Selfish spot owners in Abyss?

[Garionsg]

Hiya,, this thread is not intended to be a flame of anyone else, just to intend to discuss certain behaviors observed recently in the Abyss..

Ok the situation goes like this.. Recently people have been spot claiming ie. claiming certain spots for themselves in the dungeons. Legally, it is against the rules (i remember GM saying that spot claiming is well.. bad)

but of course for courtesy, it wont be nice to walk right into a room when people are doing their AoE. Ok but what is the crux of the issue is that people are now spot claiming the "large area" in the 50s dungeon (at least)...

The situation goes like this: we know groups like to stick to the edges of the map of this "large area" for AoE. Fine, they run around mobbing and return back to their corners for AoE. But what is puzzling is that the centre spot must be part of their territory as well.. Umm can't really explain well so here's a picture to show what i mean

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj112/Garionsg/screenshot018.jpg

By the way please do not flame anyone, (be it him or me).. This thread was never meant to pinpoint fingers nor describe who is at fault. The purpose of my thread is to generate discussion and lay down certain ethical rules for the dungeons .

[Roseanna]

I'm so glad I've moved on from 5x pvp, even on Epith I was running into problems. I'd be in a nice comfy room soloing away, and in someone comes without saying one word to me. Okay, come in right next to me and don't even say hello, I can take a little rudeness. -_- But then when it got to the point where I could not press the tab button without either targeting their mob, a mob on them, or the player themselves... and had to sit around waiting for mobs to spawn... I started getting ticked off. First they were rude and didn't even say hello, then I have no mobs left to kill and I was there first. -_- Come on now.

So seriously, pvp is a large place. If you walk into a room and it's being used, move on. If there is actually not one single grinding spot free, then have a little politeness and say hello to the people in the room, and just say the entire map is full can I grab a little corner please. In my entire 50's not one person did that, and if someone had I would've been so shocked that I would have been incredibly nice to them. If someone responds nasty to that, do you really want to be in a room where they can easily kill you anyway?

Sharing is good. Inconveniencing the person who's sharing with you is not. Treat others as you would like to be treated. If you were there first, you'd want mobs left to kill if you shared with someone else, too. My two cents, anyway. There has to be a line drawn between "using the grinding spot" and "spot claiming." Spot claiming how I picture it is drastic (setting up an AFK shop saying "spot taken" while restoning, AOEing between multiple grinding spots - like both navar rooms - and not being willing to share one, etc.)... while using the grinding spot is what everybody does.

(By the way, when I say "you" I'm not aiming that at the thread starter. Just talking in generic towards how people should treat each other. All of the above is my opinion... nothing official... don't shoot me.)

[joecracker]

just so you all know, from the battlefield i think anything goes since its a battlefield pvp area

so just kill them!


also the ks in battle feild i dont think is a KS since it is a battlefeild and is ment for anything goes, unless gm's want to chim in on this


meaning when in BF anything goes since it is a PVP area, unless they changed something

[whitecrowe]

Yeah, this problem seems pretty redundant unless you're too weak to handle things. The whole point of the PvP arena having higher exp and drops was to draw people there and give them a reason to actually fight. If someone steals your spot you're an idiot to sit around and take it.

Fight back! See that party has a cleric deadly focused on healing a fighter, a fighter with 8+ monsters on him, a nearly defenseless mage taking aggro, and possibly a weak skinned archer. Kill the cleric, they all die from mobs, lose exp, and eventually get fed up. Kill the mage, firepower is gone, fighter gets wailed on while mage is revived, they eventually get sick of it and leave. Kill the fighter while he's tanking, mobs go for the cleric/mage then archer, and they hate you with a passion. Either way you accomplish the goal of AoEing more mobs and punishing those who stole from YOUR spot.

Of course they could always come back and do the same to you, but you can spend a few moments away from gaining exp to force others to lose it. As long as monsters don't attack you while you're fighting you're safe.

[Shadowic2]

O.o Man I'm glad all the people I've ran into in the level 50 Abyss on Apoline were nice and courteous. I've had people try to heal me, only to find out they can't, so they help me kill if I'm in trouble. I've had a couple of AOE parties come into where I'm grinding, and they leave out of respect for my space. In apoline the only problem we have concerning this, is a guild that claims spots in the level 60 abyss, and spawn kills and chain wars people and such.

Though I do believe that they made these PvP areas so people can be competitive while grinding. But unfortunatly, most people don't know how to have a clean, fair fight, and it turns into harassment. Plus no one wants to lose exp because of another player in those zones.

[Gravvi]

Yeah, this problem seems pretty redundant unless you're too weak to handle things. The whole point of the PvP arena having higher exp and drops was to draw people there and give them a reason to actually fight. If someone steals your spot you're an idiot to sit around and take it.

Fight back! See that party has a cleric deadly focused on healing a fighter, a fighter with 8+ monsters on him, a nearly defenseless mage taking aggro, and possibly a weak skinned archer. Kill the cleric, they all die from mobs, lose exp, and eventually get fed up. Kill the mage, firepower is gone, fighter gets wailed on while mage is revived, they eventually get sick of it and leave. Kill the fighter while he's tanking, mobs go for the cleric/mage then archer, and they hate you with a passion. Either way you accomplish the goal of AoEing more mobs and punishing those who stole from YOUR spot.

Of course they could always come back and do the same to you, but you can spend a few moments away from gaining exp to force others to lose it. As long as monsters don't attack you while you're fighting you're safe.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. thats funny i wanna do that to someone.


But lately its really bad in the 60+ battleground. Well yes its pvp yes you lose exp. WHO wants to lose 40k+ exp. Not me. I try to avoid problems. Most people will ask if you can find another room or if they would like to share. I mean it would be courteous to ask before barging in. I was in a party and two people challenged two people from teh other party to a duel winner gets room. See people don't want to pvp there so they said no.

But to put it simple. Either ask if u can share a room. Or the other party ask if they can please find another room.

[Terranwolf]

Well, it is PvP, so there aren't any rules against fighting over mobs.

[booyah8876]

I was walking around the 6x BG yesterday, and when we came upon people, me and a tank decided that we were going to kill them.

Not for any reason, and not for a spot to grind...

just because it was PvP, and grinding was getting a little boring :P

Next thing you know, the mage we killed has a cleric friend.

All's well, they give us another shot, and we still kill them.

Then they get another cleric,

and we still killed them.

Then they start talking to us like we're not supposed to be attacking each other.

The point of the BG's are to have über exp WITH the risk of someone coming over and killing you.

That simple.

[Hydr0]

I hate pepole who come and just take the room.
if they say they wanna split it's ok.. but depend on who and who is their party members.
If we got full room and we are full party with 4 mages and 1 cleric.. i dont think cleric and mage will think half room.. we were here first and they need to respect it;.
i will never steal any1 else room , he was there first..
so it's all depend on the person.. it sux that there are not alot of places to grind now..

[Serric]

Here's the deal as far as I understand it...

No one can legally claim a spot in Fiesta - anywhere - period.

PvP areas are open to Marshal Law - i.e. the players make the rules there for the most part. If you don't want them there, then kill them. However, this is a double edged sword as it can come back to bite you in the rear.

Survival of the fittest, I guess.

[bship810]

hehe, you have apples on your hot keys :P

[Angelxx]

Regardless of which area in the game we are in, common courtesy should still prevail.

I was duoing with a cleric yesterday and aoe'ing mobs when this other mage/cleric duo came in. The mage ran right into the room drew all the mobs and started aoe'ing them leaving me with no spawn to kill.

I had been there for over an hour, hunted for a free room, waited for a free room and without a word he comes and takes over. That was rude. When I asked if he couldn't see that people were already there he claimed that all the other rooms were taken. I'm like duh?! What am I? Chopped liver?

I proceeded to pvp him and when his cleric started attacking me I pvped her too. The 4 of us were pvping each other when the mage said he knows what would get rid of us. Then he runs back into the room, pulls a whole load of mobs to us and disappears. I killed his cleric and proceeded to kill the mobs he trained on us.

I warned him that training mobs deliberately was a bannable offence and he tried to come up with stupid excuses about how he thought I was leaving. Duh?! Then his cleric claimed we teamed on her when it was them teaming on my cleric.

The ironic thing was I would have partied them if they had asked. Sharing a room would be difficult as my aoe would either damage them or their mob but partying wouldn't have been a problem.

Of course this idiot mage starts claims about me being selfish and refusing to share. As I told him, don't expect others to be courteous to you when you are rude to them.

[rbd1313]

OK think we need a ruleing on this from a GM although what Serric said maybe true I think more offical from GM srry Serric. I was having the same problem in lvl 60 BG we and just about everyone else in there were there to grind not fight and had people claiming spots well screen shots where taken and sent to GM for responce. However a GM has made it clear even if in a battleing guild and war is called no matter if your in town or out of town if you say your not fighting and not wanting to be warred in mushie or not that guild must let you live and not mess with you period. So say won't the same go for BG yeah i know it's a pvp zone but if your not looking for a fight just to find a place to grind then shouldn't you be able to just grind with hope the school yard bully is not going to try to attack or his multible friends????

[k3v1nv]

I think they should have PvP in all areas where only lv 20+ go.
Would make it alot easier to handle those people that don't understand a word English, are very rude and just run around attacking every monster that starts to aggro you. >.<

[KireiYosei]

Thats kind of why I'm glad I'm 70 now. No BG. But I miss the exp.

No one can actually own a spot. Its something I call player-made laws. Not official rules, but common courtesy thats the players have established in their certain community(kind of like considering farting in public rude). If there are people in a "spot" or area, it would be kind of you to respect their distance and the monsters in the area that they are killing. Of course you don't have to. If you want to move on in, okay, do it.

Also vice versa.. if you're in a spot, all you can do is hope the people coming in respect your distance and relocate. Of course if they choose not to, there is nothing you can do, except throw a fit, which isn't recommended, or come to some kind of agreement.

I always found ways to share rooms in the BGs, but I also ran into people who would threaten to kill me if I didn't leave. I don't bother with people that are like that, so I just leave.

[Kaiza]

I dont understand spot owning in Abyss lmao^^ The only rule there is the stronger owe the spot, because he can kill other players legal without asking there. If people dont like such, just grind somewhere without free PvP [The reason why XP is raised there] ;)

[Leens]

Ya I noticed that a lot in teh dungeon of abyss too -_- Good thing I'm too high level to go in. But I heard that people are starting to OWN spots and kill those who are in there >.< From what I remember, no one technically owns a spot, if you are there, you have the right to kill the monsters. So if htey kill you for saying that's their spot, that's against the rules really.....

Honestly if people are being so hostile about it, I would take a screenshot and report it ot a GM.

[Thasmudyan]

I had always taken the "no spot claiming" rule to simply mean that GM's will not get involved in disputes over grinding spots. People can say they own a spot all they want, but if other players do not acknowledge the claim and fight there anyway, the claiming group can't then go complain to the GMs (as long as the newcomers aren't directly KSing mobs from the claiming group). The claimers also can't retaliate by training and/or KSing, because guess what, those -are- against the harassment rules. In regular zones, the two groups have no choice but to share, or leave.

PvP is different, because a group claiming an area has the option to simply attack newcomers who refuse to leave. Likewise, newcomers can attack a group that's in a spot they want. This is why the battlezones give more exp - because of the risk of this sort of thing happening.

That said, just because there is no game rules against it, doesn't mean it's a good idea. At high levels, you become known and recognized, and if you become known as a jerk who claims battlezone spots and kills people who try and share, you might find yourself having a hard time getting parties in the future... or the friends/guildies of those you killed might decide to come after you. If you anger enough other players, you might find yourself unable to grind in the battlezones at all, because you'll keep getting attacked.

It's also simply common courtesy to respect other groups (or soloers), regardless of whether you grind in battlezones or normal zones. Show other players respect, and you'll get respect in turn, and that might pay off later if you need a party or help with a quest sometime.

[DemonEyeKyo]

no spot claiming in well regular area... but in bg well... if im the strongest i guess i can claim whole map unless people kill me... its pvp zone :P