Low level KQ and people who dont actually play.

[kchandler]

Ok, its my turn to post a fussing thread. Today we were playing on our lower level chars and we were in the mara pirates KQ. Now mind you Lerkin is a lvl 23 mage and Kieley is a level 22 cleric. By the time the KQ was over the only person who had not died and was actually in the middle of all the action was myself. Lerkin wouldnt have died had he not saved alot of our butts by suciding to lure away the fake Mara Pirate. People, I dont understand why it is you join KQ and dont do anything. This is not directed to all the people that were in it because some of them were doing what they needed to be doing. But it has been my experience in the past few KQ that I have participated in that the clerics dont want to heal they want to fight. Why is that? Why create a character's who's main purpose is to heal and protect. Anyway this was my moment of fussing. Anyone else noticing things like that?

[Darkwolf30]

The worse has to be Vara in Robo KQs, She just makes scrolls or sits there cheering -_-

[SadSolution]

lol i feel ur pain... but what can u do u can't kill them (or can you... no you can't only if u get mara to do it for u) lol well it happens....

[Darkwolf30]

lol i feel ur pain... but what can u do u can't kill them (or can you... no you can't only if u get mara to do it for u) lol well it happens....
You can kill them :P We managed too, You just have to have an archer lead aggro onto them with natural protection, thats if they are afk

[ray2k]

Hey Kieley! iRay here!

On topic: I agree on some degree to players not playing in the KQ, e.g. Resting even though they've got full hp/sp. It's a waste of space, with KQ's being so high in demand, there are other people who could've come in and played in that person's place. That is unless you have a good reason to leave your character. I have, on 1 or 2 occasions, had to go AFK in a KQ, and I've told my party before doing so.

I don't agree with clerics HAVING TO heal. I mean, yeah, clerics are the only given class that have healing prowess but some players may want to make DD clerics(?). The point I'm trying to give out is, it's not wrong for a cleric to fight, everyone is entitled to their enjoyment of playing the class how they want, but it is wrong if they just stand around aimlessly or having follow on another player.

[Darkwolf30]

I don't agree with clerics HAVING TO heal. I mean, yeah, clerics are the only given class that have healing prowess but some players may want to make DD clerics(?). The point I'm trying to give out is, it's not wrong for a cleric to fight, everyone is entitled to their enjoyment of playing the class how they want, but it is wrong if they just stand around aimlessly or having follow on another player.


I agree with this part, as my cleric is a DD cleric, pure str, mainly for solo because of the heal it makes it nice to get money. So not all clerics need to heal they may be the only class that get's it but everyone plays differently, We have stones and pots for a reason.

[mentics]

Hey Kieley! iRay here!

On topic: I agree on some degree to players not playing in the KQ, e.g. Resting even though they've got full hp/sp. It's a waste of space, with KQ's being so high in demand, there are other people who could've come in and played in that person's place. That is unless you have a good reason to leave your character. I have, on 1 or 2 occasions, had to go AFK in a KQ, and I've told my party before doing so.

I don't agree with clerics HAVING TO heal. I mean, yeah, clerics are the only given class that have healing prowess but some players may want to make DD clerics(?). The point I'm trying to give out is, it's not wrong for a cleric to fight, everyone is entitled to their enjoyment of playing the class how they want, but it is wrong if they just stand around aimlessly or having follow on another player.



I agree with this part, as my cleric is a DD cleric, pure str, mainly for solo because of the heal it makes it nice to get money. So not all clerics need to heal they may be the only class that get's it but everyone plays differently, We have stones and pots for a reason.

Lmao...

then u guys go on and tank those boss in KQ ^^

[XExpressionX]

They just want the exp. They are LEECHING! That is called LEECHING!!!!!Just take a pic saying above your head "Hurry up! Lets go!" or signalling the viewers that he is the person needed to hurreh up. :D He will get suspended or something.

[non_existent]

I find the most annoying idlers to be the ones in Goldhill KQ who just sit at the Ice-gate and wait for everyone else to find the key >.>

[ray2k]

Lmao...

then u guys go on and tank those boss in KQ ^^

Little did you know, clerics make competent tanks if done right.

[kchandler]

Hey Kieley! iRay here!

On topic: I agree on some degree to players not playing in the KQ, e.g. Resting even though they've got full hp/sp. It's a waste of space, with KQ's being so high in demand, there are other people who could've come in and played in that person's place. That is unless you have a good reason to leave your character. I have, on 1 or 2 occasions, had to go AFK in a KQ, and I've told my party before doing so.

I don't agree with clerics HAVING TO heal. I mean, yeah, clerics are the only given class that have healing prowess but some players may want to make DD clerics(?). The point I'm trying to give out is, it's not wrong for a cleric to fight, everyone is entitled to their enjoyment of playing the class how they want, but it is wrong if they just stand around aimlessly or having follow on another player.

Well, maybe i was wrong to say it that way about the clerics only healing. Its not that its wrong for them to fight, its just that when there is only one cleric doing the healing for EVERYONE including the clerics who are fighting it just isnt right. I was full of stones during the KQ and after having to heal and revive everyone I was at "0" and using potions because ALL the other clerics did was fight. I felt as though there was just no help what-so-ever.

[ray2k]

Well, maybe i was wrong to say it that way about the clerics only healing. Its not that its wrong for them to fight, its just that when there is only one cleric doing the healing for EVERYONE including the clerics who are fighting it just isnt right. I was full of stones during the KQ and after having to heal and revive everyone I was at "0" and using potions because ALL the other clerics did was fight. I felt as though there was just no help what-so-ever.

Yeah, it just takes some common sense to help out. Something which some players on this game lack, massively. If there was only one cleric healing in the entire KQ and the rest were fighting, it wouldn't hurt to switch over to healing, even if you were built STR/END and not for healing, that extra healing could save lives.

[kchandler]

Yeah, it just takes some common sense to help out. Something which some players on this game lack, massively. If there was only one cleric healing in the entire KQ and the rest were fighting, it wouldn't hurt to switch over to healing, even if you were built STR/END and not for healing, that extra healing could save lives.
Yeah as i said, that was the problem. everyone kept dying. Lerkin tanked the monsters and at times people took the aggro from him because it is hard for a mage to keep it. I even took it cause I was spam healing him. As soon as it switched to someone else I switched to healing them. While tying to revive those who had died. At the end it took Lerkin suciding 2 times to save peoples butts and leading off the fake mara so that he could go pull the real one. The fake mara that a cleric who thought he knew what he was doing as a fighter pulled. Had the other clerics helped heal not everyone would have died.

[DemonEyeKyo]

lol at the non healing cleric... mostly nub ...well in nub kq lotsa nub cleric dont wanna heal... they dont wanna wastle sp stone and a couple of cooper... and yeah they wanna bash and lol at the guy saying hes dd cleric

[Jobo7]

lol at the non healing cleric... mostly nub ...well in nub kq lotsa nub cleric dont wanna heal... they dont wanna wastle sp stone and a couple of cooper... and yeah they wanna bash and lol at the guy saying hes dd cleric

you should of met this one 1h fighter I grind with, he never had kick, why? because he said he didnt want to tank. at the time i was archer and casted natures protection and killed him :3

[kchandler]

you should of met this one 1h fighter I grind with, he never had kick, why? because he said he didnt want to tank. at the time i was archer and casted natures protection and killed him :3
Yeah there was one of those fighters there also. he thought he was going to be tank since he was "uber" fighter. you know, ive got a char in ever class but an archer. i make sure that all my skills are up to date and that i try my best at everything i do. why play is you are not going to be the best you can be?

[Oirasse]

Yeah there was one of those fighters there also. he thought he was going to be tank since he was "uber" fighter. you know, ive got a char in ever class but an archer. i make sure that all my skills are up to date and that i try my best at everything i do. why play is you are not going to be the best you can be?

This kinda reminds me of a thread I saw earlier...

A lv6 cleric didn't have "heal" because it was "too expensive" >_<
lv20 cleric didn't have party buffs...
Lv30+ fighters w/o "mock" or "kick"...

*sigh* this makes me sad... lol

[Xytch]

Woot I got named! And yeah, if theres a tank better then me, and no cleric willing to party me not much for me to do. So better to use the time making scrolls, and waiting to help run the mobs at the end. :p

[milkncookies]

what is more irritating?

someone that leeches, or someone that kamikazes and dies while fighting the mob?

eg, i tried to hit MD in MD kq, but oops. IM WEAK, i die. and then clerics have to rez me. and then they complain. and if i sit back, they complain too.

so which would YOU rather?

[failedninja]

what is more irritating?

someone that leeches, or someone that kamikazes and dies while fighting the mob?

eg, i tried to hit MD in MD kq, but oops. IM WEAK, i die. and then clerics have to rez me. and then they complain. and if i sit back, they complain too.

so which would YOU rather?

In MD fighters who can't take fire always tank the extra mobs, if ppl think you are leeching by not kamikaze then don't listen.


And the poster said low level KQ I know what he's talking about I always go to Mara for fun and get sad because clerics always so aggressive LOL run ahead of me and don't heal me just... Bash lol. Makes me more irritated since I am cleric as main. I think it is because low level cleric (especially male ones) don't understand / like / are familiar with being full-support because they don't AOE party all the time.

Anyway always funny when I steal aggro of clanker with DD then when mob runs to me the cleric just keeps following the mob and bashing it and leave me to pot, stone, pot, die.

[aliesss]

ya cleric can fight but juz only can fight when their party member is all is in full hp...is ur job cleric 2 heal ppl but not fight...u find a party in kq n u SURPOSE 2 heal!!!fight is not ur job!!!

alies_ lvl5+ cleric
bbgurl lvl4+ fighter
_alies_ lvl2+ mage

[milkncookies]

whoa! _alies speaks!

but yes i agree. clerics main priority is to heal in kq.. heal first, fight later, you know?

if you can do both, youre gawdleh. (\(o.o)

[Jessi-Face]

Hey now hey now, I also dn't like this at all, when I'm playing one of my alts it's very annoying.
But you hace to remember they're noobs, they're not yet familiar with what they actualy are suposed to do.

p.s.
LOLOLOL ROFL ROFL
Mormo used my emotion! XD
-> (\(o.o)

[ErinIlliana]

It's quite irritating when you're fighting mobs and there are clerics that just stand around or attack other things, especially when you're low on HP. In one Mara KQ I was forced to stop fighting and run around in circles (so I don't get out of range for anyone else to hit that mob and not go run into other ones) until my cleric finally healed me. While he was slow, at least he did heal. I agree that it is not our sole purpose to just heal all the time, as that is what most of us switch to other classes for, claiming that supporting 100% can be just plain boring. Many of us like to fight in between when everyone is healthy or there's just an abundant amount of clerics (some KQs can have 60-90% clerics, a crazy amount, though there are contrary moments when only a few or none are there, of course).

In Mini Dragon KQ, I don't bother to go up and hit the boss when we have sturdy tanks and good clerics, or a lack of them. But if the tanks are having trouble and there's plenty of clerics to go around healing, I do attempt to take aggro and bring it to the corner, because I can clank it once I have a steady grip on its aggro. This is one of the few cases where I focus on fighting rather than healing, though when the main tank gains back the threat I revert back to the supportive station.

^ That's where I love the fighters that mock the adds, otherwise they usually end up making it extremely difficult for the tank (especially if it is a cleric whose HP can be significantly lower). Love you all~

And as the others have said, for the lower leveled gamers, just give them time to catch up and learn more about their class, even though some might already have been in 20s (I for one was very clueless even at my 20s when I first started).

[Cherushi]

This kinda reminds me of a thread I saw earlier...

A lv6 cleric didn't have "heal" because it was "too expensive" >_<
lv20 cleric didn't have party buffs...
Lv30+ fighters w/o "mock" or "kick"...

*sigh* this makes me sad... lol

Aww, if they don't have the skill because of money issues, I say it's rather forgiveable, and my clerics are usually lucky, I buy all their skills for them if they lack any. ROFL. =P It's the skill that counts ^.^ But for those that intentionall don't want to buy the skills because they don't want to play their character or role in a party then, goodluck to them o.o"

[snipesnipe]

GH KQ
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Scenario 1:
Archers & Mages: Tanker kick please
Tanker: What's Kick?

Scenario 2:
Fighters, Mages, Archers: Clerics heal please
Clerics(Keep quiet and continue bashing)
Fighters, Mages, Archers: Clerics heal please
Clerics: Shhhh, i don't create a cleric to heal you.(Continue bashing and don't heal others even when tank is in own party)

Robo KQ
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Clerics, Archer, Mages: Some fighters mock please
Fighters: What's Mock??

KQ can be easy or extremely difficult depending on the players inside. With Teamwork, it can be super easy. Without, pray hard to god.:p

Most of the GH kq i go now is quite bad with people not knowing what to do, however, that can be forgiven as they may be new and inexperienced. But it's rather annoying to have players who knew what they are supposed to do and not doing them. Eg. Cleric knew that there's only 1 or 2 clerics in the kq and yet they choose to rush all the way in front taking on all mobs.

However, i've been to a few marvelous GH KQ too with players doing what they supposed to do well. I'm a lvl 28 archer and i drew aggro(km +9 bow) from the Robber Boss and clerics quickly healed me even when they are different party from me. And i ended up tanking the boss. I had an endure buff on me, t1 shield scroll. Nothing else. I'm using gears that are 10 lvls below me(lvl 14 boots and lvl 18 pants) and are normal. My defense is low. I don't have a single HP pot with me as i was vending b4 i when in >.< i only had stones lol.

As we know, stone's cooldown is very long and i would be dead by the 2nd hit the boss land on me but i survived and tanked throughout all thanks to the wonderful clerics there!

Teamwork makes alot of difference. Doesn't really matter how inexperienced you are, rich or poor you are, which class you are playing.

P S. I have a lvl 50+ cleric and i'm saddened by the fact that some clerics in GH KQ claims that they don't create cleric to heal others:( Then y create a cleric in the 1st place? Because they wanna solo and heal themselves? Then y go into kq(which requires teamwork) and try to jeopardise the whole kq by soloing???:eek:

[Orchids_Mantis]

Clerics CAN fight -and even tank- well IF they are played well...the problem is that in a group -and especially a KQ- each class is expected to play a certain role: Fighters are expected to kick to take aggro, mages and archers are expected to attack so the fighter doesn't die, and the cleric is expected to heal whoever is in the party so people don't die; if you don't want to heal don't join the kq or don't join it as a cleric.
I am not saying that they can do nothing but heal, by all means, fight...but the role of healer cannot be taken up by any other class type, so if you don't plan on healing, let the party know -they will either a) boot you because they already have a fighter/dd and need a healer or b) get a cleric that will heal- but at least they won't be surprised in the first fight when you don't heal and they all die expecting to not need to use their stones yet.
My main is a cleric so do not say I don't know what it's like. I do attack in parties, but in KQs and against harder/larger mobs of enemies, I stay back and I heal (though people that come up to me and say "heal me now" "buff me now" usually get a laugh and a good look at the back of my armor)

[Oirasse]

Aww, if they don't have the skill because of money issues, I say it's rather forgiveable, and my clerics are usually lucky, I buy all their skills for them if they lack any. ROFL. =P It's the skill that counts ^.^ But for those that intentionall don't want to buy the skills because they don't want to play their character or role in a party then, goodluck to them o.o"

The problem is... the lv3 heal on cost like... 20c? I can somewhat understand if they don't get party buffs... but if a cleric doesn't have heal then... >.>

[pockitpwns]

Dude a cleric is there to suport a party -_-

[jukex]

Hey Kieley! iRay here!

On topic: I agree on some degree to players not playing in the KQ, e.g. Resting even though they've got full hp/sp. It's a waste of space, with KQ's being so high in demand, there are other people who could've come in and played in that person's place. That is unless you have a good reason to leave your character. I have, on 1 or 2 occasions, had to go AFK in a KQ, and I've told my party before doing so.

I don't agree with clerics HAVING TO heal. I mean, yeah, clerics are the only given class that have healing prowess but some players may want to make DD clerics(?). The point I'm trying to give out is, it's not wrong for a cleric to fight, everyone is entitled to their enjoyment of playing the class how they want, but it is wrong if they just stand around aimlessly or having follow on another player.


Cmon guys, You have the skill use it. If a fighter/mage/archer could heal themselves I don't think they'd be asking, if u create a freaking cleric and don't heal then DON'T CREATE A FREAKING CLERIC, if ur gonna be a DD cleric. dontcha think its way wiser too make a DD/Mage/Archer cause they we'r inputted they'r for a reason?. if u wanna make a solo character go play FF7! or Fable! your playing a "MMO" - MASSMULTIPLAYERONLINE game!!! so cmon. dont give ridiculous comments about clerics can be DD's. (Tankers I dont care, as long as the cleric is smart enough and knows how too hold agro.)