Stereotyping...

[ashigakuda]

You think you're a good person? What if someone just came up to you and said there was something bad in you, and you do not even know that person?
If you think it hurts when someone do that, so why do it to someone else?
When you are stereotyping, it means you are being judgmental and dumb, you don't care what that people might feel. I know you don't see this very often in game, but it always happen, so notice it. If you see or here someone stereotypically insulting on other people, step up and say what you have to say.
That's all...

Reply if you want and tell me what do you think.
This just came up to me so...yep

[Suna_]

I highly dislike it when people use "noob" as a derogatory term. It doesn't even mean "new player" any more, and it's sickening.

[Music_Dominated]

Stereotyping in what way?
Would you be able to leave an example?

I'm pretty layed back and acceptable if someone says things like that to me, but you know... Theres those days. Hahah.

[Music_Dominated]

I highly dislike it when people use "noob" as a derogatory term. It doesn't even mean "new player" any more, and it's sickening.

Yeah. No one uses the term "newbie" anymore. They just yell "noob" and insult them, or ignore them.

I'm glad no one has done it to me yet. Most people I've met on Fiesta are pretty friendly :)

[ashigakuda]

Stereotyping in what way?
Would you be able to leave an example?

I'm pretty layed back and acceptable if someone says things like that to me, but you know... Theres those days. Hahah.

Okay like in the forums, you get like one word, one single word, or lets just say the whole thing and some "I am so perfect" sees it and started to say all that smack to you...that you do not know how to speak english right....like What?
A lot of people likes to write shortcuts don't they?

[XelveX]

Rofl? lol, anyway here is a definition for noob:

Noob- a person who is extremely ignorant and has no idea what the proper etiquette of game is and loves to be obnoxious 500% all of the time.

So uhh... High levels just use that to insult newbs or noobs who are extremely annoying and classify them as hmm... whats the word? I'm going to censor it... b***hes... So heh, if you don't wanna be judged like that... make sure you don't follow those definitions.

[Asmodejjj]

Noob- a person who is extremely ignorant and has no idea what the proper etiquette of game is and loves to be obnoxious 500% all of the time.



Actually, the correct definition is derived from the word "newbie" which means a person who is new to something. Only l337 speakers and other people who can't stand to type an extra letter or two use it as a derogatory term.

[XelveX]

Actually, the correct definition is derived from the word "newbie" which means a person who is new to something. Only l337 speakers and other people who can't stand to type an extra letter or two use it as a derogatory term.

Heh, but than again over time it became a new word :p

I seen plenty of high level players around the internet and let me tell you they ARE 500000000000% OBNOXIOUS

[Empathys]

The best solution is to grow a thick skin. If you know you're not a "noob" then why let it bother you? Did your pride get bruised? It's really not that big of a "stereotype" if you ask me. Since it's really only used on the intrawebz.

[Cerex]

Okay like in the forums, you get like one word, one single word, or lets just say the whole thing and some "I am so perfect" sees it and started to say all that smack to you...that you do not know how to speak english right....like What?
A lot of people likes to write shortcuts don't they?
There are shortcuts, and then there's not understanding what you are typing.
Some shortcuts are fine, but I think sometimes it's too much and the message just isn't clear and then you get someone saying, "Ok I don't understand that, please try to type clearly." Still, they don't have to be rude about it. And while they may say some things, stereotyping shouldn't be there. I feel that it's a low blow.

[Calus767]

Yeah the way the term Noob or n00b is used now is different. It did come from newbie which is still used for people who are new to the game but noob is more of an insult calling the person stupid and often not knowing how to play.. and yes there are alot of high LV noobs >.> and no im not saying they all are -.- most arnt but there there are alot.. I tend to use noob in a joking way though and hate it when people take me seriously when im clearly being sarcastic

Now about people stereotyping "1337" talk or even stuff such as "lol" or a face like "XD" ...lol I really hate that because thats the way people talk, it gives the character. lol Like an accent or something some people say haha some hehe some lol and some lawlz XD or not finishing words, ending sentences with no periods and starting with no caps XD its all about the personality of the people I think ^^ sue me for thinking that, I usualy use commas, end with periods, start with caps, don't use most shortcut words but I DO have bad spelling, use words like zombieh, say "cuz" and ROFLMFAOLAWLZ and.. ok lol I DO over dose on smileys >:P

I may be stereotyping about the people who steriotype about people 1337 people.. lol but its part of a persons character XD

[hesqua]

i prefer to refer "noob" as someone who's "extremely ignorant and has no idea what the proper etiquette of game is (quoted from XelveX)

but "newb" for genuinely new players....

[GuanoSnoop]

I tend to be called a noob whenever I don't cater to the demands of others, whether it be not rushing to revive someone, or not buying cigarettes for some 14 year old. (yes, that happened, some kid called me a noob at at store.) I just dismiss that nonsense and start laughing. Bottomline, if you interact with people online, you're going to be called names and all that garbage. In instances like that, it speaks to one's character, and it really isn't even stereotyping anymore. So go ahead, call me a noob...I'm just gonna laugh at you :D

[Karrotz]

An excerpt from wiki...happy reading.

Newbie
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Newbie is a slang term for a newcomer to online gaming or an Internet activity. Many newbies are being bullied by more experienced players in that particular game (although not always). It can also be used for any other activity in whose context a somewhat clueless newcomer could exist. It can have derogatory connotations, but is also often used for descriptive purposes only, without a value judgment. Not to be confused with "Noob" (see below).

Origin
Before it entered popular discourse by way of the Internet, the term "newbie" had a limited usage among U.S. troops in the Vietnam War as a slang term for a new man in a unit.[1]


Alternative spellings
"Newbie" can be used as a term to identify newcomers to a game, place, or organization. The variant spellings of "newbie" are also used, especially in online games and gaming forums, as a catch-all insult regardless of the recipient's actual skill or experience. Someone who acts like a "newbie," but isn't one would be referred to as one of the variant spellings. The variant "noob" has become common in spoken English by juveniles. Alternate spellings include "newb", "n00b", "noob", "nooblet", "nub", and the recently popular "nublet" and "nubcake". These alternate spellings of the term, other than "newb," inherit the definition of "newbie" but are generally used in a derogatory manner to indicate uselessness because of the ignorance associated with being a newcomer.

In some online games, usually MMORPGs such as World of Warcraft or RuneScape, a greater distinction may be made between a "newb" and a "noob." The common consensus is that a "newb" is someone who through their very nature of being a new player is inexperienced and naive to particular gaming mechanics or etiquette, whereas a "noob" is a player that is generally considered to be experienced, yet often makes mistakes or solecisms that would more likely be attributed to a "newb." The term "noob" can also be applied to someone who is experienced, but blatantly disregards rules and etiquette.

There are a multitude of words that have emerged from the original "Newbie", each with their own meaning and origins. There are such terms like "nubcakes" or "nubotron" which emerged from generally gamers expressing their anger of success with their fellow players. The general rule is to use the nub- or noob- stems in order to create specific insults or expletives, as in "nooblet," or "nubcracker."

The Korean term chobo (초보) has roughly the same connotations as "newbie", and has been popularized in the English speaking world via the presence of large numbers of South Koreans in some online gaming communities. The antonym of chobo is gosu (고수).


Meanings
Newbie and the alternate spellings are often used for one of two different meanings. Newbie is usually used to refer to a new person who has recently joined the group of bored, and is a rank default on InvisionFree forums. Several alternate spellings and occasionally the original word, are used to refer to a member who is generally unwanted or disliked in the community, and is often used as part of Trolling or Flaming.

Military usage
The term "non-useful body", "nuclear unready body", or N.U.B. was coined in the submariner world. A brand new sailor reporting aboard a submarine had to earn his "dolphins" (submarine-qualification: learning everything about a submarine in order to quickly and decisively assist in damage control).[2] Until the sailor became so qualified, he could not do his assigned function aboard the submarine. During this time, he was declared a non-useful-body, and was generally harassed until he completed it. The term has since migrated to the surface fleet, and is used to negatively refer to new sailors, who are not as experienced and useful as their shipmates.

[lifeofbuddha]

First of all, regarding the first post in the topic; I disagree with you. I don't think stereotyping is something wrong, as long as you're always prepared to modify it. Stereotyping is generally an assumption, you look at someone and you assume how they are as a person, because it's a fast and easy way to get an idea of a person. But some people want us to meet new people with a blank sheet every time.

I believe our assumptions are transfered from other things we assume. For example, when we see a rectangular piece of wood stuck to the wall that has a knob it, we automatically think "door". We don't go and analyze every piece of woods stuck in the wall with a knob and "figure out" how to open it within 30 minutes. We just assume, based on previous doors, on how to open it.

Of course people aren't things, and people are certainly different. But who can honestly say, upon meeting someone for the first time, that we have no opinion of them based off how they look?

That's not the only thing we judge off though. Same thing goes for language. If you've committed a crime and need a lawyer, would you go to the lawyer who clearly states how he will help you or the really air-headed one going "umm... yeah therz this guy or sumtin an... w8... wuz it really u who did that?". We'll judge them by language. It's unfortunate if you don't speak the language in quesiton as a mother tongue, because people won't take you too seriously.

Regarding the newbie vs. noob defintions; I believe the answer is in their semantics. Like already stated, newbie is a very neutral, in some manner even positive word while noob is its negative counter-part. Or at least that's what it used to be, nowadays the definition has become broader, including all inadequate players.

[Karrotz]

First of all, regarding the first post in the topic; I disagree with you. I don't think stereotyping is something wrong, as long as you're always prepared to modify it. Stereotyping is generally an assumption, you look at someone and you assume how they are as a person, because it's a fast and easy way to get an idea of a person. But some people want us to meet new people with a blank sheet every time.

I believe our assumptions are transfered from other things we assume. For example, when we see a rectangular piece of wood stuck to the wall that has a knob it, we automatically think "door". We don't go and analyze every piece of woods stuck in the wall with a knob and "figure out" how to open it within 30 minutes. We just assume, based on previous doors, on how to open it.

Of course people aren't things, and people are certainly different. But who can honestly say, upon meeting someone for the first time, that we have no opinion of them based off how they look?

That's not the only thing we judge off though. Same thing goes for language. If you've committed a crime and need a lawyer, would you go to the lawyer who clearly states how he will help you or the really air-headed one going "umm... yeah therz this guy or sumtin an... w8... wuz it really u who did that?". We'll judge them by language. It's unfortunate if you don't speak the language in quesiton as a mother tongue, because people won't take you too seriously.

Regarding the newbie vs. noob defintions; I believe the answer is in their semantics. Like already stated, newbie is a very neutral, in some manner even positive word while noob is its negative counter-part. Or at least that's what it used to be, nowadays the definition has become broader, including all inadequate players.

Aren't you talking about first impressions here? That's different from stereotyping though.

[Serric]

Stereotyping an individual or group based solely upon a common conception or misconception and not upon personal experience is, I am afraid to say, a sign of ignorance.

To say "All <insert minority here> are cheaters and drunks" has been a longstanding basis for nearly every major quarrel, war and atrocity known to modern man. Innocent men, women and children were ripped from their homes and either killed or forced into servitude because the majority in power pushed the idea these foreigners were "heathens", "godless" and "mere beasts" An ungodly number of persons belonging to a particular religious sect were routinely exterminated because the majority in power called them "unclean" and "inferior".

We are all prone to prejudice and stereotype - to suggest we are not is fallacy. What separates us from those who did such horrible things is we have the responsibility and intelligence to step back and recognize we are stereotyping and can make a conscious effort to set aside that way of thinking.

To respond directly to the original poster, everyone is susceptible to their own reactions upon meeting people for the first time based on their experiences with like people in the past. This is not dumb – this is nature. Do not confuse ignorance with a lack of intelligence. Everyone is naturally ignorant – it is the desire and actions to overcome that ignorance by taking the time to learn more which separates people.

Example: February is Black History Month in America. What did you learn during that time? Did you learn, for example, that the first African-American Army regiment ever made, led by an African-American office was the Harlem Hellfighters? Did you know that during WWI they were the only regiment never to lose ground? Did you know they were the first African-American regiment to set foot in France, or that it was they who introduced jazz to France in the first place? Did you know that Sgt. Henry Johnson single-handedly thwarted a German attack, sending up to 13 German soldiers back, killing most while taking up to 21 times while protecting his friend and comrade?

This is just an example of the heroism and true life stories one can learn if they take the time to put aside their ignorance and try to learn about a race, group, religion or even a neighbor.

:gets off his soapbox:: Sorry – this was supposed to be a quick response but I got carried away. XD

[papa_g]

Bravo Sir Serric, Bravo!

[Kraehe]

Rofl? lol, anyway here is a definition for noob:

Noob- a person who is extremely ignorant and has no idea what the proper etiquette of game is and loves to be obnoxious 500% all of the time.

So uhh... High levels just use that to insult newbs or noobs who are extremely annoying and classify them as hmm... whats the word? I'm going to censor it... b***hes... So heh, if you don't wanna be judged like that... make sure you don't follow those definitions.

You make it sound like all higher level players do that, when they don't.

[Crossglaive]

Relax, school cousnellor.

[FrontierVortex]

Serric once again proves his worth to the Fiesta community. As for the steroetyping, subconsciously everyone stereotypes as Serric pointed out and it is what you do past this point that makes you who you are.
Now as for Newb/Noob, Remember that everyone is a newb at one point in the gaming time. Whether it is being a newb to MMO's or a newb to that particular game, every one is at somepoint a newb. Now noob and its variations that are being used as insults have have had their massively expanded since the early days of EverQuest. I generally never call any one a Noob unless the meet one of two criteria:
1. They are a friend and I am joking with them or is part of their nicname. For example to one person my nickname is Mercuranoob and my best friend in game has the nickname NOOB.
2. A player deliberately continues to ks and or train the spot I am hunting at. As for Ks'ing I am probably a little more forgiving about people ks'ing me saying please dont KS for a few times before I start to get angry with the ks'er. As for training sometimes it does happen, someone trained them, another monster spawned, cleric was afk and died it happens. However, continuos training by the same player generally only happens for two reasons:
1. The player is too low leveled to successfully hunt there
2. The player wants to train the specific person
The first one gets the player a noob yelled at em the second gets the player reported so...

I absolutely did not mean to go on a rant like that

[Takerial]

as was stated, Newb is a classification term. Much like the term lowbie which is directed at characters so many levels below a certain level to them. They themselves are not meant to be insults.

Noob, however, is definately meant as an insult and is directed at anyone who refuses to accept they are wrong in the way they do things that are completely ignorant and continue to do stupid things that manys newbs do unaware until they pick up how to play the game.

Basically, the main difference between newb and noob?

They both tend to have trouble using the controls or playing the game right.

However, newbs have the potential to adapt and learn to be a good player. You should cultivate these people.

Noobs, however, somehow fail at gaming but continue to believe they are just awesome and are usually end up being a nuisance to everyone at any level. Newbs can be turned into these if they are left unchecked and do not receive proper guidance when needed.

And like it was stated, you subconsciously stereotype people. It's the very nature in how our brain works. When we receive information we do our best to find a category it best fits into so we are better are dealing with the information. After that process, we then begin to alter and shape our current schema for the information by use the general assumption as a guide.

Stereotyping is bad only when someone fails to try and adapt the inital information and instead only sticks with it ffor everyone they meet fitting into that schema.