also I used a blessed Elrue on a weapon and it was enhanced by +2, instead of +1. So Im Guessing With Lucky and Blessed, you also have a possible chance of +3 When you enhance, Maybe even +3? (depending on how enhanced it is to begin with). HOWEVER Having a blessed or Lucky stonedoesn't mean you have 100% chance of suceeding.


#2 - As far as I know and have seen it uses are un known.


#3 - Its Random, Cross your fingers and Hope you get lucky.

[Sir.Lancelot]

Thank you for the input Aduah!


About #3, so there is no way for the player to know if the damage will be catastrophic or if you can get away with no side-effects and simply a wasted elrue or etc. ? I certainly prefer when that happens over the broken weapon. Hehe


*If anyone else wish to contribute with their extensive knowledge please go on, maybe we will all learn something new!


Please let me know if there are any ways to get pre-upgraded weapons, like the upgraded broadswords you get in the King Slime KQ, are there any swords given out to other KQ?

[Keenan]

Red/Gold/etc slots


when the*cash shop opens up you can buy items*that will up*the sucess rate.


i think...


am 90% sure on this.*

[Sir.Lancelot]

It would make sense, thank you for the input.


Anyone else has juicy knowledge for us to quench our mighty learning thirsts?

[nellshini]

I was pretty certain that blessed lowered the chance of the weapon breaking on failure, and lucky had the chance of increasing it by +2.

[Sir.Lancelot]

That's interesting... I wish the items had descriptions on them...

[4swordlink]

on another note it seems the success rate has dropped between CB1 and CB2. I used to be able to get to +3 no prblem and now i break everything

[voo5doo]

just had a question since im kinda new.. which stone makes your weapon glow? or does it matter on how it enchances?

[tomcat025]

@voo5doo


The glow and/or partical effects on weapons start at +3 and get more and more pronounced the higher you go.

[Lady-Loki]

IF! If you get +3 or better! I have lost too many weapons already just in an attempt to get +3. And . . . I*can't collect enough drops to pay for new ones (SP Stones ain't cheap!) so I have basically given up at this time.


Maybe I'll try again after it goes to open and more players take away some of the unlucky statistics (I'm assuming it is a ratio based on server and not an individual failure ratio since I seem to hit unlucky too often yet others seem to have been pretty darn lucky!)

[Izuko]

I think they eat weapons just a little to readily in this game. Let us at least get to +3 before you start killing the weapon.


Four overenchant tries:


-Fail but no break


- Succeed


- Fail and broke the +1 created above


- Succeed and stayed pat





Give us at least a little better odds on the first few.

[realmagyk]

what weapons can you enhance i tried a lvl 15+ staff for mage and it said i couldn't whats up with that?

[Sensetsu]

apparently there s a secret to enhancing items easily but the players who know how are to stingy to tell any1 about it, bit selfish really but ohwell what can u do, i won't say any names.

[nellshini]

The "patterns" to enhancing don't work.

[Snake2150]

Ive played alot of MMO's and alot of them other than some of the bigger names run on this concept, of gambling for the upgraded version, such like maplestory, conquer online, lineage 2, ran a similar, enchnating thing, I for one am sick of it, since you break it and you pay for it dearly, I would like to have a different, and inivated way to do this enchanting when i play a new MMO, I do like how it spins and u can probably guess where it lands by when it starts slowing down, but just frustrating to lose and lose your weapon. To me thats wat slows my game and makes me lose interest in it once that happens and makes my character poorer than a rat with a hat. Though I do think its a puller for others, how they like to play the chance game. I have suggestions to make the enchanting stay but better, though they all take the "fun" out of it. Sorry if this is a little off topic. /sites/all/modules/tinymce/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-sealed.gif

[lynnara]

I totally *hate* the whole concept of gambling for upgrades. I've played a number of games that do that and that was the one thing i hated most about all of them. Seriously, upgrades should have a skill involved, or a smithing profession or something. Materials for upgrades can replace gamble stones (elrunes) in the economy. I see an obvious selling point for protect scrolls or whatever, but this is just somethin i'm not gonna deal with. I'm just gonna stick to non-enhanced and probably not bother playin after closed beta... i hate gamble upgrades that much.

One day a game is gonna come out with a superb crafting system. When it does, thats where i'll be :-)

[Jessy-Ni]

There is no way to control the out come of the enhancement. It seems like a good way to make your players angry, but I guess enough people like this that it doesn't matter. I can't stand that you have absolutely no control over what happens. I feel it would be different if you had to push a button or click a square when you want it to slow down and stop. But this way is far too frustrating, I too will not upgrade my weapon. It takes away from my enjoyment of the game and makes me angry when the item breaks. I'm not sure if I'll stay in this game when it is released. I'm sure having buffed items will make a huge difference in success in later levels and I won't waste my time on a game that just makes me angry.

[adenis]

Ever since I reached the part where equipments cost 6s and above, I stopped using normal Enhancement Stones.


It's simply scary.

[sk8r5k]

come on..after upgrading 2 staffs for +8 and all equip to +4, I find enhancement system very funny p:


*Like everything in life, it's based on luck.


If you train and aquire more money, participate in events, u'll have more stones/better stones which = more % of succeeding in # of items at upgrading..


 


So bare hands, and try again!

You might get lucky this time! ;)

[lynnara]

lol, everything in life is not about luck. Smart people prefer relying on skill, even if it doesn't lead to massive riches.

Congrats on your upgrades though. Dont get too smug... i'd like to see your face when one of your +8's break even when you use blessed upgrade.

The whole point I and others were trying to make is it totally sucks to put all that time in aquiring more money, participating in events, farming monsters for items to sell, getting as much money as possible... and losing all of it in 10 minutes. Its dumb.

[hellice]

Well for my friends hunter HellsHuntress when her enhancement fails nothing happens the elure just dissapears but the +1 and stuff stays the same

[elfreakyfrog]

I think the idea of a button that slowed down/stopped the clockwise spin is a great idea.* That would give us a lil more control over the whole enhancing... If any of you have played Scarface on pc...whenever u make a deal you have to stop the guage in an allotted slot to make a successful deal...i think the same would take less frustration out of the whole enhancement process...or make higher grade weapons less likely to break...one of the two


 

[bledcyan]

I was pretty certain that blessed lowered the chance of the weapon breaking on failure, and lucky had the chance of increasing it by +2.




that's what i've seen/heard


except it's that lucky INCREASES the chance of +2, i've had normal ones get +2 as well as take away from +s on various occasions. I have heard the 3 boxes on the bottom of the circle will slow down the roulette, but I have yet to have the money to play with this as I have not had money for a bit due to disconects and some other things.

[bledcyan]

I don't know if it was just luck or what.. I made all my early gear at least +3, +6 weapon.. Since i've gotton level 20 all the gear I get breaks pretty easy


It is likely they will have something in the real money store on here to reduce breaks.. Though I was hoping they would keep that kind of item to appearance changes and fun items.. Not game adjusting pieces.. If they make it to where your character is only at its most effective if you pay them money I probably wont play it.


I'd rather pay a monthly fee where players are on equal ground.

[nellshini]

The upgrading is insane. At this point I think I've paid 500s to watch a few hammers break and a few more fluctuate between +1 and +5. Breaking is one thing, but having a weapon downgrade after spending 3-5 stones to upgrade just that one + is crazy.

[Bliztcommander]

I would have to agree that this is crazy i had the same problem i find creating the stones helps save costs. But still is crazy if you have to buy something in the store that is find no problem there it will just end up in the market for really high prices save your coins

[shikaxblade]

instead of a dumb wheel like they have, why not do like a Slot Machine type mini-game and u have to stop the things on "7" to make it upgrade? seems like that would be much more fair in that one needs precise timing, and is not inherently based on luck, and figures nobody can see.

[Felter]

I think this is the biggest downer in the game. Tonight i spent 25 elrue plus i had to buy 3 swords and 4 pants just to get them both to lvl 3. Before i done this i had thought to myself, well my money is going up, well i just lost it all again. Personally i don't mind using all the elrue but the breakage part should definitely be scrapped.

[Alejo17]

you know what could be great there are 10 slots in the enchancment screen so what about letting you put 10 elrues so you got 100% chance but when the enchancement is over the elrue used is the one chosed and all the other ones get destroyed. So more elrues will mean more % to succes!!!

[hyperswoss]

If there were 10 slots, you would only have to put 5 Elrue in for 100%. 5*2=10


I too wished that could happen. At first that's what I though you were supposed to do.

[Felter]

Can't go with the 100% as then there would be no need for it, as everyone would be running around with +9 equipment. There would not be much of a market for elrue or the others, even the item market would crash as you would not need to buy anything with a + status as it would be so easy to do it by yourself. Nope it has to be either hard to do or have a low success rate. It's just the breakage i think should go if you fail then the items level goes down so if you*had a*+3 trying to get it*to +4 and it fails then it would go down to +2. Blessed could raise the chance of success and lucky could also still raise the chance of getting 2 + levels maybe even more but it would also have the chance of losing 2 or more levels even introduce a new type blessed lucky with a better chance of getting 2 or more + levels.

[Alejo17]

i mean that the square that is moving has to choose an elrue but that could help 2

[vwbaja70]

ok this is no where near 100% but here is what i do for weapons +1 to +3

weapon in middle elrue in top
If hits continue if not exit and restart
If hit put elrue in 7oclock or sw box
If it hits continue if not exit and restart
If it hits go to 3 oclock or east box and pray i found here it either hits or breaks

I have tried this for +4 and up but seems to break more and I know it sounds weird but have better luck in roumen rather than elderine

This works for me but in no way is garunteed

[Tamlinari]

I hate the system of "enchanting" !!!
I have cried so much over that stupid retarded enhancing game :((
I know that there is a sequence that is a guaranteed hit and it has nothing to do with luck because it is not random.
In CB2 I saw a guy with a bright shiny bow with leaves and flowers on it and I asked him what level enhancement it was and he said it was +8 and he offered to enhance my weapon to +5 if I bought 3 elru and 2 lix and pay him 1s.
So I did, he took my bow and within a couple minutes it was a +5
I asked him how he did it and he just said "Secret! Enjoy your bow!"
It was mentioned earlier that the current system really makes people angry and upset with the game, and it does!
I suppose that they thought it would be a good way to keep the economy going and to keep the market from being flooded with enchanted weapons so that there would always be a market for stones to do enchantments but I have to say that it really does make people angry and frustrated with the game and most people now don't even bother trying to enchant weapons past +3 because they are so afraid of breaking it so the current system doesn't work!
I have a whole bunch of lix that I made and I won't use it and I have a very difficult time selling it.
A better system is needed.
Just my opinion.
:(

[uberfrosch]

I just attemtped to go from +5 to +6 using Blessed Lix, and the second i clicked the start button, it told me I achieved unlucky Enhancer title....It hadnt event stopped its little spinning trip.....this means it knows BEFORE you click if you fail or not....This smells like scam for when cash shop comes out to buy Enhancement Boosters....

[engibil]

i would hvae to agree that it is quite frustrating. i cant even usually get mine past +1 w/out losing the +1 already on it or breaking it. change the system so its more like WoW, meaning, skill ups. sure its ok to have failures or maybe even breakage on the way, so long as leads to increased skill lvl/success rate.

[Xanthros]

I know that there is a sequence that is a guaranteed hit and it has nothing to do with luck because it is not random.

Correct, it's time-based (server) with a + or - shift, based on the type of stone and level of the equipment with the + enchant you're trying to increase.

X-

[Setokira]

I just attemtped to go from +5 to +6 using Blessed Lix, and the second i clicked the start button, it told me I achieved unlucky Enhancer title....It hadnt event stopped its little spinning trip.....this means it knows BEFORE you click if you fail or not....This smells like scam for when cash shop comes out to buy Enhancement Boosters....

dude, the wrld revolves around MONEY. Me, im gonna get like 2 of every wep i get, ill always enhace mew old weps before the new one's, that way if they break yea it sucks, but it's not all bad, also if u get it to like 6+ u can sell it for lots to get another of your currnet wep or more lower ones to enhance to like 6+to sell again. The wrld revoles around money.

[Setokira]

it would be nie to but like 3 elures in for enhancing it would up chances, but as i said, man im gettin to lvl3o then enhancing ll my crappyweps, if they get good, i sell em and use the cash to get another lvlx or current best wep avaliable for my lvl.(x=watever my current lvl wep is)

THE WRLD revoles around money!

[-Drago-]

I just attemtped to go from +5 to +6 using Blessed Lix, and the second i clicked the start button, it told me I achieved unlucky Enhancer title....It hadnt event stopped its little spinning trip.....this means it knows BEFORE you click if you fail or not....This smells like scam for when cash shop comes out to buy Enhancement Boosters....

Indeed, if you take a closer look, you'll even see if the weapon breaks 2 seconds after you started the process. The weapon just disappears in the invenory before the "roulette" stops. But I don't see it like scam or so. The game only knows what happens at the time you press the button. ;)


dude, the wrld revolves around MONEY. Me, im gonna get like 2 of every wep i get, ill always enhace mew old weps before the new one's, that way if they break yea it sucks, but it's not all bad, also if u get it to like 6+ u can sell it for lots to get another of your currnet wep or more lower ones to enhance to like 6+to sell again. The wrld revoles around money.

Uhm, what does this answer have to do with Überfrosch's post? O.o He didn't say anything about having money problems. :rolleyes:

[Shadowtail]

Yup! It's official! The current enhancement system sucks... BIG TIME!! I know I have bad luck, but being able to break a weapon every time I so much as look at the begin button goes far beyond even that... I've just used most of my Lix and half of my Elrues... And I had 119 of 'em... Now I'm out of money and items to sell off to get a new weapon... Am I supposed to fall back on my lv1 weapon or should I just go beat monsters silly with my fists now?? Won't be much difference in damage done... The success rate is even lower now that I'm back... Before my internet connection got terminated accidentally a few months back I could at least get my weapon to +3... Instead of letting weapons break when the enhancement fails, they should put level restrictions on plus items. That way you wont hate the system and you stay in perfect health, and there wont be any low level characters with weapons of higher value than stock high level weapons...

[Y-noT]

answer to #3... i think when you have no upgrades on your weapon that it will be destroyed but if you had 1 or more upgrades work, you will only lose one point. im a noob, but im not stupid. hope this info may help. remember i am not completely positive!

[-Drago-]

answer to #3... i think when you have no upgrades on your weapon that it will be destroyed but if you had 1 or more upgrades work, you will only lose one point. im a noob, but im not stupid. hope this info may help. remember i am not completely positive!

Nope, would be great if so. But I, for my part, broke a lot of higher enhanced weapons/armors. :D

BTW: Being a noob doesn't mean that you are stupid, just inexperienced. ;)

[samgreig2004]

just wanted to add this. about th blessed items, i seem to get more weapon/armor destroyed using these than everything else so in my opinion there is a higher rate of success with these and higher chance that if it fails you weapon/armor will break

[fisken]

#1
Lucky: 15% Chance of geting +2 insteed of +1
Blessed: Increase Success Rate by 15%, increase destroy risk by 5%
Elrue: 80% Chance of Success
Lix: 69% Chance of Success
Xir: 51% Chance of Success

Destroy Risk: 11%
Downgrade Risk: 23%

This is my own calculation and not a official!

[raistlin228]

can anyone be specific on how to make the elrue stones please?

[Slayer1557]

As much as I don't like my weapons breaking when I enchant, I put up with it. There are several reasons why the weapons have a chance of degrading or breaking. As have already been mentioned, if the weapons no longer break, there will be an influx of many higher upgraded weapons, driving down prices and so forth

but also, it takes the SPECIAL out of getting +7 8 or 9. Just think, youve been working at upgrading for weeks, spent tons, and finally you get your shiny +9 lev 50 green weapon(and your enhancement god title). You wear it proudly as people look at it with awe, and at that moment.... it was all worth it.

If it became easier to make those upgrades, it just wouldn't be as rewarding to achieve that. "Ok so you have a +9 sword? so does everyone else!" Upgrading is SUPPOSED to be difficult.

I have begun my own "quest" to get a +9 light bow. So far I have used nothign but normal elrue/lix and have broken several bows. I have spent 9s 805c and have a +6 light bow right now. It's all luck, but if you keep at it, you will be rewarded.

[DarkPresence]

I wish there was a more controlled skillfull way to make money in this game rather than just enhancement chances

[AriesMehjor]

Ok this might start to sound off topic after a bit but bear with me, because Ive noticed a few things as far as biggest complaints go with this game.

A. Enhancing items- either not having enough control over it, or having a higher fail rate than what should be usual.

B. Experience point gain- either complaints about the amount of exp per lvl to lvl kill(yellow and orange mobs) or complaints about gain from events for higher lvl players etc.

C. Kingdom Quest rewards- either having nothing in box or having a crappy prize like potions or elrues from chest (of which the elrues of KQ only antagonize the point of the above A.)

D. Bugged or non existant Quests- either by not working or working halfway until you get to the reward process of the quests.

E. Money system in game- said to be either slow or overwhelming at times.

F. Class/Job Differential- class heavy on the side of clerics, but lacking on other classes, as far as cost of items, stones, abilities, or stat point comparison. The amount of skills one class has, compared to the rest, and overpowering of one or more classes compared to the rest. Equipment stat comparison for weapons of fighther vs. cleric. And overall consumption of goods by Fighter class. And uneveness qualities given in lvl comparison of same lvl classes by 5-10 or more lvls.

G. Bugs- whether or not they be the bug where you switch weapons mid battle and character appears with no weapon, party buffs where player is missing cleric buffs but rest of party has them, exp point glitch where two sets of exp appear next to the announcement box.

H. Community system vs. unwanted solicitation- gold spam, botting, kill stealing, training, lag of servers, player to player interaction, and class compatiblity.

I. Customization of Characters- (still in OB phase so this will change) - Lack of customization features and character individuality.

J. Security - I.E. - Hacks to the server, botting, threat of possible spyware/viruses/ other harmful computer items.

K. Customer Service Response (in game)- where as most were complaints of GMs never being online to resolve issues.

So...thats just a quick list of things that I've seen a majority of the community complain about, or have complained about constantly, will all of these be resolved in time for final release, I hope Outspark hopes so. Cause the rest of the games community sure does. The enhancement thing has been talked about for ages, and the list of complaints could go on for decades. But really, the only thing you can do is just sit back and wait.....hoping that somthing will change. Till then....might as well keep grinding *shrugs*.

[b455m4573r]

can u upgrade any weapon or can u only upgrade certain, very expencive, kinds?

[dct6668]

i was talking to a guy who's weapon was probably top of the line...and he said that he used lucky/blessed elrue/lix tier 2 and that he made them...is there a skill to make them? because i've never seen anything about making lucky/blessed, only the regular...or am i totally off

thank you!

[mdarshiva]

you know what could be great there are 10 slots in the enchancment screen so what about letting you put 10 elrues so you got 100% chance but when the enchancement is over the elrue used is the one chosed and all the other ones get destroyed. So more elrues will mean more % to succes!!!i love this idea and it would get rid of the cheapy elures real quick lol

[millertime02]

yeah ok im trying to get +9 on mine i guess it has like 2 spinning things going around the sword then a ball of light that goes around the sword like that but i dont know how to do that i think i need elrue 1-3 and lix 4-6 right? :confused: plz help me i have no idea what to do plz tell me in game my name is kill_kenny ty if u are helping me and sorry if i didnt do this thing right

[Shadowfiend]

#2- The red gold and blue boxes are for new stones from Fiesta shop.