Chain Skill

[nothinglives4eva]

Ok oddly enough yes i was upset to find out we dont get chain skill as fighters but meh but ive lately come to see it might be a good thing. I mean we as Tankers have a issue now when magies get to like oh 60+ and they steal the aggro and die and well we can help it really our mock is a 17.5 second skills at max cd and our deva is about the same. I believe we should have a Chain Skill as well i mean 2x mock or 2x deva would actually help alot in aoe or pvp. So plox vote and also stat ur opinion

[Allnighte]

public polls for the lose

[nothinglives4eva]

i asked for opinions on the skill not ur opinion to be rude :(

[MiDoElBaShA]

it would be better if the taunt from mock and snearing kick had a better effect on the mobs.

like if you kick a harkan and the mage takes 5 hits to kill it,
after 3 hits it'll go after the mage if you're AOE tanking.
you can't be hitting every single mob you're tankin excpet with deva which has quite a long CD. if we get an AOE skill that hits all mobs and has a CD like 10 seconds, it would be nice.


ya i know whirlwind at 60 but that's quite far.
doesnt have to be strong but atleast any skill that hits in a circle from like lvl 40.

[fishin4bass4life]

I lvoe this idea. Heya midoe

[The-Sakura]

I agree, well thought out argument, however.

Fighters are VERY strong in PVP as it is ( to the point where GM's are actually fixing some of your high level stuns), and giving you chain would make it so you can chain stun badly enough that noone will be able to do anything in a fight.

[nothinglives4eva]

OK true but Deva is a aoe skill not a pvp skill first off lol the norm stun works well for pvp but i mean a 2x mock would help alot to pull aggro off a mage lvl 60++++ i mean mages are paper thin and its hard enough to have 1 cleric heal in a aoe. Sure u can get two of them but not always available.

[Sheya89]

All you got to do to avoid losing aggro with one mage in AoE party is space your mock and deva. Instead of doing both right after another, use mock then when the mage uses Nova, Deva the mobs. By the time devastate is done mock cd will be either done or very close to being done. This holds aggro really well especially when you have the pain in the *** pure int mage who constatly seems to want to tank lol.

[AriesMehjor]

Whirlwind is booty! :(

1. the damage isnt all that great
2. it takes you about a year and a half (feels like it while grinding) to use it again.

3. Your sp gets a good chunk taken out of it, so if you're trying to pull a last minute combo, too bad, DELAYED

4. Even if you combo it with a boost from Vitality, then break out a devastate, followed by whirlwind, whoopdy dooo you just did 800-1600 dmg to all mobs, you cant chain devastate, even with full empowerment, by the time it runs out, you'll still have to take the wrath of all mobs hitting you at the same time maybe about 3 times. (Whirlwind is not Nova even with a +9 axe)

Now on the otherhand since theyre just goin loopy and fixin all these classes cool times, be kinda nice If warriors whirlwind had the same CD as devastate

PLEASE NOTE THE ABOVE ABOUT THE COOLTIME, cause its rediculous.

Oh and for the record for anyone who doesnt know about whirlwind, you cant aim it like devastate, it has to be placed so wherever you spin thats it, youre done. You dont have to be fighting anything to use it.
So one missclick and >_< gaaaaaaah gotta wait 3 more mins now >_<

Sorta the same way mages can just cast nova anywhere.

But yeah I'd love some new AOE skills so I could solo a hellova lot easier.
6 blue trumpies is a hard fish to fry when you cant hit all of them like you want to.

[nothinglives4eva]

Not true ive done that trust me and the issue at hand stands at the CD time deva is a good skill to space out but its only hitting 10 mobs at a time and mock is 6 so really u miss out on alot with that i mean chain would help greatly to pull 2x mock. and btw yes pure int mage always end up tanking no matter wat

[Sheya89]

The text on mock is wrong it works on more like 10-12 mobs not just 6. And well your spacing it enough or your duration on devastate is not maxed as well as the cooldown of mock and devastate. Cause its not very often with this technique that I myself have lost aggro. If I do its for the last sec and then they are dead. If your dealing with a lvl 67+ mage then its better to space the devastate after Nova AND Inferno. But I myself would love a chain skill BUT it would greatly overpower the fighter.

[nothinglives4eva]

Idk about over powering i mean a mages fear skill at full cd and max empowered goes for 12 seconds of Fearing u and thats death for sure
i mean a deva state is only like 5-7 secs at most and i mean a full int mage or even a hybrid mage still can pull aggro really well its the gap of time for CD still at deva and mock sure the text might be misleading but comon 17.5 seconds when a mages nova is 10 i believe max CD and trust me its not fun when ur the only tanker xD personally it may slightly give us an advantage but we are the only clas$ that doesnt have it. Im serious mages archer n clerics all have it but we dont seems a lil odd. Also if u look at it this way a Chain skill doesnt need to center around deva or mock we could also use it for our other skills even for vitality which would be nice as well

[Sheya89]

Well chain cast for fighter is pretty much pointless. Double casting mock is rather pointless in itself. Why would you double cast the other skills when the cooldown are 5-8 secs? Whirlwind has pathetic damage why would you waste it on that? All that leaves is..... Devastate. At max duration its 8 secs. If double casted that 16 secs of continual stun. Now in pvp that would be what everyone would call "overpower." And if your gonna talk about the 12 sec chain casted fear. Its not instant death. I have have killed a many of mages in pvp 74+ (Which includes Stiffle, a bigger pain in the *** then fear). Now of course I have died in pvp by mages lol but it doesnt take long for me to analyse their sequence and counter it.

[TopSeller]

I agree that our mock is very weak.. not even to mage .. i even lost aggro to same lvl cleric when he hit lvl 57 ...he get new heal and pull aggro to him.
yesterday i keep on mocking but all monster att mage and cleric .. i feel like i m not the one who is tanking.. btw i hv 5 point cool time to mock and all empowerment on deva

[nothinglives4eva]

See exactly Ku said to to a tee its not easy trying to hold aggro for long when the others out aggro u but Ku do u have t2 mock lol. i know a 2x deva is nice but a 2x mock would be good period cause after deva cd and then u can mock again and then follow suit with another deva its alot easier to pull them aggros to u i mean...ok look at it this lvl 6x tanker lvl 7x mage and a cleric and the mage out aggros u of course mages will after 6x but a mock then deva and then mock again will pretty much gurantee u wont lose aggro well not completely its the skills and power. Also its not over powering the clas$ its so building ur charater for the game to many ppl complain that clas$ balance over hands this and that but when u die cause ur tanker cant keep aggro do u see clas$ imbalance then nope u more here of ur a bad tanker or wat not which is true trust me ive heard that be4....but neway see its not all about bad skill for a fighter/warrior. In all i see a great out come for a fighter/ warrior with Chain.

[Sheya89]

Well bad thing is mock t3 is lvl 85+ skill. But chaining mock is useless cause there is no controlling what mobs you hieghten hate with. You could just be doing same mobs. If you have problem holding aggro then pull less mobs. You just got to find a way to hold aggro. I found my way and its very uncommon I lose aggro. And yes I do lose it, but mainly its cause of pre mature attacks or its 1 mob and is either dead before it reaches its target or one snearing kick will grab it back. It all about timing and the arrangement of how you use your skills.

And looking at other classes w/ chain cast.
Most used skill w/ chain cast.....
Cleric- Invincible
Archer- One of their aoes(Sorry dont know names)
Mage- Nova or Inferno

If fighter had would be Devastate.

And there is complaints about over and underpowerments.
Archers underpowered....
Clerics missing skills.....
Fighters missing skills....(Chain casting not part of them)
Mage is complained to be overpowered escpecially with stun/fear bug.

[nothinglives4eva]

i wasnt referencing this directly at mock im just saying that with a chain skill trust me it would be nice espically with deva or even vitality. simply put yes aggro is hard to keep period in aoe im just putting up a pole to see wat pplz thinks about it and if they would find it useful and as the tally shows so far alot of pplz do lol

[HotRed]

i wasnt referencing this directly at mock im just saying that with a chain skill trust me it would be nice espically with deva or even vitality. simply put yes aggro is hard to keep period in aoe im just putting up a pole to see wat pplz thinks about it and if they would find it useful and as the tally shows so far alot of pplz do lol

Keeping aggro is not that a big problem for the STR Build and 25 SPR rest STR build!

I could keep aggro very well with my Mock and Devastate, all I have to do is to time it!

Here's the hint and try it if it works or not 'coz this is what I do!

Pull many mobs using a Horse and then stay not so far away from the party members!

First thing to do is Devastate them but I always use to lower the defense of the single mob then Devastate and if you ask why then my answer is I just like to do it LMAO! :p

Do normal hits while mobs are still stunned! You may want to switch target to generate aggro but I am too lazy to do that ble! :p Well sometimes yeah I do change target to generate aggro better but no most of that time hahaha! ^_^

Where is the Mock? WOW I forgot! :rolleyes:

Just kidding!

Use Mock five more seconds or so after the effect of the stun has out!

Devastate again after the cool down or when you lose the aggro! Once you hit them with devastate, they will sure get mad and hit you again lol! :D

Mock again after the cool down or hold it until you lose the aggro but not recommended like Devastate! :p

You just need the right timing!

Of course I happen to lose aggro as well nyahahaha! But not so often! ;)

When you lose a single mob you can leave those mobs in front of you (they will follow you anyway ;)) and hit that stupid one using your Power Hit and of course the mob will get mad at you and start to attack you again! Use either Mock or Devastate after that to avoid losing the Aggro and kill that stupid mob who tried to kill your party! :)

Hey, the Chain Skill looks okay anyway to me but make another aoe skill or maybe fix the Whirlwind?!?!?! :D

[MiDoElBaShA]

let's say that you don't have 1 DD in your party,
you've 2 mages / archers with normal DMG each.

you can't hold aggro of more than 10 mobs while trying to figure out which 2 mobs are getting hit to focus you're DMG on. ya sure you can use deva but it only hits 10 mobs and could fail to stun or could miss which makes it easier for the DDs to take aggro.
and a chain mage either pure int or mixed will take aggro from you unless you're hitting that monster.
there DMG is certainly higher than you for sure when you're using a 1h and shield.

so we still need another AOE skill that doesn't neccasry have a high DMG but maybe something like mock but with small DMG or a better taunt effect.

[nothinglives4eva]

WOOT thanks guys ur help and votes mean alot