Abbreviatitis ruins this game

[Fhqwghads]

(This post is a rant. If you do not like rants, do not read this. Move on to some topic about fluffy bunnies, rainbows, and pink clouds.)

There's a serious epidemic of morons in this game. People who apparently are nine year olds straight from AOL. Yeah, I'm talking about those who type like this:

"Wut r u doing?! ne1 goin 2 hlp me plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You know what this says to me? It says that person is an idiot who can't spell out simple words, and likes to take on the appearance of someone who was dropped on their head repeatedly, and possibly kicked down a flight of stairs. I know that the majority of the people reading this and who type like that won't change, but I just wanted to point out that those who do look impossibly stupid, and are ruining the game. How does that ruin the game? It drags the intelligence level of the game down. It makes anyone who is new to the game and has the IQ above a cup of dirt immediately turned off to see "hay can u c if ur 1 guy can pl me" and 40 lines of text similar to that scrolling across the screen.

Yeah, I'm just ranting, but I'd rather vent on the forums about this than lash out in-game. With so many people typing like morons, it seemed necessary even if for my own satisfaction, to point out that those who type like that make me think they're some backwoods uneducated inbred idiot. Feel free to flame away, I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will defend their stupidity and freedom to type like morons.

Oh, another thing, this is to anyone who thinks spamming is a great way to either get help, or buy/sell an item. It's not. (This excludes gold seller spam, I'm talking about actual players who spam.) As a matter of fact, it does the exact opposite of what the goal is, because instead it results in getting blocked by me, and I would imagine many, many other people. Keep in mind that when you get blocked, that character's text will never be seen again by those who blocked it. That means anytime that person needs help, or is in trouble because they're fighting too many mobs and get even more adds, or has a question, wants to get a KQ going, etc., their text simply will not exist for people who blocked them. Think twice before spamming the hell out of the chat screen, because it could be the last thing people ever see.

(Edited for a more politically correct thread title)

[Angelxx]

You forgot to mention the ones who spam:

Buff me plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!

That so makes me so want to log in my cleric just to buff them. :rolleyes:

[KatanasDream]

and the lack of curtesy for a buff or revive.

just spam for buffs
buff plz
buff plz
buff plz

revive

rez plez
rez plez
rez plez
rez plez

its kinda dumb when clerics should be respected and a simple 'may i please have a buff?' will go a long way. and when u die, u really have no excuse not to be able to type a full sentence 'may i please have a revive at I/G/D4/3/7' ect ect

[Raku]

I had some noob yesterday spamming me saying "can u give me a pet? pls" over and over in pms until I blocked her XD

[Angelxx]

LOL doesn't beat the one who said "Plzzzzzzzzzz gimme pet....I NEED A PET!!!! I'm crying nowwwwwwwwwwwwww."

Yeah...right. :cool:

[Jhanniss]

1) This happened a while back but... story #1

Me: <fighting multiple harkens>

Newbie: <wanders up and asks> Buff plz?

Me: <watches a low level newbie die next to her while engaging in 3 harkens>

Newb: Rev

Me: <continues fighting harkens>

Newb: Rev pls?

Me: <sighs, shakes head, revives mid-combat, and focuses back on harkens>

Newb: Can I get a buff?

<newb dies again from nearby harken>

Me: <now fighting 4 harkens instead of 3>

Newb: can I get a res?

Me: <sighs and does another mid-combat revive>

<newb stands there, aggros yet again and dies>

Newb: omfg***pancakehaxxx0rxz!@333@2r3123!

Me: <finishes off a few of the harkens and still engaging in the remaining original 3>

Newb: rev pls!!!!!

Me: No.

Newb: Why?

Me: Sit and think about it back in town.

Newb: #@$#878374 you! rude *&&&&0&3**!!!!

Me: Yah, yah. Hurry up and log before your parents catch you on their computer.

================

2) And story #2

Me: <foraging goodie drops from GM event, getting pets, stones, scrolls, etc>

Newb: Can someone give me anything?

Me: <continuing to get goodies>

Newb: Anyone give me something? I couldn't get anything.

Me: <sighs, decides to show some kindness since she got multiple goodness>

Me: Here.. <gives slime pet>

Newb: <accepts>

10 seconds later...

Newb: Can anyone give me something?

Me: <controlling fist of death> >:3

[smitske]

I had a pet from someone that way, found 3 and held a quiz i won ^^
and gave the pet to a kid who didnt have any(I have one for all my chars so didnt really need)

But ye those peple always asking while we are in the middle of a fight is annoying, cant you see we are busy?

[Fhqwghads]

Thank god I'm not alone in being exposed to people who are like a cheese grater to the spine. Keep up the stories, these amuse me for some sick reason. :D

[smitske]

Well i don,t mind questions like that, just the annoying buff me pl0x

[Draco_Zandros]

It's not a matter of them been able to see, they just don't care. Their mentality is all "me me me", I'm noticing fewer and fewer people will do a random act of kindness these days.

Here's an example, I drive a van for work, if somebody wants to pull out and it doesn't interfere with my journey (basically if I don't have to stop to do it or I have to stop anyway) I let them. What happens when I want to pull out? You guessed it, I'm stuck there for ages, only ones who let me out often are bus drivers and truckers (who I usually let out even when it does force me to stop).

Same thing basically applies with mobs in game, I'll let newly arrived people get a few but if I newly arrive in an area I usually have to be fast to get anything.

(You'll most likely hear me say this often..) Society is going down hill, they is no doubt about it.

[smitske]

Humans are worse then pigs.

[yourmojo]

Young people play this game, it's a fact. I don't think it's fair to judge people on their typing ability. Everybody does it. Heck, if you've ever sent a text message on a cell phone you've probably done it. However, I do agree with the attitude of some players.

KSers, scammers, penya spammers, hackers, botters, and people who seem to think they own the server. They all ruin the game. Not people who don't type in full sentence form.

If someone is typing like "buff plz" over and over again you can just block them. End of that story, problem solved. It shouldn't be an issue if it can be delt with by simply clicking twice. If something that minute is ruining the game for you, then O_O

I think the only thing that really agrivates me is the people who have no care for others in the game. They only care about themselves and how flashy their weapons look. They will scam, hack, and take advantage of others just to get more flashy stuff. Then they brag about how high leveled they are. But I always take comfort in knowing that they must be compensating for their pathetic, insignificant life.

[Fhqwghads]

Just an FYI, I never type like that, even if I text message. And I think it's 100% fair to judge people on how they type. If they choose to use language and lame abbreviations to communicate, then that is the only thing I can judge them on. It's a text interface. The way someone types directly correlates to how they're perceived. They could hold a PhD in particle physics and I'd never in a million years guess they did if they type like this: "c u 2 l8er lololzzzolz!!1!!1" It really doesn't take effort to type like a competent human being instead of someone who was hit in the head with a crowbar. However, trying to translate that horrible AOL-speak into English is laborious and time consuming, and I just block the person rather than deal with it. I'm fine with admitting I'm intolerant when it comes to this, btw.

[Atmor]

(This post is a rant. If you do not like rants, do not read this. Move on to some topic about fluffy bunnies, rainbows, and pink clouds.)

There's a serious epidemic of morons in this game. People who apparently are nine year olds straight from AOL. Yeah, I'm talking about those who type like this:

"Wut r u doing?! ne1 goin 2 hlp me plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You know what this says to me? It says that person is an idiot who can't spell out simple words, and likes to take on the appearance of someone who was dropped on their head repeatedly, and possibly kicked down a flight of stairs. I know that the majority of the people reading this and who type like that won't change, but I just wanted to point out that those who do look impossibly stupid, and are ruining the game. How does that ruin the game? It drags the intelligence level of the game down. It makes anyone who is new to the game and has the IQ above a cup of dirt immediately turned off to see "hay can u c if ur 1 guy can pl me" and 40 lines of text similar to that scrolling across the screen.

Yeah, I'm just ranting, but I'd rather vent on the forums about this than lash out in-game. With so many people typing like morons, it seemed necessary even if for my own satisfaction, to point out that those who type like that make me think they're some backwoods uneducated inbred idiot. Feel free to flame away, I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will defend their stupidity and freedom to type like morons.

Oh, another thing, this is to anyone who thinks spamming is a great way to either get help, or buy/sell an item. It's not. (This excludes gold seller spam, I'm talking about actual players who spam.) As a matter of fact, it does the exact opposite of what the goal is, because instead it results in getting blocked by me, and I would imagine many, many other people. Keep in mind that when you get blocked, that character's text will never be seen again by those who blocked it. That means anytime that person needs help, or is in trouble because they're fighting too many mobs and get even more adds, or has a question, wants to get a KQ going, etc., their text simply will not exist for people who blocked them. Think twice before spamming the hell out of the chat screen, because it could be the last thing people ever see.

Flameflameflameflameflame just kidding XD Alright my view on this is, it is not a terrible crime to humanity to use abbreviations/acronyms sometimes, but the examples used by the OP is just over the top, and those people should be banned from the internet. Personally I say proly instead of probably, plz instead of plz except when asking clerics for a buff cause I know the pain of the cleric as well XD), ummmm...what else do I abbreviate...dunno, but I use some, but I don't leet speak, I don't get annoying about it, I get annoyed by it. I have a HUGE problem with people not doing "their job" in KQs and such, but I won't go into that here...

[RikoRain]

(This post is a rant. If you do not like rants, do not read this. Move on to some topic about fluffy bunnies, rainbows, and pink clouds.)

There's a serious epidemic of morons in this game. People who apparently are nine year olds straight from AOL. Yeah, I'm talking about those who type like this:

"Wut r u doing?! ne1 goin 2 hlp me plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You know what this says to me? It says that person is an idiot who can't spell out simple words, and likes to take on the appearance of someone who was dropped on their head repeatedly, and possibly kicked down a flight of stairs. I know that the majority of the people reading this and who type like that won't change, but I just wanted to point out that those who do look impossibly stupid, and are ruining the game. How does that ruin the game? It drags the intelligence level of the game down. It makes anyone who is new to the game and has the IQ above a cup of dirt immediately turned off to see "hay can u c if ur 1 guy can pl me" and 40 lines of text similar to that scrolling across the screen.

Yeah, I'm just ranting, but I'd rather vent on the forums about this than lash out in-game. With so many people typing like morons, it seemed necessary even if for my own satisfaction, to point out that those who type like that make me think they're some backwoods uneducated inbred idiot. Feel free to flame away, I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will defend their stupidity and freedom to type like morons.

Oh, another thing, this is to anyone who thinks spamming is a great way to either get help, or buy/sell an item. It's not. (This excludes gold seller spam, I'm talking about actual players who spam.) As a matter of fact, it does the exact opposite of what the goal is, because instead it results in getting blocked by me, and I would imagine many, many other people. Keep in mind that when you get blocked, that character's text will never be seen again by those who blocked it. That means anytime that person needs help, or is in trouble because they're fighting too many mobs and get even more adds, or has a question, wants to get a KQ going, etc., their text simply will not exist for people who blocked them. Think twice before spamming the hell out of the chat screen, because it could be the last thing people ever see.

*claps, hollars, hoots, and flails in approval*

Completely right.

You also forgot the noobs (by noob i mean leecher/annoying/beggar) who go into a high level area, say "PT PLZ" and spam you with party invites.

I hate that. It just makes me turn of party invites.

And then, this is always fun: when they DIE. They sit there "rez plz", "rez", "stop, come back", and "stop come here" - of course in their own misspellings of each word. Then of course, they WHISPER you. I had one guy.. man.. he began whispering me "rez plz".. "stop" "come back" "turn around" "STOP" "REZ ME NOW".

Oh yes. That really makes me want to revive them. Oh yes, oh so much, "It would be my pleasure MASTER to revive you!". Yes, I enjoy it so much *obvious sarcasm*

[Lythari]

People spam me for parties. Ladies and Gents, if I say 'No' the first five times, simple logic should tell you what I will say to the next fifteen.

[shinataku02]

I came to Fiesta after playing a much worse game for two years, and the community there is 100% worse. I was thinking how nice it was that people in Fiesta usually type full words out... ^^; I've seen a few people that don't, though, but since I'm used to a lot more, I don't notice them as much.

Maybe it's unfair of me, but I label anyone who types like an idiot as an idiot. Even if you just say "u" and type everything else out fine. It makes me think you're nine years old, even if I know you're 20.

When I'm playing a game, I usually don't capitalise things, though, unless I'm just sitting around doing nothing. I guess that makes me a hypocrite. but i stil dun typ lik dis plzzzzzz kthnx roflroflz0rz

[Twenty-Nine_Rooks]

Well I know all these stories. I've had this happen to me much too often. If you want my opinion, click on the link in my sig below........

[yourmojo]

Just an FYI, I never type like that, even if I text message. [...] I'm fine with admitting I'm intolerant when it comes to this, btw.

You just did it there twice =\

[Twenty-Nine_Rooks]

FYI= For your information.

It is probably the most usless shortening of a usless phase ever, so dont feel bad you didn't know.

[Farashimisanoob]

Some people type "lke dis" to talk faster I suppose o.o
But I once in a while go to roumen and just shout "l1k hlp pl0x???ggg11"
Because I get bored 8)

[smitske]

FYI= For your information.

It is probably the most usless shortening of a usless phase ever, so dont feel bad you didn't know.

lolz I deleted the question immediately cause when I was hitsubmit reply I thought for your and then the 3rd follow on his own xP

[Aliana]

One of the things that always made me laugh was, a noob gets killed in CP, but RIGHT next to the gate (or "50 feet" from it) and ask for a revive... Yes let me stop fighting these 3-4 monsters just so I can save you from a whole 1 minute journey! D:

Oh and then when I am in a party in Ancient Elven Woods trying to keep my party alive (as well as myself...) from our aoe mob. Someone near us dies and demands a revive and when I don't give it right away because I literally can't, calls me a stupid girl...Yes that also really makes me want to help you as much as possible... I don't care if you're level 79, if you act like that then you are still a noob. >_>

But yes, I do agree that most of the spelling irritates me (I abbreviate some stuff if I am trying to type quickly, but not to the extent of how most spammers do). What really grinds my gears (hehe been waiting to use that phrase xD) is the rudeness and lack of respect whether it is deserved or not.

I do understand a good percent of players are under the age of 16. But wow, I would be embarrassed to treat people the way a lot of players do in this game (this goes for how people are in real life too >_<). And I never was such a disrespectful person when I was that age too. For some strange reason though people just don't seem to understand and/or care. Also with the way most people are educated (it plainly shows in some cases when I have people talking to me or demanding things) these days really makes me nervous for the future of our country/countries.... -_-

Anyways kudos to you for being able to explain a huge frustration to many players! I do love this game although so I will continue to do my part in blocking the annoying botters/scammers/spammers ect ect...and do my best in maybe showing people what "real" maturity and good human nature is....

[Kaiza]

Story of Elfenlied

ME: Money plsssss
ME: Money plsssss
ME: Money plsssss
ME: Money plsssss
ME: Money plsssss

Joke :P

[Fhqwghads]

You just did it there twice =\

Hi, welcome to English 101, where abbreviations that you can find in a dictionary are 100% acceptable. There's a world of difference between "FYI" (for your information) and "ur" (your/you're). See how FYI actually saves a ton of time, and in stark contrast "ur" doesn't, and as a matter of fact serves to make the person typing "ur" look like an imbecile? I've been down this road with other people who thought they were being cute, and you won't win. Unless you think spelling out deoxyribonucleic acid, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, and a whole slew of other perfectly acceptable acronyms and abbreviations that are a part of the English language is the only way to go, anyway.

[yourmojo]

As far as I'm concerned you're the one being 'cute'.

I've been down this road with other people who thought they were being cute, and you won't win.Why start a thread about it you aren't willing to comprimise? Otherwise you're just whining, which is exactly what some people are complaining about on this thread.

[ArcanusShadow]

Hi, welcome to English 101, where abbreviations that you can find in a dictionary are 100% acceptable. There's a world of difference between "FYI" (for your information) and "ur" (your/you're). See how FYI actually saves a ton of time, and in stark contrast "ur" doesn't, and as a matter of fact serves to make the person typing "ur" look like an imbecile? I've been down this road with other people who thought they were being cute, and you won't win. Unless you think spelling out deoxyribonucleic acid, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, and a whole slew of other perfectly acceptable acronyms and abbreviations that are a part of the English language is incorrect, anyway.

FYI i can accept as u can find it in a dictionary, but BTW? i sincerely doubt that word is part of the dictionary. I mean FYI is used in everyday speaking language so thats acceptable but btw isnt, therefore u are using abbreviations not found in dictionary. i personally dont see whats so bad about SOME abbreviations, u for you, or ur for your its so common that everyone i know that IM or chats online uses it. I use as many abbreviations as there are common, u,plz/pls,brb,gtg,bbl,brt,pt,sry,ty/tyvm etc. when chatting i only use u since instant message/online chatting is all about speed and simplicity, why waste more time typing out the yo when EVERYONE knows that u means the exact same thing. Heck, some of my TA/Prof are fine with people sending emails using u instead of you, its something that is so common that using it as an example just make u sound as if u are digging for excuses to rant on. judge people not based on how they type individual words but on how they word their sentence. A rude/unreasonable response/request even in perfect standard english like "revive me now"/'revive me" is much worse than say, "can u rez me plz?" i mean seriously, who here would rather see someone say can u rez me plz instead of revive me now, no matter what circumstances i prefer the abbreviated line than the plain rudeness from revive me

[Atmor]

i personally dont see whats so bad about SOME abbreviations, u for you, or ur for your its so common that everyone i know that IM or chats online uses it.

That doesn't make it right.

[Fhqwghads]

FYI i can accept as u can find it in a dictionary, but BTW? i sincerely doubt that word is part of the dictionary. I mean FYI is used in everyday speaking language so thats acceptable but btw isnt, therefore u are using abbreviations not found in dictionary. i personally dont see whats so bad about SOME abbreviations, u for you, or ur for your its so common that everyone i know that IM or chats online uses it. I use as many abbreviations as there are common, u,plz/pls,brb,gtg,bbl,brt,pt,sry,ty/tyvm etc. when chatting i only use u since instant message/online chatting is all about speed and simplicity, why waste more time typing out the yo when EVERYONE knows that u means the exact same thing. Heck, some of my TA/Prof are fine with people sending emails using u instead of you, its something that is so common that using it as an example just make u sound as if u are digging for excuses to rant on. judge people not based on how they type individual words but on how they word their sentence. A rude/unreasonable response/request even in perfect standard english like "revive me now"/'revive me" is much worse than say, "can u rez me plz?" i mean seriously, who here would rather see someone say can u rez me plz instead of revive me now, no matter what circumstances i prefer the abbreviated line than the plain rudeness from revive me

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/btw

Next...

[Fhqwghads]

As far as I'm concerned you're the one being 'cute'.
Why start a thread about it you aren't willing to comprimise? Otherwise you're just whining, which is exactly what some people are complaining about on this thread.
Note the disclaimer at the top of the thread. It says it's a rant. This wasn't meant to be a thread to discuss the virtues of typing like someone straight of the University of AOL. I was sick of seeing it in game, and vented here. I don't owe you any compromises, so don't expect any from me.

[Cellbuster]

I agree however this it's not like we can ban them...can we? I could care less if they have grammar issues and you can see they are atleast trying not to look like they're five years old. What really bugs me is they feel it's cool to be behave like a neanderthal. I guess we could discourage stupidity to a point where they want to quit? Sounds pretty cold? Maybe Not.

[yourmojo]

Well, I'll leave you to troll the forums then. You must not have many friends if you can't accept the fact that people use abreviations. This thread is reported anyway because of you calling people inbred idiots.

Have a nice day.

[Poisoned77]

You know what I do when people who aren't as experienced with the game get on my nerves with spamming, KSing, whining, cussing, etc. I ignore them...or report them.

Let's not call them stupid. They may be a little lacking in Internet and gaming etiquette, but that doesn't mean they're IQ may actually be any lower than yours.

[Fhqwghads]

Well, I'll leave you to troll the forums then. You must not have many friends if you can't accept the fact that people use abreviations. This thread is reported anyway because of you calling people inbred idiots.

Have a nice day.
Right, because when you don't get your way you need to go tattle on someone like a child. If I were to call you an inbred idiot that might be pushing it, but I didn't. Nice of you to take it so personal. Also, ranting does not equate trolling. Try to learn the difference between the two.

[ArcanusShadow]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/btw

Next...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/u

NEXT the word U has the same definition on the dictionary.com as you. just make sure u scroll down abit on the definition list

[Poisoned77]

3. troll
623 up, 70 down


1a. Noun
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.


From the Urban Dictionary. I and others on this forum regard your thread as quite provocative and now you are just flaming anyone who doesn't share your opinion.

[Fhqwghads]

From the Urban Dictionary. I and others on this forum regard your thread as quite provocative and now you are just flaming anyone who doesn't share your opinion.
People can cite their opinion as the day is long, they're more than entitled to it. I vehemently disagree with their opinion, which is perfectly acceptable. Note that the definition of "troll" which you posted also explicitly states that a troll is intending to be disruptive. That's not my intent at all.

[Poisoned77]

You made a generality about people being "stupid" and "inbred idiots".

That's not being disruptive?

[Fhqwghads]

You made a generality about people being "stupid" and "inbred idiots".

That's not being disruptive?

I said that's what I think of them when they type like that. I hardly call that disruptive. If I was cussing my head off and making e-threats and pointing the finger specifically at people then sure, I'd be way out of line. However, that's not what I did at all.

Here's a thought, if you don't like the thread, then stay out of it. Problem solved. I fail to understand why people who dislike a conversation will keep coming back to participate in it. You're arguing about something that's not even on topic. If you want to label something disruptive, then we can go ahead and slap that on what you're doing right now.

[Poisoned77]

I am not the one calling people "stupid" and "inbred idiots". Iam not the one who has to whine on a forum about "stupid people" because I can't just ignore them and move on. I am not the one attacking other people's opinions just because they have them. I am just trying to help you not get banned and trying to make these forums a better community for all

CL's please close this thread, it is unnecessary.

Because you are new here I will show you some of our rules


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[Fhqwghads]

I am not the one calling people "stupid" and "inbred idiots". Iam not the one who has to whine on a forum about "stupid people" because I can't just ignore them and move on. I am not the one attacking other people's opinions just because they have them. I am just trying to help you not get banned and trying to make these forums a better community for all

CL's please close this thread, it is unnecessary.

Whoa slow down there, cowboy. Where do you see me attacking anyone, except the generic masses of fools who can't spell out simple words? Go ahead and get a quote of me attacking a poster in this thread. Take your time.

[lenore_lurks]

FLAME ON!! XD

Nahh... I feel that I should use txt 'speak' just to aggro. This is cracking me up!

Okay. I understand you have your opinion on this matter, but you have created a thread on a public forum with hundreds of visitors everyday, and we do not all share your opinion. Therfore, others should be more than entitled to share their opinions on this subject, and instead of making multiple threads, I guess this is the perfect one to post in because it IS a forum, meaning people come here to discuss and essentially debate issues that are of importance to them. Just as you have done with the creation of this thread. :)

NOW... I realise what you are saying, and I have no doubt that many people agree with you on this issue. I think clerics get essentially harassed alot in this game with the whole 'buff pls' thing, but every character gets hits with the 'give me money' and 'pt plzzzzzzzz' thing. It is irritating, but it is just the way this world is. THAT is what you must accept, and then think 'okay, if I do not appreciate that 'langauge' then i have the choice to block or walk away'. It is as simple as that. But you must accept that txt talk is a way of life, we are all guiltly of it, and it is here to stay. It has transferred into every form of meadia available today, and we cannot simply ignore it's existance.

You have the choice to use txt talk or not. But bagging others out for using it is unfair. You understand what txt talkers are saying, correct? If they are harassing you, then by all means block them. I know I do! However you cannot say that all people who use it as their main form of communication are silly little kiddies who should know better. That's not necessarily the case. I'm in my early 20's in my second year of a teaching degree, and I would be more than happy to discuss the implications of all of this with you, as I will soon be teaching all those txt talk obsessed little kiddies. I have no issues with that form of writing; I accept it as part of our modern, everyday world. I use it too. Not to excess, but I do use it.

You can block those who use it, but you can't deny them their right to it. It is here to stay, so unless they abuse the chat-system, then you better accept it as the 'youth of today's' main form of writing communication, because it will just continue to cause you more headaches otherwise! :D

[Poisoned77]

Right, because when you don't get your way you need to go tattle on someone like a child. If I were to call you an inbred idiot that might be pushing it, but I didn't. Nice of you to take it so personal. Also, ranting does not equate trolling. Try to learn the difference between the two.

You called him a tattler because he was just following the forum's rules. You suggest he is dumb because he called you on your trolling.


Because you are new here I will show you some of our rules

Quote:
* 2 Always be courteous and respectful to others; refrain from any dialogue or activity which may be considered flaming, trolling, or harassing in any manner. If you feel someone is flaming, trolling or harassing you, please do not respond directly but rather bring it to the attention of a Community Leader or GM via Private Message. We will review and address the issue at hand.

* 3 Please refrain from creating “flame” threads. Although each member is expected and encouraged to share their personal opinions, a certain level of respect must be maintained, both towards your fellow former, and OutSpark and its affiliates. If you disagree with an aspect of the game and wish to discuss it, please do so, but do so civilly and with the understanding that, while some people may share your views, others will not. Each point of view is just as important and valid as the next.
Visit this thread for further reference to future posts and threads.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38674

[Fhqwghads]

You called him a tattler because he was just following the forum's rules. You suggest he is dumb because he called you on your trolling.

Wow, and you call that an attack? I wish I lived in the world you do where this is what is considered "attacking" someone. Seriously, if that's the best you can come up with, then do me a favor and just drop the whole "I'm attacking people posting in this thread" angle, because face it, I'm not. Also, I didn't suggest he was dumb. You're making that assumption, so don't put words in my mouth, so to speak.

[Fhqwghads]

FLAME ON!! XD

Nahh... I feel that I should use txt 'speak' just to aggro. This is cracking me up!

[and lots of other well-written stuff]
I hear what you're saying. I'm pretty aware that this post won't change the world. It was basically a post in frustration over what I've seen on a daily basis, constantly and repeatedly. Rather than snapping in game and exclaiming "What the hell is wrong with you people!" I posted here in lieu of that. :D

I think the moral of the story is, as you said, learn to just deal with it and block people. Which is what I will do. Also, I'll keep a bottle of aspirin close by for all the headaches! Wonder if there's a limit to how many people can be blocked...

[Poisoned77]

Wonder if there's a limit to how many people can be blocked...

No, there isn't. I have blocked hundreds of bot spammers.

[Caution]

I agree with the OP. While people may choose to type whichever way they will, those that type with proper grammar will, 90% of the time, gain more respect from me initially than someone who doesn't.

That isn't to say that those that use chatspeak garner no respect from me though, they just have to prove that they are someone that can hold a conversation and have some sort of intelligent thought. The inverse is also the same. One can be the best typist (typer, typee?) I've ever seen and be as smart as a sack of rocks and act like one too, yet recieve no bonus points in terms of personality.

And also, I assume that a lot of players that type in chatspeak are young and will grow out of it. Being mean and shunning them may give them the impression that all people who type with correct English are douchebagels and ill nvr b like dem dey suk! ... And that actually doesn't prove my point well, does it? Oh my. :(


Anyway, tl;dr: Initially, chatspeak makes me think you're a moron. Prove me wrong and we'll be best friends. <3

[Poisoned77]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/btw

Next...

BTW is not in the Oxford English Dictionary (the accepted authority on the English language, therefore it is not a word.

[rockiecookie]

now im only 10,but i HATE noobs. there like "can i have sum muny plz im so poor and i do not have any muny! then i tell the ******* noob to get lost and then he starts flaming!!!

[Poisoned77]

Don't be rude to others, if you don't want them to be rude to you, just block them. And make sure you don't cuss in-game, it is a bannable offense.

[lenore_lurks]

Anyway, tl;dr: Initially, chatspeak makes me think you're a moron. Prove me wrong and we'll be best friends. <3


Aww... Artist is harsh! I'm not a moron, promise. I just dont think that this game requires me to write like I would in an essay. It's all a bit of fun, so if I chose to abbreviate, then if nothing else it give me a break from writing all those stuffy, multi-referrenced essays every semester!!

I didnt do very well in art theory however... do you still hate me? T.T

[Jandalyn]

With so many people typing like morons, it seemed necessary even if for my own satisfaction, to point out that those who type like that make me think they're some backwoods uneducated inbred idiot.


No where is he calling you any of the things your accusing him of. He says "make me think" which is not calling anyone anything.

He has the right to his opinion just as you have the right to yours. The abreviations don't bother me so much. Its those who say "I nid some help" instead of "I need some help" and "I dun know" instead of "I don't know".

Nid I could not find in the dictionary but dun was and the defination for it is...

dun - to make repeated and insistent demands upon, esp. for the payment of a debt.

[Andrewm]

Aww... Artist is harsh! I'm not a moron, promise. I just dont think that this game requires me to write like I would in an essay. It's all a bit of fun, so if I chose to abbreviate, then if nothing else it give me a break from writing all those stuffy, multi-referrenced essays every semester!!

I didnt do very well in art theory however... do you still hate me? T.T

I hate 1337 speak, chat-speak and all that, i mean i use stuff like "ur" and "***" sometimes but i dont do stuff like 1337 $934k ru13z, cuz it takes me like 5 minutes to read every freakin sentence ><

[Poisoned77]

is it really that much faster to type three letters instead of four?

[rockiecookie]

can i cuss here all mighty one?

[Poisoned77]

No, you can't, you will be reported.

Ten year-olds shouldn't be using that language anyways.

[lenore_lurks]

I hear what you're saying. I'm pretty aware that this post won't change the world. It was basically a post in frustration over what I've seen on a daily basis, constantly and repeatedly. Rather than snapping in game and exclaiming "What the hell is wrong with you people!" I posted here in lieu of that. :D

I think the moral of the story is, as you said, learn to just deal with it and block people. Which is what I will do. Also, I'll keep a bottle of aspirin close by for all the headaches! Wonder if there's a limit to how many people can be blocked...


Hehe... TRU FAX!! That's my new favourite txt talk...

I guess this thread just got a bit heated, and it's very easy for that to happen with things that are close to peoples hearts, or at the very least tick them off without question! :)

Good that you started this thread though, it's releasing alot of tensions people have with the game. hehe. Oh, can I 'lol'? I use that alot too... never been fond of the lmao or lmfao 'sayings' however.

Try not to over-do it with the asprin :D

[rockiecookie]

i wonder why people dont let us cuss?

[Caution]

Aww... Artist is harsh! I'm not a moron, promise. I just dont think that this game requires me to write like I would in an essay. It's all a bit of fun, so if I chose to abbreviate, then if nothing else it give me a break from writing all those stuffy, multi-referrenced essays every semester!!

I didnt do very well in art theory however... do you still hate me? T.T

You've proven me wrong. <3 We'll be best friends forever? :D


The distinction isn't so much the chatspeak but how the person types. If they say things like 'u suk u wont gimme muny go die', I honestly doubt they'll be the conversational type.

Normal people using chatspeak I'm fine with since it isn't solely how the first sentence is typed, but also what is said that matters. <3 And I tend to like most people anyway. :)

[Poisoned77]

Because these forums are viewed by users of all ages. Many of them very impressionable and not mature enough to be inundated with offensive language. It helps keep the forum and game community enjoyable for all, so that we aren't flaming people left and right.

[Andrewm]

Because its profanity, didnt your momma teach you that?

[rockiecookie]

please dont insult my mom.

[lenore_lurks]

You've proven me wrong. <3 We'll be best friends forever? :D


The distinction isn't so much the chatspeak but how the person types. If they say things like 'u suk u wont gimme muny go die', I honestly doubt they'll be the conversational type.

Normal people using chatspeak I'm fine with since it isn't solely how the first sentence is typed, but also what is said that matters. <3 And I tend to like most people anyway. :)


Hehehe... Oh good!

Yes, I agree that those who always use such language as 'u suk u wont gimme muny go die' probably are not then best to strike up a conversation with. And if that's the kind of thing they hit you with before even a simple 'hi' or 'hello', then I avoid them the best that I can >.<

I guess I use txt talk in a 'cute' way, but not in a sickeningly sweet way that will tick others off. I just feel some things can only be said with a simple <3 or a 'idk' or a 'pssh, w/e'. Especially while in the middle of a fight or something like that. Plus, if guild chat is going faily quick, you have to be able to say things fast or you get those awkward moments, or the conversation has already changed course. >.<

[Caution]

Oh, guild chat. The creator of awkward moments and even awkwarder memories.

I wonder if they'll ever stop calling me artits. :( (Uhm. Censor censor warning?)

[Lythari]

Excessive cursing is the sign of an inferior mind. Do you honestly think it makes you sound cool? It makes you sound uneducated, undisciplined, and ignorant. I'm sorry if that offends you, but people who think they have to curse to get their point across need to re-evaluate their situation.

I have cursed before, hence the inferiority of my mind. :p

And as has been stated before, cursing at your age is not good. If my parents caught me using such laguage (even now), I dare not think of what my punishment would be.

Cursing really isn't socially acceptable unless:

1. You are gangsta. 10 year olds are not, nor is anyone who either rides the bus to school or has their mother give them a ride

2. You are an Ex Marine. See above ^

3. You have Tourette's Syndrome. I don't believe that to be the case here.

4. You are demonically possessed. See above ^

5. You are a sailor. See above ^

Outside of that, cursing is unnecessary

[rockiecookie]

thanks for the advice. ill never cuss again!

[Cha0sTribe]

This is not a flaming thread at all, I believe. This is more a mere frustration of one person about those rude people in general speaking, and I believe most of us had same experience just like him. Its more like sharing his personal thoughts with us (the forum viewers), by using a proper channel @ forum :)

Even a non-flaming thread can become a flaming thread when someone gives a bad/provocative reply to that thread.

[Angelxx]

I think abbreviations are acceptable to a certain point. As far as I know there is no rule in Fiesta that says only full sentences and non-abbreviated words are acceptable. However everyone has their own 'limit', that is their own perception of what is and what isn't acceptable.

In my opinion:

Generally abbreviations that are used widely like BTW, OMG, ***, AFK, BRB, pls are more than acceptable.

Abbreviations like nid, u, u're, bak are acceptable to me personally because it is easily understood.

Some abbreviations I don't understand or find acceptable are plox, pl0x, plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

One abbreviation that makes me confused is 'buts'. Took me awhile to realise the guy saying it was selling 'boots'. I think I was going 'huh?! He's selling his but*s? :p

Just be thankful it hasn't come to twit language so much yet. I come from a game where twit language was rampant:

iiii lurviiiiiieeeee euuuuuuuuuu. :rolleyes:

[ToorimaKun]

You forgot to mention the ones who spam:
Buff me plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
That so makes me so want to log in my cleric just to buff them. :rolleyes:
don't worry KiaKun should be back soon... that will cut done on people asking for buffs... but there are still though people that right after i buff them they still ask for a buff. >.>

LOL doesn't beat the one who said "Plzzzzzzzzzz gimme pet....I NEED A PET!!!! I'm crying nowwwwwwwwwwwwww."
Yeah...right. :cool:
Hmmmm.... i must try this...
i need asian GF! im crying now!..... >.> ....... <.< .......... damn dosen't seem to be working for some reason...


Thank god I'm not alone in being exposed to people who are like a cheese grater to the spine. Keep up the stories, these amuse me for some sick reason. :D
i think the noobies have mad us mentaly unstable... i seem to be amused aswell.

Humans are worse then pigs.
... not asian girls... pluse they are way hotter then pigs too. ^^

I came to Fiesta after playing MapleStory for two years, and the community there is 100% worse. I was thinking how nice it was that people in Fiesta usually type full words out... ^^;
ya... i feel really dumb for admiting this... but i couldn't even get out of the noob area in MapleStory... i spent like 1 HR trying to figer out that game then just gave up.

Some people type "lke dis" to talk faster I suppose o.o
no they think it makes them sound cool. >.>

Story of Elfenlied

ME: Money plsssss
ME: Money plsssss
ME: Money plsssss
ME: Money plsssss
ME: Money plsssss

Joke :P
ELFY!!!!!!!!!!!! <3
he he... i miss Teva... im coming back BTW.
now im going to bug you about thoughs gold lumps again. XD


Oh, guild chat. The creator of awkward moments and even awkwarder memories.

I wonder if they'll ever stop calling me artits. :( (Uhm. Censor censor warning?)
UH?
this sounds like a good story...

I think abbreviations are acceptable to a certain point. As far as I know there is no rule in Fiesta that says only full sentences and non-abbreviated words are acceptable. However everyone has their own 'limit', that is their own perception of what is and what isn't acceptable.

In my opinion:

Generally abbreviations that are used widely like BTW, OMG, ***, AFK, BRB, pls are more than acceptable.

Abbreviations like nid, u, u're, bak are acceptable to me personally because it is easily understood.

Some abbreviations I don't understand or find acceptable are plox, pl0x, plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

One abbreviation that makes me confused is 'buts'. Took me awhile to realise the guy saying it was selling 'boots'. I think I was going 'huh?! He's selling his but*s? :p

Just be thankful it hasn't come to twit language so much yet. I come from a game where twit language was rampant:

iiii lurviiiiiieeeee euuuuuuuuuu. :rolleyes:
ummm... i say plz... but JUST plZ cuse there is no need to drag out the Z sound and when you say pls it sounds like plz.
but were the hell did plox come from???
that dosn't even look like plz....
ill sell my butt to an asian girl. >.<
*sorry i had to make more fun of that buts thing.*

[Angelxx]

LOL okay...........I think we get that you like Asian girls by now. :p

'Plz' I can accept though it does irk me a little. 'Coz' I can also accept although personally I use 'cos'.






Psst!!! I'm Asian. ;) ROFL

[Lemonange]

(This post is a rant. If you do not like rants, do not read this. Move on to some topic about fluffy bunnies, rainbows, and pink clouds.)

There's a serious epidemic of morons in this game. People who apparently are nine year olds straight from AOL. Yeah, I'm talking about those who type like this:

"Wut r u doing?! ne1 goin 2 hlp me plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You know what this says to me? It says that person is an idiot who can't spell out simple words, and likes to take on the appearance of someone who was dropped on their head repeatedly, and possibly kicked down a flight of stairs. I know that the majority of the people reading this and who type like that won't change, but I just wanted to point out that those who do look impossibly stupid, and are ruining the game. How does that ruin the game? It drags the intelligence level of the game down. It makes anyone who is new to the game and has the IQ above a cup of dirt immediately turned off to see "hay can u c if ur 1 guy can pl me" and 40 lines of text similar to that scrolling across the screen.

Yeah, I'm just ranting, but I'd rather vent on the forums about this than lash out in-game. With so many people typing like morons, it seemed necessary even if for my own satisfaction, to point out that those who type like that make me think they're some backwoods uneducated inbred idiot. Feel free to flame away, I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will defend their stupidity and freedom to type like morons.

Oh, another thing, this is to anyone who thinks spamming is a great way to either get help, or buy/sell an item. It's not. (This excludes gold seller spam, I'm talking about actual players who spam.) As a matter of fact, it does the exact opposite of what the goal is, because instead it results in getting blocked by me, and I would imagine many, many other people. Keep in mind that when you get blocked, that character's text will never be seen again by those who blocked it. That means anytime that person needs help, or is in trouble because they're fighting too many mobs and get even more adds, or has a question, wants to get a KQ going, etc., their text simply will not exist for people who blocked them. Think twice before spamming the hell out of the chat screen, because it could be the last thing people ever see.

OMG SOOO EFFING TRUE DUDE seriuosly noobs lvl 1-10 come to CP and ask for a dam party when all they would do is leech the s*** outta me take this for example
Strawberryade: *fighting a harkan for his life since hes lvl 35*
"Noob": Pt me please im about to level
Strawberryade: *still fighting*
"Noob": Please sir?
Strawberryade: *still fighting* NO DAMMIT LEAVE ME ALONE
"Noob": Can i have some money?
Strawberryade: NO DAMMIT *dies*
Strawberryade: SEE WHAT YOU DID I F****** died you @$$Wh0l3
"Noob": lol you died xD hahahahahahhaahaha
Strawberryade: F***er
"Noob": you call me dat again ill report you for harrassment

[Tommy2k7_uk]

its just a shorter way to say words thats all lol it not that there nine years old just better for them to say it like that... well i think yous will understand what i mean kind of ?

[rxyangl]

Hi, welcome to English 101, where abbreviations that you can find in a dictionary are 100% acceptable. There's a world of difference between "FYI" (for your information) and "ur" (your/you're). See how FYI actually saves a ton of time, and in stark contrast "ur" doesn't, and as a matter of fact serves to make the person typing "ur" look like an imbecile? I've been down this road with other people who thought they were being cute, and you won't win. Unless you think spelling out deoxyribonucleic acid, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, and a whole slew of other perfectly acceptable acronyms and abbreviations that are a part of the English language is the only way to go, anyway.

You need to take a serious chill pill dude. -.-''

[Amathyst]

Make something even a fool can use and only a fool will use it :P

[Yodaman]

Don't get me wrong.... I tend to use some abbreviations as well, such as '***' or 'omw'...... but the morons who think 'wot' is a word, really need to go (aparently it means 'what' and 'o' means the same as 'ha'.... don't look at me, I didn't come up with it).

[Angelxx]

Don't get me wrong.... I tend to use some abbreviations as well, such as '***' or 'omw'...... but the morons who think 'wot' is a word, really need to go (aparently it means 'what' and 'o' means the same as 'ha'.... don't look at me, I didn't come up with it).

Well, I understand 'wat' but 'wot' and 'wut' stumps me. LOL

[kalone]

LOLmao! diz de page were ppl h8 pplz 4 beggin? rofl! dum noob cant even hlp sum poor guy.

[Joeman1224]

The thing that bugs me the most is people that play certain classes that don't know their whole role in a KQ. I just started a Fighter and am back in good ol' Slime KQ.. And the Clerics and Mages are wanting to tank... Uhm.. no? The whole point for the clerics, are to heal the tankers. I know this, I can deal with it. And when I try to explain I get this..
"STFU N00b U r t3h Nub. 1337 me 1337"
As he dies and blames me beacuse he thought he would be cool and talk in "1337" mode.. What has happened to kids these days? Do they feel its their need to be a total hinderence on anything they can get their hands ons..
*sigh*

[Angelxx]

KQ Optimization?

Whazzat mean?


What is a 'Whazzat'? It's probly mean if it's growling at you.


"Whats that". I'd think that unless English isn't your native language you'd know what I mean. :S


That's English? I beg to differ. I would think if English was your native language, you would know better. :rolleyes: Pfft!

This is exactly what we mean.

[kalone]

Really, the only way to solve this issue is before a person is allowed to join the game they should be given a BASIC English test. Seriously. If they don't understand basic English communication between everyone would fail and that leads to a bigtime KQ fail or party fail or fail character.

[ArcanusShadow]

Make something even a fool can use and only a fool will use it :P

that would be an completely incorrect statement, lets say for example a vending machine, i am sure that any fool can use it, but i believe probably everyone here used a vending machine before. therefore unless everyone is a fool that statement is completely useless. There are dozen of other example, lets say guns, any fool can pull that trigger and shoot a gun but not everyone who had or will use a gun will be fools. otherwise every single military/police personnel are fools and i dread the day that becomes true XD

making something even a fool can use merely means that thing is simple to the extreme, which usually also relates to it being convenient and less time consuming. personally i think making something even a fool can use would an accomplishment, allowing fools to use the dangerous ones of those accomplishments would be the only thing truly foolish.

[kalone]

This is exactly what we mean.

No. A lot of people use that, maybe he is a bit co*ky in the end but otherwise it's a thing a lot of Aussies use, to add z's in words.

[Angelxx]

Really, the only way to solve this issue is before a person is allowed to join the game they should be given a BASIC English test. Seriously. If they don't understand basic English communication between everyone would fail and that leads to a bigtime KQ fail or party fail or fail character.

The fact is this has nothing to do with their level of English. They know the right words, they just think its 'cool' or 'cute' to do otherwise. :rolleyes:

[kalone]

The fact is this has nothing to do with their level of English. They know the right words, they just think its 'cool' or 'cute' to do otherwise. :rolleyes:

No I don't think that either. Maybe they are too lazy or just used to it. But admittedly, everyone including me, used to type like that before the "internet grammar correction" revolution.

[kalone]

I beg to differ again. Just because it is commonly used by some people does NOT make it English. Aussies may or may not add 'z's to their words alot but I'm sure if they did it would be the verbal form, not the written.

Well restricting one's freedom of speech and one's freedom goes a long way. It's just a "whazzat mean?" He did not write a whole paragraph with that sort of spelling. Plus you can see at the end his spelling is fine.

[Angelxx]

No I don't think that either. Maybe they are too lazy or just used to it. But admittedly, everyone including me, used to type like that before the "internet grammar correction" revolution.

Don't get me wrong I type short forms too as it was the 'norm' in my last game. However when twit speak (see my previous posts) came into the game, that became the norm. That didn't mean I accepted it. I am proud to say I did not at anytime convert to twit speak.

The main point being that the guy 'thinks' it IS English.

[Miazma]

(This post is a rant. If you do not like rants, do not read this. Move on to some topic about fluffy bunnies, rainbows, and pink clouds.)

There's a serious epidemic of morons in this game. People who apparently are nine year olds straight from AOL. Yeah, I'm talking about those who type like this:

"Wut r u doing?! ne1 goin 2 hlp me plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You know what this says to me? It says that person is an idiot who can't spell out simple words, and likes to take on the appearance of someone who was dropped on their head repeatedly, and possibly kicked down a flight of stairs. I know that the majority of the people reading this and who type like that won't change, but I just wanted to point out that those who do look impossibly stupid, and are ruining the game. How does that ruin the game? It drags the intelligence level of the game down. It makes anyone who is new to the game and has the IQ above a cup of dirt immediately turned off to see "hay can u c if ur 1 guy can pl me" and 40 lines of text similar to that scrolling across the screen.

Yeah, I'm just ranting, but I'd rather vent on the forums about this than lash out in-game. With so many people typing like morons, it seemed necessary even if for my own satisfaction, to point out that those who type like that make me think they're some backwoods uneducated inbred idiot. Feel free to flame away, I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will defend their stupidity and freedom to type like morons.

Oh, another thing, this is to anyone who thinks spamming is a great way to either get help, or buy/sell an item. It's not. (This excludes gold seller spam, I'm talking about actual players who spam.) As a matter of fact, it does the exact opposite of what the goal is, because instead it results in getting blocked by me, and I would imagine many, many other people. Keep in mind that when you get blocked, that character's text will never be seen again by those who blocked it. That means anytime that person needs help, or is in trouble because they're fighting too many mobs and get even more adds, or has a question, wants to get a KQ going, etc., their text simply will not exist for people who blocked them. Think twice before spamming the hell out of the chat screen, because it could be the last thing people ever see.

1. Morons and Idiots - I personally consider someone who plays an online game whose member base is worldwide with no age barrier and then expects that irregardless of the fact that English isnt their first language they should speak English to perfection falls in the moron/stupid category.

2. I just wanted to point out that those who do look impossibly stupid, and are ruining the game. - IF your game is ruined because the rest of the world does not conform to your perception of perfection I suggest you go and find a game that states in the TOS *uhoh an abbreviation* just for you I will type it out, Terms Of Service, that members will be banned if they use chatspeak or are unfortunate enough to be under 9 years old.

3. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will defend their stupidity and freedom to type like morons. - Assuming that all players are stupid morons because they choose to take advantage of what is fast becoming a very legitimate language in its own right is highly presumptious of you.

4. make me think they're some backwoods uneducated inbred idiot. - A person who judges and calls others names for not conforming to his definition of educated is seriously lacking in common courtesy.

Abbreviations are used for speed and no it doesnt take much longer to type *see* than *c* BUT in a full sentence of words yes it does add considerable time. I myself having a typing speed of 97wpm rarely use abbreviations but I would never be rude enough to comment on those who are not proficient typists using abbreviations.

In closing I would just like to say that I would much prefer to see people using abbreviations than I would seeing someone being as incredibly rude as you have been with how you have name called in this post.

[kalone]

Don't get me wrong I type short forms too as it was the 'norm' in my last game. However when twit speak (see my previous posts) came into the game, that became the norm. That didn't mean I accepted it. I am proud to say I did not at anytime convert to twit speak.

The main point being that the guy 'thinks' it IS English.

No guy would ever think that it is English. Crazy talk. Unless he spends his life 24/7 on the computer without ever reading a book or newspaper and write with a pen. Only then will he think it is English.

[Aliana]

Excessive cursing is the sign of an inferior mind. Do you honestly think it makes you sound cool? It makes you sound uneducated, undisciplined, and ignorant. I'm sorry if that offends you, but people who think they have to curse to get their point across need to re-evaluate their situation.

I have cursed before, hence the inferiority of my mind. :p

And as has been stated before, cursing at your age is not good. If my parents caught me using such laguage (even now), I dare not think of what my punishment would be.

Cursing really isn't socially acceptable unless:

1. You are gangsta. 10 year olds are not, nor is anyone who either rides the bus to school or has their mother give them a ride

2. You are an Ex Marine. See above ^

3. You have Tourette's Syndrome. I don't believe that to be the case here.

4. You are demonically possessed. See above ^

5. You are a sailor. See above ^

Outside of that, cursing is unnecessary

Haha that whole "demonically possessed" part really had me laughing. xD

[Angelxx]

No guy would ever think that it is English. Crazy talk. Unless he spends his life 24/7 on the computer without ever reading a book or newspaper and write with a pen. Only then will he think it is English.


Phhft, go away prescriptivist. The real English language as spoken by people isn't the same as the arbitrary standard of "Correct" English carved in stone by the LORD and what English teachers and others may think is somehow more proper. That random standard of correctness is rather not a good reflection of what the actual "English" is. If you knew anything about linguistics you would know that, phfft. :D


There is SLANG and there is English. Learn the difference.

I have nothing against slang, only with people who insist that it is English.


There is spoken English and standard written posh type-English, learn the difference. And also learn that they are both part of English.

I have nothing against people that insist on having more polite standardized registers of speech, they do have a time and place. But I do against people that insist that that and only that is actually the language.


4 words for you and that would be the end of my contribution to this 'discussion'.

SLANG IS NOT ENGLISH.

I rest my case.

[ArcanusShadow]

4 words for you and that would be the end of my contribution to this 'discussion'.

SLANG IS NOT ENGLISH.

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/english?view=uk

definition of English, there are many varieties of it in the world, who are you to say certain slang is not part of the AMERICAN english?

and btw the post right above mine from u just proved your 1st statement wrong :p (just wanted to point that out)

[Gruntbuggly]

A rude/unreasonable response/request even in perfect standard english like "revive me now"/'revive me" is much worse than say, "can u rez me plz?" i mean seriously, who here would rather see someone say can u rez me plz instead of revive me now, no matter what circumstances i prefer the abbreviated line than the plain rudeness from revive me

Too true ArcanusShadow.

On another note, languages all around the world are in a constant state of change and frankly there's not much anyone can do about it. Languages change and some people hate it and try and fight it, while other people just go with the flow and accept the changes. The English language is a perfect example of an archaic spelling system which has barely changed their rules of spelling since the printing press was first introduced into England in 1474 (for example the word knight was originally pronounced how it is still written: k n i g h t). Now anyone that wants to learn English has to put up with a myriad of exceptions when they want to learn to spell correctly.

I think it's perfectly understandable to use abbreviations, especially in a technologically textual setting. To say one thing is acceptable because it's in the dictionary has some merit, but it's a fairly mute point, as what gets things added to further editions of new dictionaries? General use and acceptance by the majority of speakers of that language.

That being said it doesn't mean we should throw all convention out the window, just don't be scared of the change.

Love your name btw ;) Fhqwghads -> All hail Strong Bad

[Nerevar158]

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/english?view=uk

definition of English, there are many varieties of it in the world, who are you to say certain slang is not part of the AMERICAN english?

and btw the post right above mine from u just proved your 1st statement wrong :p (just wanted to point that out)

-.- Enough about this englsih/slang whatever talk. This all started with "Whazzat" -.-
Worse argument starter ever....it could have at least been over me.......no one fights over me T.T

[Angelxx]

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/english?view=uk

definition of English, there are many varieties of it in the world, who are you to say certain slang is not part of the AMERICAN english?

and btw the post right above mine from u just proved your 1st statement wrong :p (just wanted to point that out)

English is a language originating from England. Varieties of English are usually culturally influenced. Slang is a derivation of a language used in verbal form. Regardless of the country, English is as it is. American slang is NOT equal to American English. Whatever country we are in.

And please explain your second part. It didn't make sense. :rolleyes:

Oh and by the way, who are you to decide that 'Whazzat' is an acceptable English word? Perhaps you would like to explain to us where we can find the official definition of 'Whazzat' in ANY English dictionary (unofficial dictionaries not acceptable). Otherwise do learn to reply in CONTEXT to the discussion.

Cheers =)

[Gruntbuggly]

Don't get too caught up on the idea that a dictionary makes one word official and another word not. Lexicographers have for a long time deliberately made their own personal decision or judgement (i.e. bias) for one word or way of spelling or another. Dictionaries have also been used and created by tyrannies to outlaw the use of certain words when they want to eliminate words of one origin or another out of a language (for xenophobic reasons as one example).

Finally, if you travel through time and hit pause at any point you will see thousands of examples of the same type of highly educated or regular person speaking what they call correct English eventually stemming back to the point where it's no longer mutually understandable with what you personally today might call 'correct English' (or even to a point at which the English-speaking person in question's grandfather hadn't heard of the idea of 'English' as a language anyway). Slang is a fact and more often than people like to think WILL become part of normal everyday and even educated speech.

[failedninja]

Hm dunno if slang = english is worth arguing about.
Most slang is just a messed up version of existing word.
But Shakespeare played around with words all day and his coinages are now in every single English dictionary.

Anyway don't see anything wrong with internet slang like "how r u, o ic" I don't get offended that the person didn't take the time to type. There was this one guy in Elderine who was like "Can anyone be so kind to give me a buff" I was like "wow this person is so polite" until the person spammed it over and over again in normal and in shout and in my whisper >< words are only part of the story.

[AmrothRumil]

*Sighs* America's Gone Stupid....*Luaghing out Loud* No Offense, but i do somethimes to abrivate and sometimes I don't talk at all.

People begging all the time is very annoying, but than just ignore them, just like the botters *Luaghing out Loud* =D

[Lythari]

Here is the thing: American English is set up to be adaptable. The English we speak now is nothing like the English spoken in the 1700's, 1800's, heck, even so recent as the 1960's and 70's. Saying that something isn't English is...illogical, because English is a flexible language. Would you consider 'peachy' and 'chick flick' official English terms? They were added to Webster's a few years ago. Phrases, terms, and words are coined into the language as they are used, and older terms are discarded. Chatspeak may not be to official MLA or APA standards, but it is how the language has evolved in this particular walk of life; ergo making every bit as much English as the particular style of English I am using right now. Besides, have you ever seen something written in shorthand? That is the same principle here. It may be difficult to read or understand, but who is more ignorant: the person using it for convenience, or the person who doesn't understand it and automatically thinks the users are idiots? With thinking like that, we'll be back in the 1950's in no time. Yes, there are people who use bad english and try to compensate for it with chatspeak only to fail miserably, but that doesn't automatically make them any smarter or dumber (English just may not be their primary language). In fact, you can't measure intelligence: only brain activity and efficiency.

If this were the French language (where all new terms and slangs must pass a language board or committee), your arguments may be valid. However, seeing that America encourages new innovations and ideas, I fail to see why this is such an issue. If it doesn't directly cause you any harm, why get upset by it? It's out of your control and dwelling on it is...well, illogical and inane.

Btw: I use chatspeak IG. Does that make me one of the stupid people who ruin Fiesta? :eek:

[kraehe]

To change the subject away from slang..



You forgot to mention the ones who spam:

Buff me plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!

That so makes me so want to log in my cleric just to buff them. :rolleyes:


It's more like "BOOF ME PLOX".
I mean it. That is what I get every time I enter from Elderine to CP, trying to get past that one area fullfilled with nublets asking for plvl.
Not to mention, they aren't doing anything else than standing around, can't they use a full sentence with proper grammar and words.
(It's the 'plox', what in hail is up with that word >_>; )

[EchoSound]

ahah XD I refuse to buff anyone who can't say the right words. I mean I only go on my cleric if I'm bored and need a change of scene, or want to run around buffing at random... but still. At least say "may I have a buff please"

[Fhqwghads]

Wanted to point out a couple of things here.

First, typing with a severe case of what I labeled "abbreviatitis" (shortening words that have no business being shortened, because they are short to begin with) is not slang. Slang carries the connotation of abusive language, or vocabulary that is a play on words, such as "get the lead out." Substituting "u" for "you", "ne1" for "anyone", etc. is not real slang. Therefore, it wouldn't even be part of English slang.

Secondly, someone who was trying to argue their views on the subject inadvertently reminded me of a reason to NOT use such poor grammar:


I personally consider someone who plays an online game whose member base is worldwide with no age barrier and then expects that irregardless of the fact that English isnt their first language they should speak English to perfection falls in the moron/stupid category.
This game is international. That being said, how can people who speak like they just got off the operating table after receiving a frontal lobotomy possibly expect others whose first language is something other than English to understand the garbage they spew and try to pass off as communication? Trying to comprehend another language is difficult enough, now they're going to compound the difficulty by throwing words out there that only a subset of the population can understand? I have a hard enough time trying to wade through that cesspool of text to figure out what someone is trying to say, and English is my primary language. I feel sorry for people who are honestly trying to get something accomplished in the game, and are met with "u ned 2 go 2 teh NPC where evry1 iz clz 2" when the poory guy can barely understand English. I mean, what the hell is that supposed to mean?

And to address what the person said in their quote: I don't expect people whose primary language is something other than English to create proper sentences. However, how many people who speak a different language do you think will type like this: "r u n ne1 goin 2 rez plox?" If you answered somewhere between zero and none, you would be correct. You don't pick up typing like that when trying to learn a new language. As a matter of fact, when trying to communicate with someone whose language isn't English, you are far better off using the most precise and correct grammar you can, because that is what they are learning on their end.

So yeah, even if people think they are "cool" to type like that, they should at least sympathize with others who are trying to read what's being written, and take into consideration that everyone isn't infected with a raging case of abbreviatitis.

[nikwik]

Abbreviatitis (I love that... can I steal it? ^^) isn't the main problem for me, though I admit it annoys the heck out of me when people get carried away and shorten every other word... that annoys me almost as much as when people can't seem to form 5-word sentence without 3 or more words being curses.

The primary issue (from my view) is ease of communication itself. If it takes me longer (okay, I'll give a half-second of leeway per sentence...heh) to figure out what you're trying to say than it would if you typed out decent (not even proper, just decent!) words, then you are inhibiting my ability to communicate with you. That being the case, your "u plz hlp mi i nid goldz n itamz" might be given more of my attention than another person's "1337 sp33k", but will be ignored in the light of someone who at least takes time to type out "please help, I need money". Neither of you are likely to get anything out of my pocket, since I'm poor and had to work my tail off for all I've got, but I'll at least pay more attention to the people who bother to make it easy for me to read the request.

I use some "txt spk" myself, and won't deny it (playing online games and using text programs will do that to you after 15 or so years of use). I do, however, at least attempt to make myself easily understood... usually by having such acronyms add nothing to the actual meaning of my statements. If I add "lol" to the end of a sentence, most of you will know I mean "laughing out loud"... those who don't, however, don't NEED to know the meaning of "lol" in order to get the meaning out of whatever it is that I find humorous.

Again, for me, it all boils down to whether or not I can communicate with you without giving myself a headache due to deciphering your message. If I want to deal with codes, I'll yank out a puzzle book and have a grand old time... if someone wants to communicate with me, however, I expect the courtesy of that person attempting to be understood clearly. Otherwise, I probably won't even notice your attempt to catch my attention; and if you spam me, you'll get blocked. It's that simple. Spam limits my ability to communicate, and is therefore intentionally placed beyond my ability to notice. *shrug*

My two cents, for what they're worth.
~nik

[gofiguregurl]

*right clicks and presses Block*

*Claps to self*

[Serric]

Hmmm....you all have good points but I am a little concerned about the title of this thread being inflammatory. So far, as far as I can tell, no one has acted inappropriate or inflammatory and I want to thank you all for that. Still... any suggestions on renaming this thread?

Secondly, one thing to keep in mind is the generation divide between many of pour players as well as continental divides. Many of us ”old folk” were around when the Internet was new (BBS boards, etc.) and the abbreviations, text and whatnot plaguing us today never existed. Then came cell phones and TXT SPK. If you think it is rampant here, think what European and Asian kids are texting one another with their lightning-fast thumb arts!! We’re just starting to catch up! @_@

So, whereas many of us can carry a conversation in full sentences, the fact that some don’t isn’t a reflection of their intelligence but rather their generation. We’ve moved from Baby Boomers to Gen X to Gen Why (Y) and who knows what the newest generation is called? With each generation comes a level of evolution in mannerisms, innovation and speech. We, the older generations, must evolve or die out. Can we teach the younger gens to go against their nature? Possibly, but at what cost? In the end, it is we who will most probably adapt to their ways, if even a little to meet somewhere in the middle for communications’ sake.

My point is this: because someone speaks or acts in a way different than ours, even if it tends to annoy or frustrate us, we must remember that it is the differences between us all which make us a functioning community. It is not that they are ignorant or stupid, but merely different. Let’s all try to be a little more tolerant, yes?

Woot! U roxxorz! All get alng plox?

[gofiguregurl]

*proceeds to push block* o.o


;)

[Lucifugum]

dis tred r teh win!!11

Verily.

[Lythari]

Ifay you-ay inkthay atthay isay annoyingay, rytay eadingray igpay atinlay. Hahahahamwa-ay

Highlight for translation: If you think that is annoying, try reading pig latin. Mwahahahaha

[yourmojo]

So far, as far as I can tell, no one has acted inappropriate or inflammatory and I want to thank you all for that.So...We're allowed to call people "backwoods uneducated inbred idiot" now?

Interesting....

[Serric]

So...We're allowed to call people "backwoods uneducated inbred idiot" now?

Interesting....

Okay - must have missed that one... o.0'

Going back to edit... ~sigh~

The rest of you stay put! This will only sting a little...

EDIT: AH...




Yeah, I'm just ranting, but I'd rather vent on the forums about this than lash out in-game. With so many people typing like morons, it seemed necessary even if for my own satisfaction, to point out that those who type like that make me think they're some backwoods uneducated inbred idiot. Feel free to flame away, I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will defend their stupidity and freedom to type like morons.

Urgh - I saw this initially but considered it more of an attempt at humor than an out and out flame...

Short answer: no, it is not okay to call someone names.

[gofiguregurl]

So...We're allowed to call people "backwoods uneducated inbred idiot" now?

Interesting....

*pokes* yay! =D

[Juan0129]

If you dont Think the game isnt as cool as other games let the Vermins Take the stage soon. As it is impossible for humans to do the same...you are an idiot thread-starter u suckz



Its @ PUZZL3

[Serric]

If you dont Think the game isnt as cool as other games let the Vermins Take the stage soon. As it is impossible for humans to do the same...you are an idiot thread-starter u suckz



Its @ PUZZL3

Subtile... not nice, but subtle

[anmlink]

If you dont Think the game isnt as cool as other games let the Vermins Take the stage soon. As it is impossible for humans to do the same...you are an idiot thread-starter u suckz



Its @ PUZZL3



then leave the game idiot?... lol creative




To the creator of this thread...

I stated my opinion on this topic on a different thread already.. IF you wish to see it then lose your ego and find it

[Juan0129]

You think thats cool? Hahaha My emotions are in a way, of no importance to the Extroardinary and perfect essentials I have/am learning in this life. And you guys mustn't let my little secret reach the public eye Okay friend?

[anmlink]

You think thats cool? Hahaha My emotions are in a way, of no importance to the Extroardinary and perfect essentials I have/am learning in this life. And you guys mustn't let my little secret reach the public eye Okay friend?


Very well

nice way of expressing yourself;)

[ToorimaKun]

LOL okay...........I think we get that you like Asian girls by now. :p

'Plz' I can accept though it does irk me a little. 'Coz' I can also accept although personally I use 'cos'.
Psst!!! I'm Asian. ;) ROFL
i ONLY mentind asain girls 2 times in this thread... O.O
3 now...
er... you a girl or guy?? *i ONLY like girls* didn't see that till just now. XD


Make something even a fool can use and only a fool will use it :P
LMFAO!!!
even though i am useing Feista... >.>

that would be an completely incorrect statement, lets say for example a vending machine, i am sure that any fool can use it, but i believe probably everyone here used a vending machine before.

true...


------------
wait... is Juan mentalily stable?

[Serric]

You think thats cool? Hahaha My emotions are in a way, of no importance to the Extroardinary and perfect essentials I have/am learning in this life. And you guys mustn't let my little secret reach the public eye Okay friend?

Okay, that's enough now. Subtle or not, trying to hide or camouflage this kind of inflammatory content will eventually lead to someone reporting the posts to a higher source. And now that I am aware of it, I'll be watching your posts more closely...

[Fhqwghads]

I see that despite the fact he stated he was leaving the thread, and obviously disliked the subject matter, yourmojo is still around reading every reply. People who want to cry about stuff they disagree with and try to control it so other people can't make up their own minds about something is a completely different topic... but yeah, that's another pet peeve of mine. You are 100% capable of skipping this thread if you don't like or agree with what's being said.

Also please note I did not call anyone "a backwoods uneducated inbred idiot." What I did say was that is what I envision in my head when someone types that way. I seriously doubt they are, but I can't help but associate Cleetus the Slack-Jawed Yokel with that kind of horrific grammar.

Anyway, as far as a generation gap, there's been numerous times where new generations have taken up bad habits that nobody should have to deal with, let alone adopt. Typing using txt speak isn't going to hurt anybody, but it is a horrible way to communicate in my opinion, and I would rather not type at all if I was forced into typing in that manner.

The thread's title was probably a little harsh, so I renamed it.

Edit: I guess I wasn't editing the title after all, and only edited the original post's title. Mods feel free to rename the thread's title if you like.

[smitske]

You have no right to accuse people of anything by just looking at how they write,I hate people who always whine cause a guy uses whatever speak, if I cant read I ask nicely if he could be a bit more clear, I dont insult him just for the way he writes I despise this and will protect those whe are getting attacked for it.

[yourmojo]

I see that despite the fact he stated he was leaving the thread, and obviously disliked the subject matter, yourmojo is still around reading every reply.I never said I was leaving this topic. I simply stated that I was leaving you to troll the forums, meaning that I was done arguing with you. And no, this isn't an argument, it's simply defending myself against yet another attempt at trolling.

[Ju1cy]

This is for all the mispelled haters in the world :P

The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.

The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt

[Fhqwghads]

You have no right to accuse people of anything by just looking at how they write
Considering that the game's method of communication is text, I feel I'm obliged to call it how I see it. If someone types in a manner that leads me to believe they're dimwitted, then that's what I will think of them, because that's how they choose to be perceived when they type like that as far as I'm concerned. Feel free to don your superhero costume and defend their right to type like they're in 3rd grade all you want, it won't change what I think of people who decide to type in that manner.

[Kuydo]

Everyone has a right to express themselves in any form of writing they chose. Who are we to judge how a person types? Yes, there are those who deliberately refuse to type out their sentences in the "Proper" manner. But there are also those who cannot type out whole sentence, who are younger and inexperienced, and some who don't come from the location Outspark is based in. Should we just shun them and call them lazy idiots? I myself would think not. With times as they stand currently abbreviations, shortening of words, and other things are becoming common place. Many find them much easier to type out then having to write up whole sentences constantly while they are trying to enjoy the game itself. Yes, the over use of "Plz, u, and ty" can seem bothersome at times but should it really stop us from just playing and enjoying the game?

And to Ju1cy, that's an intersting bit of information you posted. :3

[Serric]

Let us keep to the topic at hand and not let this fall into the flames, please.

Thread title edited.

[Ju1cy]

dcedies to saty in the mxied up vcioe,

tnakhs a bcnuh I had fun lkooning it up, its azanimg waht the hmuan mnid is cpalbe of :P

[Ju1cy]

Oh my god serric you spelled abbreviations wrong! Mwuahahaha

[anmlink]

dcedies to saty in the mxied up vcioe,

tnakhs a bcnuh I had fun lkooning it up, its azanimg waht the hmuan mnid is cpalbe of :P


lol some of the words have letters missing or have too many letters

but you are correct..

[Lordlymight]

I hear what you're saying. I'm pretty aware that this post won't change the world. It was basically a post in frustration over what I've seen on a daily basis, constantly and repeatedly. Rather than snapping in game and exclaiming "What the hell is wrong with you people!" I posted here in lieu of that. :D

I think the moral of the story is, as you said, learn to just deal with it and block people. Which is what I will do. Also, I'll keep a bottle of aspirin close by for all the headaches! Wonder if there's a limit to how many people can be blocked...

While reading this thread, I have to say that I agree in part or in whole on a number of the points presented. I also noticed some aggression both by the original poster and those that do not agree with him. I have a couple of points I would like to share based on the observations I have made.

The first, the original poster made it clear from the outset that this was a post made in rant format and in frustration for a concept for which he has little control. I have the utmost respect for the fact that he chose to make his grievance known. And as we have seen, there have been many that share his opinion. It is my opinion that a game forum is designed for that very purpose. For those of Like mind to converse with each other.

That said, forums are also designed around debate. The opportunity for those of unlike mind to put forth their own opinions in contrast to the original opinion. No harm in that until things boil out of control.

The first mistake in any debate is the assumption that you can change another person's point of view. While it is possible, most times, someone who feels strongly enough about a subject to post has their mind made up.

The second mistake is to allow debates to digress into poorly exchanged aggressive rants. I made it a point to quote above what a good debate can succeed in doing.

I'm glad to see that there are still those that understand that...

[Lordlymight]

Really, the only way to solve this issue is before a person is allowed to join the game they should be given a BASIC English test. Seriously. If they don't understand basic English communication between everyone would fail and that leads to a bigtime KQ fail or party fail or fail character.

I have to disagree with this whole heartedly. This game is played by dozens of non-English speakers.

[Serric]

Oh my god serric you spelled abbreviations wrong! Mwuahahaha


? I think not...where?


Really, the only way to solve this issue is before a person is allowed to join the game they should be given a BASIC English test. Seriously. If they don't understand basic English communication between everyone would fail and that leads to a bigtime KQ fail or party fail or fail character.

Sorry, but do you have any idea how many different languages, some first languages, are currently in use in the United States alone?

We must learn not to segregate by issues as trivial as manner of speech, language, etc. I get many reports in several languages on these boards alone. Would it be easier for me to handle it in English? Sure, but I always make an attempt to assist them in their native language first. Of course, using Bablefish is about as efficient as sharpening a steels spike with a wedge of Wisconsin Cheddar. >.<

[Ju1cy]

? I think not...where?

When you renamed the posts name

[Serric]

When you renamed the posts name

Heh - that's no typo. That is a slang term referencing the issue at hand as requested by the user.

Abbrivi - to abbreviate.

Itis - inflammation

Abbriviatitis = the inflammation of the abbriviatum gland, usually resulting in excessive abbreviating of speech, text and other methods of communication. Symptoms include dizziness, a disconnect from reality and difficult in understanding others. This disease is considered very contagious. Quarantine is recommended.

EDIT:

Pwnt.

:p

[Lordlymight]

Now, my two cents

First, my disclaimer
I'm new to this forum. I have been playing the game for only a short while. This is my first MMORPG. I'm probably old enough to be several player's father.

There, got all that out of the way.

In the many years that I have been messing around with a myriad of different types of computers, I have had the opportunity to see the birth of the elite speak age, with its profound degradation into ridiculousness. In its original form, it was a means of typing that disguised text in such a way as to make it difficult to read by someone scanning or capturing the conversation (especially parents). The purpose was served. l337 5p34k was very difficult to translate for those "out of the loop".

Great idea... and fun too, a kind of code so to speak

Unfortunately, it has outlived both its usefulness and its fun.

When used in everyday internet conversation, it dramatically reduces the understandability of any point you are trying to get across. This is especially true of a multinational platform with players speaking many different languages. In addition, its proliferation has caused a dramatic decrease in the average youth's ability to type (or write) a competent sentence outside of the internet arena.

To reinforce the original poster, it has made kids just a little dumber...

Not dumber via a reduced IQ, but dumber in the perception of those to whom they speak or write. It isn't a conscious effort. Old people don't wake up in the morning and say "kids are dumb..." But if given the proof (such as elite speech in everyday life), then that night they will be saying "kids are dumb..."

To come full circle, this makes them almost impossible to understand in the heat of a KQ or full on mob battle. While I am, and I'm sure most of you are, capable of ignoring them, such action becomes a little less easy when you are relying on them to keep your Cleric aware of who needs what or to keep your Mage protected in the thick of it. While I don't necessarily agree that they are literally ruining the game, I do agree that they make it a less comfortable and enjoyable place and are doing more harm than good.

What we have is an era of people growing up under the auspice that it is acceptable to mar and mire standard English in ALL circumstances. This is just not true. I have never had the opportunity to meet anyone over the age of 21 that uses such typing methods unless doing so is a direct jab at those that do. While I hope that the newest generations will out grow it as well, I admit, I'm not overly confident.

That said, I will defend some basic abbreviations though. Abbreviation in general are fairly mundane and do simplify rapid chatting (as has been mentioned). I find it considerably easier to say "ty" when some random wandering cleric pulls my butt out of the fire while the mob is in full swing than type out a full thank you. And I feel it is better to take that half-second to thank the player rather than ignore them just because I don't want to abbreviate. Also, some abbreviation fall within the realm of common usage (such as BTW and FYI that were such an issue earlier in the thread). I feel these are not difficult to understand enough to cause any disruption. Abbreviation is not the same as substitution. Using a 5 instead of an s does not speed up chat, but it does require some internal translation, even for those quite capable at elite speech.

I would also like to comment on the rudeness of players in general. There is very little in the way of direct overwatch and the reporting system needs work, but in a way that's good. A little freedom goes a long way. But if you want to point fingers at those that truly make this game worse, point it at those that are blatant in their abuse of that freedom. As so many of you have mentioned, KSers, spammers, beggars all make the game difficult to endure at times. It is ultimately up to those that don't do those things to strongly discourage those types of actions (reporting, ignoring, not giving in, etc)
I would never buff a player's character that walked up to me and said "buff me now" nor revive a player's character that said "hey n00b, rev me" and I would recommend to all of you to not do so either.

Ranting here will likely change nothing, but it helps to air our woes. I applaud those of you that have stood your ground, but did so with a calm word. While such debates can be heated, ultimately I saw that most posters cooled quickly. It has inspired me to be more active on the forums in the hopes that maybe I can contribute occasionally...

-Lordlymight
-lvl 36 Cleric
-Apoline

-Xotex
-lvl 9 Mage
-Apoline

[Serric]

Now, my two cents

First, my disclaimer
I'm new to this forum. I have been playing the game for only a short while. This is my first MMORPG. I'm probably old enough to be several player's father.

There, got all that out of the way.

In the many years that I have been messing around with a myriad of different types of computers, I have had the opportunity to see the birth of the elite speak age, with its profound degradation into ridiculousness. In its original form, it was a means of typing that disguised text in such a way as to make it difficult to read by someone scanning or capturing the conversation (especially parents). The purpose was served. l337 5p34k was very difficult to translate for those "out of the loop".

Great idea... and fun too, a kind of code so to speak

Unfortunately, it has outlived both its usefulness and its fun.

When used in everyday internet conversation, it dramatically reduces the understandability of any point you are trying to get across. This is especially true of a multinational platform with players speaking many different languages. In addition, its proliferation has caused a dramatic decrease in the average youth's ability to type (or write) a competent sentence outside of the internet arena.

To reinforce the original poster, it has made kids just a little dumber...

Not dumber via a reduced IQ, but dumber in the perception of those to whom they speak or write. It isn't a conscious effort. Old people don't wake up in the morning and say "kids are dumb..." But if given the proof (such as elite speech in everyday life), then that night they will be saying "kids are dumb..."

To come full circle, this makes them almost impossible to understand in the heat of a KQ or full on mob battle. While I am, and I'm sure most of you are, capable of ignoring them, such action becomes a little less easy when you are relying on them to keep your Cleric aware of who needs what or to keep your Mage protected in the thick of it. While I don't necessarily agree that they are literally ruining the game, I do agree that they make it a less comfortable and enjoyable place and are doing more harm than good.

What we have is an era of people growing up under the auspice that it is acceptable to mar and mire standard English in ALL circumstances. This is just not true. I have never had the opportunity to meet anyone over the age of 21 that uses such typing methods unless doing so is a direct jab at those that do. While I hope that the newest generations will out grow it as well, I admit, I'm not overly confident.

That said, I will defend some basic abbreviations though. Abbreviation in general are fairly mundane and do simplify rapid chatting (as has been mentioned). I find it considerably easier to say "ty" when some random wandering cleric pulls my butt out of the fire while the mob is in full swing than type out a full thank you. And I feel it is better to take that half-second to thank the player rather than ignore them just because I don't want to abbreviate. Also, some abbreviation fall within the realm of common usage (such as BTW and FYI that were such an issue earlier in the thread). I feel these are not difficult to understand enough to cause any disruption. Abbreviation is not the same as substitution. Using a 5 instead of an s does not speed up chat, but it does require some internal translation, even for those quite capable at elite speech.

I would also like to comment on the rudeness of players in general. There is very little in the way of direct overwatch and the reporting system needs work, but in a way that's good. A little freedom goes a long way. But if you want to point fingers at those that truly make this game worse, point it at those that are blatant in their abuse of that freedom. As so many of you have mentioned, KSers, spammers, beggars all make the game difficult to endure at times. It is ultimately up to those that don't do those things to strongly discourage those types of actions (reporting, ignoring, not giving in, etc)
I would never buff a player's character that walked up to me and said "buff me now" nor revive a player's character that said "hey n00b, rev me" and I would recommend to all of you to not do so either.

Ranting here will likely change nothing, but it helps to air our woes. I applaud those of you that have stood your ground, but did so with a calm word. While such debates can be heated, ultimately I saw that most posters cooled quickly. It has inspired me to be more active on the forums in the hopes that maybe I can contribute occasionally...

-Lordlymight
-lvl 36 Cleric
-Apoline

-Xotex
-lvl 9 Mage
-Apoline

:blink:

Thank you for such a clear and well thought-out response. Kudos, definitely.

I have nothing more to add, as this post pretty much hits the nail cleanly and squarely on the head.

[whitecrowe]

I agree that people who speak that way (typing IS their only voice) seem less than intelligent.

I have met many people who don't speak American as their main language and yet speak more fluently than a lot of natives I meet... These people come to us learning a dificult, nonsensical language and they speak with an elegance cast away by the incompetant fools that plague the lower-mid leveled areas.

Likewise I've met children as young as 10 years old with the capability to speak in complete sentences. Unless a person is too young to be playing this game they have no excuse to be speaking in such an unrefined fashion.

Personally if I know a person can speak this language and chose not to they don't mean anything more than healslaves or job clients. If someone won't take a few extra seconds to show me they have pride then I don't see the point in acknowledging their exsistance.

[Allnighte]

people spam for money, buffs, and powerlevelling because it has worked for them in the past.

don't give spammers what they want - EVER. and they'll stop spamming.

i make sure to tell people "you are spamming, now i won't give you buffs/money/plvling"

[Fhqwghads]

Heh - that's no typo. That is a slang term referencing the issue at hand as requested by the user.

Abbrivi - to abbreviate.

Itis - inflammation

Abbriviatitis = the inflammation of the abbriviatum gland, usually resulting in excessive abbreviating of speech, text and other methods of communication. Symptoms include dizziness, a disconnect from reality and difficult in understanding others. This disease is considered very contagious. Quarantine is recommended.
You, sir, win many internets.

[Ju1cy]

Heh - that's no typo. That is a slang term referencing the issue at hand as requested by the user.

Abbrivi - to abbreviate.

Itis - inflammation

Abbriviatitis = the inflammation of the abbriviatum gland, usually resulting in excessive abbreviating of speech, text and other methods of communication. Symptoms include dizziness, a disconnect from reality and difficult in understanding others. This disease is considered very contagious. Quarantine is recommended.

EDIT:

Pwnt.

:p

Cries herself to sleep, (Ive been pwnt) Bows at Serrics feet and kisses his little tosies :P Hands him a plate of waffles and fried chicken, with home made honeybutter and syrup

[Juan0129]

Why are we arguing? Is it gonna make a difference? No. So why do you keep arguing? Debating wont fix anything. Thread-Starter I think you knew this was coming. What do you think this is 'Nanny 911'? You got a problem with this then tell that to someone who cares cause all your getting is a negative response.

And Serric...Hopefully you find this is as A Kind and good way of communicating/ :)

[Jhanniss]

Tldr...

:3

[Paleran]

Why are we arguing? Is it gonna make a difference? No. So why do you keep arguing? Debating wont fix anything. Thread-Starter I think you knew this was coming. What do you think this is 'Nanny 911'? You got a problem with this then tell that to someone who cares cause all your getting is a negative response.

And Serric...Hopefully you find this is as A Kind and good way of communicating/ :)

Actually, the whole point of this is that people are venting about the lack of effort that other people make in their speech. This is constructive to those that read and participate in the discussion, as long as it remains cordial (even during disagreements). This isn't an issue about Fiesta specifically, but certainly Fiesta is a game that draws the younger crowd due to its graphics and gameplay style.


Tldr...

You should read it. :) Especially Lordlymight's post a few posts up.

I would also like to interject a few comments into the discussion which may not sit well with some people:

I wholeheartedly agree with the OP and Lordlymight. Not enough emphasis is placed on proper English (and from the little I understand of other languages, I've seen the same problem).

Where did this originate? Sure, 1337 had something to do with it, but, in my opinion, the larger influence is attributed more to the allowance of second-rate English to the point of acceptance. Yes, those who learn English as a second language should strive to speak better if they wish to communicate with us. The issue comes in that it stops there. 10+ years ago when the global phenomenon of the internet was booming, and interaction between native English speakers and non-native was growing exponentially, there was a culture on the Internet where those that were ESL would apologize for their poor English, but would strive to do better. Where is that ambition now? Those that have a poor grasp of English learn just enough to get by, and it's permeated into native English speech as well.

Am I saying that all people of the world should learn to speak proper English? I could argue yes, eventually, since English is becoming the "global" language (many countries have started having English classes all throughout school). I would certainly appreciate any non-native speaker that attempts to speak in English as a way of communicating with those of us who speak it fluently, but the blind acceptance of "poor English" is, to me, the root of the current trend of those that are SUPPOSED to be native speakers not using the language correctly.

I pity the teachers in our schools starting at the pre-teenager years these days. I can't imagine the amount of headaches they go through to right the wrongs these children are learning from the Internet.

[smitske]

Actually, the whole point of this is that people are venting about the lack of effort that other people make in their speech. This is constructive to those that read and participate in the discussion, as long as it remains cordial (even during disagreements). This isn't an issue about Fiesta specifically, but certainly Fiesta is a game that draws the younger crowd due to its graphics and gameplay style.



You should read it. :) Especially Lordlymight's post a few posts up.

I would also like to interject a few comments into the discussion which may not sit well with some people:

I wholeheartedly agree with the OP and Lordlymight. Not enough emphasis is placed on proper English (and from the little I understand of other languages, I've seen the same problem).

Where did this originate? Sure, 1337 had something to do with it, but, in my opinion, the larger influence is attributed more to the allowance of second-rate English to the point of acceptance. Yes, those who learn English as a second language should strive to speak better if they wish to communicate with us. The issue comes in that it stops there. 10+ years ago when the global phenomenon of the internet was booming, and interaction between native English speakers and non-native was growing exponentially, there was a culture on the Internet where those that were ESL would apologize for their poor English, but would strive to do better. Where is that ambition now? Those that have a poor grasp of English learn just enough to get by, and it's permeated into native English speech as well.

Am I saying that all people of the world should learn to speak proper English? I could argue yes, eventually, since English is becoming the "global" language (many countries have started having English classes all throughout school). I would certainly appreciate any non-native speaker that attempts to speak in English as a way of communicating with those of us who speak it fluently, but the blind acceptance of "poor English" is, to me, the root of the current trend of those that are SUPPOSED to be native speakers not using the language correctly.

I pity the teachers in our schools starting at the pre-teenager years these days. I can't imagine the amount of headaches they go through to right the wrongs these children are learning from the Internet.

I find you people should be less arrogant, they try to learn english and all you say is they need to try harder, why dont you people atleast try to help them out in a good way not yelling at them and calling them morons.
I always help people tring my language if they do something wrong and if its hard to understand I make one hell of an effort to try and get it.
You people are just so arrogant "Look at us our language is the best, learn it perfectly or be a moron"
I hate such an attitude.

[Juan0129]

This isnt about non-native speakers. Its not like a scenario like...

Teacher: So now you know why Pluto is no longer a planet...
Kid 1: Rofl! *** Iz youz Talkinz boutz Missez. Clark? Pluto Iz still planet so stfu Noob!
Teacher: Omg did you just say what I think You saidz?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

No its not like that, He was talking about in games. Where do you get this stuff about society when you havent even studied or explored this hot topic in the modern world? If i go to a store I wouldnt be like: "Yo bro, get me some of themz Coca-Colaz cuz I iz teh thirsty Aight?": No I would say: "Umm can i get a Coca-Cola?" And Dude I am NOT going to say: Laughing out loud: Im gonna say :Lol: And Im not gonna curse Imma say :***?: So really The abberviations are a fast-way of expressing yourself. However, I do agree that when doing something important such as a job interview you express yourself professionally. But cmon we're in an RPG Where you kill monsters so why take this seriously?

[smitske]

O job intervieuw is something where you ofcourse shouldnt use that, well you can and you would get denied emmediatetly but its a game, you can here and you shouldnt be called a moron or anything because you do.

Also english is not the most spoken language its chinese.

[Paleran]

This isnt about non-native speakers. Its not like a scenario like...

Teacher: So now you know why Pluto is no longer a planet...
Kid 1: Rofl! *** Iz youz Talkinz boutz Missez. Clark? Pluto Iz still planet so stfu Noob!
Teacher: Omg did you just say what I think You saidz?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

No its not like that, He was talking about in games. Where do you get this stuff about society when you havent even studied or explored this hot topic in the modern world? If i go to a store I wouldnt be like: "Yo bro, get me some of themz Coca-Colaz cuz I iz teh thirsty Aight?": No I would say: "Umm can i get a Coca-Cola?" And Dude I am NOT going to say: Laughing out loud: Im gonna say :Lol: And Im not gonna curse Imma say :***?: So really The abberviations are a fast-way of expressing yourself. However, I do agree that when doing something important such as a job interview you express yourself professionally. But cmon we're in an RPG Where you kill monsters so why take this seriously?


I wasn't talking verbal speech, I was meaning written through the use of a pencil or computer such as book reports, essays and such. If I'm sorely mistaken, then please someone from the education system tell me I'm wrong, but I can't imagine that net-speak in either the form of abbreviations of poor grammar has not permeated its way into the creations of our youth.

And in my opinion, the argument is the same whether you talk about abbreviations or poor English. Yes, just abbreviating something like "ty" is not the same as typing "payin rly gud for you're stuf" (the common mistakes of using good vs well get to me sometimes, even among educated people). It's about acceptance of subpar communication and how we have degraded as a society for it. Have you noticed 1337 starting to make its way into billboards? I have. :(

[smitske]

The reasen for 1337 speak on billboards could be easily explained, the promoter has to pay for every letter on it so they pick abbreviations that are known to alot of people, and the group they want to address which in this case might be 1337 language.

[Paleran]

I find you people should be less arrogant, they try to learn english and all you say is they need to try harder, why dont you people atleast try to help them out in a good way not yelling at them and calling them morons.
I always help people tring my language if they do something wrong and if its hard to understand I make one hell of an effort to try and get it.
You people are just so arrogant "Look at us our language is the best, learn it perfectly or be a moron"
I hate such an attitude.

Did I say they have to learn it perfectly? No, but the attitude is that "subpar is OK" is not OK. I have been speaking English my whole life, and I occasionally will still make a mistake.

Arrogance != desire

I desire for everyone to do better including myself. Yes, people who just learn English should be given slack, and I do. But most don't strive to do any better because they don't have to. And this lack of desire has permeated into our youth who should be learning English better.

[Fhqwghads]

Why are we arguing? Is it gonna make a difference? No. So why do you keep arguing? Debating wont fix anything. Thread-Starter I think you knew this was coming. What do you think this is 'Nanny 911'? You got a problem with this then tell that to someone who cares cause all your getting is a negative response.

And Serric...Hopefully you find this is as A Kind and good way of communicating/ :)
Actually I see a lot of support and some amusing stories to boot. I don't care if this fixes anything, it was meant to vent some steam.

[smitske]

Well the school system values more to letting children learn how to disect(couldnt think of a better english word to describe what I mean) poems and litrature then learning proper english.

Most of the people using 1337 are of origin people that were born in an english speaking envirement.

[Paleran]

O job intervieuw is something where you ofcourse shouldnt use that, well you can and you would get denied emmediatetly but its a game, you can here and you shouldnt be called a moron or anything because you do.

Also english is not the most spoken language its chinese.

You're speaking numbers of people. That's not reality. Remove population density from the equation, and my opinion is that English would be the most spoken language, globally. And this is opinion, since I couldn't find any demographics to back up this statement.

[smitske]

Thats just causeamerica is (for now) the leading country and you people arent willing to learn other language to easily cause you got the feeling your superior.

[Paleran]

Thats just causeamerica is (for now) the leading country and you people arent willing to learn other language to easily cause you got the feeling your superior.

"you people" huh? This isn't about America vs the world, but I won't stoop to your level. It's about English, which is the native language of 2 of the politically strongest countries in the world, England and yes, America and quickly becoming the "second" language of many other countries of the world. Political influence goes a long way in influencing other aspects of society such as language. Way to side-step the conversation. I've said my piece.

[smitske]

Lolz, thats how it is, america feels superior just like europe did in the days where we colonised the world.

[Serric]

Hmmmm. We've reached a dangerous junction in this dialogue. The original intent of this thread was concerning the destabilization of game play and frustrations, angst and miscommunications caused by a generation of those who adamantly use abbreviated text in lieu of traditional, full sentences. Not, however, the age-old argument of which language should be spoken in the United States versus the world. I would like to see us wander from the latter argument and back to the subject at hand, but before we do, my two cents:

It is my personal opinion as a citizen of the United States of America that the push to force others to learn English as a primary universal language is an arrogant and evil concept. The world is made up of people from rich, traditional countries who have spoken a native language for centuries – much longer than America has even existed as a union. To demand they be forced to take on English as a second or, dare I say it, a primary language is, in my mind, an attempt to quell those traditions and repress these people for the sheer sake that Americans are too lazy to pick up a few languages on their own. I say this with great and intentional contempt.

Now, that is not to say, however, that those coming from another country into America should not learn English as a second language. In fact, I strongly believe they should, but as a SECOND language, not a primary. It would be the same, as an example, if I were to move to Mexico, Germany or France. I couldn’t expect them to speak English in their native country – the responsibility falls solely upon myself to learn the language of the country in which I have chosen to reside. I would never give up speaking English even though I would probably be speaking it less… but with that said, it would still be my primary. Now here’s the kicker: I would sound illiterate, “dumb”, etc. to these people because this is a second language and one I am not proficient in. I could handle myself well enough but I would not be able to grasp the finer details of the language, the slang, the inflection, etc. as a native speaker would. Being an intelligent person, intelligent enough to actually learn a second language, how do you think I would feel if they were to laugh at me, point and say “Either learn how to speak the language or get out!”

That is effectively what the argument here is saying, that because English isn’t their native language they should strive to “talk better” like us. Well, for one, I have an easier time understanding what anon-native English speaker is saying half the time than I do with a majority of people who were born and raised here.

Having said this, I would like to see this conversation go back to the topic of abbreviated speech in the game as opposed to full sentences. Native language has no bearing here.

[Paleran]

My comments were drawing parallels between abbreviations and poor English, as I believe one leads to another. The most prevalent example I can think of is "yer" because one of the most common mistakes in writing English is "you're" vs. "your". Abbreviating either as "yer" disassociates the phrase and allows people to not have to think about which version is correct.

Also, before 'smitske' diverted the conversation, you could replace "English" in any comment I had with "<insert your native language>". For example, from the very little of spanish that I have learned, I never see native hispanic speakers using abbreviations as prolific as in English. It is always "hasta manana" "hasta luego" or just simply "hasta" when separating. Never "hm" "hl" or anything. I would not be surprised, however, if the same issues that are permeating into English have started in other languages such as Spanish, but I have not seen them or heard any issues. Hence, I refer to English in my comments.

Again, if I'm wrong in any comment of mine, I would appreciate corrections from those that have specific and direct knowledge.

EDIT: One more quick point about the globalization of language. I have been in engineering now since college and every single global company I have interacted with has required that any worker who is hired to speak with other engineers globally to be able to be conversational in English. This is where I draw my personal experience from on the permeation of English globally, rather than demographics of numbers of people that speak a particular language. But as I type this, I am thinking about how this may just be exemplary of the high-tech industry and not society in general, so I apologize for making broad assumptions on this basis for which I am obviously jaded.

[Narfblat]

The best way to fight wrong speech is through constructive criticism. "Hint: you're more likely to get buffed if you say please and don't use all capital letters." or "Just so you know, repeating the message so often will just make people ignore you."

Language problems from age/nationality shouldn't be big issues here, as we were all young and we are all foreign to a majority of the world. :)

[Serric]

EDIT: One more quick point about the globalization of language. I have been in engineering now since college and every single global company I have interacted with has required that any worker who is hired to speak with other engineers globally to be able to be conversational in English. This is where I draw my personal experience from on the permeation of English globally, rather than demographics of numbers of people that speak a particular language. But as I type this, I am thinking about how this may just be exemplary of the high-tech industry and not society in general, so I apologize for making broad assumptions on this basis for which I am obviously jaded.

This does, in fact, raise another point, and one I think ties in with this thread.

You mention working abroad and needing to speak with other engineers, many from a non-English speaking country, yet the engineers need to be able to communicate effectively in order to manage a project. This is akin to players in a KQ needing to be able to understand one another in order to successfully complete the quest. In your example, you mention that the selected language is English – this makes sense for an American-based company and any companies tied into it. This is a separate issue entirely than what I was describing, having heard WAY too many arguments of “You’re in my country, speak MY language!” made by people who then expect to go to a foreign country and still speak English.

If your engineers refused to meet in some middle ground for communications sake, the project would fail. Perhaps we, the non l33t speakers, need to find similar middle ground for communications sake rather than complaining about abrvtd txt n spk.

Fud 4 thgt

[fireriver]

You forgot to mention the ones who spam:

Buff me plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!

That so makes me so want to log in my cleric just to buff them. :rolleyes:

One thing I have started geting is the whisper spams for a buff. Like that would make me buff you NOT. If you whisper me for a buff I will not give one unless you are a friend of mine but if your not your out of luck, you just have to ask in normal chat and then I will buff you.

I also hate it when people ask for a buff when my party is aoe or when I am fighting. Sorry but the lives of my party and my own are more important then giveing you a buff, if you wait until I an free well then thats a different story.

[smitske]

This does, in fact, raise another point, and one I think ties in with this thread.

You mention working abroad and needing to speak with other engineers, many from a non-English speaking country, yet the engineers need to be able to communicate effectively in order to manage a project. This is akin to players in a KQ needing to be able to understand one another in order to successfully complete the quest. In your example, you mention that the selected language is English – this makes sense for an American-based company and any companies tied into it. This is a separate issue entirely than what I was describing, having heard WAY too many arguments of “You’re in my country, speak MY language!” made by people who then expect to go to a foreign country and still speak English.

If your engineers refused to meet in some middle ground for communications sake, the project would fail. Perhaps we, the non l33t speakers, need to find similar middle ground for communications sake rather than complaining about abrvtd txt n spk.

Fud 4 thgt

Hehe ye I notice that a lot, an english guy lives here for 9 years and expects us to adapt cause he doesnt want to learn our language, now dont tell me english speaking dont think their language is superior.

[Paleran]

Very good point, Serric, and one that I think would be beneficial for everyone around is what you're getting at. I still have resrevations about it since although not quite as harsh as the OP, I don't believe even encouraging 1337 or abbreviations or poor LANGUAGE skills is constructive for society.

About the English being the standard for an American company, I believe it is standard among any high-tech company that has a global market for English to be the language of choice. I have had personal experience with this when a French company was speaking with the Finnish division of my company. They both spoke English, even though the Finn spoke staggered French. Whether this was for my benefit or not since I was in the room, I don't believe so since I wasn't a part of the conversation.

[Paleran]

Hehe ye I notice that a lot, an english guy lives here for 9 years and expects us to adapt cause he doesnt want to learn our language, now dont tell me english speaking dont think their language is superior.

Why do you have to be so antagonistic? You are generalizing people more than I am.

I have been interacting with the Finnish team of our company quite a bit lately, and every time I am over there, I learn a bit more Finnish. If I /lived/ there, I would certainly take strides to learn the language.

It's not about just America or England, it's a personal thing when someone refuses to learn a language. But thank you for lumping us all into one bucket.

I tried being cordial with every one of his scathing replies, but this one finally pushed me over the edge. ><

On the other hand, there is an English dude working at the Finn company who hasn't learned one word of Finnish and has been there for 5 years. :P Do I think, based on these two conversation, that all of England refuses like these 2? No.

[Juan0129]

..Never Mind I had a long Rant all written up but its smarter not to do so cause itll just add gas to the fire

[smitske]

Lolz, ive sene people in here(dont klnow if itt was you might be not sure) generalise that all people using 1337 speak and have bad grammer/spelling being tossed in the 'moron' binn, thats also generalising.

[Jhanniss]

*loads up the tranquilizer gun again* >.>

[Fhqwghads]

I think what leaves me flabbergasted (what an awesome word) is the severe lack of common sense, with regards to those posting about people being incredibly annoying about buffs, and anything else where someone spams the hell out of shout or say. All it takes is sitting in a town for about 5 minutes before you see:


SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ


...or something similar. I am extremely puzzled how the person doing this cannot fathom how FREAKIN' ANNOYING that is. Is common sense lacking these days? It's really not hard to imagine what that would be like in real life, with some idiot shouting in the middle of a crowd "BUFF PLEASE" over and over. When it comes to conversation in-game, if it's not something you'd do in real life it shouldn't be done here in my opinion.

[Angelxx]

One thing I have started geting is the whisper spams for a buff. Like that would make me buff you NOT. If you whisper me for a buff I will not give one unless you are a friend of mine but if your not your out of luck, you just have to ask in normal chat and then I will buff you.

I also hate it when people ask for a buff when my party is aoe or when I am fighting. Sorry but the lives of my party and my own are more important then giveing you a buff, if you wait until I an free well then thats a different story.

I'm ok with whispers as I sometimes whisper for buffs with the mentality that they might not want to end up buffing everyone. If I said in normal chat then everyone might start bugging the kind person who buffed me.

[Paleran]

Lolz, ive sene people in here(dont klnow if itt was you might be not sure) generalise that all people using 1337 speak and have bad grammer/spelling being tossed in the 'moron' binn, thats also generalising.

That was not me, as I have used 1337 speak in the past on occasion. Mostly for joking purposes, but when playing as a cleric in a group, I don't have time to write out full sentences. Abbreviations and 1337 speak are my tools of choice in those situations since it is a faster way to communicate.

[smitske]

I think what leaves me flabbergasted (what an awesome word) is the severe lack of common sense, with regards to those posting about people being incredibly annoying about buffs, and anything else where someone spams the hell out of shout or say. All it takes is sitting in a town for about 5 minutes before you see:


SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ
SomeN00b: BUFF PLZ


...or something similar. I am extremely puzzled how the person doing this cannot fathom how FREAKIN' ANNOYING that is. Is common sense lacking these days? It's really not hard to imagine what that would be like in real life, with some idiot shouting in the middle of a crowd "BUFF PLEASE" over and over. When it comes to conversation in-game, if it's not something you'd do in real life it shouldn't be done here in my opinion.

Just take screens and Pm the person if you dont stop know ill report you and you could get banned, works everytime.

[Angelxx]

Hehe ye I notice that a lot, an english guy lives here for 9 years and expects us to adapt cause he doesnt want to learn our language, now dont tell me english speaking dont think their language is superior.

Oh come on. =_=

Are you saying then that if a mass murderer ends up in my country and he happens to come from yours, I would think all your countrymen are mass murderers?

Did it occur to you that maybe he wasn't good with languages or he has no interest in languages? There could be alot of reasons why he didn't learn your language other than the fact you thought he was being a snob. That to me is reverse snobbery.

[smitske]

Oh come on. =_=

Are you saying then that if a mass murderer ends up in my country and he happens to come from yours, I would think all your countrymen are mass murderers?

Did it occur to you that maybe he wasn't good with languages or he has no interest in languages? There could be alot of reasons why he didn't learn your language other than the fact you thought he was being a snob. That to me is reverse snobbery.

The thing is, this happens a whole lot more then the mass murderer thing, but your not alone many other country's do it cause they find mylanguage stupid cause only few people use it.

[Angelxx]

The thing is, this happens a whole lot more then the mass murderer thing, but your not alone many other country's do it cause they find mylanguage stupid cause only few people use it.

I'm not alone? I don't even know which country you are from. =_=

[smitske]

Ye sorry my fault, wasnt ment to direct it to you personaly

[Angelxx]

Ye sorry my fault, wasnt ment to direct it to you personaly

For the record, I'm not British.

[Jhanniss]

*loads tranquilizer gun again* >.>

Throughout the ages terms have been created and slang made to represent something during that time frame.

For example: if I was to tell you "I am going to bomb a train" what is the first thing that enters your mind? Obviously in this era you would assume a terrorist act. Whereas back in the late 70s and 80s, it would mean I was going to graffiti the train.

Another popular term through the ages is gay. Back in the early 1900s it came to mean happy (ex: I'm so gay), then the 80s it became a reference to homosexuals (ex: That man is.. gay). Today it is used by teens to mean 'stupid' (ex: That's so gay).

Online life has bred its own 'language' in a sense, especially in the IM/Gaming era.

LOL.. ***.. BRB.. AFK.. all terms created before the cell phone became smaller than a brick.

Then we come to gaming terminology. "Looking for a SOW". To a new person, one would ask why they are looking for a pig. To regular players, one will recognize this for looking for a Spirit Of the Wolf (think T5 speed scroll in Fiesta Terms).

[EDITED - sorry Jhanniss... couldn't leave that example in LOL]

The short hand and mispelling we see on the forums today comes from a mix of unedicated but also the 'texting' generation of kids who spend a lot of time using short hand to express their thoughts rather than write such out.

That in itself is yet another spin on online 'language'.

4chan, hacker terminology, gamer terminology, online IM shorthand.. these all have influences of various aspects in our online life.

Many will look at this and yawn "TLDR", others will read and go "omfg***bbqhax", and then yet others will view as a waste of 1's and 0's.

TTYL. ;3

[Angelxx]

Someone told me today "Party me pliz".

I asked him what 'pliz' was and he didn't reply. So I didn't party him. :p

Ok, ok, I admit I was feeling a tiny bit "B*ahem*" over the language thing since participating in this thread. :o

[Lythari]

Here is my philosphy when reading and writing:

You make a conscious effort to read and understand what I say, so I make a conscious effort to make what I say legible and understandable.

I do use slang and abbreviations, just in a way that is more reader friendly.

Of course, I usually write everything out here on the forums.

[Paleran]

The short hand and mispelling we see on the forums today comes from a mix of unedicated but also the 'texting' generation of kids who spend a lot of time using short hand to express their thoughts rather than write such out.


And this brings home the point I was trying to make earlier that is contributing to the "uneducation" of youth. Teachers must have to be schooled themselves in the era of internet-speak since they have to undo all that their students learn about <INSERT YOUR LANGUAGE HERE> from games.

[Fhqwghads]

Just take screens and Pm the person if you dont stop know ill report you and you could get banned, works everytime.

If I did that I think I'd be spending more time taking screenshots and filing reports than playing the game. ;) I just block them.

[yourmojo]

Just compare Lordlymight's post with the OPs and you will know what is truely ruining this game. =\

[Poisoned77]

Personally, I don't care that so many players use leetspeak and chatspeak. Yes, it exhibits the degradation of future generation's grammar skills, but it's just like natural selection. the more that these people type with bad grammar and spelling the easier it will be for people like me and the OP to get careers. So to all you "leetspeakers", keep doing it because you are only making my life that much easier.

[joedoe]

But i'm not deamnding anyone to speak proper portuguese to me... my home language... and i understand a bit of english but i'm not so good at writing it myself... so abreviations are quite usefull for me...

Please respect others at they're choices... sometimes those who use abreviations do so to facilitate comunication... of course you can keep your language more acurate and i do apreciate that much more cause i learn more then...

The worst thing i see is the bad and innapropriate language... at least some people could spare us the bad language even in abreviations or using other ways to write it...

If english is your main language the way you write tells a lot about yourself... sense your hiding behind a keyboard and a screen you show your true nature...

Either your a gentleman or a lady or your just a lake of boiling mud that sends dirt to who ever passes by. AND THIS IS MORE SERIOUS THEN ABREVIATIONS BELIEVE ME!

[Poisoned77]

You write better than a lot of people who have English as their first language.

[Fhqwghads]

Just compare Lordlymight's post with the OPs and you will know what is truely ruining this game. =\
Still haven't figured out how to change the channel, huh? You'd just rather sit around and complain about my discourse than go somewhere else. Again, my point about people lacking common sense applies directly here.

[Angelxx]

But i'm not deamnding anyone to speak proper portuguese to me... my home language... and i understand a bit of english but i'm not so good at writing it myself... so abreviations are quite usefull for me...

Please respect others at they're choices... sometimes those who use abreviations do so to facilitate comunication... of course you can keep your language more acurate and i do apreciate that much more cause i learn more then...

The worst thing i see is the bad and innapropriate language... at least some people could spare us the bad language even in abreviations or using other ways to write it...

If english is your main language the way you write tells a lot about yourself... sense your hiding behind a keyboard and a screen you show your true nature...

Either your a gentleman or a lady or your just a lake of boiling mud that sends dirt to who ever passes by. AND THIS IS MORE SERIOUS THEN ABREVIATIONS BELIEVE ME!

We are not just talking abbreviations though. I'm fine with them too but some are just unnecessary and/or senseless or not easily understood especially by non-English speaking players.

[UzumakiW]

I don't have too big of a problem with people who do this. However, it does get a little annoying when I find myself having to re-read someone's message because I can't understand what they typed. I personally don't abbreviate anything, and I always try my best to type in correct proper English and grammar down to the last period because I have found myself, in my writing for school, changing the spelling on words and phrases because that's how I did it on the computer (i.e. I'd right "gotta" instead of "got to."). So, that's why I decided to type the way I would write my school work.

[smitske]

If I did that I think I'd be spending more time taking screenshots and filing reports than playing the game. ;) I just block them.

Just take a screenshot, 90% of the times they stop if yougive that warning so no need to report then.

[Paleran]

I don't have too big of a problem with people who do this. However, it does get a little annoying when I find myself having to re-read someone's message because I can't understand what they typed. I personally don't abbreviate anything, and I always try my best to type in correct proper English and grammar down to the last period because I have found myself in my writing for school changing the spelling on words and phrases because that's how I did it on the computer (i.e. I'd right "gotta" instead of "got to."). So, that's why I decided to type the way I would write my school work.

Props to you for taking the initiative to correct yourself. I can't imagine how many others don't have your self-motivation to better themselves in this respect.

Also, thanks for mostly proving my original point of my post. ;)

[Dakejev]

Personally I hate chatspeak. If they want to use leet, sure, go ahead, I can read leet. But chatspeak is like a cross between leet and real English, so I guess that's why it grates on my nerves so much. :mad:

But there's one thing I detest even more than chatspeak users: those that dare insult us (I assume there are more than just me) who choose to use complete sentences (when not in middle of battle), grammar and even apply some punctuation. Though I do admit I get some pleasure from telling them to take it up with their English teacher before adding them to my block list. ;)

I mean, seriously, English is a foreign language to me: I learned it in school. And it really freaks me out occasionally that it seems not only do I use it better than many native users bother to, and that I seem to know more words than they do. :eek:

[Dakejev]

I have to add that when I'm in hurry (like being in a fight with creatures that can kill me in seconds), I, too, use abbreviations, but when I'm not in hurry, I take the time to type properly. :)

[anmlink]

One thing I have started geting is the whisper spams for a buff. Like that would make me buff you NOT. If you whisper me for a buff I will not give one unless you are a friend of mine but if your not your out of luck, you just have to ask in normal chat and then I will buff you.

I also hate it when people ask for a buff when my party is aoe or when I am fighting. Sorry but the lives of my party and my own are more important then giveing you a buff, if you wait until I an free well then thats a different story.


Serric can easily tell you this is the truth that I am saying considering it was him that i went to for my problem


While my archer was messed up the only real way i could talk with someone was in whisper.. i would tell them to speak in normal chat so that I could see what they were saying but I would speak to them in whisper

My entire interface on my character was removed and there was no possible way of getting it back without help

So yes not all whispers can mean direct spam or that they should be ignored

~just a thought for you~

[Serric]

Serric can easily tell you this is the truth that I am saying considering it was him that i went to for my problem


While my archer was messed up the only real way i could talk with someone was in whisper.. i would tell them to speak in normal chat so that I could see what they were saying but I would speak to them in whisper

My entire interface on my character was removed and there was no possible way of getting it back without help

So yes not all whispers can mean direct spam or that they should be ignored

~just a thought for you~

Side note: Has this issue not been resolved yet? PM me....

[Lordlymight]

I find you people should be less arrogant, they try to learn english and all you say is they need to try harder, why dont you people atleast try to help them out in a good way not yelling at them and calling them morons.
I always help people tring my language if they do something wrong and if its hard to understand I make one hell of an effort to try and get it.
You people are just so arrogant "Look at us our language is the best, learn it perfectly or be a moron"
I hate such an attitude.

I doubt that wot/wut/what have anything to do with how well you have mastered ESL.

That said, this thread is an attempt to help them. By venting frustration here, there is a less likely chance of unfairly venting on others in game. Regardless of what language or languages they speak.

[anmlink]

Side note: Has this issue not been resolved yet? PM me....


It has been resolved... oddly enough it was the update that fixed my problem though.. just before CSR_Logan had sent the problem to the game developers:o

It wasn't the update we just recieved recently but I believe the one prior to it;)

[Lordlymight]

Lolz, ive sene people in here(dont klnow if itt was you might be not sure) generalise that all people using 1337 speak and have bad grammer/spelling being tossed in the 'moron' binn, thats also generalising.

< snark > I'm afraid that you haven't given us a lot to work with here... :D < /snark>

[Serric]

Oi!! :shakes his head:

[Lordlymight]

You make a conscious effort to read and understand what I say, so I make a conscious effort to make what I say legible and understandable.

This is quite possibly the most courteous statement I've seen here, thank you.

[yourmojo]

Still haven't figured out how to change the channel, huh? You'd just rather sit around and complain about my discourse than go somewhere else. Again, my point about people lacking common sense applies directly here.
Oh how terribly ironic...You complaining about someone who can't "change the channel" yet you refuse to simply block people because it's too much effort.


I never said I was leaving this topic.


Just compare Lordlymight's post with the OPs and you will know what is truely ruining this game. =\

............................................

[Lordlymight]

If I did that I think I'd be spending more time taking screenshots and filing reports than playing the game. ;) I just block them.

No doubt. Its unfortunate too, since you never know when that individual is going to be a part of your next KQ party. But really, what choice do we have. Block them and it possibly bites you much later, or don't and have to deal with them wiping chat off the board before you even have a chance to read it.

[Lordlymight]

Just compare Lordlymight's post with the OPs and you will know what is truely ruining this game. =\

This is an unjust statement.

Here is why...

The original poster made it a point at the outset of his post to include any number of disclaimers on both his mission and intent. He made it clear that it was both a rant and would likely change little. He gave plenty of warning to all who would choose to both read and comment on his post.

I chose a completely different method of rant, but it does not make me any better or worse. Trust me, my level of frustration for the gamut of elite speakers, spammers, KSers, petty PVPers, and beggars has made me wonder what it is people see in MMORPGs. Fortunately the many merits of the game and the thousands of players who do not fall into the above categories help me achieve that understanding.

My roots are in tabletop gaming where the anonymity of the internet age is not available. If a player is annoying, he or she has to take ownership of the disdain others feel. That is lost in the "great roleplaying game on the wire."

Luckily, the more I catch up on the forums and meet "cool" players in game, the more I see that there is a significant number of players who are decent gamers who just love to play.

I think you will find Fhqwghads' post less derogatory if you just take a moment to understand what it is he is trying to say and respect the fact that he made every effort to give you the tools necessary to understand his level of angst.

[Cherushi]

I understand it's rather hard to understand what other people are saying, and I often wonder why do they go the trouble of creating such a huge confusion with all the spellings and such. I have encoutered worst I think, where as before I understood the logic between using you and 'u' because text messages used to have limited characters O.o and well people tend to compose what they are saying in one text message. Now that isn't true but some people instead of shortening for practical purposes instead, lengthens and make rather silly spellings of the words.

However, I do not frown upon easily on other people simply because of the way they spell or type things out. I myself would like to use some from time to time in the mood of the conversation. "wuv" instead of love, it's all in the fun of the conversation and depends if we are in a joking mood or what.

I'm rather lazy to read all the posts and has ended reading at the 70th post. XD

But anyways, for me, it would be just unfair for you to judge them simply based on how they type or spell things. ;) It's what their saying that matters and well their attitude I think? ^.^

[yourmojo]

There's a difference between ranting, trolling, and given a decent argument. And you can't make a disclaimer that offends people either...Telling people to read about bunnies and what-not is trolling, not disclaiming.

[Lordlymight]

There's a difference between ranting, trolling, and given a decent argument. And you can't make a disclaimer that offends people either...Telling people to read about bunnies and what-not is trolling, not disclaiming.

I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree on this point.

He did not tell YOU to read about bunnies and what-not, he says those that don't like rants should move on to threads about such soft subjects. Again, a moment of empathy for the poster would go a long way.

It pains me to call you out on this because obviously you feel strongly about the subject. I ask that you take a moment to try and look at things from Fhqwghads' point of view (and from mine) before comparing us. I appreciate what was likely meant to be a complement and it is my intention to be a little more empathic with my post, but I think it unfair to bring myself and Fhqwghads into conflict over an ill-perceived slight on your part.

[yourmojo]

So if I was to say this:


Don't read this if you don't like rants, go read something about happy rainbows.

Anyone who thinks my posts aren't correct, are uneducated backwood idiots. Their opinions mean nothing, and they are morons for trying to defend it on this thread.
Then it's ok, but I haven't actually called anyone anything? And it's ok, because of the sad little disclaimer?

I'm sorry, but that's BS and you know it. Maybe I'll go spend money on a game where trolling isn't allowed. Because obviously the rules aren't being enforced on this game.

[Juan0129]

The report crap is bugged. And What the hell are we still arguing about? Just Stop it already before a GM Walks in and locks this thread.

[Serric]

And yet another road...

Guys, if you wish to discuss semantics please take it into PM. This is the last time I am going to attempt to steer this thread back on course.

I apologize if I sound frank. Or Jerry or Bob for that matter.

[Juan0129]

Thank you Serric... :)

[Kisaragi_Chan]

Yeah, I do have to agree on the whole AOL speak crap. I have the same problem with people who like to type with phoenics (Which I call "ghetto-typing) I never bother reading those posts. It takes too much time and enough brain power to factor 13 to the 1 billionth power, and I dont' have that kind of brain power.
I understand hacking words and such if you're in the middle of a mob. You don't have time to type out every letter. BUT if you're just standing there and start saying to me, pt plz, ur hawt, or crap like that (I can't even think of HOW to type as crappy as i've seen) I'll probably block you. I was in Burning Hill trying to finish off my Marlone archer quest, so here I am busy trying to level and finish my quest, when a lower level mage out of no where starts sending me party requests. I hit refuse. another get's sent 2 seconds later, I hit refuse. I think I hit refuse about 10 times before something agro'd him and he died. If I refuse after 3 times, just go away.

But the people who hack the english language in to something that makes decoding hex codes childs play, REALLY tick me off.

But I really hate the kids bothering me about how "Hot" my character looks. Hi, kids, my character is nothing more than polygons and texture images, not only that, I've seen many other girls with my black dress on. and GOD I hope they don't try looking up my skirt. One guy tried that before. I got so mad I pulled the elite monster from the map to him and left the map.
.....Erm...sorry, I kind of went off on a tangent there.

Point being, if you want to be taken seriously PLEASE use propper grammar. Capitalization is nice too, but I understand if you can't hit that little shift key because something is chasing you. But at least don't go "u pt wit me plox cuz i ned lvls LOLZ***BBQ"

[smitske]

And yet another road...

Guys, if you wish to discuss semantics please take it into PM. This is the last time I am going to attempt to steer this thread back on course.

I apologize if I sound frank. Or Jerry or Bob for that matter.

Na you sound perfectly serric xP

[Narfblat]

Umm, you intentionally pulled a monster to someone? I believe that is considered "training" even though it was only one. I do agree that they shouldn't abuse female characters, especially since character gender doesn't have to match the player. ;)

People, respect each other in your chatting and forum posts, try to communicate clearly, and don't insult people for disagreeing with you. There only person that agrees with every single thing you think is yourself(and even then, you may occasionally disagree).

Funny that Serric mentioned sounding "Jerry" as this thread was close to becoming a Springer episode. *dodges a thrown chair*

[Jhanniss]

Funny that Serric mentioned sounding "Jerry" as this thread was close to becoming a Springer episode. *dodges a thrown chair*


*loads up the tranquilizer gun once more* They have chairs, we have guns. :3

[ToorimaKun]

Guys, if you wish to discuss semantics please take it into PM.

OR... click on Ferrias ramble thread in my siggy... talk about any thing it don't matter... G-Rated ovcouse. ^^

any way i still think that acrinims are ok.... but when you just bucher a word it just looks dumb, like st8 up. XD

[Miazma]

lol been a while since my original post on this thread. Just read the whole thing and one thing seemed to jump out big time. OLD people should not play a KIDS GAME and expect to be dealing with OLD mindsets :D

My Mum (57 years old) sometimes jumps on my account and holds fort while I take a *dare I say it* pee break. Yeah I know at 57 she is a bit of an old chook, but geez not once has she had to ask me what someone said.

Sits and imagines the cost of a text message here in Australia if I had to limit myself to no abbreviations :D THAT would hurt I wouldnt have the dollars left to spend in cash shop :D

[TheCentrix]

PT PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssss

lol jk

[Miazma]

Races off and gets dolled up in my party gear. Come on Centrix, you and me, hitting the clubs. :D :D

[LaLakers.84]

umm thats centrix.... and yeah i hate newbs sept the fact that kids probably didnt make up thatstuff heres story when i got mad...

so im strolling at mara (when i was sorta a newb now lvl 37) and i was 25 then and a lvl 17 was asking for a buff:confused: i sad i cant buff and they saidya u can r a cleric an tking blah bah for like whole kq then end they want 30s for thi pet there friends gonna sell them i said iim not just gona hand out 30s... the ret is yada yada yada

[Nyoro]

er.. i think a bit of abbreviation is fine in moderation...
i usually stick to the standard ones... such as afk,
lol, ty, yw, or np. not much besides these i use.

[WongFu]

abbreviations are fine as long as you don't use them too much, everyone uses them even in the business world, abbreviations like asap and rsvp is used a lot... when asking for a buff I believe "may I plz get a buff" is ok but that's just me, I've seen clerics shoot back nastily saying if you can't type correctly then I don't need to buff you so i guess each person is entitled to they're own opinion