Tell me which is more reasonable..

[RikoRain]

In a KQ, or anything for that matter requiring large pts.

Who would you rather have be your tank:
A lvl 25 cleric with def at 210 with only basic buffs
A lvl 19 fighter with def at 152.. thats with full buffs..

Answer me this? Because I just did a KQ, where I was the cleric, and therefore was tanking. This guy REFUSED to help otu even remotely. He even refused to back off enough to let me lur the boss AWAY from the other boss

Needless to say I died. He lured the boss to the teammates. Everyone died.

Then he proceeded to curse at me about hwo it was MY fault, when I was lying dead at Mara's feet for two whole minutes because he was too busy getting everyone else killed (therefore they were being ressed).

Answer me that question, because I would like to prove to him that he was wrong for saying I was a ***** (I used stars there!!!) for tanking properly. And this I mean in parties period, I dont just mean in KQ or special events.

[Hydr0]

I say the tanker. because he can hold aggro and u cant.
Ur level 25 cleric so if he tank u can heal him alone.
If u tank in the end some mage will take aggro and u cant do anything.

[RikoRain]

... But in one hit from marlone he was getting delt almost death. Literally. Besides, he wasnt the 'tanker'. He just STOOD there. The entire time! Talkin pooh to peopel for healing others, ressing fighters first instead of his archer buddies, etc.

And no.. I can hold the boss.. Because at one point another low fighter came up, taunt kicked him, and he attacked her ONCE, then as soon as I attacked he returned to me. I even went behind him to let her tank, and what does Marlone do? He TURNS AROUND and attacks me, even though shes spammin the crud outta her skills and Im only doing.. heal.. regenerate.. heal.. maybe a bash in there if I can.

[smitske]

well I cant say a thing cause I wasnt there ad cant judge, ive had the same situations with me being fighter, but having 400 hp more and not having endure(while cleric had)

All I can say do your job as a cleric, heal and only tank if people ask you to.

[RikoRain]

But fi then the fighters are all below lvl 20, should it be -as one of the highest level- your job, regarless if youre an archer, mage, fighter, or cleric - to TANK if you have the highest def, hp, and abilities?

Ive had to tank as my archer on several occassions. Ive foudn that REASONABLE peoepl dont mind, theyre willing to let me go foward.

But this is a different story. I said I woudl tank becuse I had highest hp and def. The peoepl who spoke up when I did agreed. He was the only one who said nothing then yelled about it later.

[smitske]

just dont and let him die, or he'll see his error or he stays stubborn, then let him to be dead, leave the KQ and go on without him.

[tsukibanii]

hmm...
in this case, if i was in the kq... i would have preferred the cleric to tank since as you said, the fighter is not even in his 20's and mara/marlone can 1-2 hit KO him. but then again, it depends on how many clerics you have. if you're the only cleric there, then its not sensible to tank ..but if there's 2-3+ other clerics, then its okay for you to tank.

and besides..it was wrong of him to not do anything and blame the others ...

[XcakerulesX]

Ooooh, does this guy have a guild?

[Raku]

Honestly, I would want the cleric to tank..Clerics CAN hold aggro, when you spam heal enough, because I doubt he could take many hits at lvl 19..

[RikoRain]

Honestly, I would want the cleric to tank..Clerics CAN hold aggro, when you spam heal enough, because I doubt he could take many hits at lvl 19..

Yes when he lured Marlone to the others, he got hit once, almost died, then the second hit killed him.
The only problem with letting him die is he then would claim for people to res him and hell tank it. Only.. he couldnt tank worth pooh, because of his low level, which caused more problems.

And my only problem with going on by myself in the KQ is.. I dont see the KQ as a solo quest. I see it as a big team effort. Most of the time no one takes lead, so I do, ask who has highest def, and which clerics can res. In that way, everyone knows who is tanking and who is healing who. I get mad at players who rush on ahead and move things for the rest of us (often Ill boot them from my party and say something to the other players letting them know this person has rushed ahead - therefore no one re-parties the person because - in the few times this has happened- everyone has openly stated that we should work as a team).

But yeah, he said he had a gild, and that he would WAR my guild.. psh.. he said he wa slike lvl 50+ on that guild.

I didnt get any guild wars. I started one, and then our enemy brought in their ally. I never heard from this dude all day.

Just a couple hours ago though, i saw it said he reached lvl 20. About two hours after that it said he gained CleverFighter status. So apparently he did NOT get on his 'lvl 50+ main" an attempt to war me. I thought of whispering to him about this, but I figured it was WAY out of line to do so and let it drop.

[Karrotz]

I say the tanker. because he can hold aggro and u cant.
Ur level 25 cleric so if he tank u can heal him alone.
If u tank in the end some mage will take aggro and u cant do anything.

You're a cleric and you think clerics can't hold aggro? o.O

Personally I don't usually take cleric defense into account because fighters can mock if they lose aggro. However if there are no fighters who can tank then clerics would be the next choice. But as long as a fighter can tank 1 hit, I think he can tank with a good cleric or 2 healing him.

On a sidenote, I've seen plenty of fighters who cannot tank because they don't know when to kick. I've even been in mara before with a fighter who didn't have kick. =S

[Yodaman]

Under ideal circumstances, I'd say the fighter tanks even though he's lower level. But, I've seen way too many bad fighters/tanks. First of, all fighters should have supply of defense and vitality scrolls in case they are to tank, but from experience, I see only the decent fighters do. Same goes for all fighters that use 2H weapons, should also have 1H weapon and shield in case they have to tank, but most do not. Then there is always the fact that so many don't even kick, or kick once or twice and that's it. Maybe that's why both fighters I've made end up being master tank most every kq they're in, cause I have a clue.

Anyways, this fighter you're talking about, sounds like one of the clueless ones, so it was probly better that you tank, although retaining aggro could be a problem.

[Soulfrit]

As everyone says..under Ideal circumstances the fighter should tank..but I did Mara KQ awhile back on my Cleric and once we got to the first Mara/Malone NONE of the 4 fighters knew how to Mock or keep aggro and even then I don't think one had over 200 DEF (I at that time including buffs/party etc had 225 Def) and so I tanked it, easily, constant cast of invincible, heal, recover + bash when I wasn't stunned kept it on me, and even if it ran off I abosbred/healed the person and it came straight back ._.
It wasn't fun clanking, but I did it so we could finish the KQ and we did :p