25 SPR mages & PVP

[cxciv]

hello im new to the game, like 2weeks on my lvl32 25spr+rest int mage on apoline server.

ive been scanning fiesta forums for some time and found out that as of the moment the prefered build for a mage is pure int. And yes by theory pure int does the most damage to a mob and is the most efficient way of using a mage.

my question is regarding pvp, and as what ive heard that mages is still best with all the disables and nukes. will 25spr/restINT mage do better than the pure ints?

i have been in different MMOGs and competetive DotA for quiet sometime, and i know that CRIT is all that matters, specially to games with virtually unlimited pots. time will come with all the patches, balances, buffs and nerfs; that the TANKS will rule the game. this is due to the fact that guild wars/sieges count not the deaths but the KILLS and SURVIVAL will be the key. so here comes the next question, how to pwn the TANK builds? well even with uber damage, you wont kill anything with normal damage because everything is POTable.

more or less this is not thread of question, but an insight on how well mages can do better in pvp.

[Nerevar158]

In my opinion 25spr/rest int mages will do better in pvp then pure int mages.
Doing constant damage over time is very easy to counter against, the stoning time and potting time can be calculated. Whereas if you damage is erratic, changing from high to low and back again. It disrupts the momentum of another player when they stone and pot. But then it depends alot on the mage and player, not just the build.

[Takerial]

Mages by nature are not designed to be too effective in pvp. We can win but not very well.

The reason why a full int build is preferred is mostly dependant on the fact that many higher levels had gone with that when they first started. This means that lowbies will ask them what is best and they would give what they started with.

In reality, there doesn't seem to be too much over scale between full int and hybrid. Hybrid builds tend to be most effective when you combine them with a bunch of critical % in addition to what spr gives. I believe a hybrid with a wand +2% earrings will do better than a full int with the same equip.

To really tell if one is the better. There would need to be more extensive research into the actual class to see if there really is that much difference. Right now it's all just speculation and personal preference.

[k3v1nv]

I just wanted to point out that it actually is possible to kill tanks (well, at least around my lvl going up to lv 35 tanks). I am just a level 24 mage (also 25SPR/rest int), at this moment with a 18% critical rate. After experiences from the battle arena I can tell you that I've killed tanks with 600HP in just 2 blows. They weren't even able to get close to me at all. Also, this doesn't happen as rarely as you may think. Only tanks about 10 levels higher or more wouldnt be able to die from me. Well just wanted to point that out :)
Good luck.

Kind Regards,

/Shyve.

[Nerevar158]

Tanks with 600 hp -.-
My tank is lvl 18....he has 600 hp....
It sounds like you're killing lowbies....
Lvl 35 tanks have (from memory) have like 1.4k hp

Btw i saw you in Sand Hill O.o
Also come meet me there in sometime I wanna duel you ^^

[k3v1nv]

Tanks with 600 hp -.-
My tank is lvl 18....he has 600 hp....
It sounds like you're killing lowbies....
Lvl 35 tanks have (from memory) have like 1.4k hp

Btw i saw you in Sand Hill O.o
Also come meet me there in sometime I wanna duel you ^^

Sure no problem, maybe I made a mistake and I don't remember it very well :)
Whisper me in-game anytime lately I'm online quite alot so :o

/Shyve

[cxciv]

i was talking about the future of mages in PVP and PVP itself among all classes. like giving me whats the possible highest hp/def for a fighter in level cap, and if mages can possibly kill em.

and which would be the better mage against the tank builds.

[The-Sakura]

What most mages scorn, and what I've found very useful in PVP is... 15 END.

Yes END. On a mage.


(Ok, so the real story is I was stupid when I was a low level, put the 15 END on, and had it stuck there ever since)


(it still rules in PvP)

[arjay23]

:( my question is regarding pvp, and as what ive heard that mages is still best with all the disables and nukes. will 25spr/restINT mage do better than the pure ints?


first u have a high brid build''

next, all ur gear must have high end stat and int''

in this kind of gear u can dmg more and it give's more survival status :D

''think'' :confused: if they hit u about 200 to 300+ dmg and u could hit them

by around 300 to 400+ dmg w/o crit, imagine if u get crit mean (2x)dmg :eek:



:D

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guild; pinoy_rules

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IGN; kielmartin

[cxciv]

whats the highest crit % a mage can get witht the current level cap?

[warlordofthesea]

well you want high atk,high crit,and high hp and def so just get a biuld like that and you will be godly



Bijou
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[warlordofthesea]

if you go 25 spr then also had wand that +5% crit or staff +6% i think then license those max adds +5% mroe crit wand = 15% staff = 16% if you have suit that adds 7-10% crit then yeah its pretty good i have rihgt now 25 spr wand +5% and santa suit +10% so thats 20% and i crit ever 3-5 hits and im lvl 51 and i do 1k dmg to harkans when i crit with magic blast EP+5 atk and 500dmg with mm lvl 1 so its great lol

[enumasam]

well I'm a pure spr mage and I've pvp a few times...fighters aren't that hard to kill because they have really poor mdef...and thats one thing thay can't really do anything about...unless they are a pure spr fighter...(I havent seen the build yet though)...just get high end gear and you'll do fine in PVP...I was able to survive 5 shots from a lvl70+ fighter with a +9 axe in Free Battle Grounds...I was lvl 51 at teh time...and I took off about 2k of his hp...crits are the key to winning though because they are unpredictible...get a few chain crits and something dies...lol

[baby_loon]

Hi all, is it +25 spr mage only deal alot more than normal pure int mage in critical only. +25 spr does not really increase ur rate of critical. Pls anyone correct me if i am wrong. thanks

[lifeofbuddha]

Hi all, is it +25 spr mage only deal alot more than normal pure int mage in critical only. +25 spr does not really increase ur rate of critical. Pls anyone correct me if i am wrong. thanks

Alright. You're wrong. A Full Int mage, naturally, deals more damage than a hybrid mage when doing critical damage. +25 Spirit does increase your critical rate as Spirit increases critical rate, it doesn't get simpler than that. It says so in the In Game description and when looking in the Free Stat window I can notice an increase of critical rate after using points in Spirit. I'm aware that some site sharply stated that Spirit does not raise critical rate but from the information I've gathered that's false.

A 25 spirit mage, I believe, by freestat, has 5% critical rate. Then you add things like Wands, equips and the alike. If we for sake of argument say that a mage reaches 20% damage, it statistically deals critical damage 1/5 times. So in order for a Full Int to be more powerful than a hyrbrid mage, it must in 5 hits deal as much damage as a hybrid would in 6 hits.

[Terranwolf]

Alright. You're wrong. A Full Int mage, naturally, deals more damage than a hybrid mage when doing critical damage. +25 Spirit does increase your critical rate as Spirit increases critical rate, it doesn't get simpler than that. It says so in the In Game description and when looking in the Free Stat window I can notice an increase of critical rate after using points in Spirit. I'm aware that some site sharply stated that Spirit does not raise critical rate but from the information I've gathered that's false.

A 25 spirit mage, I believe, by freestat, has 5% critical rate. Then you add things like Wands, equips and the alike. If we for sake of argument say that a mage reaches 20% damage, it statistically deals critical damage 1/5 times. So in order for a Full Int to be more powerful than a hyrbrid mage, it must in 5 hits deal as much damage as a hybrid would in 6 hits.
Correct. Spirit only increases SP pool and the % chance you hit with a critical.

[gmlacsoy]

Correct. Spirit only increases SP pool and the % chance you hit with a critical.

did someone say spr increases dmg?

people here talk damage per time, and the thread says 25spr mages & PVP. And the issues concerned are with mages doing the best instant dmg by crit, and are the best tank killers.

[IcyPhoenix]

mages ARE built for pvp - dont complain till u get to 67

chain cast
fear
frost nova
fear
inferno
(full co (enemy player is dead) mbo list)

[EchoSound]

What Phoenix said. >_> Mages skills are targeted toward pvp. We get an arsenal of them at a very young age: Mana Burn and Purge are two of them. Explain their uses outside of pvp. You literally can't. Mana Burn's purpose is exactly as it sounds, and Purge removes a buff. What monster has mana to burn and stacked full of buffs? o_O And if you want to be technical, dispel is in that area as well. It gets rid of (most) archer poison, and fighter debuffs.

And uh... more on topic. I'm a pure bred int mage, and I'm not only experimenting with a hybrid on another server, but I've asked a guild mate who is a hybrid. She says she likes the extra crit bonus, but its only by 5%. There's still that chance they won't crit. Usually, when they do, its around my normal damage. When I crit (which is a lot, considering I have a damn nice wand) its usually over 1k or somewhere near. She complains about it, and envies my awesome high crit. XD But uh, more to my point: I wouldn't taint the build. In the higher levels, I hear the aoe's don't crit at all. Its better to have the full damage than to half @ss it.

But that's just my two cents. ;D

Oh. Also; end equips = <3 Not only do you live longer in pvp, things hit you for less and if you absolutely MUST solo... its a hell of a lot easier to do. A guild mate of mine can't solo orcs yet, and I've been doing it most of my 50's. We're also only a few levels apart.

[mike2223312]

hybrid mages ftw!