If you don't wan't me to accidentally kill one of your mobs please allow inspection

[Tomkatt]

Ok, I know the title's a bit pretentious, and this is a bit of a rant but hear me out.

In the last two days I've had two entirely opposite experiences.

Last night I was partying in Blackheart's lair I saw an apprentice fleeing from an enemy. Typically I'd leave this alone, but he wasn't attacking and running, just fleeing. Figuring I'd help, just in case I just used blindside to give him breathing room. However, I didn't realize the enemy was nearly dead and blindside killed it.

I apologized for KS, but the guy just said "ty," apparently he was out of magic and HP, and I assume pots since otherwise I'd think he'd have killed it no problem. He was lvl 30, so I could see how there'd be an occasional need for assistance down there without Sparkcash items. After that scenario, I apologized again and buffed him with accuracy, my wife buffed him with assist heal, and I blindsided the nearest enemy coming in and took off, an offering of goodwill, if you will.

So that was no big deal, no hard feelings and no harm done.

However, two nights ago I was in BHL 2nd area, and I saw a guy running from a big mob, at least 6, 7 enemies. He wasn't attacking, just running around. His stats are blocked, and he's in a bear suit so I've got no way to check class or level. Another enemy joins in and attacks him, so I run over and blindside and try to help, since my wife and I together can handly roughly 4-6 of these enemies by ourselves depending on the situation, I thought I'd draw some heat off.

The guy get's upset and says "don't take my mobs, I get sh** exp." Maybe I'm being overly sensitive but it offended me. Firstly, there were 3 or 4 groups/parties in the general area fighting, the guy was probably pulling mobs that other people were fighting to begin with. Second, the enemy I attacked wasn't part of the mob originally, and third, how was I to know? I can't tell your class in full bear suit, can't see what you're doing, and it appeared as though the guy was running for his life. Plus I can't inspect to view level or any info because player inspection is denied.

I mean, am I being overly sensitve? I mean, I'm a lvl 44 neo, so I've got invisible. Usually if people jump in when I'm fighting a few enemies, I politely let them know that if it gets rough I can go invisible (at which point the mobs are theirs anyway), but I feel like the response was a bit rude from this guy. Not to mention the fact that I'm getting "sh** exp" too, you know. Probably a bit more than someone at a super high level, but still low. It's not like the guy cares about it when he gathers all the mobs around and nobody else nearby can level, but I digress.

Plus, the devs set it up so we can inspect players but almost nobody actually has it enabled.

I don't know, like I said I'm just ranting a bit and I'm proobably being overly sensitive, but for me it's a frustrating issue and ranks up there nearly with intentional KSing. I could see people being upset on a normal map, but most of the time in BHL the place is complete chaos and bedlam anyway with everyone fighting in small areas to begin with.

[catry]

I pretty much ignore any ks'ing, accusations of ks'ing, attempting ks'ing, mobbing, etc. that goes on in BHL. It's crowded, mobs there are relatively weak and ridiculously common, and there's no death penalty so for all intents and purposes anything goes. Don't let it get to you, and if someone insists on being a ***** about ks'ing in there just laugh quietly to yourself that they're getting lousy xp and crying over basically nothing. :D

[anmlink]

meh truthfully i havent realy played much of SoS

but from the situation your describing the other player is just an arrogant snot

most people have the common sense to realize someone is just trying to help or at least politely ask you not to KS but to come out as blunt as that and to claim you were dileberatly trying to KS

well.. hate to say it but it sounds like an immiture younger player to me

i just say to shrug it off.. not everyone is like that.. hell i endure a lot of critisism in fiesta due to being an archer

it just pays to realize its not so much as what the other person thinks of you but more as to what you think if yourself... if your intentions are well then that is what matters

[Serric]

We have the same thing in Fiesta, too. An individual or small group runs around pulling nearly every mob in the area to themselves then cried KS! if someone takes one... fromwhat I understand, it is only genuinely KSing if someone attacks the monsters that you are currently attacking, not what's currently attacking you. So if you pull 5 mobs onto you, that leaves 4 as fair game to others if they wish unless you can attack all 5 simutaneously.

As for your example it sounds like he was greedy... but remember, these are the players that seem to ask for heals and buffs the most, too. ^^

[anmlink]

We have the same thing in Fiesta, too. An individual or small group euns around pulling nearly every mob in the area to themselves then cried KS! if someone takes one... fromwhat I understand, it is only genuinely KSing if someone attacks the monsters that you are currently attacking, not what's currently attacking you. So if you pull 5 mobs onto you, that leaves 4 as fair game to others if they wish unless you can attack all 5 simutaneously.

As for your example it sounds like he was greedy... but remember, these are the players that seem to ask for heals and buffs the most, too. ^^


sooo true

Hey!.. i can attack 5 mobs at one... might take me longer though with just using multi shot ;)

I'm catching up to you Serric.. level 39 now:p

[Zeltar]

one way to see if they are collecting for AOE or running for their life is how much the mobs are hitting them. if there are being chased by a dozen mobs that are hitting 50 etc then they might need help. but if the mobs are doing 2dmg then they are collecting for AOE and don't need any assistance.

[dreaming-rose]

I can honestly say that you are most definitely not being overly sensitive. I've been in the exact same situation as that player, and whenever someone did give me a hand i would always thank them and try to repay them back by either healing or buffing them.

As for people i've found in sticky situations such as being attacked by more than 1 or 2 monsters, i usually stand near them and heal them everytime their hp goes down.

i sometimes will try helping by taking on a monster myself, or healing them only and letting them finish off the mobs, because i don't want them to get the wrong idea and think i was trying to steal their kill. ^^

it depends on the person's point of view. Most of us understand and view it as a kindness by another player.

while others have a smaller mind and choose to think of it as a stealing their goods.

you'll always find those 2 differences among players....

[dylanangel]

I'm guessing the issue was not the fact he didn't need help but he was a jerk about it. Unfortunately you will run across those that are rude as heck. Try to brush it off your shoulders and listen to the advice of catry... he was moaning and groaning in a stupid area to be complaining

[Tomkatt]

Well, I'm glad to know I'm not in the wrong here and I'm not the only one to have experienced this at least. I appreciate all the positive responses.

You're all right about one thing, I probably shouldn't have let it bother me so much. For some reason it just made me grit my teeth and want to chew into something.

[anmlink]

Well, I'm glad to know I'm not in the wrong here and I'm not the only one to have experienced this at least. I appreciate all the positive responses.

You're all right about one thing, I probably shouldn't have let it bother me so much. For some reason it just made me grit my teeth and want to chew into something.


It's quite understandable

It is only human nature to want to defend yourself if you feel you have been wrongly accused and it is quite hard to train yourself not to retaliate on anothers response that its aimed at being offensive

[catry]

Well, I'm glad to know I'm not in the wrong here and I'm not the only one to have experienced this at least. I appreciate all the positive responses.

You're all right about one thing, I probably shouldn't have let it bother me so much. For some reason it just made me grit my teeth and want to chew into something.

Lol the first time the lair came out on Valentine's Day I had the same experience and it really ticked me off...now that I'm the one doing the mobbing though it makes more sense why both sides could get ticked off really easily about KS'ing down there. I think Fireslinger put it best in his reply to my (really angry >> ) post when I was accused of KS'ing...



secondly... could we keep this from becoming anything more than what it is? I have been KS-ed MULTIPLE times in the Cupid Dungeon... and I'm sure I have KS-ed someone by accident as well... but to be honest, this Cupid Dungeon is all in good fun!

Lets just enjoy it! Sometimes we need to just put our differences aside and enjoy what we are given!

Love and Peace!! *cheers*

[Daft_Brat]

ok so, for discussion sake I'm going to kinda defend the guy in the bear suit, just so that maybe you can kind of see his side. (someone should really since he isn't here to do it himself)

first off, yes ksing sucks and it's a part of the game, both the intentional and unintentional versions.

second, as to the inspection thing. I for one had mine on after that patch that switched peoples on and off and was immediately bombarded by people wanting to know if they could buy my gear, where I had gotten it, etc. It's annoying.

keep in mind I agree with original poster for the most part. >.>

thirdly, he really wasn't that rude. Step into the dungeon as an aco or xen and you'll notice immediately that everyone seems to think that you need help and can't finish killing your own mobs. Now, stay there for maybe a half hour and see how charitable your replies are to people who are trying to 'help' you constantly. >.>;; It's an interesting experiment on patience, believe me mine didn't last long.

He was probably wearing the bearsuit that increases exp by 5%. Space is limited in the lair but with the exp being so bad for the upper levels (obviously not their fault) the lair is a perfect opportunity to do some major aoeing without worrying about losing that painstakingly gained exp with one kill.


ok well.....don't kill me. D: I was just trying to throw the opposite point of view in there...kinda. @_@

[Muchiko]

I agree both with the topic starter and Dafty. The lair it's actually a test of patience, tons of people ks "trying" to help. I must say I'm only bothered if they actually hit the same mob as me, but heh =\. Lots of people die near me getting me mobbed T-T and I really love when someone helps me on those times, even though I can probably handle them but my mp does down really really fast. And when someone helps me I usually buff and heal them as a thank you^^;

[RunicMourning]

I had the same type of experience in the lair. I got my revenge though. Shortly after the guy yelled at me, he asked me for help. I replied that they were his and I continued resting. He ran away and I assume he died.

When I accidentally attack something at the same time as someone else I back off and let them have it. And I apologize. I even feel bad sometimes when I see a mob and attack if before I realize someone else is attacking. Most times I don't kill it, but even if I get 1 hit I apologize.

I enjoy helping people that run into problems. But if someone is going to be rude to me about trying to help, I won't help at all when they ask for it. It's a little unfair, but they wont get my help by being rude.

[Khrim]

The second guy you mentioned was a downright jerk.

If people take one of my monsters I ask them not to and they tend to listen. The rudest response they will EVER get is "-.-" unless they do it more then once.

[Tomkatt]

crap, I've seen that "-.-" before...does that mean I've KSed on you? (sorry, if so :()

[tekineteeks]

MAN I CANT KS WHYYYYYY (looks at mirror)