hear me out..or not

[ashigakuda]

ey what if they had like an event tat u can kill npc's n they drop like loads of money or rare stuff...but they can fight back though..hehe that would be awesome!!!
coz they do nothing but stand there with their weapons they don't use...its that we see what they cud really do...their masters right??? right??

[Chegism]

Use real words and i might bother to read what your talking about.

[ashigakuda]

then don't.....that's not probably how they write in your world, but in mine we do
n i was just having fun, u don't have to brag bout it...y do you think they call it Generel Discusion... and i'm not guna "BOTHER" to write full sentences if people like you will not "BOTHER" reading them? isn't that right "Chegism"?

[smitske]

well it would be better not to use slang or whatevber it is your speak cause a part of the community doesnt understand

[Jhanniss]

Slamming myself off topic a moment...

Not to dote, but in the real world such language comes from people who take minimum wage jobs for the remainder of their life and lack any real education past elementary grade. No real job employer will take such words on a resume and be accepted for whatever is being applied for. Lack of English structure is often time seen as a lack of education, thus the low wage jobs most of those types have.

Slamming myself back on topic...

Killing NPCs, I believe Murdock has been playful a time or two and rounded up players to kill bots from various locations in the game. He throws them into a PVP area and lets folks go at them for a while.

[Chegism]

Use real words and i might bother to read what your talking about.

then don't.....that's not probably how they write in your world, but in mine we do
n i was just having fun, u don't have to brag bout it...y do you think they call it Generel Discusion... and i'm not guna "BOTHER" to write full sentences if people like you will not "BOTHER" reading them? isn't that right "Chegism"?

Wrong subject. I'm talking words not sentences.

Slamming myself off topic a moment...

Not to dote, but in the real world such language comes from people who take minimum wage jobs for the remainder of their life and lack any real education past elementary grade. No real job employer will take such words on a resume and be accepted for whatever is being applied for. Lack of English structure is often time seen as a lack of education, thus the low wage jobs most of those types have.

Slamming myself back on topic...

Killing NPCs, I believe Murdock has been playful a time or two and rounded up players to kill bots from various locations in the game. He throws them into a PVP area and lets folks go at them for a while.



And um, Jhanniss, that is just outright wrong to say. Attacking stereotypes and saying he's more than likely going to be an uneducated low life low wage guy for all his life? I would expect more from an Ex-CL. Want to call all Americans fat or all British people green teeth? I doubt it. I disapprove of this guys spelling but saying that is below the belt.

[Shadowic2]

In the real world people type properly so as to be understood by anyone reading it.

And as to your idea, I think it would be too much of a pain for OnSoft to program something like that. Plus, what if someone needed to buy a skill or a weapon? One couldn't do that if the NPC was killed.

[Cerex]

I think the guards, should actually guard the towns from monsters. But no I don't like the idea of attacking the NPC's.

[gofiguregurl]

ey wat if dey had like an event tat u can kill npc's n dey drop like loads of money or rare stuff...but dey guta fight bak though..hehe dat wud be awesome!!!
coz dey do nuthin but stand der wid their wepons dey don use...its dat we see wat dey cud really do...deir masters right??? right??

I am not even going to respond to you in any manner. I will only say this. Learn to speak a language correctly or don't let your tongue/fingers loose.

[Shadowic2]

I think the guards, should actually guard the towns from monsters. But no I don't like the idea of attacking the NPC's.

Agreed, that would really help reduce the number of mob trains being led into uruga and killing people who are AFK or in their Vendors.

[gofiguregurl]

Agreed, that would really help reduce the number of mob trains being led into uruga and killing people who are AFK or in their Vendors.

That I agree with totally Trains are just arg some people purposely create them also T_T

[Cerex]

Agreed, that would really help reduce the number of mob trains being led into uruga and killing people who are AFK or in their Vendors.
Exactly. I've seen that happen way too often, and I've only been there a couple times when my friend in the guild was showing me places.

[Jhanniss]

Wrong subject. I'm talking words not sentences.

And um, Jhanniss, that is just outright wrong to say. Attacking stereotypes and saying he's more than likely going to be an uneducated low life low wage guy for all his life? I would expect more from an Ex-CL. Want to call all Americans fat or all British people green teeth? I doubt it. I disapprove of this guys spelling but saying that is below the belt.

It's not an attack but using real world facts. Go try it with that language that was used and see who gets hired. It's simple fact of life, those with lower educations or lack of proficiency in English just do not hold higher end jobs.

Those with low wages aren't all ignore and lacking of education. That was my mistake for not making it more clear. I was pinpointing a response to the persons lack of care concerning the use of English.

In essence, his post screams lazyness. Are all low wage people lazy? Nope. I work in a dead end job because I lack a full college education, so I can consider myself proof that not all who have low wage jobs ar bahd spellurs hurribully.

[gofiguregurl]

Anymatter I'm off. Many matters to attend to.

[Chegism]

It's not an attack but using real world facts. Go try it with that language that was used and see who gets hired. It's simple fact of life, those with lower educations or lack of proficiency in English just do no hold higher end jobs.

Those with low wages aren't all ignore and lacking of education. That was my mistake for not making it more clear. I was pinpointing a response to the persons lack of care concerning the use of English.

In essence, his post screams lazyness. Are all low wage people lazy? Nope. I work in a dead end job because I lack a full college education, so I can consider myself proof that not all who have low wage jobs ar bahd spellurs hurribully.

Show me the facts then. I use correct grammar and punctuation, does that make me some guy with 3 degrees working in a high paid job? No it doesnt. Does that guy have a worse job than me? Who knows? I don't, you don't. Stereotypes are bad for use in the public domain.

[Jhanniss]

Show me the facts then. I use correct grammar and punctuation, does that make me some guy with 3 degrees working in a high paid job? No it doesnt. Does that guy have a worse job than me? Who knows? I don't, you don't. Stereotypes are bad for use in the public domain.

No, purposely bad spelling and English grammer are bad in the public domain. It means they're dumbing down.

If I had to play the humor card in this, I expect the majority of adults to be up there on par with the people in the movie "Idiocracy" before I'm dead. :P

[Chegism]

Whatever you say you:

Fat American,
Green toothed Brit,
Dog eating Korean,
Vodka drinking Russian,
Beret wearing cheese eating surrender monkey of a French guy,

There. Those are as much "real word facts" as you used. Stereotypes are wrong in any manner. Everything i posted above is not acceptable when used towards another, so why is calling someone a dumbass who is going to fail at life any better?

Note: All above insults are used for explanatory purposes and are not personally directed at anyone.

[Cerex]

Ok, I would say it's better to type clearly, simply so that more people can understand what you are trying to say. I find I have to struggle to read chatspeak, though for the most part I don't mind it too much. But yes, typing in proper words would make things easier, my mind wouldn't have to stumble over words trying to sound them out to see what they mean.

Anyhow, I don't think it is fair to say that everyone that types chatspeak will be stuck in low end jobs. It is a stereotype. I know many friends struggling, and they type just fine. How you type does not show your employability. This is a relaxed setting, and some find it easier and lazier to chatspeak.

[ashigakuda]

ok i have changed everything that i wrote, since the main point of my thread wasn't really the subject that you guys wrote...i admit it, it was my mistake, and i just made the problem worst...

and my point was like,, you know just an event...they spawn back in...like aaah..never mind..it was just a stupid idea..never mind me

[Chegism]

ok i have changed everything that i wrote, since the main point of my thread was really the subject that you guys wrote...i admit it, it was my mistake, and i just made the problem worst...

and my point was like,, you know just an event...they spawn back in...like aaah..never mind..it was just a stupid idea..never mind me

Npc's that fight back as an event would be nice. They would have to be duplicated to somewhere other than the main towns though, so people didnt get interupted. And dropping "loads of money and rare items" is a bit too much loot. :p

[Cerex]

ok i have changed everything that i wrote, since the main point of my thread was really the subject that you guys wrote...i admit it, it was my mistake, and i just made the problem worst...

and my point was like,, you know just an event...they spawn back in...like aaah..never mind..it was just a stupid idea..never mind me
Don't feel bad, an idea is never stupid. Just sometimes people won't always agree, or think that it works, or whatever.

Perhaps an event, like you go somewhere like on a mission/KQ. That way it won't interfere with shops and people doing quests etc.

[Amathyst]

Wow, this entire thread just burns of elitest opinions. You all seem to be having a grand time punishing this one guy for his misuse of the English language. Do any of you realise that in the 'real world' people with poor English still get decent jobs? Besides, who said success was a high paying job? Does money really run your world and define your goals?

Yeesh, that's a very depressing thought. I'm all for proper English, and heck, I even refuse to buff people if they don't spell "please", but damn, you're all beating him up verbally just because he'd like to fight some of the passive NPC's in the towns. Personally, I'd like to take on Roumenus and see how badly he beats me down. Wouldn't you want to take on one of the legendary heros and see how well you do?

[ashigakuda]

Wow, this entire thread just burns of elitest opinions. You all seem to be having a grand time punishing this one guy for his misuse of the English language. Do any of you realise that in the 'real world' people with poor English still get decent jobs? Besides, who said success was a high paying job? Does money really run your world and define your goals?

Yeesh, that's a very depressing thought. I'm all for proper English, and heck, I even refuse to buff people if they don't spell "please", but damn, you're all beating him up verbally just because he'd like to fight some of the passive NPC's in the towns. Personally, I'd like to take on Roumenus and see how badly he beats me down. Wouldn't you want to take on one of the legendary heros and see how well you do?

THANK YOU!!!:)

[Gravvi]

i think it would be fun event and chegism SHUT UP we dont' care, Jhannis made a general statement. doesn't apply to all. But it is majority.

[Chegism]

i think it would be fun event and chegism SHUT UP we dont' care, Jhannis made a general statement. doesn't apply to all. But it is majority.

I'm not prepared to argue with the uneducated. :D

[Shadowic2]

Alrighty, let's stop all this nonsense about who's non-educated and who's not.
The point of this thread was to discuss an event idea.
So lets be civilized and discuss.
The creator of this thread corrected his spellings from the first post, so that everyone can read and understand it. So let's just drop all this petty arguing and comment on his idea.

[ashigakuda]

You guys really took this thing seriously. I mean, it was no big deal if I was told that I will have a low life, or if I do have a low life, and stay like this forever. I do not really write or speak to people slang, well I do to my friends, but of course I have a brain that know when to or not to speak properly. I just write short cuts or lazy when I am in a hurry or if I doubt that no one will read my threads, but can just some people say what you think of one person nicely? Like think first before you say something that might hurt the person, like you know. Because what would you do if someone found something in you that's bad for them, and tell you this and that, you know stereotyping. If you thought a person, like me, wasn't using right english, you could ask them, "Will you please rewrite it using proper english?" or "Do you know how to use proper english?" like that. Not like saying this and that...You're a low life..bla bla(I am not reffering to anybody, these are just examples) You know. Now I know this is a long reply, and late(coz i was playing fiesta..yeye!!) and most of you wouldn't probably read it, but I just wanted to say what I think about all the stuff you guys were talking about.:)

[Chegism]

See :)

Stereotypes get you nowhere.

[lenore_lurks]

I think it could be a fun idea. If the NPC's were duplicated somehow, put them in a different area, and see who can out-last who. Like, we go and fight ourselves at lv20, it would be funny to fight the 'NPC's' too.

I mean, how boring would it be to stand there day in day out not being able to do anything? I say give 'em a chance to show what they can really do! lol.

[Shounen]

Use real words and i might bother to read what your talking about.

I believe that this was quite rude of you to say this. In typing, you can use text language and/or whatever language you like as long as it's readable and not rude. If you advise him to use proper words then say nicely, don't stuff it into his face, it discourages people.

Anyways, yes it would be more better if you wrote properly, it is easier to read.
NPC battling, sounds interesting, I've seen smith Carls with all those strong NPC items behind his back and it'll be fun to take him on!

[Karrotz]

Blame modern culture. Too many people are using short forms and some find it acceptable, others don't. Imagine having an msn conversation and typing everything in full? Or sending a text message in full? I was once insulted for typing 'bak' instead of 'back'. Yes, I was typing in short forms when I started Fiesta since it was perfectly acceptable in the previous game I played. I still don't see anything wrong with it as some short forms are easy to understand.

Anyway he actually made the effort to correct it and type in full so let's just let it go.

On Topic:

Don't we already have NPCs we can fight in some PVP zones like the abyss? Not the ones in town.

[Shounen]

Wrong subject. I'm talking words not sentences.





And um, Jhanniss, that is just outright wrong to say. Attacking stereotypes and saying he's more than likely going to be an uneducated low life low wage guy for all his life? I would expect more from an Ex-CL. Want to call all Americans fat or all British people green teeth? I doubt it. I disapprove of this guys spelling but saying that is below the belt.

Slamming myself off topic a moment...

Not to dote, but in the real world such language comes from people who take minimum wage jobs for the remainder of their life and lack any real education past elementary grade. No real job employer will take such words on a resume and be accepted for whatever is being applied for. Lack of English structure is often time seen as a lack of education, thus the low wage jobs most of those types have.

Slamming myself back on topic...

Killing NPCs, I believe Murdock has been playful a time or two and rounded up players to kill bots from various locations in the game. He throws them into a PVP area and lets folks go at them for a while.

This, i agree with Chegism. It's wrong to say that even that's a general statement! It would be rude to even state that! If that's a fact, then keep it to yourself. We don't want people to have that sort of behaviour, and facts are more dangerous and harmful, too. Would i be rude or stating a general fact if i posted in a forum that 95% of blondes are dumb and 5% aren't (just example, this is NOT TRUE)? I'd be a very rude person and sad facts put people into low self-esteem.

It's not an attack but using real world facts. Go try it with that language that was used and see who gets hired. It's simple fact of life, those with lower educations or lack of proficiency in English just do not hold higher end jobs.

Those with low wages aren't all ignore and lacking of education. That was my mistake for not making it more clear. I was pinpointing a response to the persons lack of care concerning the use of English.

In essence, his post screams lazyness. Are all low wage people lazy? Nope. I work in a dead end job because I lack a full college education, so I can consider myself proof that not all who have low wage jobs ar bahd spellurs hurribully.

You're indirectly attacking people using facts, even if you don't realize it. I normally find that facts are more harmful than opinions.

[papa_g]

Besides, who said success was a high paying job? Does money really run your world and define your goals?

Had to chime in on this one. And I only quoted the part that stood out to me.

Fact: My mothers side of the family is all doctors, lawyers, and politicians.
They work in well respected jobs, use proper english. And they pretty much dis-owned my mother when she married an Air Force seargant.

I work in a warehouse, I pay my bills, I take care of my family, (put food on the table and a roof over their head) My eldest daughter (15) has a pic of me on her myspace page under her "who would you like to meet" section with the caption "Forget who I want to meet, you should meet this guy."
My second daughter (11) still calls me up at work to say good night and my boy (9) calls me "his dude"

And yes, my use of the english language is far from "Proper". I use words like aint and y'all, and some word that would get me banned from the forums in a heartbeat if I typed them out.

So tell me this.... who is the better person

My moms opinionated stuck up "PROPER SPEAKIN" brother

or me, the foul mouthed lil smart a// hill billy?
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Back on topic:

As for fighting in-town NPC's...
Sounds interesting, but who would have the heart to fight poor grand pa Robin?

[yoshiii]

lol ^^ lets go kill some npc xD

[papa_g]

lol ^^ lets go kill some npc xD
Fine, But leave Grand Pa Robin alone :p

[XXSuccubusXX]

awww I think this whole thread stared out good, then turned into something so off topic...gee's you get slammed if you don't use "Internet talk" and then you get slammed if you do....so what if the dude didn't spell correct or what ever, any person with half a brain could read it, and for those that obviously could read it but decided to critizie anyways, I just say this, not all of us are perfect, we are who we are and poor spelling or what not, dont make or break a person....anyhoo just my 2 cents worth...
P.S Ashigakuda, I think your idea is a great one, with a bit of work it could be a cool event:)

[Kraehe]

awww I think this whole thread stared out good, then turned into something so off topic...gee's you get slammed if you don't use "Internet talk" and then you get slammed if you do....so what if the dude didn't spell correct or what ever, any person with half a brain could read it, and for those that obviously could read it but decided to critizie anyways, I just say this, not all of us are perfect, we are who we are and poor spelling or what not, dont make or break a person....anyhoo just my 2 cents worth...
P.S Ashigakuda, I think your idea is a great one, with a bit of work it could be a cool event:)

My eyes began to hurt from reading the first post. :O