Guild Wars are stupid

[schloob]

Can you please redo the guild war system? I am a paying customer that is ready to quit because I think it is absurd that one level 79, acne faced, no social life loser can declare a war and kill everyone in sight. And what is up with the ridiculous bubble-gummy war rules? Like no teaming and no healing, etc. etc. Who invented those stupid rules. The only reason to have a guild war is to spam hp/sp stones until they are gone, rinse and repeat. If you want PvP figure out another way to do it. This is the bane of the f2p game and I should have known before I wasted so much time grinding to 33.

[Jhanniss]

Can you please redo the guild war system? I am a paying customer that is ready to quit because I think it is absurd that one level 79, acne faced, no social life loser can declare a war and kill everyone in sight. And what is up with the ridiculous bubble-gummy war rules? Like no teaming and no healing, etc. etc. Who invented those stupid rules. The only reason to have a guild war is to spam hp/sp stones until they are gone, rinse and repeat. If you want PvP figure out another way to do it. This is the bane of the f2p game and I should have known before I wasted so much time grinding to 33.


You should try posting in Feedback, it's more suited there (and not as likely to get lost in the threads created in this area of the forums)

[unknownz]

If you want PvP figure out another way to do it.
There already is a pvp system. Guild war is almost hardly ever declared. Although I have only just came back from a 4 month break myself, so I can't say much about this.
Also, the chance of a level 79 declaring war and killing everyone in sight is close to 0. In the case of it actually happening, there is always the option of running. Use a return scroll... run to where he isn't at... the options are endless.
And what is up with the ridiculous bubble-gummy war rules? Like no teaming and no healing, etc. etc. Who invented those stupid rules.
Does such rules even exist? You can tell the person who said this to be quiet and find out the meaning of teamwork. The guild mates isn't there for fun.
The only reason to have a guild war is to spam hp/sp stones until they are gone, rinse and repeat.
Apparently, you haven't been here for long. Guild war is deemed to be a fun option where players can test their skills and powers against each other, or even have fun with friends. You logic is completely thrown out of the window. If you don't want to war, you can quit whatever guild you're in, or simply don't participate in the war.

[gofiguregurl]

Can you please redo the guild war system? I am a paying customer that is ready to quit because I think it is absurd that one level 79, acne faced, no social life loser can declare a war and kill everyone in sight. And what is up with the ridiculous bubble-gummy war rules? Like no teaming and no healing, etc. etc. Who invented those stupid rules. The only reason to have a guild war is to spam hp/sp stones until they are gone, rinse and repeat. If you want PvP figure out another way to do it. This is the bane of the f2p game and I should have known before I wasted so much time grinding to 33.

Please do me one favour. Do not judge all level 79's as if they had no lives and looked like that..... Don't be so judgemental.......

[AngelsFist]

Can you please redo the guild war system? I am a paying customer that is ready to quit because I think it is absurd that one level 79, acne faced, no social life loser can declare a war and kill everyone in sight. And what is up with the ridiculous bubble-gummy war rules? Like no teaming and no healing, etc. etc. Who invented those stupid rules. The only reason to have a guild war is to spam hp/sp stones until they are gone, rinse and repeat. If you want PvP figure out another way to do it. This is the bane of the f2p game and I should have known before I wasted so much time grinding to 33.

You don't own the game.

Regardless if you're a paying customer or not you get the same treatment as every other player here.

Before you create a guild, you have to option to make it warring/non-warring, if you didnt make the guild, there's the option of leaving it and returning on a later time when the war is over.

Players generate their own rules to support ingame friendlyness, but even that's being unoticed or given any attention.

One last thing, not every level 79 player looks like you, mhkei, keep the indirect flaming to yourself, just because you claim to be a "paying customer" doesnt mean you'd get off a warning for such rude comments.

Seriously, since when did Outspark branded its players and treated them differnently depending on if they're spark-cash users or not.

[Takerial]

Many guilds adopt the no-teaming rule for the reason that they dislike seeing 4-5 people striking at only 1 person who is roughly their same level. It's unsportsmanlike and many guilds don't want their members to do that to another guild because it creates bad blood, something the guild wars weren't meant to do.

But yeah, I don't mind the teaming up aspect if terms are fair and it is meant to be friendly.

Deciding beforehand that these teams are going up against other teams and making sure they are relatively fair is a nice treat and enjoyable experience.

Having a group of chaotic people steamline into one solitary person and devasting them again and again is not. Hence why many adopt the no teaming idealogy.

It's an OPTION if you want to pay for the items or not.

Also this is a game in BETA. So right now things are being done to rework the game to a better point. If you want to whine about this why don't you do it elsewhere. But if you are willing to design up a better system and post in the feedback area, I'm sure they would be more the willing to take it up if it helps them. But don't expect immediate results, they have more issues on hand like trying to balance the classes and the like.

[schloob]

So in a 10 vs 10 guild war people should pair off so the war lasts 2 hours because no one can kill the other person until all his stones are gone? And, a fun war sounds nice but my guild got warred because someone in my party trained them. So, after they trained us they guild warred us. Then their buddies guild came and killed us all. So much fun. And I will be as judgmental as I want. Don't judge me for being judgmental.

[unknownz]

but my guild got warred because someone in my party trained them.
There. You yourself gave the reason why you were warred upon. If that person in your guild trained them out of spite, then its your guild's fault. If it was accidental, and you have already apologised, then it is the other guild's fault. You are judging the whole of guild war because of this incident. Even then, you didn't stop there and insult the other players too. This part is your fault.
If it was the other party's fault, put them on the black guild list. Give the name of the guild so we know which guild to avoid. You do not post something completely irrelevant and go off commenting about something that you have only experienced once, which by chance, was a bad experience.

[Kaiza]

Can you please redo the guild war system? I am a paying customer that is ready to quit because I think it is absurd that one level 79, acne faced, no social life loser can declare a war and kill everyone in sight. And what is up with the ridiculous bubble-gummy war rules? Like no teaming and no healing, etc. etc. Who invented those stupid rules. The only reason to have a guild war is to spam hp/sp stones until they are gone, rinse and repeat. If you want PvP figure out another way to do it. This is the bane of the f2p game and I should have known before I wasted so much time grinding to 33.

Why ur guild not choose "Non Guild War" When create. When you joined guild then you automatic apply that its okay if you get GW suddenly. Else hop to a non GW guild.

[Jhanniss]

Can you please redo the guild war system? I am a paying customer that is ready to quit because I think it is absurd that one level 79, acne faced, no social life loser can declare a war and kill everyone in sight. And what is up with the ridiculous bubble-gummy war rules? Like no teaming and no healing, etc. etc. Who invented those stupid rules. The only reason to have a guild war is to spam hp/sp stones until they are gone, rinse and repeat. If you want PvP figure out another way to do it. This is the bane of the f2p game and I should have known before I wasted so much time grinding to 33.


I know you're frustrated and venting and all but let me an offer some alternative views/feedback to what's been said.

1) Anyone with Admin/Master status can declare war on another guild, they could be level 1 and declare war if they wished. It's just whoever has Admin/Master status for declaring, not level based. :)

2) I will also have to say that the rules were placed because people abused GWs (and still do). As Dakkon once said "You pick, which is the lesser of the two evils" in responding inquiry to that very thing. So, the GMs are the ones who made those 'stupid rules'.. n.n;

3) If you don't wish to PVP, then be a non-GWing guild or go join one as this is the only way to "avoid" wars. It is not something that can be turned on and turned off at one's leasure. Either one takes full responsibility for the action of being warrable or they just don't place the guild as one. Thus, exhibition (Non-warring) guilds.

4) To lay sole blame for this being the bane of all F2P is rather shortsighted. There are numerous 'problems' with any given MMORPG and every single out that exists out there has some sort of bane in it. There is no singling one out to be the representation of all.

5) For me and my old days as a Master, I had fun warring multiple guilds at once. Many times we threw down against such odds and most of the time we came out on top, victors.

I ask you to step back, take a deep breath and just try to reflect on the overall, rather than this one aspect that you consider a flaw.

[Duke5150]

if dying is that big of a problem for you. press esc, quit game and come back hours later when that guild will be logged off. you wont die, you wont fight in the guildwar, you wont be bothered.

[MagneusFighter]

I am a paying customer that is ready to quit

u dont pay for this game lol

[Summon]

You don't own the game.

Regardless if you're a paying customer or not you get the same treatment as every other player here.

Before you create a guild, you have to option to make it warring/non-warring, if you didnt make the guild, there's the option of leaving it and returning on a later time when the war is over.

Players generate their own rules to support ingame friendlyness, but even that's being unoticed or given any attention.

One last thing, not every level 79 player looks like you, mhkei, keep the indirect flaming to yourself, just because you claim to be a "paying customer" doesnt mean you'd get off a warning for such rude comments.

Seriously, since when did Outspark branded its players and treated them differnently depending on if they're spark-cash users or not.Well honestly, this game wouldn't be able to continue without people paying the site. Outsparks needs a source of income too you know. If it wasn't for us who pay for stuff in the CS, then there really wouldn't be a game for the F2P people to play at all. I'm not trying to be mean or downgrading but that is the honest truth.

[circaskater]

your right about the fake guild war rules. thats major bull how people say you cant team i always get yelled at for "teaming" whats the point of a guild war if you cant work together.

[programmer579]

your right about the fake guild war rules. thats major bull how people say you cant team i always get yelled at for "teaming" whats the point of a guild war if you cant work together.

Many guilds adopt the no-teaming rule for the reason that they dislike seeing 4-5 people striking at only 1 person who is roughly their same level. It's unsportsmanlike and many guilds don't want their members to do that to another guild because it creates bad blood, something the guild wars weren't meant to do.

But yeah, I don't mind the teaming up aspect if terms are fair and it is meant to be friendly.

Deciding beforehand that these teams are going up against other teams and making sure they are relatively fair is a nice treat and enjoyable experience.

Having a group of chaotic people steamline into one solitary person and devasting them again and again is not. Hence why many adopt the no teaming idealogy.

well...there's ur answer circaskater...it's NOT a rule, it's basically out of courtesy and sportsmanship...likely that if you continue to team and harrass guilds that more and more guilds will come to their aid and then YOU will be the ones complaining about teaming -.-




well...today we had a nice little shout about this whole "no teaming" aspect of guild warring...and it was fairly evident that either way u look at it no one wants to be killed endlessly fer an hour just cause the opposing guild decides to team them and pick on them fer the entire war -.-

...so this next bit is long and feel free to just not read it :S as i'm sure it would probably bore u all to death but as u can see i'm really bored and it's late and i have nothing to do but sit here and type this little event up XD...

the guy said it wasn't in the rules...i said no it isn't but many like to play that way...he said it was stupid and couldn't be reported...i said it wasn't stupid and that it could be reported if someone was killed over and over again it would be called harrassment, especially if they had asked fer the other side to stop...the person completely disregarded half of that and said it wasn't against the rules and make a rhetorical statement something to the effect of 'so if someone teamed me i should go report them and complain about it' not exact words but close enough :S at about this point in time several people shouted out to back me up on the case at hand...i asked him if he would like to be killed endlessly fer an hour by a bunch of meh friends and i if we teamed him if he would be ok...he said yes...then someone else asked him what guild he was in XD he finally said he wasn't in a guild...then he thought he'd try and make a somewhat of a final statement saying again something to the effect of 'i'm just sick and tired of everyone b****ing about teaming and i don't care' ... of course most people in the conversation at that point made it quite obvious that he was b****ing about it and he obviously did care :S


WOW...i wonder if that is considered flaming >.>;; well it isn't ment to be >.>;; lol just what happened today XD anyway if u don't like it don't read it :S and if u already read it ... well ... idk what to do then ... u can always ignore it XD :S ... i guess i'll stop annoying peeps on the forums and go to bed >.>;;

[Soulfrit]

Schloob/O___ contact me tonight in game or on our new forums, want to speak to you after the fall out from what happen, we need to clean some players out and I need to hear what happened if I am to come back in...

[Takerial]

Guys, you have to understand one little fact of what the guild war system is for.

It's to enjoy yourself, meet new friends amongst the other guilds and to test out your strength and skills within the game. On occassion is can be used as a means to settle something in game as long as it's politely and civily done.

It is not meant to show you are powerful, or to constantly win by picking on lower level guilds. When you start developing the "I got to win" mentallity you start becoming a bunch of jerks who go around picking on others. An activity that isn't enjoyed by anyone. This is why teaming is so frowned upon because the people who rely on it gain this mentallity and ruin the war system for everyone.

Yes I would enjoy balanced teams even if we didn't kill a single person because we wouldn't feel frustrated by being slaughtered by a bunch of jerks who have to prove they are the best and vice versa. Instead we would be enjoying ourselves and building up a potential friendship.

If you can't form teams, then form 1 on 1 battles to create a sense of fairness.

Don't lose the point that you should create a scenario that is fun for everyone, not just yourself. Or else you aren't getting everything you can out of this game.

[Syrlith]

The thing about guild wars is that the system relies almost strictly on the community. I think Fiesta's blessed with an unusually great userbase, so its not too much of a problem.
Anyhow, if you don't like a system that is governed by people without a true authority or outside enforcement, perhaps you should rethink your citizenship.

[dragon_arcane]

Can you please redo the guild war system? I am a paying customer that is ready to quit because I think it is absurd that one level 79, acne faced, no social life loser can declare a war and kill everyone in sight. And what is up with the ridiculous bubble-gummy war rules? Like no teaming and no healing, etc. etc. Who invented those stupid rules. The only reason to have a guild war is to spam hp/sp stones until they are gone, rinse and repeat. If you want PvP figure out another way to do it. This is the bane of the f2p game and I should have known before I wasted so much time grinding to 33.

first off the lvl 79 can only kill the ppl in the guild he's fighting. i did not know that there was a rule on not healling. i think that might be an option your guild has chosen. i was in a guild war with my guild and we healed our own. we also teamed up 6 on a single guy.( he still kicked our heads in. we have a lot of low level members. i think i was lvl 14 at the time and not the lowest)
the thing i disliked was on a diferent war a non-guild cleric kept healing the other guys. if you go to war, don't have ur freinds help u unless they r in the guild too. we couldn't do a thing to the cleric.

[LunarCyanide]

I think that whats meant by the 'no healing' rule, is outside healing, by people who are not part of the GW, but just stand around watching and decide they are going to 'help' by making it harder for you. I dont mind being ganged, as long as its not people who are 6lvls higher than me and could kill me easily anyway. If i see a guild member attacking someone, i go look for someone else to attack, if i notice a guildie attack the guy im attackin, i tell them to stop, as i like to 1v1, if they dont stop, i walk away, even if it means i die, i wont team.
If you are not happy with the guild war system, leave the area that its happening in, go grind, log off, leave the guild for a non-warring one. And, the rules are not *stupid* they have been placed for a reason, and again, if your not happy with them, dont participate in GWs.
wow, i have no idea if that makes any sense lol ^_^