Mages V.s Scouts (archers)

[ZAPDOS21]

well... i want to say is a same lvl66 mage, scout wer fighting.who might win?
and its fair that they deal almost same as us but faster? i would like to say i prefer scouts cuz of their speed,weight,def,hp but i want some mage or scouts opinions about who is the best..or they are the same but just some diferent skills?

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[shelfie1234]

wow crazy i was just gonna make a thread like this!!!

yea scouts are definitely better than a mage

asking y?

scouts pros over mage
- scouts deal the same dmg as us and faster as u said AND cost them less mp than our skill
-scouts get pow stat to improve dmg AND weight capacity by alot but mage use int to up dmg but thats it.( not much benefit from int) (hope they improve the int stat a bit)
- scouts are way faster when moving than a mage
-scouts can benefit more from cash shop items (eg. horror mask, cowboy suit etc)
-they cast the slow spell really fast as for mage, we cast magic ice really slow
-mage got alot weaker def than a scout

mage pros over scouts
-dont need arrows

[ZAPDOS21]

ty and i have to add...
pros of mages is that we deal same every were -.- (dont know if thats good, cuz we look weak in lairs)

[Jayel2010]

. . . Well havin been in the mage vs. scouts scouts do pawn over mages more so because of their numbers to me, yeah they deal more then us and because of the cashshop way more then us its a lot more of them thats active in events then mages but Monday we need to get together for the Magician vs Fighters

[Nixxy]

In alot of mmo's the combat triangle is something like Melee > Archer > Mage (Mage beats melee)

Although SoS isnt exactly the same as other games.

The plus side is scouts are alot weaker vs high defense mobs, whereas magic attacks arent affected by defense really.

[shelfie1234]

i dont think theres such a thing as magic def here

all dmg are reduced by armor only

[kioji_Y]

scouts have pretty fast tech speed, so they do much more dmg as a whole vs a mage in pvp.

[Lahar]

If you are just going fo rthe PvP aspect then yes scouts and archers are way stronger than a mage

If you go for the PvE then in some areas there are monsters that have high physical def and thus their dmg is reduced while ours remains or increases a little

But yeah well be overpowered untill we get our 3rd class (note i seen this on xenepic who knows if here will be the same) Wiz dmg get quite a boost on xenepic doing 1600+ just after changing to high lv monsters so we catch up at lv 96 to what a lv 100+ archer does in dmg

[chellexdevil69]

scouts rule ^^

[ggBuRNe]

i watched the xenepic video and was amazed with the wiz hp.. idk how in the world wiz can accept more than 1000 damage... mybe xenepic is different than SoS.. Anyway, i was dissappointed with wizard gears.. their shield/def is way too low compared to my gears now.. I think wizard def will be so low and can only go as high as 230 with +5 6ap full gears.. However, the magic damage will be greater.. mybe wiz can hit as high as 1000+ with lvl3 magic fire.. But then without def, wiz can die in 5 hit in sherwood with 500hp unless ther hp is nearly 1000 or 1000+..

As for PvP, scout is stronger than mage unless the mage has strong def.. Mage hit hard as well, it is just the fact that mage has weaker def and less skill speed which makes them at disadvantage against scout..

[ZAPDOS21]

DANG...well hope ur right meaning of we deal almost same as lvl 90 cuz i dont like te view of our weakness -.- but well hope the next magic attacks give us the adventage ^^

[I_have_no_shoes]

wow crazy i was just gonna make a thread like this!!!

yea scouts are definitely better than a mage

asking y?

scouts pros over mage
- scouts deal the same dmg as us and faster as u said AND cost them less mp than our skill
-scouts get pow stat to improve dmg AND weight capacity by alot but mage use int to up dmg but thats it.( not much benefit from int) (hope they improve the int stat a bit)
- scouts are way faster when moving than a mage
-scouts can benefit more from cash shop items (eg. horror mask, cowboy suit etc)
-they cast the slow spell really fast as for mage, we cast magic ice really slow
-mage got alot weaker def than a scout

mage pros over scouts
-dont need arrows

So true. Despite the fact that mages can hit harder than archers in certain circumstances, the fact that archers can use their skills faster which means that by the time a mage does say 500 damage, the archer would have done 2x 400 damage.

I also think it's lame when I see scouts/archers 'outdamage' mages when up against monsters with lower defence even if the mage is full int, such as at blackheart's lair.

If mages were intended to be so slow, then the damage output is not high enough to make up for their weakness.

[Eupsicle]

scouts have pretty fast tech speed, so they do much more dmg as a whole vs a mage in pvp.

Well, it's because mage def is the lowest in game? :/

[kioji_Y]

Well, it's because mage def is the lowest in game? :/

i think acos are lower, but they have self heal:)
btw, y did you delete a lv 78?

[cdar52184]

lvl 66 mage 1v1 with a lvl66 scout i think mage will definitely win i did fight shiki and cig when i was a lvl 66 apprentice and sadly i did lost but f i was a mage back then it be a different story i remember gettting hit like 100 and i was giving damage about 70+ with the gear and weapon difference and mage and a lvl 66 scout mage will win but fighting shiki i doubt it ^^

[Ranmayasha]

Actualy as I heard comparing SoS to Xenepic is a bit incorect. Couse in Xenepic all mogs/chars got more hp and thats why they also deal alot more damage. But it's only second hand info so nothing 100% sure.

Your's Ran~

[ZAPDOS21]

o well i guess we would not know till we try it... but im not sure aBout cdar reply that a mage can win an scout of lvl66 1vs1.. I guess if we try a lvl 45 1v.s1 the mage have more chance of win cuz def if almost same and the damage is equal as the begining wile new archers is decreased...but dunno XD

[ggBuRNe]

I beat an archer lvl 91 named Sakura today.. It took like 20 minutes though.. i wasted 100 weightless pots on her and she wasted 200 weightless pots.. She hit me 65+, jay hit xtra 8 damage from her and shiki hit me 90, 100+ with criticals.. Not to mention that my def is 207 (the highest for mage so far).. From my observation, it is hard for mage to beat archer at the same lvl because they are faster and they crits often.. I think that we need skill speed to take them down.. 1 magic fire = 3-5 wind blow.. So, it is very hard to take them down.. they can get us any time.. Later when i become wizard, i want to reset my stat and put 30 men and see how it goes.. Wizard will deal more damage than archer for sure.. And we need to remember that they are 3rd class job, so they are slightly better than 2nd class job..

[kanoona]

yeah archer would prolly win >.<
they hit so fast and hard
not to mention all the crits

[Trashknight]

i think acos are lower, but they have self heal:)
btw, y did you delete a lv 78?

Actually, the shield makes the Aco have higher defence then the Apprentice.. That is, unless Mages somehow got gear surpassing Clerics for second tier.
(Anyone have clean sets for them both for comparing?)

[ZAPDOS21]

I beat an archer lvl 91 named Sakura today.. It took like 20 minutes though.. i wasted 100 weightless pots on her and she wasted 200 weightless pots.. She hit me 65+, jay hit xtra 8 damage from her and shiki hit me 90, 100+ with criticals.. Not to mention that my def is 207 (the highest for mage so far).. From my observation, it is hard for mage to beat archer at the same lvl because they are faster and they crits often.. I think that we need skill speed to take them down.. 1 magic fire = 3-5 wind blow.. So, it is very hard to take them down.. they can get us any time.. Later when i become wizard, i want to reset my stat and put 30 men and see how it goes.. Wizard will deal more damage than archer for sure.. And we need to remember that they are 3rd class job, so they are slightly better than 2nd class job..
o.O !!!! U remind me that they are 3rd class !!! so we might get a chance wen we fight 3class same lvl...at least the problm will be our slow attack rate but well lets see whats on wen 3rd class is available XD

[Spore44]

id have to agree with jayel2010 the main reason we dont win very often in PvP is b/c we practicly the smallest guild our of the 4

[HeartlessKairi]

Er...well...I never tried Scout/Archers vs. Mage so I never know ^^; All I know is, mages/apprentices have the worst defense ever...Well, don't far rangers do? ._.; I prefer Scout actually, cause seeing the death of my apprentice is really sad...no wonder I gave up on it.

Mages have low chance against Scouts, (random: though they do look cute ^^) and maybe even Scouts can rule us all. I don't know, we will see the answer someday in our Secret of Solstice lives. ^^

I can't wait to see see a third-class magician (Wizard I believe). That will be awesome. (It might help me get back to my Apprentice) Once the implemented the FULL class of every class ;>>

[AmrothRumil]

o.O !!!! U remind me that they are 3rd class !!! so we might get a chance wen we fight 3class same lvl...at least the problm will be our slow attack rate but well lets see whats on wen 3rd class is available XD

eeehhmmm~~~ Sorry to interrupt Archer is the 3rd class you are forgetting Neophyte are the 1st class of there class change [X.x"] will if you consider it 2nd than will it be 2nd, but i consider it the 3rd class [x.x"]

BTW I'm a Scout and My bro's a Mage and it is true that mage has slower casting, but than if you add MEN than you will cast faster like the archers do aswell for crits because of the added MEN Like you guys said early and on other forums have and had posted

MEN = Hit Rate/Crit/Skill Crit
MEN = Casting Skill Speed (which effects all class casting skills attacks)

But than you'll end up doing similar damage as the Scout/Archers with same casting speed. The other thing is that some Archer build do Have AGI for chances to dodge Attacks/Magic Attacks.

But than if you guys do change your Stats your Magic Damage will decrease on the down side but than your casting will increase on the other hand. But with the Archer Dodge than there is no explaining how the Outcome would be. These are just based on my thought and theories of Stats Build. I am not here to talk trash, but just give some thoughts about it ;)

Oh By The Way My Bro and I Same LvL but yes casting for scout is faster but just 5-20 Difference in Damage, but i added some in AGI though :D

[ggBuRNe]

and mages used more mps than archers.. They will lose in the end of the fight..

[wmdonlooker]

Yep scouts r way over powered for pvp events, mages have it bad true, but least u can hit back most of the time, fighters don't get that luxury, yeah we have high def, but wants the point when we can't even get close to them, they just ankle bind and run and its no use waiting for them to run outta arrows, cos they weight lik 0.1, meaning they just carry thousands at a time and with archers like shiki, no one reallyt has a chance, though hopefully when the 3rd class comes out, the warrior class will have powerful skills and even better armour, but back to the topic, yeah they pawn every one true, but least u can hit them back for just has much!

[ggBuRNe]

any warrior or wiz wont have a single chance against shiki no matter how much def u got.. He will just hit super fast with his +10 golden bow and he is one lvl away fr ranger although he is not grinding atm.. Well, I did kill quintin last week because he was wearing the ugly donkee head with cowboy suit.. 4 win points fr 90+ archer ^^

[joshiasi]

any warrior or wiz wont have a single chance against shiki no matter how much def u got.. He will just hit super fast with his +10 golden bow and he is one lvl away fr ranger although he is not grinding atm.. Well, I did kill quintin last week because he was wearing the ugly donkee head with cowboy suit.. 4 win points fr 90+ archer ^^

now u messing with me donkee... n your kill was when i was almost dead cuz lily was attacking me n i cant fight back to her...

u just love my donkeee.... admit eeetttt!!!! :p

[HeartlessKairi]

@Quintin: O.o Lol. Awe...

[ggBuRNe]

donkee freakin uglyhhh

[joshiasi]

donkee freakin uglyhhh

<3 u too fogee :p

[ZAPDOS21]

well i made a scout as u all know and i got conclucion scout will pwn a mage (even arrest n beam are useless wen bouth are same lvl)
scout have more def,weight,attack speed,criticals,dodge and beter damage T.T
hope this helps a mage or app to know that u cant beat a scout carrying 300hp pots and 150mp and wasting 6per hit.

[silentbugs]

rouges win -.-!

XD

[Ayanami]

I gotta agree archers beat mages in PvP (assuming even matchups), due to all the reasons already stated but also due to our cool PvP skills. Remember siphon, poison arrow, and phantom arrow? You know, those skills that archers never use? Yea, well, they rock in PvP. They'll drain you down to 1 hp in no time if you're not spam-healing.


Wiz dmg get quite a boost on xenepic doing 1600+ just after changing to high lv monsters

Be careful siting Xenepic/Xen Online as references. I have been told that the damage/defense/hp numbers have been altered significantly in this version (for example, in Xenepic, more damage is dealt and characters have more hp than in SoS).

[ggBuRNe]

rouges win -.-!

XD

Look at my neo pvp record.. Total pawnage..


I gotta agree archers beat mages in PvP (assuming even matchups), due to all the reasons already stated but also due to our cool PvP skills. Remember siphon, poison arrow, and phantom arrow? You know, those skills that archers never use? Yea, well, they rock in PvP. They'll drain you down to 1 hp in no time if you're not spam-healing.



1st thing, not all archers can beat all mages.. 2nd thing, siphon, poison arrow, and phantom arrow are useless against me.. xD

[ZAPDOS21]

Look at my neo pvp record.. Total pawnage..



1st thing, not all archers can beat all mages.. 2nd thing, siphon, poison arrow, and phantom arrow are useless against me.. xD
LIES -.- unless u have SC pots D: or ur bar full of elixirs n potions muahaha

[AnimePimp66]

xD i only bring 200 mp to pvp i would bring hp but ya know........ id b snail if i had hp xD maybe ill end up putting pow for more pots when i hit wizard lmao first wiz with pow build xD sure ill hold yer pots

[ggBuRNe]

LIES -.- unless u have SC pots D: or ur bar full of elixirs n potions muahaha

Only talk if you experience it yourself.. If you are less lvl 96 u have 40% chance to win.. I don't need hp pots.. mp pots and magic shield are enough.. how high damage can u make?? and if archers don't have horror mask, their attack are weaksauce.. Since you are less 96, you can try hit me under magic shield and no horror mask.. I say low mp pots from general item store are enough to beat u..

[Dragonkillerz5]

im in the magician line,but i know cuz in the combat triangle warrior beats archers and archers beat magician and magician beats warrior , but a wizard could probably beet an archer

[killah_2787]

well.....if u really gonna look at it.....archer have the upper level.... mage can only pawn archer if they r higher lvls but der stil a gud chance dat archer could win it.....


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[ggBuRNe]

im in the magician line,but i know cuz in the combat triangle warrior beats archers and archers beat magician and magician beats warrior , but a wizard could probably beet an archer


well.....if u really gonna look at it.....archer have the upper level.... mage can only pawn archer if they r higher lvls but der stil a gud chance dat archer could win it.....



To be honest, if you don't think you can't beat other classes, then why you become a mage?? I beat many archers in duel.. The chances to beat them is depending on level and skills.. At the same level, our chances to beat them is 40/60, 60% to them.. I haven't had a good fight against archer for a while.. The last one was against ...Sakura... .. I dueled Mortelle this week but he had 0% chances against me with magic shield control plus my high damage, burn + poison DOT.. I'm looking forward for level 5 magic shield and this skill will surely reduce more damage against monsters and players..

Again, if you think this class is weak, then why you want to become one?? Believe in this class and learn your skills properly.. You will notice this class is the best in game, well at least for me xDD ;)

[solarwings]

In alot of mmo's the combat triangle is something like Melee > Archer > Mage (Mage beats melee)

Although SoS isnt exactly the same as other games.

The plus side is scouts are alot weaker vs high defense mobs, whereas magic attacks arent affected by defense really.


Actually the combat triangle is more like:

Melee> Mage> Archer

[Dragonkillerz5]

@ggburne

Who said i think that mages are weak?!?!?!? >.< I love the magician class, and don't you dare think i don't