Clerics are underappreciated >_<!!

[XExpressionX]

D:


Every cleric knows it.

"Buff plz"

"Res plz"

Little thanks maybeh? :\
We aren't your servants and we don't HAVE to do it. Most clerics I know(or just myself, dun't know if I'm alone on this one) became a cleric to be nice. They want to help people. Whether the person they are helping likes it or not. We LIKE being helpful but if you ask us blatantly and don't give thanks then you are just abusing our help. When you get to be level 20, all you High Clerics will know what I mean.

On the other hand,(The much shorter, deformed hand...) clerics abuse their powers. I have seen people charge 1s for a rez, and 5s for a buff. And people ACTUALLY payed. The cleric is taking advantage of the people, and the people are letting themselves fall prey to it.

Okay just listen, we(or I...still don't know if I'm alone on this but I think most of you are) are getting sick of going everywhere and being asked for a buff. Sure, we give some out, and sometimes are so bored we go on shout and say "Giving out free buffs in [coordinates follow]!" Which is nice, and we get some thanks, and we give some welcomes.

You don't realize that without us you won't survive. And by that I mean you WON'T survive. Physically, or financially. Paying for stones costs a lot, and pots cost more. (When you can make them why bother right? xD! Wrong. When you get to a higher lv and you have not fully developed your skill, and cant make T2 or T3 pots, then you have to buy them, speaking again, suffering financially). You NEED us, and you take us(or me >.>) for granted. We aren't your servants, and we aren't your lapdogs. Our word lets you live or die. Sure, ask for a buff once in a while. DON'T ask repetitively. We will walk away. When you follow us, we might teleport, or even TRAIN you. Don't take us for granted because we can leave anytime we want. We don't want your money(or at least the majority of the clerics don't) we just want thanks and the respect we deserve, and if we cant get that then I for one won't give any heals to anyone. Think if you had no clerics, and you are stranded, and dead.


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[Gaaraxxx]

Clerics arent underappreciated :(, im sure that people appreciate being rezed :P.
And if they dont thank you for it, theyre spooty :P.
If youre going out of your way to res some1 far away, thats really nice of you, but if you complain about it afterwards, thats counterintuitive.
I wouldnt go out of my way to help some1, just to expect to be grovelled over.
If they choose not to thank me for it, its their loss :D.
But all in all, everyone loves clerics :). Maybe just wait til uve been playing fiesta a bit longer ^_^

[princessalid]

she's kinda right...that's why i dont like partying with persons i don't know, cos sometimes if they dont get enough heal, they get mad if they die, even if they know they brought too many mobs and there is only one cleric in the pt..then they die and get mad..hmm...but i know everyone isn't like that

oh and Brethren, i heard about what you did with Terror..and i thank you for that...you made him very happy when u didnt get mad when u died while he was healing you..*claps*

[XExpressionX]

Hm...Well you are a level 47 Cleric, I wouldn't get tired of giving buffs out. But it is CONSTANT! D: And I don't think I can take it. I think this would turn me in to a mean cleric. And OMG!. You = Brethren :P

Well anyway, I think I would get tired of people asking for buffs. I'm not even the right level and people still ask me about buffs. I think Clerics are kinda misunderstood, people of other classes don't know much about them unless they were one.

We aren't understood, we are just a dual type class. Types to heal and fight.

[XExpressionX]

she's kinda right...that's why i dont like partying with persons i don't know, cos sometimes if they dont get enough heal, they get mad if they die, even if they know they brought too many mobs and there is only one cleric in the pt..then they die and get mad..hmm...but i know everyone isn't like that

oh and Brethren, i heard about what you did with Terror..and i thank you for that...you made him very happy when u didnt get mad when u died while he was healing you..*claps*

I just read that thread about 15 mins ago. Brethren is famous :D

[Gaaraxxx]

Yup clerics are good for duoing and soloing :D.
And ya me = Brethren, Im trying to get experience with all classes :)!

[princessalid]

lmao...well i'm lvl 50, but when i was lvl 40 and stuff, people constantly asked me for buffs, even when i told them i wasn't lvl 47 they still asked..it got really frustrating for me, but now i'm lvl 50, not many people ask me for buffs, which i find strange..lol.

[Winatika_The_Jawa]

Actually, I'm a lvl 23 High Cleric & I think that clerics just HAVE to do things when people say, "Buff/Rez/Heal/Cure me," because in places like KQ, clerics NEED to do that in order to succesfully make it through the KingdomQuest ALIVE!!! so really, I'ts just what clerics are supposed to do, like a job or something.

[kinsin]

im an archer and lucky enough to have enough cleric friends that most of the time if i sit in a town for a bit or if they just see me around they buff me without me asking... but i completely understand why you are mad, i'll be in a party with a cleric and someone comes up and spams for buffs, then ks's our target b/c he/she didn't get the buff at that moment..
i usually ask nicely, example: may i please have a buff? ^^ *buff cast* thank you so much! i appreciate it!

i try to be nice about it... i never ask more than once, hey if i dont get a buff i'll use some scrolls, make some t2 pots and go on out and solo some orcs or somethin lol

[Dchusher]

Cleric:*minding his/her own*
Me: *runs up to cleric* May I have an endure buff please kind ma'am/sir.
Cleric: *buffs me*
Me: Why thank you for the buff kind ma'am/sir

or in another situation

Me: PLF CLERIC

lol. But really if there were no clerics in the game then maybe we would be out of luck in getting by with the simplest of tasks. So let there be clerics and everyone will be happy. :3 I really do appreciate for what you guys do... you just gotta do it! lol I'm glad there are many generous clerics, and yet not so to those who very well might go on there way keeping those good buff skills to themselves ;(

[princessalid]

so true sly, you guys are helpless without us..bwahahaha..lmao

don't ask me for buffs sly, you won't get any from me ^^

[Instant-Noodlez]

I wouldn't say we're under appreciated, its more like we're abused... constantly. I had reached Level 40 just yesterday (time zone is different) and within 10 minutes of putting on my new armor (sweet stats) and training in CP, i was already asked by numerous people for buffs.

I do go out of my way to revive people but it would normally depend on the people asking for the rez. For example, unfortunately in CP, it sometimes (or most of the time) can be overrun by lower level people. It can be very frustrating when half the world is asking for a party. If the lower level asks for a rez, I will usually not give it to them. But if in a party with someone of much higher level with them, then I will rez.

Pots and stones were made so everyone doesn't have to always have a cleric around. Its just convenient for them to have a cleric because they don't have to worry about those 2 extra buttons (if you put them into shortcut).

People who think clerics are always supposed to heal you especially in a party, should also realize how hard it can be without another cleric (if full party). Tanks usually fight one higher mob, DDs would just support the tanker, and the cleric has to heal all of these people. Now imagine when we all get mobbed, the cleric would try to keep you guys alive whilst sacrificing his own life just so you guys don't whinge about dying and losing x amount of exp. Heal has a 3 second cooldown. If training in a much higher area, this can cause a lot of issues for the cleric who is button bashing his/her heal.

[Asmodejjj]

We're underappreciated because only we can heal and buff. Now if we got some actual attack power, we'd be the #1 class because we'd be self sufficient tanks. So to equal it out, we're underappreciated but once we take one hit to many, we will strike down and kill all the fighters, archers, and mages ^^.

[luv2chat1992]

I'm a level 28 cleric, and I have had people ask ME for buffs. Its pretty obvious I'm not even NEAR those buffs, and even when I tell them my level they still bug me. If I see someone about to die, I will heal them until the mob is gone, and if they ask nicely then I will. It just bugs me when random people expect you to heal/cure/res them because we don't. I think it'd be nice if people said thanks a little more often.

[IcyAngelz]

Clerics aren't really unappriciated, its just their job and people depend on them. Clerics can be nasty sometimes... One time i partied with one and he/she let me die even though i was DDing.... I think they treated just fine :)

[CristoPT]

Clerics aren't really unappriciated, its just their job and people depend on them. Clerics can be nasty sometimes... One time i partied with one and he/she let me die even though i was DDing.... I think they treated just fine :)

You have obviously no idea of what you're saying, sorry to say.
Most people walk around and order "buff" like it was my right to buff them. Or rez, heal, or whatever.
If the cleric is in party and doesn't heal, now that's his fault. But walking around with an endure should be kind of a gift, not an everyday convenience or something.

[Lythari]

Clerics are the civil service officers of Fiesta (like police, paramedics, firemen, etc.). No one thanks them for what they do because it's what they do. They deserve thanks, and it's nice to hear from time to time, but it's not like you didn't know what you were signing up for before hand when you chose to become the only support class in the game. I heal and rez. Do I always get thanked? No. Do I care? No. Why? Because I became a cleric so that I could help people in a way they need it most in this game. I didn't do it to be popular. I didn't do it to earn favor. I also didn't do it for appreciation. Knowing that I just saved someone the trouble of a 20 min journey all the way back to a hunting ground from a town, or knowing I just saved someone's life or gave them the extra few seconds they needed with Invince is gratifying enough for me. It should be for any cleric. The way to think of it is this: people may not acknowledge your importance; but deep down, you know that they know they need you. You know that what you do is important. Are we unappreciated? At times, it may feel that way. However, remember that many do appreciate what you do for them, but just don't show it. Do you thank a doctor for giving you a flu vaccine? Most likely not. However, you are grateful for it when your friend, loved one, or significant other gets the flu and are miserable for a week.

[Applepod]

My bf often encounter such ppl every nw and then :/ Sometimes i stopped my bf from buffing them. What i would do is to make these ppl say the magic words "May I/ please" before getting their buffs, bwahahaaaa XD

Clerics really deserve alot more than a simple thanks at times. Whenever a KQ is doing pretty badly, I always see them being blamed and flamed with crude remarks. I can't stand ppl like that and I scolded them back, wahahaa :D

Ppl shld pot and 'stone' themselves when circumstances doesn't allow the clerics to react readily to them.

[Ashurao]

Personnaly, i rarely buff people in town except if they ask me politely (i mean with a complet sentence). I ignore all people who ask buff as "buff me" "buff plz" or something like that, and i block them if they spam it.


Many peolple treat us like their dog, that's why I prefere to solo.

And an other thing, I hate when someone in my group ask me for a heal. I know my job in a party, I have some eyes so i see their life, and if I don't heal them it's just because I have something more urgent to do (keep the tank alive for exemple).
Do I ask the DD to DPS ? No. So please don't ask the cleric to heal, they know what to do.


(PS : Sorry for my bad english ><)

[barloka]

well you chose too be a cleric >.> which means you gota buff ppl if they ask even if they dont say thx >.> and when ur in a party you take resposibility for the tanker and if its too much mobs for your healing too handle then ask the tanker too tone it down a bit but of course its the tankers fault also because they are the one who takes the risk too get exp
being a cleric is a tough job cause you gota look out for your party's hp while the rest just concentrate on attacking and hoping for you too heal them
this is basicly how the clerics world works :x
and if you cant take the pressure then just leave the job of being a cleric
cause this is why i became a cleric its tougher cause you gota heal like crazy when your in a AoE party
and if u cant take the pressure but wana still be a cleric then just leave the person that is bugging you lolz
so ya..... im gona stop talking now XD

[ErinIlliana]

I'm generally fine with buffing everyone and anyone; heck, I went around about an hour ago in Uruga enduring whoever I found didn't have it. However, I do love it when they respond with even the simplest form of thanks, as it shows openly that they appreciate it. I don't mind if they just continue on or are A.F.K., but if they acknowledge that we are doing it out of our will, then that's even better.

It almost seems like an automatic message: Buff plz. Some others use a more polite approach such as "May I please have buff/endure", though I don't discriminate who I endure from that. As long as there's please, I'll do it. Even if there isn't. But it does make me rather sad to see that few gamers just say "buff" like a demand, especially if they keep coming back to you and say it over and over again. It makes me feel like a robot, a systematic NPC.

This goes for those "HEALS" too. But I try not to let it get to me personally. After all, they may mean well, though the way it's written isn't exactly the most comforting for us clerics... But hey, that could just be the way the person talks, meaning no harm at all.

It is because of all these commotions that I feel so happy when someone thanks me. Even if it's just a "thx" or "ty", no matter how simplistic. I feel joy from helping like that. Which is why it upsets me so when others charge money for it. I mean, clerics are basically the most financially well off, why go through the trouble of demanding more profit when it can easily be made from sheer soloing, or even better, AoE parties?

[barloka]

well if they wont say plz or w/e then just dont buff em till they do XD

[BlueberryCheescake]

Clerics are the civil service officers of Fiesta (like police, paramedics, firemen, etc.). No one thanks them for what they do because it's what they do. They deserve thanks, and it's nice to hear from time to time, but it's not like you didn't know what you were signing up for before hand when you chose to become the only support class in the game. I heal and rez. Do I always get thanked? No. Do I care? No. Why? Because I became a cleric so that I could help people in a way they need it most in this game. I didn't do it to be popular. I didn't do it to earn favor. I also didn't do it for appreciation. Knowing that I just saved someone the trouble of a 20 min journey all the way back to a hunting ground from a town, or knowing I just saved someone's life or gave them the extra few seconds they needed with Invince is gratifying enough for me. It should be for any cleric. The way to think of it is this: people may not acknowledge your importance; but deep down, you know that they know they need you. You know that what you do is important. Are we unappreciated? At times, it may feel that way. However, remember that many do appreciate what you do for them, but just don't show it. Do you thank a doctor for giving you a flu vaccine? Most likely not. However, you are grateful for it when your friend, loved one, or significant other gets the flu and are miserable for a week.

well said. I agree with you... ^^


well you chose too be a cleric >.> which means you gota buff ppl if they ask even if they dont say thx >.> and when ur in a party you take resposibility for the tanker and if its too much mobs for your healing too handle then ask the tanker too tone it down a bit but of course its the tankers fault also because they are the one who takes the risk too get exp
being a cleric is a tough job cause you gota look out for your party's hp while the rest just concentrate on attacking and hoping for you too heal them
this is basicly how the clerics world works :x
and if you cant take the pressure then just leave the job of being a cleric
cause this is why i became a cleric its tougher cause you gota heal like crazy when your in a AoE party
and if u cant take the pressure but wana still be a cleric then just leave the person that is bugging you lolz
so ya..... im gona stop talking now XD

same thing barloka...




It is because of all these commotions that I feel so happy when someone thanks me. Even if it's just a "thx" or "ty", no matter how simplistic. I feel joy from helping like that. Which is why it upsets me so when others charge money for it. I mean, clerics are basically the most financially well off, why go through the trouble of demanding more profit when it can easily be made from sheer soloing, or even better, AoE parties?

*nods*

There's no other class that can give the same buffs as you do. Let's illustrate an example, you don't thank a mage for killing the monsters, do you? :S Do remember there are kids and some people don't intentionally ask for buffs in a rude manner, they just didn't know that it was rude. If it pisses you, try to give them a chance and politely tell them next time, "I'd appreciate a thanks or please when you ask next time" A little reminder like that wouldn't hurt really ^^

'People need to learn to have manners'. I agree but to deprive them of buff or heal or rev... that's a bit too much unless you're busy or you ran out of stones (you can mush though... hm). However, I do respect your right to refuse or whatnot, but personally I don't do that even when I'm pissed or what; because for me it's not that hard really to do those things: buff/heal/rev. It's a privilege to be able to help people, imo.

If they do it again and you remember them being rude to you last time, then thats the time you have the right to refuse or what not. It's part of being a cleric. Try to be more understandable of people, it's not much of an effort really to click a button on ur keyboard.... poof. If you're busy or in a hurry, then they should understand it. Also, the best you can do for the worst kind of players that are too demanding is you ignore them :3

Clerics aren't underappreciated :p


well if they wont say plz or w/e then just dont buff em till they do XD
.. hmm maybe I should have asked for a dance everytime they asked for buff. ROFL.

[barloka]

well said. I agree with you... ^^



same thing barloka...



*nods*

There's no other class that can give the same buffs as you do. Let's illustrate an example, you don't thank a mage for killing the monsters, do you? :S Do remember there are kids and some people don't intentionally ask for buffs in a rude manner, they just didn't know that it was rude. If it pisses you, try to give them a chance and politely tell them next time, "I'd appreciate a thanks or please when you ask next time" A little reminder like that wouldn't hurt really ^^

'People need to learn to have manners'. I agree but to deprive them of buff or heal or rev... that's a bit too much unless you're busy or you ran out of stones (you can mush though... hm). However, I do respect your right to refuse or whatnot, but personally I don't do that even when I'm pissed or what; because for me it's not that hard really to do those things: buff/heal/rev. It's a privilege to be able to help people, imo.

If they do it again and you remember them being rude to you last time, then thats the time you have the right to refuse or what not. It's part of being a cleric. Try to be more understandable of people, it's not much of an effort really to click a button on ur keyboard.... poof. If you're busy or in a hurry, then they should understand it. Also, the best you can do for the worst kind of players that are too demanding is you ignore them :3

Clerics aren't underappreciated :p


.. hmm maybe I should have asked for a dance everytime they asked for buff. ROFL.

Go chinsky :D :D :D :D :D :D <3

[ErinIlliana]

well if they wont say plz or w/e then just dont buff em till they do XD

Well, I don't really care if they say please or not. It just makes me happier to oblige when they do. xD I dislike denying people the right to be aided, so I buff regardless of if they ask or not. If I see them hanging out around me, I endure them, because they may be typing the request, be too shy to actually ask, or just happened to be standing around (which, if it's the last one, it doesn't hurt to help!).

I totally agree with you Chinsky, you've nailed the "issue" excellently. Most don't realize it sounds rude in the receiving end. Just something like "buff" sounds demanding, but I couldn't care less. They're still bothering to ask, not like they're going around stomping in frustration until we get the message, ahahah.

You're right, we're not underappreciated. We're basically one of the most sought after classes!

But... that makes me think... there are those that accuse some clerics that are lower than 47 of lying that they do not have buff and sometimes proceed to call them names. That, out of everything else, hurts me. It really does. Being unable to get a buff shouldn't be the cause of someone blowing their top off and getting all mad over it. There are other clerics like us who are more than willing to endure. So it's very painful to see those clerics being attacked for what they're unable to do. Please understand, I'm not trying to rat out anyone or take this as an opportunity to accuse others, but this really is so saddening for me!

[barloka]

well lets just remind ppl too say thanks :P next time they ask for buffs and such

[mavricgabriel]

Actually, I'm a lvl 23 High Cleric & I think that clerics just HAVE to do things when people say, "Buff/Rez/Heal/Cure me," because in places like KQ, clerics NEED to do that in order to succesfully make it through the KingdomQuest ALIVE!!! so really, I'ts just what clerics are supposed to do, like a job or something.

As, youve mentioned, KQ is a different story... You rev/heal/cure just because all of you have the same goal... To win a kingdom quest... But try it on the field, where everyone is busy killing every monster that spawns. you'll be amazed by how much players will ask for something from you, and get nothing in return... not even a thank you:mad:

[horong]

I wouldn't say we're under appreciated, its more like we're abused... constantly. I had reached Level 40 just yesterday (time zone is different) and within 10 minutes of putting on my new armor (sweet stats) and training in CP, i was already asked by numerous people for buffs.

lol, I haven't even gotten my lvl 40 armor and already they are asking for buffs. and I am lvl 42.

[Forfirith]

Hm...Well you are a level 47 Cleric, I wouldn't get tired of giving buffs out. But it is CONSTANT! D: And I don't think I can take it. I think this would turn me in to a mean cleric. And OMG!. You = Brethren :P

Well anyway, I think I would get tired of people asking for buffs. I'm not even the right level and people still ask me about buffs. I think Clerics are kinda misunderstood, people of other classes don't know much about them unless they were one.

We aren't understood, we are just a dual type class. Types to heal and fight.

Don't say you'll get tired.... When I 1st got my endure I was like *happyhappy_mode_on* and I remember the 1st person I endured was OsXmos :3 lol (a kissu for you ~~) And from there on, I like to sometimes take walks trough the towns and simply random buff aka buff all you see :P Same thing in a place I'm grinding... you'll see it won't come as a responsibility like "Jou must buffzz" or smt like that... before I reached 47 ppl asked me for buffs lotsa times and it frustrated me that I couldn't buff, now the funny thing is.. ppl dont ask as much xD

So for me Clerics are not under appreciated.... for the fact that our class exist we must do our job... like you demand a fighter with end stats to tank, or a DD to make kills faster... to each its place in society. If you become a cleric for the "thanks!" "ty" and "tyvm"s you're just lacking attention :P Ppl forgot to thank you? Don't mind.. that person might not have appreciated but the next can be very grateful, you get your dose of love/worship (lol) and they become happy.


But then ... each person is its own... you could even chose to be one of those evil_clerics that pretend you don't exist...


This topic theme is old.... you should be more worried about the annoying ksers/plvling ppl that come later ... (starts off-topic)

[CP - Grinding green grounds (ggg)] (based on real facts)

me: *ruins sanctuary* ~soloing 3~4ogres and the eventual coll~
gyhgl_archer: *start attacking same mob* "pt me"
me: >.> ...... [silence] *lets him do wht he wants.... hell get bored*
gyhgl_archer: *attacks all agroed mob, attacks neighbour mobs, trains me* "pt"
me: *starts spamm heal* [silence] 'He'll get bored...eventually' *wishful thinking*
gyhgl_archer: "#%$#%" *gets more mobs from aoe ground, trains me again, gets killed in the end* "...rez"
me: *at moment +8mobs, poting&spamheal&inv* =.='' "You're j/king right?...."
gyhgl_archer: *tasting the floor* "/s REZ [insertcoordshere]" *warps instantly*
othercleric: *looks around* "/s Where are you?"
me: *less mobs now* "He warped...."

gyhgl_archer: *arrives fresh from eld + some friends* "pt me"
gyhgl_cleric: *spam heals me* "pt"
gyhgl_mage: *ksing mobs from other surrounding players* "plvl pls"

me: *still there....big mistake* [keeps silent treatment]
gyhgl_archer&friends: *starts training again*
me: '***??' *runs away from mob...ends up training ppl in the way and dying*


unfortunately I get this a lot there.... used to be a safe place xD .... btw dont trust ppl who ask for pt there.... they steal your greens and run away xD.... such a pity training is illegal...

[kinsin]

obviously some people are idiots and say "no one thanks the clerics" and tons of people thank clerics all the time for buffs, hell i get buffs when i dont even ask and i pretty much get on my knees and bow to them with thanks....
so stfu about EVERYONE not thanking you guys... im really really nice to clerics, i ask politely and only ask once and thank them as if i was before god on judgement day

yea, you guys get a lot of crap from nubs and rude children who think your a tool and are most likely powerlvled every day or ks, but c'mon guys n gals, your all saying the same thing over and over again
your 70% of the time unappreciated and 30% appreciated, trust me if i ever have to ask someone for a buff that isn't already a friend who just buffs me randomly... i'll bow down and worship you to make you feel appreciated, and most likely you will respond like other clerics have with "^^" or something

their are a good portion of players who do appreciate it and show it.... sorry im just sick of reading the same post by most of you, people get the point and they STILL WILL NOT CHANGE, b/c they are immature and dont care to be nice... its unfortunate but thats life sadly...
to those of you saying we die without your buff.... wow, if your dieing everytime u go out without a buff your pathetic and gtfo of the zone, go lvl where you can solo
but seriously......
just remember their are some people out their who do really appreciate it, we really appreciate it

[mentics]

Buff please barloka

*Gives him a nice (")(=^.^=)(") Meowwww

[kinsin]

lol what is that, a cat wooting? <(^.^<) <(^.^)> (>^.^)> KIRBY DANCE! t(>.<t) kirby finger!

[zircon91]

In the dark days before I made my mage, I was a cleric. My cleric only made lv35, so I haven't experianced the 'buff me' phase, but that was more or less enough to get a feel for how the class is treated in general. This was also before the relog exploit came into play, so clerics were highly valued for ressurection. On the whole, I found that people were generally pleasant and did thank you for help, even if they only said 'thx'.

The problem comes when the distinct minority of people start shouting orders at the cleric. It's very frustrating when fighters (or other classes) in the party are going 'heal me' or a DD dies and is going 'rez me' when the tank is barely holding off the mobs. Now, maybe this only happens with lower levels (I haven't personally seen it recently) but it has happened to me. Clerics (with a few bad exceptions) know what they are doing and already have practiced strategies to heal and manage rez priority in the best possible manner. Giving orders to clerics will only irk them and make the game less pleasant for everyone. I would compare it to the irritation of receiving 3 party invites from a lv20 noob while trying to solo orcs in uruga. Irritation adds up every time it happens and thus, clerics say they are being mistreated or unappreciated.

Now, from my point of view, if you can help someone outside your party, as a cleric you should. However I had tempered this by saying that if I could help someone and they asked politely then I would. If they didn't, I would tell them to try asking me nicely and refuse to help until they had done so. That's all it takes, ask me nicely and I would happily heal or rez you (or buff if I had raised Rika to lv47+). But ask or yell at me in an insulting manner and I will leave you to your own devices and perhaps downfall. After all, a cleric's duty belongs first and foremost to their party, not to the general population.

[XTerrorDrowX]

AHHHHHHHHHHH!This is my topic.As a cleric,sometimes i think i'm used like a dog or servent,"Buff" no plz >_<,"rezz",***?say plz for christ sake.And as princess said b4,ppl get mad at us when he don't heal "Properly" cuz,maybe u pulled too many.Real Example,anyone knows lady gamma?Well at that time I pted with her,I had just turned lvl 47 and she was 75.We were doing a duo aoe and she pulled like a whole field!I was keeping up at first...i think...but even though my cd was 2.1 secs,yo,my heals couldn't keep up,well u know wat happened,she died,prolly got mad and she left the pt,i...stranded there in the blue trumpies field where blue trumpies were spawning next to me.Ppl,WE AIN"T FRIGGIN GOD!We heal yes,but u can't always assume that we WILL keep u alive,no cleric is perfect,we do wat we can to help others,we give respect to get respect.And for u kinsin,be happy that u get buffed without asking instead of complaining.End of discussion

[CristoPT]

Don't get me wrong. Although I say usually I get a bit saturated of being ordered "buff" and so, I do so most of the times, and a lot of times without people asking me. I even go to low-level places heal / buff / res / help with quests when I feel like doing so. I could care less if they thank me or not, since most never heard of said buff.

It just depends on my helping mood. I do the best of my ability for my party / guild / kq mates and for my friends. I mostly get pissed about some rude behaviors (not just "buff").

I managed to get several people dancing for a buff too :D that can be pretty funny, and if the person who asked is in a playful mood he won't really mind, either.

Although all this, I've seen someone at Uruga asking a cleric friend of mine to "buff". She said she would do so if he spelled the word "please". Then he said "fu, you're not the only cleric." and gone away. It's these types of things I usually get annoyed at, he didn't even want to say please just for the sake of being buffed. I don't really mind buffing that much, but I usually don't do so to people like this, who have actually expressed a rude behavior.

[kinsin]

dude dont insult me, like i said I AM REALLY NICE WHEN I ASK i ask politely and only once, if its a no then oh well i'll leave and wont think anything about it, i'll use my scrolls and go
most the time im buffed without knowing and i still thank every cleric around with a shout b/c i dont know who did it
i just read everyones thread, every single one... and its just the same thing over, NOBODY CARES ABOUT US, WERE TREATED LIKE DIRT BY "EVERYONE" well guess what... some of us are very nice and polite when we ask for something
i didn't say, stop bytching, b/c you guys have a right to be mad when people in this thread say "its your job"
i've experienced it while in a party and the cleric in our party goes omg, i just got spam whispered for buff while i was healing you guys... its completely rude and i understand
but not everyone is a complete jerk about it, thats all im saying

[CristoPT]

dude dont insult me, like i said I AM REALLY NICE WHEN I ASK i ask politely and only once, if its a no then oh well i'll leave and wont think anything about it, i'll use my scrolls and go
most the time im buffed without knowing and i still thank every cleric around with a shout b/c i dont know who did it
i just read everyones thread, every single one... and its just the same thing over, NOBODY CARES ABOUT US, WERE TREATED LIKE DIRT BY "EVERYONE" well guess what... some of us are very nice and polite when we ask for something
i didn't say, stop bytching, b/c you guys have a right to be mad when people in this thread say "its your job"
i've experienced it while in a party and the cleric in our party goes omg, i just got spam whispered for buff while i was healing you guys... its completely rude and i understand
but not everyone is a complete jerk about it, thats all im saying

That's nice, because while I actually buff, I actually praise people who ask well for buff too. And believe me, people can really make my day when they ask well, and I'll make sure to remember them so I can buff them whenever I see them. I'm sorry if I ever refused to buff someone asking me nicely.

[motherpussbucket]

Being a cleric myself i can understand your view point. AND i agree. I like 2 help eandom ppl but it dose get a little tiring wher ppl dont say thnx for what they ask 2 recive.

[barloka]

Buff please barloka

*Gives him a nice (")(=^.^=)(") Meowwww

your so weird mentics @.@
love you mentics XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
<3 how come you don party with me -.-*
and i wana PvP you D:<

[Lythari]

It's not so much the 'please and thank you' that bothers me. It's when people do completely idiotic things, then blame me for dying because I couldn't heal fast enough. Do not blame me for your own stupidity. It's also annoying to hear people blame you for losing a KQ because you couldn't heal fast enough and the tanker dies. If the tanker had only used 1pt or 1 stone, they would still be alive. However, it's easier to just die and blame the cleric. Nice.

However, there are some ignorant clerics who do not know that they are there to heal, not fight. Actually, there are a LOT. That is why when I am using my fighter, I start ptting or stoning when my health dips below half.

[kinsin]

lol well maybe morons shouldn't invite every cleric they see at the beginning of a kq... thats the problem
people yell for the tanks to mock... WITH WHAT HEALERS haha, after a few minutes of this i walk out to the mobs and just kill myself back to roumen lol
its like.. dont blame the healers for accepting invites, but i gotta say some healers are just morons, i'll say, a few clerics drop group and go with the tanks, and nobody volunteers... honestly now its common sense to drop group with ur with 3 other clerics and join another... not all, this is only a small portion of clerics, probably the ones that got plvl up til now :)

[Teraii]

I usually get thanked, actually. I've only met a couple people who haven't shown appreciation for getting rezed or healed or whatever.

The only thing that bugs me is when people in KQ run really far ahead of the group, and then complain about not being healed >.< .

[kinsin]

lol rushing doesn't win... leaving others behind to die is stupid... i hate when people split groups like that

[milkncookies]

MORMO would like to thank all the clerics and highclerics that have healed, buffed, rezzed, or even helped him in one way or another.

I know I die alot in game, especially back when I was a nub [aint that right, Rilka? Neema? Chinsky? ha!] and when I'm in AOE parties [Tainted_Druid/4chan can back me up on this with that party we had in CP yesterday :x] .... I'm really suicidal at times and I don't think about the damage the monsters can deal, but you clerics in party always try to keep me and the other dudes alive, so you guys are RLY awesome. And I'm sorry if you had to die and lose 54126398752 exp just to save me and my crews. ><"

Muchos lovelies from teh Mormoz. :)

You guys rule, really. I just hope that all clerics were the same, and that some didn't abuse their power. Btw, to all the highclerics that always reject my offers of silver after i ask for a rez in w/e map, from the bottom of my heart : thanks. Its touching to know that there ARE people who play with their heart on this game, and spare a thought for the dead. And poor. Like me. :x

<3

[kinsin]

you can play with my heart mormo... among other things 8D

[milkncookies]

you can play with my heart mormo... among other things 8D

DANG it Kinsin!

Stop stalking me! roflwaffles.

[methusala]

This reminds me of a few days ago when my party was hunting TK. Our archer was hasty and pulled TK and his adds over to us before my mock had cooled down from the battle we just had and so the cleric pulled aggro while trying to heal the archer (i had kicked and was stunned at this point) well of course the cleric dies and the rest of my party starts to run. I mock and tank TK and three adds with stones and pots and we kill him just fine with no cleric.

wait... what were you saying?

[element10]

if any class is underapreciated its the archers CLERICS r needed ther4 they r greatly apreciated

[Lythari]

if any class is underapreciated its the archers CLERICS r needed ther4 they r greatly apreciated

Underappreciated: When someone takes you for granted and takes advantage of your kindness

Underpowered: When a game screws you over and you are missing several skills.

Learn the difference, please.

[Empathys]

well you chose too be a cleric >.> which means you gota buff ppl if they ask even if they dont say thx >.>

Fail. Fail miserably. See, Clerics being able to buff you is a privilege you have. So if the Cleric doesn't want to buff, they have the right to refuse. I often refuse out-right to buff people because they're rude, don't ask properly or spam me in normal chat and in PMs.

Sorry for having self-respect. But I'm not to be ordered around by the 30 people an hour that spam for buffs. While in most cases I'll tell them I don't buff people who don't ask (buff plx/plz, buff, endure). It generally doesn't sink in that I will buff them if they type it out (Can u buff me pls/plz/plx? is sufficient).

Instead they go straight to cussing me out or calling me rude. Underappreciated? Not really. Lack of respect for Clerics? I think so.

It's not like this in only Fiesta. Every other game I've played a Cleric in has been treated the same way. While we may be life batteries, we certainly have the right to choose.

Our "job" as has been stated, is to heal our party. If you're not in a Clerics' party we can't be expected to take orders from you.

[XTerrorDrowX]

Tell me if this makes sense,ur in an aoe pt healing the tank,if u don't heal the tank,the tank will die,ur healing and healing when someone comes up to u during an aoe and ask u for a buff.U can't stop healing to buff someone,right?So u continue healing the tank,the person ask again,u don't even have time to type to say hold on,so u continue healing,then the person runs off to his pt and says the stupid cleric won't buff me,we're treated like dogs.No other class has it as hard as us.

[Lythari]

Tell me if this makes sense,ur in an aoe pt healing the tank,if u don't heal the tank,the tank will die,ur healing and healing when someone comes up to u during an aoe and ask u for a buff.U can't stop healing to buff someone,right?So u continue healing the tank,the person ask again,u don't even have time to type to say hold on,so u continue healing,then the person runs off to his pt and says the stupid cleric won't buff me,we're treated like dogs.No other class has it as hard as us.

I will say this again: you made a conscious choice to be a cleric. It's no secret that we are the only healing class in the game and that's all many see us as: a walking first aid kit. You didn't honestly think it would be sunshine and rainbows every day, did you?

You knew what you signed up for. Don't come here and gripe about everything wrong with the world. Grow up, realize the world is an imperfect place, and suck it up. There are several things I could whine about, but you do not see me crying on people's shoulder.

[XTerrorDrowX]

I will say this again: you made a conscious choice to be a cleric. It's no secret that we are the only healing class in the game and that's all many see us as: a walking first aid kit. You didn't honestly think it would be sunshine and rainbows every day, did you?

You knew what you signed up for. Don't come here and gripe about everything wrong with the world. Grow up, realize the world is an imperfect place, and suck it up. There are several things I could whine about, but you do not see me crying on people's shoulder. *Chuckle* This coming from a person whose sig and ava is an archer,*cough*,my respond to this statement,i didn't as u say "signed up" to be treated like a servent,i chose to be a cleric so i can HELP ppl,not do everything they demand but help.So before u open ur mouth, think twice before u speak,"Little" girl.

[princessalid]

i agree with you terror...i also became a cleric to help people, but some people don't appreciate that help, this is why i don't like partying with random people

[kinsin]

your not underappreciated by all like i said before, its a small group of noobs who like to be jerks when you dont buff them or the ones that spam buff plz, and to be honest the meanest people in the game i've met are clerics... not all, but a "small group" of them who seem to have this "i am god and i keep you alive" well im an archer... i solo most the time, i dont need you to help me by ksing me mob saying it was help then when i say dont ks you say "i'll remember that when your lying in the dirt"...
as you can tell by now i've had a few bad experiences with ksing clerics who get mad when i say "plz dont ks ty"
and no they are not from random guilds... usually from good ones who are just stuck up

BUT THATS A SMALL GROUP...hell tons of players do this.... but i get the worst responses from clerics lately...., most this stuff you guys complain about are the same people who do it everyday who are just nubs, dont waste your breathe, if they spam you with hate msgs its their loss, but being rude back to them... well dont you think you were just as bad? probably not, since maturity may be hard to find in this game.. but i hope the majority of you does think this way...

it is what it is and its not gonna change anytime soon... some games like WoW won't let a high lvl buff "fortitude" go on a newbie, they have to go to a low ranking spell to use it on them.. maybe that would help change things a little :) maybe one day archers will be more useful 60+
we'll see, the game is still a work in progres ^^

[Lythari]

*Chuckle* This coming from a person whose sig and ava is an archer,*cough*,my respond to this statement,i didn't as u say "signed up" to be treated like a servent,i chose to be a cleric so i can HELP ppl,not do everything they demand but help.So before u open ur mouth, think twice before u speak,"Little" girl.

1. I do not fully understand what my choice in avatar and signature has to do with the situation.

2. I wasn't trying to be rude: I was being direct and blunt. There is a difference

3. I became a cleric for the same reason, and am capable of overlooking the ungrateful morons in the world without whining about it.

4. If you are going to judge me, at least extend me the courtesy of judging me based on what you know about me; not what you think you know. I don't believe you realize just how low of a blow that was...

I really did not want to spark a flame war. Forgive me if you took offense to my honest opinion on the subject. However, it is most annoying to hear people do nothing but complain about everything that isn't perfect with a game. You can do a lot worse than Fiesta. So there are people who don't fully appreciate you; that is life. Do you think cops are fully appreciated for what they do? What about doctors? Hm...it is something worth thinking. Do you thank your local law enforcement for keeping your place of residence safe? Most likely not. However, you do not see them complaining about it, and trust me: they have far more to complain about that people demanding heals and buffs. When you stop and think about how bad you really have it, it really gives you a sense of perception, no?

[Jobo7]

who needs clerics!?, just +9 your high end/dex gear and your good to go :P, and if your a lvl60+ mage, you can solo aoe!! :D:D:D

even easier with charm and extender. ;)

[kinsin]

that makes me sick jobo... mages so useful and archers so unuseful 60+
hmm what class shouldi lvl next.. fighter maybe

[XTerrorDrowX]

1. I do not fully understand what my choice in avatar and signature has to do with the situation.

2. I wasn't trying to be rude: I was being direct and blunt. There is a difference

3. I became a cleric for the same reason, and am capable of overlooking the ungrateful morons in the world without whining about it.

4. If you are going to judge me, at least extend me the courtesy of judging me based on what you know about me; not what you think you know. I don't believe you realize just how low of a blow that was...

I really did not want to spark a flame war. Forgive me if you took offense to my honest opinion on the subject. However, it is most annoying to hear people do nothing but complain about everything that isn't perfect with a game. You can do a lot worse than Fiesta. So there are people who don't fully appreciate you; that is life. Do you think cops are fully appreciated for what they do? What about doctors? Hm...it is something worth thinking. Do you thank your local law enforcement for keeping your place of residence safe? Most likely not. However, you do not see them complaining about it, and trust me: they have far more to complain about that people demanding heals and buffs. When you stop and think about how bad you really have it, it really gives you a sense of perception, no?
Hmmm...ur making a point but ur missing one was well.We 're not complaining about the game,we're complaining about how we are treated by others,u prolly don't know how it feels to be treated badly by random strangers,it ain't a good feeling.All we want is respect,give respect to get respect,end of discussion.

[Kimukai]

*Chuckle* This coming from a person whose sig and ava is an archer,*cough*,my respond to this statement,i didn't as u say "signed up" to be treated like a servent,i chose to be a cleric so i can HELP ppl,not do everything they demand but help.So before u open ur mouth, think twice before u speak,"Little" girl.

Erm, misunderstanding there...her siggy may be an archer but she uses a cleric..

saw her posts about how ppl talk about cleric being the "unfair" class...able to attack n heal and stuf...she is on the cleric's side :D

[Andrewm]

this is how i work, if anyone demands any of my powers i reject them, for example this guy just went up to me and said "heal" and i was like "shoo"

[Syndil-san]

It's the same tune, I read same situation in forums just for clerics. All clerics suffer from the other mean players of Fiesta. Alot of times I get tired of seeing 'buff me' on my screen and just ignore them or hope they think I'm afk. I have sat in CP for a bit of time and there are 20+ noobs hanging there and dying super easily. COMON! Respawn you'll be warp to Elderine and walk back. Is it really that far of a walk?! Half the time I don't even get a 'thank you' from people I res. Can't say much about buff since sometimes I buff on random. >.> I never even ask for buff from another cleric when I was to low to cast it upon myelf.

But yeah...other classes need clerics. Maybe not fighers so much if then ain't aoeing. Evil bums with there great def -.-. But mages do. I duo with mages alot and they need to be heal alot!

[revatio]

I'm an archer, when I need buffs, I ask clerics nicely, and see to it that I don't forget thanking them. And when in parties, I dont get mad that easily.. I'm not like others that are so demanding when it comes to asking for buffs and stuffs and end up not thanking the cleric. >.<

[BlueberryCheescake]

Hmm....

I see the underappreciated part when in a party, and people die, clerics are usually the first to blame (though it's kind of logical too) but there are times clerics are used as scapegoats meaning the tank refuses to admit he took lots of mobs or what not and the pressure is on the cleric. That can be frustrating at times.

However the issue on healing/buffing/reving... when you give these freely no matter how they ask it or if they don't thank you, I believe it does not imply any lack of self-respect. FYI, I do not smile and thank people when they insult me. ;P But I don't go cursing out or killing the person that calls me stupid either ;P That would be immature eh?

The point is, don't take things so seriously. Why feel insulted when they don't ask with a please? What is SO insulting about that? It sounds a demand? .... if they were asking you to enhance their weapon then maybe I would understand but for a buff? .... how hard is it to hand a buff really? And if they don't say please, is it so hard to remind them to say please next time AFTER you give them the buff? (at least u taught one person manners ;P)

The only time I would and might think we're underappreciated is when people EXPECT us to buff them everytime, meaning when you pass through a person, you ARE expected to buff them even if they DONT ask. and if you don't, people will think you're a bad cleric. That's the only situation I will not tolerate. But still, people go out of their way to follow and ask you for a buff? Isn't that enough? ;P

If there were any other class that can buff/heal/rev then I'd understand they are being demanding. ... but because we're the only ones that can do those, how can you be irritated at the fact that people go to you for these things? I dont get it. XD

[Syndil-san]

I think it's really alot of the noobs that create the issue of this forum and many others like it. When I was leveling my nub mage and doing Slime KQ lower level fighters or other classes in KQ would shout HEAL or HEAL PLS. A cleric can only do some much. I do alot of aoe parties and sometimes the mob is very overwhelming and need a little help from the one that is tanking. Just use a stone or a pot when your health is super low and we are unable to bring it back up without getting you kill. It takes time to use reju. Plus even though we max cool time on heal there is still some seconds till it ready to be use and that could cost the tanker. Plus a cleric wont get a skill like a mage's chain skill till they are 67!!! So it'll be sometime before they can do that and sonme clerics might not get that far. Out of not being able to find a party or got angery with the level 60 job change.

[angel_sanctuary]

cleric just has alot of jobs, if you are a cleric, you know that when starting.

[Lythari]

Hmmm...ur making a point but ur missing one was well.We 're not complaining about the game,we're complaining about how we are treated by others,u prolly don't know how it feels to be treated badly by random strangers,it ain't a good feeling.All we want is respect,give respect to get respect,end of discussion.

Check #3 on my earlier post. I try to avoid preaching, but right now I feel the need to get on my soap box. If you do not like lectures in behavioral philosophy, avoid this post. You have been warned.

First of all: again, you are making assumptions about me. You have know idea who I am. Now then:

Everywhere you go, there are @ssholes. There are total jerks who take advantage of you, who don't appreciate what you do, and some people who all you can do is smile and say "have a nice day". That is life. But here is the thing: you don't know why they are the way they are. For all you know, they could be having the worst day of their life. Their dog, no, their most loyal and faithful freind could have just died. I'm not just talking about in the game; I am talking about people in general. You don't always know the story behind the person. Now if someone comes up to you and acts disrespectful, rude, or just plain spiteful, there are different ways of reacting to this. You can get angry and fight back. After all, who are they to talk to you that way? Or you can crawl into your shell and isolate yourself. Some people just don't seem to like you, and it would be better if you just disappeared for a while. You can always take the 'don't care' postion, cuz some ppl just need ta chill. Or you can accept the fact that not everyone thinks about what they are saying or doing, and how what they say/do affects others. Some are just being blunt (like I was earlier). Here is the thing: you don't know why people do and act the way they do. However, there is almost always a reason for it. Getting upset and hurt by it is pointless, imho, because it can't be avoided. Someone is going to be a jerk everywhere, everytime, and for every reason in the world. It may not be so much a lack of respect as opposed to being situational. Now, I am not saying that clerics are not worthy of respect. You have no control over how other people act; you only have control over how you choose to react to them. Instead of just assuming people don't respect or appreciate you, why not take a look at things from another perspective? Why not stop and think that they may be having problems or frustrations? Why always assume the bad scenario and choose to see people at their worst?

Look at earlier. You took one look at my signature and avatar, and assumed I didn't know my @ss from a hole in the ground when it came to clerics. You made unjustified assumptions about me without actually knowing me. The point here is that you chose to see only one perspective. Was it correct or accurate? I do not know, and that is not for me to decide (it's up to you to judge your own actions). However, I could decide how I chose to react to that. Did I get angry? Did I choose to flame back? No. I instead re-read my post from another perspective, and realized that it did sound somewhat instigative. I apologized for any offense I may have cause, and went on to clarify my point. I saw things from your perpective instead of my own. This is not to garner attention or bring up past events; just simply an example that was handy.

The point I am trying to make in an indirect sort of way is this: if you conduct yourself in a way that commands respect, you will get it. If you go and protest the injustices that clerics face, that is not a way that commands respect. You look at figures that you do respect. How do they dress themselves? How do they behave? How do they carry themselves? They do so in a way that commands respect. If you can take someone's guff, and handle it in a mature and distinguished manner, you will gain more respect that you realize. I submit to you:

How do you better gain respect? By asking for it, or showing the world that you are worthy of it in how you conduct yourself?

It is something to consider...

Now about the bolded part: Everyone has experienced this. I have had more than my fair shair of doses. You see, I have personal issues that even some of my friends don't understand; and many choose not to. Not only do I have to deal with other people's lack of respect for my situation, I have to deal with some of my friends and family's lack of it as well. In fact, some of my own family members despise me for it (namely my brother, a few cousins, and my aunt). Why am I telling you this? Is it to garner sympathy from everyone? Is it so sound like a victim of society? No. Do I want everyone to feel sorry for me? No. I am telling you this so that you remember one thing: everyone has their battles to fight and their mountains to climb. You have no control over how others either help or hinder your progress: only how you choose to let that assistance or hinderance affect you. Will you let someone else's problem affect you? Will you let someone else's bad day become yours? You can only control how you deal with situations. Now I ask:

Will you let other's drag you down or will you rise above their unscrupulous attempts to rob you of your joy?

That is the end of my sermon. If someone has a problem with you, that is their problem. That is something they have to deal with. Don't let their problem become yours. I have had many people act less than gentlemenly towards my cleric. Do I get up set? No. They are the ones with the issue; not you. If they don't respect you, that is their problem; not yours. It's hard to not respect what clerics, do however. Any class can kill each other or other enemies; but who do you run to in this game with a boo boo? What is the only class that can take life, and give it back? Take comfort in knowing this.

[Syndil-san]

cleric just has alot of jobs, if you are a cleric, you know that when starting.

XD Actually Misa I didn't really know what I got into when I play a cleric I was just having fun level it and before I know it got higher and higher. I have good days and bad days, days I love buffing and days I wanna crawl into a hole.

[XExpressionX]

Actually, I'm a lvl 23 High Cleric & I think that clerics just HAVE to do things when people say, "Buff/Rez/Heal/Cure me," because in places like KQ, clerics NEED to do that in order to succesfully make it through the KingdomQuest ALIVE!!! so really, I'ts just what clerics are supposed to do, like a job or something.

Okay...But Most of the time (excuse my language) noobs(Ill just call them low lvs >.>) Low lvs ask for buffs. And the main place that they ask for them is Collapsed Prison. And they shouldn't be there! They should be in Forest of Mist or somewhere where they are lv appropriate to train like Forest of Mist or Sea of Greed. In Kingdom quest I would be happy to give buffs because they need it. If I dont I lose out cuz I wont get exp And that is BAD! >:|

[XExpressionX]

well you chose too be a cleric >.> which means you gota buff ppl if they ask even if they dont say thx >.> and when ur in a party you take resposibility for the tanker and if its too much mobs for your healing too handle then ask the tanker too tone it down a bit but of course its the tankers fault also because they are the one who takes the risk too get exp
being a cleric is a tough job cause you gota look out for your party's hp while the rest just concentrate on attacking and hoping for you too heal them
this is basicly how the clerics world works :x
and if you cant take the pressure then just leave the job of being a cleric
cause this is why i became a cleric its tougher cause you gota heal like crazy when your in a AoE party
and if u cant take the pressure but wana still be a cleric then just leave the person that is bugging you lolz
so ya..... im gona stop talking now XD

I chose to be a cleric to help people. I still wanna be a cleric. One thing you are completely wrong about is that I have to buff people. I dont have to do it, I choose to do it. And if you are pissed off at my descision then you scream at me I definitally am not going to buff you.

[XExpressionX]

I became a cleric to heal people, and when I got more into I learned that later therein I could buff. Which was really happy for me at the time because I want to buff everyone. *Dreams of buffing new players where they spawn*

Also in Cp there was a guy at like lv 25.*Archer* So I kindly said to him
"I think you should leave. It is kinda dangerous for you here with your amount of hp."
So he quickly said "Buffz me plez" While all the more attacked a King Coll.
I then said "you will die. Just watch."*Ominous*
He keeps attacking the Coll and then it comes to him and uses it special attack. He dies instantly. He then puts caps lock on and demands "REZ PLEZ!!!"
"I told you so :\"
"REZ ME *****!"
"Well with that attitude I'm not reviving you."
*King Coll gets my Aggro and attacks; I attack back, typing while fighting.*
"NO REZ ME PLEZ!!"
"I told you that you would die but you didnt listen."
"*** REZ ME!"
"You shouldn't even be here. I'm not reviving you because you need to go back to elderine and go to Sea of Greed or something."
he then still complains until his time runs out.
If he had been nice then left then I would have MAYBE revived him. But he still should not be there and go to where he is supposed to go at that level.

I'm cruel for a reason :\

[Jobo7]

that makes me sick jobo... mages so useful and archers so unuseful 60+
hmm what class shouldi lvl next.. fighter maybe

lol I haven't played for 2 months almost. Im just saying what my plan with my mage was since I made it, hence all the nice end/dex items it has. And I didnt saying anything about archers sucking. I just said mages so far are the easiest to solo aoe. Once archers get there aoe's (poison, etc). Then maybe it will be very easy as well, no one knows yet. Fighters have devestate so they can solo aoe as well with the right items, build, gear, etc.

thats why I said, who needs clerics? (I dont know where you brought archers into this convo). anyways, clerics are not underappreciated. When I was playing, I got rez, buffed so many times I got tired of saying ty sometimes and maybe forgot. But it is APPRECIATED. You dont see my complainning.

And about dieing, I didn't care about dieing almost all the time anyways, Tank anything should always expect to die lol. When I reached lvl60+, I was going to start using teva 24/7 :P

[BlueberryCheescake]

Okay...But Most of the time (excuse my language) noobs(Ill just call them low lvs >.>) Low lvs ask for buffs. And the main place that they ask for them is Collapsed Prison. And they shouldn't be there! They should be in Forest of Mist or somewhere where they are lv appropriate to train like Forest of Mist or Sea of Greed. In Kingdom quest I would be happy to give buffs because they need it. If I dont I lose out cuz I wont get exp And that is BAD! >:|

... I think the very simple reason they go to CP for buff is because you wouldn't easily find a L47+ cleric hanging around at forest of mist or sea of greed.

[XTerrorDrowX]

Check #3 on my earlier post. I try to avoid preaching, but right now I feel the need to get on my soap box. If you do not like lectures in behavioral philosophy, avoid this post. You have been warned.

First of all: again, you are making assumptions about me. You have know idea who I am. Now then:

Everywhere you go, there are @ssholes. There are total jerks who take advantage of you, who don't appreciate what you do, and some people who all you can do is smile and say "have a nice day". That is life. But here is the thing: you don't know why they are the way they are. For all you know, they could be having the worst day of their life. Their dog, no, their most loyal and faithful freind could have just died. I'm not just talking about in the game; I am talking about people in general. You don't always know the story behind the person. Now if someone comes up to you and acts disrespectful, rude, or just plain spiteful, there are different ways of reacting to this. You can get angry and fight back. After all, who are they to talk to you that way? Or you can crawl into your shell and isolate yourself. Some people just don't seem to like you, and it would be better if you just disappeared for a while. You can always take the 'don't care' postion, cuz some ppl just need ta chill. Or you can accept the fact that not everyone thinks about what they are saying or doing, and how what they say/do affects others. Some are just being blunt (like I was earlier). Here is the thing: you don't know why people do and act the way they do. However, there is almost always a reason for it. Getting upset and hurt by it is pointless, imho, because it can't be avoided. Someone is going to be a jerk everywhere, everytime, and for every reason in the world. It may not be so much a lack of respect as opposed to being situational. Now, I am not saying that clerics are not worthy of respect. You have no control over how other people act; you only have control over how you choose to react to them. Instead of just assuming people don't respect or appreciate you, why not take a look at things from another perspective? Why not stop and think that they may be having problems or frustrations? Why always assume the bad scenario and choose to see people at their worst?

Look at earlier. You took one look at my signature and avatar, and assumed I didn't know my @ss from a hole in the ground when it came to clerics. You made unjustified assumptions about me without actually knowing me. The point here is that you chose to see only one perspective. Was it correct or accurate? I do not know, and that is not for me to decide (it's up to you to judge your own actions). However, I could decide how I chose to react to that. Did I get angry? Did I choose to flame back? No. I instead re-read my post from another perspective, and realized that it did sound somewhat instigative. I apologized for any offense I may have cause, and went on to clarify my point. I saw things from your perpective instead of my own. This is not to garner attention or bring up past events; just simply an example that was handy.

The point I am trying to make in an indirect sort of way is this: if you conduct yourself in a way that commands respect, you will get it. If you go and protest the injustices that clerics face, that is not a way that commands respect. You look at figures that you do respect. How do they dress themselves? How do they behave? How do they carry themselves? They do so in a way that commands respect. If you can take someone's guff, and handle it in a mature and distinguished manner, you will gain more respect that you realize. I submit to you:

How do you better gain respect? By asking for it, or showing the world that you are worthy of it in how you conduct yourself?

It is something to consider...

Now about the bolded part: Everyone has experienced this. I have had more than my fair shair of doses. You see, I have personal issues that even some of my friends don't understand; and many choose not to. Not only do I have to deal with other people's lack of respect for my situation, I have to deal with some of my friends and family's lack of it as well. In fact, some of my own family members despise me for it (namely my brother, a few cousins, and my aunt). Why am I telling you this? Is it to garner sympathy from everyone? Is it so sound like a victim of society? No. Do I want everyone to feel sorry for me? No. I am telling you this so that you remember one thing: everyone has their battles to fight and their mountains to climb. You have no control over how others either help or hinder your progress: only how you choose to let that assistance or hinderance affect you. Will you let someone else's problem affect you? Will you let someone else's bad day become yours? You can only control how you deal with situations. Now I ask:

Will you let other's drag you down or will you rise above their unscrupulous attempts to rob you of your joy?

That is the end of my sermon. If someone has a problem with you, that is their problem. That is something they have to deal with. Don't let their problem become yours. I have had many people act less than gentlemenly towards my cleric. Do I get up set? No. They are the ones with the issue; not you. If they don't respect you, that is their problem; not yours. It's hard to not respect what clerics, do however. Any class can kill each other or other enemies; but who do you run to in this game with a boo boo? What is the only class that can take life, and give it back? Take comfort in knowing this.
Wat u say is the truth,where ever we go,there will be fools and jerks who have no manners wat so ever,I respect u for wat ur saying and aplogize for my wrong assumptions and rudeness towards u.

[kinsin]

omg please close this thread, everyone gets the point and its not going to cchange, the same thing has been stated over and over again
clerics want a please and thank you, dont spam them or yell at them if they dont buff you when your being rude with 5 spams of "buff plz" okay? get it got it good.
every other class... your not being rude when you say buff plz, just dont spam it... maybe add a little ^^ thanky you or something to make the clerics feel appreciated, who cares just do it to stop the whining

were all friends now, :) lets get this thread closed? b/c people are gonna start arguing and making fun of eachother nonstop... ITS NOT GOING TO CHANGE, new players come everyday, this little thread wont help.. and 8 pages is enough whining about it... seriously no offense... but just sto pand think, it wont change :) im sorry if anyone took offense but im right...

[Kimukai]

Check #3 on my earlier post. I try to avoid preaching, but right now I feel the need to get on my soap box. If you do not like lectures in behavioral philosophy, avoid this post. You have been warned.

First of all: again, you are making assumptions about me. You have know idea who I am. Now then:

Everywhere you go, there are @ssholes. There are total jerks who take advantage of you, who don't appreciate what you do, and some people who all you can do is smile and say "have a nice day". That is life. But here is the thing: you don't know why they are the way they are. For all you know, they could be having the worst day of their life. Their dog, no, their most loyal and faithful freind could have just died. I'm not just talking about in the game; I am talking about people in general. You don't always know the story behind the person. Now if someone comes up to you and acts disrespectful, rude, or just plain spiteful, there are different ways of reacting to this. You can get angry and fight back. After all, who are they to talk to you that way? Or you can crawl into your shell and isolate yourself. Some people just don't seem to like you, and it would be better if you just disappeared for a while. You can always take the 'don't care' postion, cuz some ppl just need ta chill. Or you can accept the fact that not everyone thinks about what they are saying or doing, and how what they say/do affects others. Some are just being blunt (like I was earlier). Here is the thing: you don't know why people do and act the way they do. However, there is almost always a reason for it. Getting upset and hurt by it is pointless, imho, because it can't be avoided. Someone is going to be a jerk everywhere, everytime, and for every reason in the world. It may not be so much a lack of respect as opposed to being situational. Now, I am not saying that clerics are not worthy of respect. You have no control over how other people act; you only have control over how you choose to react to them. Instead of just assuming people don't respect or appreciate you, why not take a look at things from another perspective? Why not stop and think that they may be having problems or frustrations? Why always assume the bad scenario and choose to see people at their worst?

Look at earlier. You took one look at my signature and avatar, and assumed I didn't know my @ss from a hole in the ground when it came to clerics. You made unjustified assumptions about me without actually knowing me. The point here is that you chose to see only one perspective. Was it correct or accurate? I do not know, and that is not for me to decide (it's up to you to judge your own actions). However, I could decide how I chose to react to that. Did I get angry? Did I choose to flame back? No. I instead re-read my post from another perspective, and realized that it did sound somewhat instigative. I apologized for any offense I may have cause, and went on to clarify my point. I saw things from your perpective instead of my own. This is not to garner attention or bring up past events; just simply an example that was handy.

The point I am trying to make in an indirect sort of way is this: if you conduct yourself in a way that commands respect, you will get it. If you go and protest the injustices that clerics face, that is not a way that commands respect. You look at figures that you do respect. How do they dress themselves? How do they behave? How do they carry themselves? They do so in a way that commands respect. If you can take someone's guff, and handle it in a mature and distinguished manner, you will gain more respect that you realize. I submit to you:

How do you better gain respect? By asking for it, or showing the world that you are worthy of it in how you conduct yourself?

It is something to consider...

Now about the bolded part: Everyone has experienced this. I have had more than my fair shair of doses. You see, I have personal issues that even some of my friends don't understand; and many choose not to. Not only do I have to deal with other people's lack of respect for my situation, I have to deal with some of my friends and family's lack of it as well. In fact, some of my own family members despise me for it (namely my brother, a few cousins, and my aunt). Why am I telling you this? Is it to garner sympathy from everyone? Is it so sound like a victim of society? No. Do I want everyone to feel sorry for me? No. I am telling you this so that you remember one thing: everyone has their battles to fight and their mountains to climb. You have no control over how others either help or hinder your progress: only how you choose to let that assistance or hinderance affect you. Will you let someone else's problem affect you? Will you let someone else's bad day become yours? You can only control how you deal with situations. Now I ask:

Will you let other's drag you down or will you rise above their unscrupulous attempts to rob you of your joy?

That is the end of my sermon. If someone has a problem with you, that is their problem. That is something they have to deal with. Don't let their problem become yours. I have had many people act less than gentlemenly towards my cleric. Do I get up set? No. They are the ones with the issue; not you. If they don't respect you, that is their problem; not yours. It's hard to not respect what clerics, do however. Any class can kill each other or other enemies; but who do you run to in this game with a boo boo? What is the only class that can take life, and give it back? Take comfort in knowing this.


Yes. good points pointed out there ;)

[diealita]

im as kind as people are to me.

examples:

q: buff plz
a: whole sentence, plz
a2: if you could please ask in a correct sentence
(depends on my mood ;) )

q: may i have a buff?
a: sure :) *buffing*

q: none
a: *buffing cause happy*
then im even fine without thanks, cause person my be afk ;)

but when someone wants a buff, that helps them really a lot for a whole hour, is it really so hard to type down one sentence to ask? i dont think so. and i will stay with only buffing for a sentence :) and it worked!! in seg, where i am most of my time right now, people who know me already ask in a kind manner and i am happy to buff them anytime :) and if i see they dont have a buff im happy to give them one even when they dont ask because i just appeared or sth.

and if there were less clerics who obey demands (yes, i like to exaggerate in this point) people would really learn to ask nice slowly :)

if i am in a party im kinda different, i buff/heal/rez even without any questions :) but if someone dies its not my fault O.o they should learn to use their stones and pots, if im not fast enough with heals -.-

im not complaining, or whining, or whatever. i just have a clear statement. sure i have the time to buff anyone. but they should have the time to be polite too.

and to finish this: i pretty much appreciate all players that are kind and polite already, i know u r out there! ^^

[Lythari]

Wat u say is the truth,where ever we go,there will be fools and jerks who have no manners wat so ever,I respect u for wat ur saying and aplogize for my wrong assumptions and rudeness towards u.

You don't have to apologize. There was a miscommunication on my end. Just remember that these people have to live with the fact that they made a total jerkhole out of themselves to someone they don't even know.

"Walk softly: the toes you step on today may be connected to the foot that kicks your @ss tomorrow."

[Kimukai]

You don't have to apologize. There was a miscommunication on my end. Just remember that these people have to live with the fact that they made a total jerkhole out of themselves to someone they don't even know.

"Walk softly: the toes you step on today may be connected to the foot that kicks your @ss tomorrow."

yep agreed..

offtopic: nice siggy~ so cuteeee~

[masterace89]

I can agree that clerics are being used. As a fighter, there always some a-hole who thinks I'm his or hers slave at tanking, mocking, or demo. Without fighters, you cant complete your KQs,do aoe parties, or take the heat off clerics while they heal.

Dont get me wrong, the clerics are a valueable asset to a party, but so is every other person in a party. Everyone has their problems of being disrespected. It a result of a-hole who don't know how to show respect in a party

best wishes

-masterace89 lvl 40 fighter (Love_or_Death)
bjiou sever:)

[Kimukai]

I can agree that clerics are being used. As a fighter, there always some a-hole who thinks I'm his or hers slave at tanking, mocking, or demo. Without fighters, you cant complete your KQs,do aoe parties, or take the heat off clerics while they heal.

Dont get me wrong, the clerics are a valueable asset to a party, but so is every other person in a party. Everyone has their problems of being disrespected. It a result of a-hole who don't know how to show respect in a party

best wishes

-masterace89 lvl 40 fighter (Love_or_Death)
bjiou sever:)

yep~ each classes make up for one another's strong/weak points..unity is needed to make a party goes well. respect n care for one another will make the party enjoyable and gets good returns.

[matty19]

D:


Every cleric knows it.

"Buff plz"

"Res plz"

Little thanks maybeh? :\
We aren't your servants and we don't HAVE to do it. Most clerics I know(or just myself, dun't know if I'm alone on this one) became a cleric to be nice. They want to help people. Whether the person they are helping likes it or not. We LIKE being helpful but if you ask us blatantly and don't give thanks then you are just abusing our help. When you get to be level 20, all you High Clerics will know what I mean.

On the other hand,(The much shorter, deformed hand...) clerics abuse their powers. I have seen people charge 1s for a rez, and 5s for a buff. And people ACTUALLY payed. The cleric is taking advantage of the people, and the people are letting themselves fall prey to it.

Okay just listen, we(or I...still don't know if I'm alone on this but I think most of you are) are getting sick of going everywhere and being asked for a buff. Sure, we give some out, and sometimes are so bored we go on shout and say "Giving out free buffs in [coordinates follow]!" Which is nice, and we get some thanks, and we give some welcomes.

You don't realize that without us you won't survive. And by that I mean you WON'T survive. Physically, or financially. Paying for stones costs a lot, and pots cost more. (When you can make them why bother right? xD! Wrong. When you get to a higher lv and you have not fully developed your skill, and cant make T2 or T3 pots, then you have to buy them, speaking again, suffering financially). You NEED us, and you take us(or me >.>) for granted. We aren't your servants, and we aren't your lapdogs. Our word lets you live or die. Sure, ask for a buff once in a while. DON'T ask repetitively. We will walk away. When you follow us, we might teleport, or even TRAIN you. Don't take us for granted because we can leave anytime we want. We don't want your money(or at least the majority of the clerics don't) we just want thanks and the respect we deserve, and if we cant get that then I for one won't give any heals to anyone. Think if you had no clerics, and you are stranded, and dead.


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i understand the fact that some players take advantage of our abilitis of an endure buff and rev but i dont mind doing it as long i get a ty out of it. the clerics that charge other players for these should be ashamed of yourselves, you should want to help out another player the other day i had a player shouting out paying 3s for a buff so i walked over to here and gave her a buff and she trade requested me and i denied it and told her that i dont need to be paid for giving a buff its my job.

[Kimukai]

i understand the fact that some players take advantage of our abilitis of an endure buff and rev but i dont mind doing it as long i get a ty out of it. the clerics that charge other players for these should be ashamed of yourselves, you should want to help out another player the other day i had a player shouting out paying 3s for a buff so i walked over to here and gave her a buff and she trade requested me and i denied it and told her that i dont need to be paid for giving a buff its my job.

yea. happened to me once..it was yesterday and this mage was down with periodic poison..was running in elderine and i happen to see her so wat i did next was to cure her..

the next moment, she traded me insisting that she gives me any materials i need (cos i was at nina merchant) and i said no.. it is just a cure..nothing else in return for it. i buff her too and she said she was glad there are good clerics around..hopefully those clerics out there who are spoiling our good names...pls stop asking for returns just for ur buff/cure..

[FredT]

I know, the toher day i was Mara KQing, then one of my party member died. He said: STUPID CLERIC, DUM CLERIC BLAH BLAH BLAH. YOU'RE THE FAULT THAT I DIED BLAH BLAH. Then he asked me to res him. OBVIOUSLY i said no.
I told everyone not to res him for being so rude. He was shouting out that i was dumb and that it was my fault. Then he respawn and then lured mara to everyone and ruined the KQ.

I mean ***?!? How ungrateful. He was far back, way behind everyone else and he expects me to res him whilst hes blaming me that he died.

[Kimukai]

I know, the toher day i was Mara KQing, then one of my party member died. He said: STUPID CLERIC, DUM CLERIC BLAH BLAH BLAH. YOU'RE THE FAULT THAT I DIED BLAH BLAH. Then he asked me to res him. OBVIOUSLY i said no.
I told everyone not to res him for being so rude. He was shouting out that i was dumb and that it was my fault. Then he respawn and then lured mara to everyone and ruined the KQ.

I mean ***?!? How ungrateful. He was far back, way behind everyone else and he expects me to res him whilst hes blaming me that he died.

well, tat member got to know where he stands in a KQ..as in wat he should do in accordance to his job class.. dun do close ranged attack when you are a mage and dun tank if you an archer...etc..tat will help to stay alive.

[silkiequeen]

lol you think thats bad? i was playing with my cleric in sand beach in the lizardman area and some lower lvled player got killed...they were speaking a language i didnt understand but i went over and ressed then went back to my sbl farming. they died again less than a minute afterward and started calling me an mfer because i didnt get back to res them again that second! so i went over and ressed them again because im nice and apologized that i didnt understand what they were saying. then in the same exact spot a chest popped yay me right? wrong my inventory was full and i didnt know so i was trying to drop stuff and the dude came over and took everything that dropped including all of the chest items :s talk about cleric abuse lol im still not over it :P but i know that thats not everyone so i dont worry about it lol i still like to heal/res/whatever random people

[masterace89]

lol you think thats bad? i was playing with my cleric in sand beach in the lizardman area and some lower lvled player got killed...they were speaking a language i didnt understand but i went over and ressed then went back to my sbl farming. they died again less than a minute afterward and started calling me an mfer because i didnt get back to res them again that second! so i went over and ressed them again because im nice and apologized that i didnt understand what they were saying. then in the same exact spot a chest popped yay me right? wrong my inventory was full and i didnt know so i was trying to drop stuff and the dude came over and took everything that dropped including all of the chest items :s talk about cleric abuse lol im still not over it :P but i know that thats not everyone so i dont worry about it lol i still like to heal/res/whatever random people


I got a better story...

I was doing robo KQ and i was lvl 36 I believe. when the KQ started, some mage partied 4 clerics in his partywhile the others had none. while at the same time he wouldn't share any of them to the other parties because he was saying "I need them for KQ". As the KQ began the mage stood outside the room and got killed by a mob...as he stayed there dying, he was saying "YOU NOOB CLERICS NEED TO HEAL" and saying "REZ ME!!!!". this continued as the mage kept dying from mobs because he is standing outside the room. The mage then began staying orders to the fighters.."WE HAVE BAD TANKS", "YOU FIGHTERS NEED TO MOCK". at that point everyone died because he held all the clerics and the clerics were busting healing him.
then the mage had the nerve to call everyone noobs...

the point of this story is to show that clerics arent the only ones who are being abused.

If anyone is to blame it's those "a-holes" who cant party with respect

-masterace89 lvl 40 fighter
guild: Love_or_Death
sever: Bjiou

[kinsin]

okay... so blame the clerics for not dropping group and going into seperate groups as well
its not just the noob angry moronic mage's fault
its common sense when u have 4 clerics in a group to drop and find a new group...
at least that changes after robo and when you get into mini drag kq, robo is epic fail

[silkiequeen]

for robo ive just started recruiting the party long before it begins lol i guarentee i have a good party that way and then i just hope there are more clerics than the 2 that i get..yes i have two because i try to tank robo when i can and if no one will run (which happens a lot!) i end up running and kinda need a cleric to keep me healed while the others in my party need one to survive too..i guess im kinda selfish in cleric hogging too but some people really do need to survive lol

[DannyRoyal530]

I appreciate Clerics! =) always give a thanx when they rez me...its only common sense =)

Feolthanos, Vossler, Venaat and Kalim...

[masterace89]

okay... so blame the clerics for not dropping group and going into seperate groups as well
its not just the noob angry moronic mage's fault
its common sense when u have 4 clerics in a group to drop and find a new group...
at least that changes after robo and when you get into mini drag kq, robo is epic fail

one important fact i forgot to mention was the clerics were all lvl 33, so it was most likely there first KQ

[Daevor]

Non-clerics to clerics: Buff plz. Buff plz. buff. buff me. heal pls.
(wth? heal pls??? YOU'RE IN A TOWN. Go in to a shroom like everyone else!)

And that's in a town, when I'm trying to sort out my overfull storage (my storage is a mess :o), or browse the market place, or buy some skills. You know, even civil servants (as someone likened us to earlier) are not on duty 24/7. Why should clerics be? I honestly don't mind the "buff pls" or "need a rez at H7... 38sec remaining" when I'm on the field training. But when I'm in town browsing the market, no points for guessing what I'd like to be doing. Yip, I'd like to *actually* browse the market.

I'm not sure if I'd say clerics are un(der)appreciated. I would, however, say that some ppl clearly lack an understanding of common courtesy. (And the same common courtesy needs to be applied to "spot claiming" and "killing stealing". The hard and fast rules are only there for *exceptional* circumstances, and should rarely need to be referred to. But that's a little off-topic.)

The point, ppl, is that this is a game. We play it to have fun. It's not fun being constantly harrassed for buffs while trying to browse the market. I don't see archers harrassing mages to cast "decrease travel speed" on mobs they are kiting (would help them alot though :P), nor do I see non-fighters harrassing fighters to "stun" mobs for them (though I have seen fighters kindly do this without being asked). It just wouldn't be fun for mages or fighters to do this all the time.

I guess I'm asking (in a rather long-winded sort of way :p), please stop bugging clerics in the towns and let them go about their business. If we had to buff the whole town, we'd never get anything done. "No buff pls, I have some personal :eek: things to take care of"

Of course we have to end off with some humour:
High lvl non-cleric to low lvl cleric: Follow. heal. Heal! Heal me you noob! You stupid noob you let me die! I just lost like a gazillion and one exp! Now rez me!
I seen this happen. Ok, it's slightly paraphrased for that extra bit of humour. Sorry, I just thought it was hilarious :D

[masterace89]

for robo ive just started recruiting the party long before it begins lol i guarentee i have a good party that way and then i just hope there are more clerics than the 2 that i get..yes i have two because i try to tank robo when i can and if no one will run (which happens a lot!) i end up running and kinda need a cleric to keep me healed while the others in my party need one to survive too..i guess im kinda selfish in cleric hogging too but some people really do need to survive lol

...and about having 2 clerics, i dont have a problem with that if there killing robo or running, but if you're lvl 36 and have all the clerics and claiming to tank robo...I now have a problem

[kinsin]

masterace that does make more sense if it was prob their first robo since if not everyone is in normal groups its epic fail....
but still, you'd think by that lvl they'd know that 4 clerics in one group is a little overboard ^^
but hey... most the people i meet lately and make friends with them go "so would you mind powerlvling my alt cleric? or alt fighter?..
i just smile and say some other time and take em off my friends list when they are offline

i wouldn't mind powerlvling if the person has common sense and i have known them for a few weeks or months, but most the people i meet in this game have no common sense

[footy705]

i do agree with you all that clerics should be appreciated more i mean like me i love getting buffed and all that and its verrrrry nice of all you clerics out there to help us and i mean like every time i ask a buff and they buf me then i offer a t3 sp pot in case any else asks for a buff and they always reject so now i grew tired and decided to not give t3 but t2 and it worked out more , so from now on if you wish to whisper me on the game or send me a message feel free 2 (im on teva )

[Kimukai]

i do agree with you all that clerics should be appreciated more i mean like me i love getting buffed and all that and its verrrrry nice of all you clerics out there to help us and i mean like every time i ask a buff and they buf me then i offer a t3 sp pot in case any else asks for a buff and they always reject so now i grew tired and decided to not give t3 but t2 and it worked out more , so from now on if you wish to whisper me on the game or send me a message feel free 2 (im on teva )

a buff does not need anything in exchange for...not in terms of money or items...

i was offered before but i nvr accept cos i know it is jus a buff..nothing else..a tiny help for a person who need the buff..

if u see a cleric who ask for returns..just walk away..some other cleric will buff u for no returns. ;)