Clerics need a break from the hate.

[Rapman1489]

ight look, im a cleric...lvl 51 and im sick of all these cleric threads in the forums.
mostly becuz there all dising the role of the cleric. people who say "do your job". what job? im here to play a game.
im not worried about you unless your a friend or someone who is polite.

im really sick of all these effin' people running up and spaming my whisper or normal chat with "buff plz".
is your vocab so horrible your cant type "may i have a buff please?" <---that makes me want to buff you.

..on a side note.. a cleric AOE attack would be awesome...back on point.

anyway, people with mains that are fighters, mages, or archers. you dont have a high lvl cleric, give us a break dam.

all i want is some slack.

[Famineakatux]

nice post and yea itd be nice if they'd let us have a break from the class dissin.
People do say too often "Do yer job, or your ROLE is to heal" um no my role is
to be the guy having fun playing an mmo.
AOE attack ... yea itd be nice XD

[_Rhen_]

ight look, im a cleric...lvl 51 and im sick of all these cleric threads in the forums.
mostly becuz there all dising the role of the cleric. people who say "do your job". what job? im here to play a game.
im not worried about you unless your a friend or someone who is polite.

im really sick of all these effin' people running up and spaming my whisper or normal chat with "buff plz".
is your vocab so horrible your cant type "may i have a buff please?" <---that makes me want to buff you.

..on a side note.. a cleric AOE attack would be awesome...back on point.

anyway, people with mains that are fighters, mages, or archers. you dont have a high lvl cleric, give us a break dam.

all i want is some slack.
well if i were to tell a cleric to do they're job it would be because they are not healing or they're letting me die a lot while they try to hit the monster...nd its a faster way of typing it >.> and yeah i have an archer as a main..and my cleric is high lvl too

[OIVIegA]

Acually in kq, mostly and aoe parties, or yea a cleric should heal no matter if your a battle cleric which i am lmao but i guessif you just heal and keep other alive you get respect.

[_Rhen_]

Acually in kq, mostly and aoe parties, or yea a cleric should heal no matter if your a battle cleric which i am lmao but i guessif you just heal and keep other alive you get respect.

that would be nice^^

[Rapman1489]

well if i were to tell a cleric to do they're job it would be because they are not healing or they're letting me die a lot while they try to hit the monster...nd its a faster way of typing it >.> and yeah i have an archer as a main..and my cleric is high lvl too

Gratz on your high cleric :D and i mean for those Clerics that are paying attion..and their ..."tank" is to weak and dies...and gets yelled at. ..and im sorry ..all these dissing cleric forums have ticked me off.

[Famineakatux]

no the point is >< bleeeeeeeeh forget the point.. another thread. ruined.....

[Rapman1489]

no the point is >< bleeeeeeeeh forget the point.. another thread. ruined.....

yup...more cleric dissers man..

[_Rhen_]

LOL u always have a point to prove^^

[GuanoSnoop]

"A cleric's job"

In a party - heal the party.

solo - whatever the **** you want.

and that's that.

[Famineakatux]

blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh open up the servers T_T
i wanna get away from this Rhen person .________.
no i just reaaaally want sum changes on the cleric class
coz the skills are junky for us at the top here and its almost impossible
to solo for my cap.

[_Rhen_]

"A cleric's job"

In a party - heal the party.

solo - whatever the **** you want.

and that's that.
thats pretty much it though lol

[Rapman1489]

"A cleric's job"

In a party - heal the party.

solo - whatever the **** you want.

and that's that.

....that was a hyp question. i meant it as there is not "job" in a game as this.

[_Rhen_]

blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh open up the servers T_T
i wanna get away from this Rhen person .________.
no i just reaaaally want sum changes on the cleric class
coz the skills are junky for us at the top here and its almost impossible
to solo for my cap.

lol its open! and yes im stalking u :D

[Rapman1489]

blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh open up the servers T_T
i wanna get away from this Rhen person .________.
no i just reaaaally want sum changes on the cleric class
coz the skills are junky for us at the top here and its almost impossible
to solo for my cap.

your telling me, this is weak dude. Rhen go dis the archer forums.

[Famineakatux]

.________.
YAY SERVERS OPEN BAIBAI mean lady
and cleric awwsumness only applies to pvp
i guess not solo-ishededness
<--- still wants more than a crummy 200k xp per hour solo tho :P

[_Rhen_]

lol been there got bored, ive been looking at other classes to and i find the cleric one the most entertaining^^

[GuanoSnoop]

....that was a hyp question. i meant it as there is not "job" in a game as this.

yeah, i know what you're saying...i just felt like venting a bit :)

[HotRed]

I have my Fighter as my Main Character and the Cleric as my second and last Character here in Fiesta! ;)

Before, I hated most of the Clerics but time has past and learnt to like them, but not all until I have made my Cleric and now I love Clerics the most!

What I wanted to point out is try to make a Cleric so that you guys will know what it feels of being a Cleric! Period! ;)

Love us or hate us, it's all up to every individuals! ;)

[Rapman1489]

lol been there got bored, ive been looking at other classes to and i find the cleric one the most entertaining^^

glad i could "entertain" you...and forgive me for being rude like that...im sorry.

[_Rhen_]

glad i could "entertain" you...and forgive me for being rude like that...im sorry.
lol if ppl r nice it gets boring >.>
might as well move to mages now..

[Rapman1489]

yeah, i know what you're saying...i just felt like venting a bit :)

lol please vent somewhere else ...it gets dusty in here <.<

[GuanoSnoop]

hee hee ok, i know just where to blow the dust...*wanders to [website]*

ahh, there we go. :D

[_Rhen_]

lol nvmnd..i like mages too..

[Rapman1489]

hee hee ok, i know just where to blow the dust...*wanders to [website]*

ahh, there we go. :D

XD lol well im out of then forums. good nite all

[BlueberryCheescake]

Oh nooooos. xD Not again rofl. xD xD xD

zzzzz.. if you were told to heal it means you're not doing your job and you shouldnt be in a party at all >.< When in PARTY, you've got no excuse to say you want to have fun and play the game your style, do that when you're soloing but in party, the class roles come into play and you better do your part else you're just a useless member of the party aside from the buffs you give which they can easily get by finding someone else who knows how to play in a party.

zzzzzz.. D:

[yourmojo]

Well, I wrote a while ago that clerics can just play however they want. And they can, however after doing lots of KQs and a few parties I've found that it goes much smoother if the clerics heal.

If you are half decent player, you can still fight and heal the tank during regular walking, like searching for the key in gold hill. Just attack mobs on the tank and heal them, you won't take any damage...Most fighters don't really care about heals for then anyway. But when you get to the boss, heal the tank lol. Otherwise it'll end in catastrophy. We are the only class that can heal, afterall.

[Mariws]

From my point of view the only JOB clerics HAVE to do is heal the tank during KQ's. Other than that clerics can do whatever they want. I have a fighter and a cleric of the same level , and I must say that it's disturbing to use more than 40 stones in Gold Hill kq (pathetic, isn't it?) even though there are 3 clerics around. Maybe these clerics were "special". I respect all clerics for having the patience to go through hundreds of messages that contain the word "buff".
Keep up the good work and have fun while you're doing it!

[Colypso]

well if i were to tell a cleric to do they're job it would be because they are not healing or they're letting me die a lot while they try to hit the monster...nd its a faster way of typing it >.> and yeah i have an archer as a main..and my cleric is high lvl too

We dont have a "job" omg, if we were in AoE then yes, we heal, but just cuz 1 of OUR skills is to heal, dont mean its our job, a fighter has kick, does that mean its his job to kick every mon that he sees', no its not, like he said, our job is to have a great time playing a game, if you want heal so bad, than make a cleric and do it yourself. And yeah, "buff pls" is faster, but why you in a hurry? if you have time to use a buff, you have time to say, "will you please buff me?", be curtious and stop being rude.

[Jennifer7676]

we clerics have feelings too.we are kinda getting annoyed by "buff pls" now i hear buff me or buff >_> what happened to please or may you?

[Lythari]

People are going to be rude and direct in this game, as they are any other. That is just a fact of life that someday you will be forced to understand and accept. Complaining about it and whining is pointless because no matter how much you rant about it, you will still encounter it. Just because you have had some negative experiences doesn't mean that it merits such attention. Everyone who has played a cleric past lvl 25 has encountered this. You just have to either tolerate it or find another class to play.:)

[TestSubject]

I don't see why people get so upset when people are rude...just ignore them. Unlike in real life, you actually can ignore them.

KSing is more of a problem, but screenshots can usually take care of that.

[Colypso]

People are going to be rude and direct in this game, as they are any other. That is just a fact of life that someday you will be forced to understand and accept. Complaining about it and whining is pointless because no matter how much you rant about it, you will still encounter it. Just because you have had some negative experiences doesn't mean that it merits such attention. Everyone who has played a cleric past lvl 25 has encountered this. You just have to either tolerate it or find another class to play.:)

i dont want to be rude to you but, do you have a cleric? if you do you should know that clerics just want to play the game, and not have to worry about people calling them noobs, and flaming them when they dont heal, not like fighters do when they dont kick or do whatever, fighters rarely get called noobs, only if they refuse to kick during KQ or mock during AoE, and most fighters do those things, but a cleric is limited to what he can do, with maxed out cool down, my heal is about either less than or equal to 2 seconds, even with that we cant heall you as much as you want. We dont want people to flame us, we just want to be given respect considering clerics are the most important class, no offence to archers/mages/fighters, i have a char in all classes, but a cleric can tank, and an AoE can be done without a fighter or mage or archer, but if there is no cleric, there is no AoE, and if there is no cleric, there is on KQ, so can you just be a little bit more curdious?

[Santos1982]

We should all just work together to achieve our goals, and accomplish great tasks, and worry less about what a person can do, and can not do!

[_Rhen_]

We dont have a "job" omg, if we were in AoE then yes, we heal, but just cuz 1 of OUR skills is to heal, dont mean its our job, a fighter has kick, does that mean its his job to kick every mon that he sees', no its not, like he said, our job is to have a great time playing a game, if you want heal so bad, than make a cleric and do it yourself. And yeah, "buff pls" is faster, but why you in a hurry? if you have time to use a buff, you have time to say, "will you please buff me?", be curtious and stop being rude.
LMAO! WTH! u have multiple healing skills! i do have a cleric...the only fun u do have is in kq's so its all i use her for..and i can't heal my archer when im on my cleric. If u don't heal then why did u choose to be a cleric? If u wanna aoe so much choose an archer or a fighter...try using other classes first

[_Rhen_]

i dont want to be rude to you but, do you have a cleric? if you do you should know that clerics just want to play the game, and not have to worry about people calling them noobs, and flaming them when they dont heal, not like fighters do when they dont kick or do whatever, fighters rarely get called noobs, only if they refuse to kick during KQ or mock during AoE, and most fighters do those things, but a cleric is limited to what he can do, with maxed out cool down, my heal is about either less than or equal to 2 seconds, even with that we cant heall you as much as you want. We dont want people to flame us, we just want to be given respect considering clerics are the most important class, no offence to archers/mages/fighters, i have a char in all classes, but a cleric can tank, and an AoE can be done without a fighter or mage or archer, but if there is no cleric, there is no AoE, and if there is no cleric, there is on KQ, so can you just be a little bit more curdious?
fighters do complain the least out all the classes >.>
they're kind of the boss so im sure u wouldnt call ur boss a noob unless they did sumthin stupid

[booyah8876]

I don't talk to people that seriously don't ask nicely.

It's not my responsibility to buff people.

When I'm in AoE, then I heal.

The thing that annoys ME the most...

are the people that think "Well... I have a cleric, therefore I don't need to heal myself... because they're going to heal me, and I don't have to."

No.

If things are going slow, and are calm, heal yourself once in a while. I don't mind healing you, but don't let yourself die, then blame it on me for not healing you. gtfo my party, heal yourself, then I'll re-inv so you can't say that you had a cleric when you died.

Srsly.

[booyah8876]

LMAO! WTH! u have multiple healing skills! i do have a cleric...the only fun u do have is in kq's so its all i use her for..and i can't heal my archer when im on my cleric. If u don't heal then why did u choose to be a cleric? If u wanna aoe so much choose an archer or a fighter...try using other classes first

Are you telling me that the only fun I'm allowed to have is in KQ's? Because you're telling me what I have to do? Because you're lvl 66 like I am?


fighters do complain the least out all the classes >.>
they're kid of the boss so im sure u wouldnt call ur boss a noob unless they did sumthin stupid

You're obviously not in game enough in lvl 6x Battlegrounds, or FoS. Fighters are ALWAYS complaining. When they go out, and pull 15~20 stonies, and don't use stones because my 1100 HP heal every 2 seconds "will" keep them alive, they blame me on the death. Doing the math... if the AS hits them for oh... 3xx with T3 DEF scroll... that means they can probably take like 10 or so based on their health. I can use Heal, Restore, heal, Rejuv, then if I need to heal anymore, it's because Devastate wore off.

We heal.

People die.

It happens.

[_Rhen_]

Are you telling me that the only fun I'm allowed to have is in KQ's? Because you're telling me what I have to do? Because you're lvl 66 like I am?



You're obviously not in game enough in lvl 6x Battlegrounds, or FoS. Fighters are ALWAYS complaining. When they go out, and pull 15~20 stonies, and don't use stones because my 1100 HP heal every 2 seconds "will" keep them alive, they blame me on the death. Doing the math... if the AS hits them for oh... 3xx with T3 DEF scroll... that means they can probably take like 10 or so based on their health. I can use Heal, Restore, heal, Rejuv, then if I need to heal anymore, it's because Devastate wore off.

We heal.

People die.

It happens.
first of all i nvr said that "kq's r the only fun u r allowed to have " i said its mine.
fighters dont. do u see forums saying "fix the fighters!" like the archers lol

[PrincessVox]

lol This is fighting lol^^. It is being hard being a cleric, lol. But sometimes other classes demand so much on a Cleric like, let's say you have 2 mage, an archer, and a fighter with only 1 cleric in party. The hard part is that they are losing hp fast in an AoE mob and some players in party die. They blame the cleric of course. Sometimes the cleric can't heal fats enough. We have cooldowns also. The only with short short cooldown is heal and them sometimes party dies because its not fast enough. They still blame you. In other words mabye some memebers should us stone/pot to heal themselves when they see it's a tight jam on the cleric as it is lol. Not to be mean but i hate this-------->"buff plz"/"buff pls", the correct pronounciation is "May I have buff please" or Well i accept "Endure please". Made my point, please don't get mad at me lol^^. Still i don't mind "buff plz" every once in a while lol. It's only annoying after like 100 posts(Not Really, but close), the buff plz is annoying lol^^.

[Luna_Moore]

+1 Rep. :D

We do need a break.

We = Competent Clerics

[falikia]

Well i'm sorry, I never really thought about it that way...

I feel kind of guilty because i was one of those people who say Buff plz, and then I rarely say ty, I try and say it but sometimes I forget about it

Oh well thanks for pointing this out to me

[SoccerBash1627]

I agree. Is it so hard to ask nicely for a buff. I'm nice enough to buff people who say 'buff plz now' Right now though I'm thinking about not buffing people who don't ask politely. On the other hand, a cleric aoe is coming in the near future C:

[Number6]

this reminds me of that dungeon party i was in fight a fighter/mage/archer and me being the only cleric... tanker grabbed a pink mob couldnt keep aggro i use my aoe heal skill i pull some on me and while im trying to save the mage because fighter didnt mock she dies and i die because i was busy healing everyone else in party and then i get called names xD um yeah i was doing my "job" but the fighter slacked... and it was still all my fault :D yay i love this game.

[Kyo_Sama]

"A cleric's job"

In a party - heal the party.

solo - whatever the **** you want.

and that's that.
no, my job is to do whatever i think in neccesary to have fun and come out with the best chance for survival, this doesnt mean healing the party, cause quite frankly some tanks are weaker than mages... i mean they get 1 hit >.<

[Thasmudyan]

I agree, some people do have overly high expectations as to what a cleric can do. Even good clerics make mistakes, and of course other classes can help prevent death too. Remember, you don't have to pull the -whole- room if you've only got 1 cleric, people. If you, the cleric, do all you can to keep your party alive, and someone dies, it's not your fault. Most people I party with realize that.

That said, when you join a party, the goal of the party is to kill things as quickly and efficiently as possible. When things are dying fast, and the party is living, everyone's having fun. I have a blast in a good party, even if all I do is heal.

Party members dying slows down the killin' speed. Clerics healing helps prevent party death, thus keeping the monster corpse production team rolling. A cleric's role in a party is to heal because they do it much better than potions and stones do. If healing isn't needed, then a cleric can help kill, and that helps the party efficency; but if healing is needed, they should be ready to do that.

Now, a cleric can join a party and do whatever they like; after all, this is a game, and the goal is to have fun. However, if your party is constantly dying, and you are not healing when you could be, then guess what? Your party members are now not having fun. Dying is not fun.

I guess what I don't understand is: for those who don't find healing fun, why party as a cleric? If you want to kill in parties, any of the other three classes are a better choice to play. If you like the self-healing ability of the cleric, then go the solo route, or duo with a fighter (plenty of opportunities to both fight and heal).

Not trying to flame, just stating my viewpoint.

[richking14]

u know what i hate?:mad: when some fighter thinks im a heal bot and can do nothing else. saying things like "im ur tank, i die u all die." but thats not true, we can be alsome tanks too! self heal and we are smart enough to not totaly depend on our own heals. i always keep 15-20 ish stones and around 50 hp pots just in case. but they all have to depend of the lonley heal bot to heal them and when they die they blame it on u. they u die and they get pissed cuse theres no one around to res u ad u cant finish off the boss and SPLAT. all over ur face and u gota go find another party to lv with.

and to stay away fom thoese mobs of party members dieing every where and need heal all at once, i duo with a AoE, say archer(weaker than mages, but on the plus side archer=paper mages=rice paper XD. but at higher lv, both are fine XD)
and thats all i have to say XD

[Jakerock]

I have a level 8 cleric (yep, ima noob) and a 12 fighter. Well, on my cleric, even a noob like me gets rudely asked to heal. Whenever I hear that, I have a habbit of blocking the person so I can at least kinda ignore 'em.. On my fighter, I rarely ask clerics for anything. If I do, it's a "Hey [insert name here], can you please heal me?" Its that simple to be polote.

[CJ1Ever]

This is how i think, being a cleric is fun and nice; cuz i get a chance to heal them. And back to the about buff thing, i have no problem with people asking me "buff plz" cuz most of the time i found myself doing the same thing, maybe cuz is faster and less time consuming or maybe we are lazy bums or perhap cuz when we see a cleric moving in a fast pace and by the time you type the "can i have a buff" the cleric is gone. Im just happy to be a cleric and can buff people, believe it or not, when i reach lvl 47 on my cleric, i went to eld and buff all people on the map. It just feel good to be able to buff people, but what i dont' like is when they say something like buff me, or something that sound like a command.

I also came to a thread on how cleric are not getting the respect and stuff. I just wanted to say, u don't worry about a dam thing they say, as long you are doing the job you are good. When in party, i like to gain respect by showing them i can keep them alive n healthy. One thing about being on the role of cleric is able to know your skills and use it effective. You might think, what are you talking about, you just spam heal that's it, if they die, that's not your fault. Well, there is more to healing and timing and many things play on the role of your healing. I got so much to say and im lazy to type. Blah peace ^^

[GoldenWidow]

I haven't read all of this thread, so what I'm about to say very well could have already been said by someone else. --.--

"Our job?"

Hahaha...

You all do realize, there is literally no rule in the TOS of this game saying Clerics 'have' to heal anyone else but themselves..

Right?

In KQs, and whilst in a party. I do my damned best to keep everyone alive. Does this mean you as a party member, have the right to try and act immortal because you have a healer behind you?

Hell no.

If you're dumb enough to try and pull 30 or 40 mobs onto yourself, without the use of stones and or potions, and then expect me to single handedly keep you and a potential 4 other people; INCLUDING myself alive?

You're going to die, so get used to losing EXP.

When I solo and duo, I keep myself alive. When I'm on a map and I see someone who needs help, I help them out.

Am I going to help you if you're spamming for 'heal cleric', whilst I'M trying to keep MYSELF alive?

No.

You can flame me, you can try to train me. But when I take that screenshot and report you? Don't come crying to me.

Clerics, this is a point of advice I'd like to give you all right now;

If you ARE indeed in a party, and you're doing 'your job'. And you feel as if you're not getting respected whatsoever? If you feel as if the party is intentionally making this just a bit to much for one person to handle?

Let

Them

Die.

There will BE other parties and there will BE other chances to AOE/Grind/Participate in a KQ. These, are my personal opinions. If you for some reason take offense to these or disagree, good for you.

Don't expect my outlook to change.

Have a nice day :D

[brookking]

telling a cleric to do their job is the worst thing to do i think if some1 tells u to do ur "job" if ur a cleric quit the pty and let them die. i meen rely u dont have to take what they say if they dis u u let them die and walk away without another word

[Krys669]

we clerics have feelings too.we are kinda getting annoyed by "buff pls" now i hear buff me or buff >_> what happened to please or may you?
I get tired of "Dumb Cleric" If you have 15 people and all want healed, it is hard to keep up. I appall rudeness. I can't sit and click like an idiot while I get totaled either, if I die, then I guess you need your stones and pots. I'd like a please or a warning, not nagging or angry responses because I lagged and you forgot to hit the key to trigger your pots or stones. In talk of jobs, did we forget that healing ITEMS were there? I have to buy sp stones and pots to heal all of them and I never get ANY of the drops. How about some courtesy?

[Lythari]

telling a cleric to do their job is the worst thing to do i think if some1 tells u to do ur "job" if ur a cleric quit the pty and let them die. i meen rely u dont have to take what they say if they dis u u let them die and walk away without another word

Well, healing is a cleric's 'job'. They are the only healing class in the game. People will get frustrated, and may not always ask nicely; but it's the same in real life too. Leaving them to their own resources, however, is not a mature or proper way to handle it unless they are being persistently rude to you.


I get tired of "Dumb Cleric" If you have 15 people and all want healed, it is hard to keep up. I appall rudeness. I can't sit and click like an idiot while I get totaled either, if I die, then I guess you need your stones and pots. I'd like a please or a warning, not nagging or angry responses because I lagged and you forgot to hit the key to trigger your pots or stones. In talk of jobs, did we forget that healing ITEMS were there? I have to buy sp stones and pots to heal all of them and I never get ANY of the drops. How about some courtesy?

Well, unless you are the only cleric in every KQ you have ever done, the only reason all 15, 10, 20, or whatever people would want you to heal them is if the other clerics are neglecting their duties. One reason people get so pushy about healing is that lately, there has been a wave of clerics who don't even heal themselves and ask others to heal them. Try to bear that in mind next time. There are two sides to everything. Just remember that. What's to say that every cleric that person(s) partied with just leeched and didn't contribute? I've had more that a few of those. When using my archer, it's not so bad; but when I'm tanking, I can't always pot and stone fast enough to keep myself alive. Sure, I can prolong the inevitable, but it sure is annoying when I'm having to struggle to keep myself alive when there are four clerics just sitting there staring at me, sitting on the ground, or sitting in their houses. You have to remind yourself that there are clerics who neglect their responsibilities and give the rest of us a bad image. I always try to keep my party mates alive, but that isn't always how others play clerics.

Also, level has a thing to do with this. Once you get out of the early levels (about 25-30), the 'cleric hate' drops dramatically.

Now, can we let this go?

[jalen23]

Thats wat im talkin aobut they always tellin you wat to do and they never say plz its like they tellin you wat to do

[immortal1618]

well u gotta expect this kind of attitudes...but can u blame them, i mean we are the supportive class,everyone has thier jobs -warrior- tanks| -mages- do the damage |-archers-well i dont know xD | -clerics- heal/assist| but ppl also gotta help themselves, we cant do everything and if a fighter dies they blame us because we didnt heal, why cant they use pots.

[aleata]

well u gotta expect this kind of attitudes...but can u blame them, i mean we are the supportive class,everyone has thier jobs -warrior- tanks| -mages- do the damage |-archers-well i dont know xD | -clerics- heal/assist| but ppl also gotta help themselves, we cant do everything and if a fighter dies they blame us because we didnt heal, why cant they use pots.

I agree with you when you say that people also have to heal themselves. I think that sometimes, people take us clerics for granted. Like in parties for example, they healed themselves before we joined then, when we join, they think, "Oh, well, we have a cleric now, i guess i dont have to heal." Which is not true at all. If there are more then 2 people in a party, its hard to heal everyone. So, i was just saying that i agree with you. Also, i do believe that clerics can tank. I have messed up stats and i tank.:):D

[threewishes112]

telling a cleric to do their job is the worst thing to do i think if some1 tells u to do ur "job" if ur a cleric quit the pty and let them die. i meen rely u dont have to take what they say if they dis u u let them die and walk away without another word

Done and done my friend. Personally, there's nothing I hate more than being abused or ordered to be healed, which are one of the reasons I don't party and quest in huge groups. Basically, being told to do your job, isn't going to actually get the job done. Besides, most players have to understand that it's not a cleric's duty to heal, it's their right. If they don't get healed, they can't abuse and shout at a cleric. On top of that, they should have purchased some pots from stores if they are going to fight. Everyone should know better than to go into combat without pots.

-Threewishes112

[aleata]

Done and done my friend. Personally, there's nothing I hate more than being abused or ordered to be healed, which are one of the reasons I don't party and quest in huge groups. Basically, being told to do your job, isn't going to actually get the job done. Besides, most players have to understand that it's not a cleric's duty to heal, it's their right. If they don't get healed, they can't abuse and shout at a cleric. On top of that, they should have purchased some pots from stores if they are going to fight. Everyone should know better than to go into combat without pots.

-Threewishes112

You are absolutely right. It is not our job to heal, but as you stated, our rightto heal. And you are correct on another part as well, if someone yells at us clerics to heal constantly, then no matter how much they yell, it does not affect our healing. I am not putting the blame on anything, but when someone blames you for dying, i think 'Well, did they use any stones?' This is an issue that is always affecting clerics. We are getting blamed constatly just becuase people refuse to use thier stones? I think, that people think that when they party or quest with a cleric that it is somewhat of a free ride with healing. Which is not true. I am a cleric myself, and i have died trying to heal someone. And sometimes i heard, after a cleric healed someone,they died, but the other player got healed, but died soon after, then they blamed the cleric for their death. I just dont see how, it could be a clerics fault. :)

[princessna]

well u gotta expect this kind of attitudes...but can u blame them, i mean we are the supportive class,everyone has thier jobs -warrior- tanks| -mages- do the damage |-archers-well i dont know xD | -clerics- heal/assist| but ppl also gotta help themselves, we cant do everything and if a fighter dies they blame us because we didnt heal, why cant they use pots.

Thats what I thought. If I joined a party with people who are rude,

rude #1: Shout for heal when I'm busy (cool down, rev clerics because they need to be alive to rev other classes, healing others in the party or there are other monster attacking me which needed me to use stone to make sure I don't die.)

or they rely too much on my heal and expect me to focus on their HP bar only, I will just stop healing them and let them die. Or i will just die and leave. I don't stay in party that I would feel unhappy while playing, for what?! Do you play game to enjoy yourself or to be blame?

Seriously, I don't really care if they're dying or what. I just couldn't help someone who are rude and don't know how to appreciate our kindness. What did we get in the end? We get all the BLAMES for not rev because we're on cool down or busy healing tank, we get blames because of your stupidy for not using potion and then die.

I don't need to be told on what to do, I just want to be happy playing games. I choose cleric not because I want to be told on what to do, I chose cleric because I want to help the party and have fun in the process of teamwork, and to be exact, helps A GOOD PARTY that know how to appreciate me.

A simple "ty" or "thanks" from tanker or the others would make my day.

[Dealin420]

Yesterday my cleric was lvl46 so i decided to try MD kq hardcore just for fun since my friend said the exp is awsome. Well when we got there there were only 2 clerics. Then when people found out i couldnt buff they started to whisper my friend things like "tell him that this kq is for people lvl50+ or can buff". I was called a noob the whole KQ even tho i was doing my "job" -.- then at the end i got aggroed from MD with 10 people all shouting "rev noob!". Well at least we finished KQ (exp is good ^^) and shortly after that i finally lvled up to 47 woot. But people like this really make me mad cant the other classes just give us a dang break? What I've noticed is that when things go wrong clerics always get blamed... its pretty pathetic that other classes cant have more respect...

[spasticsam]

ight look, im a cleric...lvl 51 and im sick of all these cleric threads in the forums.
mostly becuz there all dising the role of the cleric. people who say "do your job". what job? im here to play a game.
im not worried about you unless your a friend or someone who is polite.

im really sick of all these effin' people running up and spaming my whisper or normal chat with "buff plz".
is your vocab so horrible your cant type "may i have a buff please?" <---that makes me want to buff you.

..on a side note.. a cleric AOE attack would be awesome...back on point.

anyway, people with mains that are fighters, mages, or archers. you dont have a high lvl cleric, give us a break dam.

all i want is some slack.

I agree and wish to enhance this further with my own opinion (you don't have to agree......after all, it's only MY opinion here).

It doesn't cost anything to be polite and the rewards are far greater if you are (ie) you are more likely to get the heal/buff that you want by asking nicely. For the rude people......remember this, just because you want something does not mean that the other person is obligated to carry out your wishes...especially when you can't be civil and polite to them in the first place. If you don't want people being rude to you then don't be rude to others yourself please, common sense really.

As for the "do your job" thing...yeah that really irks me, especially when the people saying that DON'T have a cleric char themselves. Clerics, like any class, have generic stats and abilities to a certain point, but each player specs, enhances gear and plays their char differently and part of the "healing job" for a good cleric is to observe the other player's (in their party) fighting style so that we can heal them appropriately (while still doing all the other things we need to do at the same time).

I have a tendency to create one of each char so I can see what skills they have and how to combat them on the other classes I play. Now I know that not everyone will want to do that but at least it gives me an "informed" opinion when I'm critiquing other players. If you're the kind of player that likes hurling abuse at clerics for "not doing their jobs" and you've never played a cleric before then realistically you don't really know what you are talking about.

[OIVIegA]

lol, i saw cleric aoe attack was preety dope, i thank silkypico for that ^^ but uhm.. well i don't mind healing and doing what the other classes wants us to do, such as in the kq and stuff. Because after all, we are "Supportive" Paladins, we are there to support them, thats just the way it is.

[blurie]

lol This is fighting lol^^. It is being hard being a cleric, lol. But sometimes other classes demand so much on a Cleric like, let's say you have 2 mage, an archer, and a fighter with only 1 cleric in party. The hard part is that they are losing hp fast in an AoE mob and some players in party die. They blame the cleric of course. Sometimes the cleric can't heal fats enough. We have cooldowns also. The only with short short cooldown is heal and them sometimes party dies because its not fast enough. They still blame you. In other words mabye some memebers should us stone/pot to heal themselves when they see it's a tight jam on the cleric as it is lol.

Alright sometimes i might blame myself for not able to heal that fast enough to save mages from dying.. espeically when they do not have blessing of Tevas.. I'll ask my party members if they are teva-ed. If they are not I'll try to heal them if possible. Depending on situtions who should i heal 1st.

Why complain clerics in a AOE party? Everyone plays a part to keep everyone safe. For E.g, Warrior, would u go for a small lure if ur team members keep dying or continue with ur BIG Lure? Are mages and archers doing AOE dmg within the warrior's stuns?

I'll tell them off if they make remarks on us like not healing them etc.. "Cant u use stones?"

We are just a support class.. If there is only 1 cleric in party and you are unable to take the mobs, take a small lure at a time. We are only able to Heal 1 at a time and doing 1 AOE heal at a time. Complain less and use stones.

That would make us enjoy the game more.

You may read my thread on this..
http://outspark.com//forums/showthread.php?t=78584

[ofbraindoiLack]

All classes have certain "roles" they play.
Fighters either take damage or deal it.
Mages deal damage[and pull].
Archers deal damage and pull.
Clerics can heal, deal damage, and even take damage.

Anyone can take any job if they put their minds to it, but clerics are the only ones that can really support the party and, although this mindset seems to be declining, are appreciated for doing so.

Really, it all depends on what YOU, the cleric, want to do. If you want to fight and heal, find a party that will allow, or even expect, you to do so. If you want to just fight and keep yourself alive...then solo, because finding a party who'll accept that is a rare thing. If you want to take damage, clank, but you'll have to be patient because you won't be able to clank well until your late 5Xs/early 6Xs[there are, of course, exceptions]. But keep in mind that sometimes you just have to put up with it and heal, because clerics are a support class and that's what we're good at; healing, and fighting when push comes to shove.[this mostly applies to KQs and boss/dungeon quests. Grinding allows more versatile party options.]

I do remember a day when clerics were revered and thanked for helping when, really, there's no positive repercussions for us. I hear people complaining that clerics are becoming "snobby", but that's hardly the case. It's those that don't say "thanks" or "please" when we go out of our way to buff or even heal random strangers that are causing the cleric class to become jaded with helping, because there's really no reason we should be doing it if no one is bothering to appreciate it.

Healing in a party who expects you to heal is a whole different story, though. If you don't heal others for whatever reason, say so, but never EVER expect a pleasant reaction. I can't stress this enough: clerics, no matter what you do, will always be a support class. If you want to fight without being expected to heal, be a soloer, or a different class. Don't like either of the options? Be prepared for constant criticism...

[omenra]

i agree that clerics do have to support the party, but i honestly prefer to stay out of parties with random people now, because there are some real jerks out there who believe that our only job is to be a heal slave, and spam heal the whole time. and (god forbid) if you can't heal them all at the same time because they are all getting damage done at the same time, you get yelled at, followed by a "rev me". (yes it can be my fault sometimes, but at least don't be a complete jerk about it, everyone makes mistakes)
what happened to please?
so for now, i stick with the guildies and friends ^^ (this ends up workin out better in the end anyways)

[couchpotato013]

I'm only level 31, so I don't get "buff plz" harassment yet.

About the "do your job" thing. While it isn't our JOB, it is our ROLE. When I have a fighter in the party, I expect him to fight. Imagine going into Golden Hill and partying with a bunch of fighters, only to see them mine ores while archers and mages fight.

At first, I will heal and rev everyone in my party and others around me. I don't mind being called names, because I have reasons for doing what I do.

If I don't rev you, it's either cooldown, I can't find out where you are because you didn't tell me (probably ran far away with a monster on you and died on the otherside of the map), or you've died many times before and I'm tired of seeing you. Or that someone is more important than you and gets the rev instead.

If I don't heal you, then there's a reason for that. If you're an archer or a mage, enemies shouldn't be on you and you shouldn't be on the front line. Control your damage and stop taking agro. If you're on the front line alot, then I will ignore you. If you're a fighter and I don't heal you, its because your mobbing when you aren't supposed to. Kill one on one, as you aren't able to kill multiple enemies. If you're a cleric and I don't heal you, its because you're either stupid or acting as a battlecleric and refusing to heal yourself. Pretty much, if you mob in a KQ repeatedly (and you aren't capable of mobbing), I will let you die. If you're stupid, I will let you die. If we get the key in Golden Hill KQ and you continue to go forward, I will head towards the door and laugh at you while your HP drops.

If you die during a (mini)boss battle during KQ, odds are i wont revive you unless you are:
In my party
THE best tank (or atleast the tank everyone agreed upon)
a cleric with the revive skill

Why? Those 3 types have the highest priority. Fighters and clerics > archers and mages. If I'm going to play my "job" and heal, I expect others to do the same. Clerics heal, fighters tank and kill, archers and mages sit back, STFU, and sneak in a few hits without the enemy taking notice or go mine some ores. Archers have a skill called nature's protection. if you don't use your special skill, I won't use mine.

The only people that should be dieing during a KQ boss battle are fighters (from tanking and being in the monsters AOE) and clerics (aggro from healing). Either way, if someone dies, it's their own fault (you have pots, and you pulled aggro) for not being smart enough to survive.

There is a difference between a cleric being at fault/dumb, and a cleric playing God/Darwin.

Before you think a cleric is dumb, see if he thinks your dumb.

[flashsmith]

I just logged on with my cleric, and the first thing I hear is, "heal." I don't find that enough for me to want to even think of healing them. How people define a clerics job is a great problem area in Fiesta. :(

[missylex]

i love this post. yes clerics need a break

i heal when i can. and i really hate it when people dont even wanna use their own pots and stones and expect clerics to heal all of them at the same time. then if they die, they blame on the clerics. ***? we have use our own pots and stones if we get attacked when we're healing them -_-
and thats the reason why im a tanker cleric and solo most of the time.
but sometimes i aoe party with my guildies/friends ^_^

and forget "may i please" . some people can even say "please" >.<
i really get tired of that too.

anyway. to all the fighers, archers and mages who hate clerics, BE A CLERIC. and you will understand.

[RikoRain]

Well, there are very fine points.
Id understand if they get mad when theyre dying alot, but we dont have hammers/maces for the prettiness of it. Theyre for use. I hate having to stand back and heal so much, especially in duos/trios. In full parties, and Im the only cleric (happens alot), YES I will back off and purely heal, but thats not my job. My job is to help the pt/ppl best I can and have fun in the game. If that means using bash between heals, hell yea.

[DincaTinel]

i totaly agree with u we are here to play a game and have lots of fun :D

[flowersss]

For me being a fighter, and never taking on the role of a cleric...I have too agree 100% with you.

People need to treat clerics like their people, not healing/buffing bots -.- It's almost ridiculous....they can't even take the time out too add 4 more letters too 'pls'. I don't blame you guys for not buffing us....I'd be fed up too.

[xena99]

I have found an interesting correlation between parties looking for clerics and groups which should be avoided like the plague. Random party groups have seldom turned out well for me, some are maniacs and some have no idea about what a cleric can or cannot do. I'd now rather solo than party with anyone I don't know or isn't a friend of a friend.

So far I have found great parties and have a list of friends I will happily play with--most of whom I will disrupt my plans to help with their quests. From parties with friends I have identified others I am happy to play with and others who I will never party with again.

Players of class 50 or above who do not have friends who are clerics to buff them, probably shouldn't be buffed by anyone. If they had friends they'd never need a buff and if they don't, will probably behave like jerks if denied a random buff when they demand one--which I have found to be true. If the buffee actually had any cleric friends, he'd likely request help from a stranger in a nice and respectful way.

I find random mages, archers and fighters are best avoided-- most are soloing for a reason. Parties without clerics are likely without clerics for a reason. Clerics beware.

[Mairc]

most common sentence stupid players say:
"heal you noob!"

I also hate people in KQ who say "heal plz" while in a fight, and with at least half HP...do they really think we aren't watching them? jeez...

I think I usually do a good job, and when I can't do it, it's because I'm having bad lag...when I'm on a party doing full support, my main concern is other players, not really me...

Once I kept a whole party alive, alone, in Robo, and all party buddies said in the end: "amazing job, man! we need more clerics like that", or something like that. I think they were the best party I've ever had, trully good each one of them! that KQ was hard for me, my eyes hurted like hell in the end (LOL, really!), but at least they valued my "job", as I valued theirs.

this is my main example that justifies why I think I'm a reasonably good cleric. among other examples :p

so I don't really like when people don't believe in my skills or don't value them...

and I speak for most of the good clerics when saying this...

[Celtic_Princess]

yup...more cleric dissers man..

Hey you, still using my old targe shield? Hurry up and catch me Rap <3

[Jakerock]

I totally agree that we get pushed around a bit, but when I was in a KQ once, I was the only cleric besides this really low lv who had no idea what he was doing.
Every single person yelled and got mad at me cus "ALL OF THE CLERICS" couldnt do their job. They found out it was pretty much just me there, and got more mad. WHY DIDN'T YOU INVITE FRIENDS TO HELP????? It made me sick. Then a really nice fighter came up and said "Hey wait guys! I have a high level cleric. I know what its like. none of you do. What if he was to quit this thing? wouldnt you all fail it? You need him. He will do his best to help, but do what we can with one [and a half] clerics. Heal yourself!"
That made me happy.
But the idea is that we get pushed around alot for no reason at all. If I decide not to heal anyone, they would al die and the KQ would fail. People need do learn that a support cleric is the hardest job in a 5 person party! (or even only with one other person, its still tough!)

Edit: Hey princess, I keep seeing you around these forums ^^