A Lot Less Weapon and Armor destruction!

[Walkingeagle]

I love the game play, but it is rediculous that you can spend 1000's on a weapon or armor and lose it so easily. The cost of special stones and battles for them make it hard to get anywhere with refining. Not only do we lose the 5s worth of stone or lix, but we lose all the the*stones and*lix*we have already used. And we lose our weapon*or armor. That is too high of a price for a chance of upgrading by 1-3 points. I (and just about every one else), spend most of my time trying to get money to replace armor and weapons.*If I have to spend real $$$ on weapons and lose them,*I will not play the game. I think losing our stones*and lix's is bad enough. HOW MANY OF YOU AGREE WITH ME?

[Vadermods]

i agree but i mean then everyone would just be walking around with +9 bows and weapons and wut not and it would be pointless to even have them because its suppose to be hard so you see less and less people with them and thats wut makes the weapons rare and worth a lot of money

[Walkingeagle]

DESTRUCTION COULD HAPPEN LESS. OR THEY COULD AT LEAST MAKE ALRUES AND LIX'S A LITTLE EASIER TO GET.*I DONT WANNA SPEND EVERY DAY JUST STRIVING TO GET MONEY FOR A NEW WEAPON. I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD A PET OR BETTER WEAPONS AND ARMOR.*I DIDNT REALIZE THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME WAS TO GET A PRETTY WEAPON. BUT, THATS ABOUT ALL THATS HAPPENING.

[bledcyan]

"real $$$ on weapons and lose them"


man.. if the pay store becomes mostly items that actually change game play i'm probably leaving anyway.


maybe not, but it creates an unfair playing ground.. Almost as much of one as with all you kids w/ all your spare time :p





As for refining.. yeah.. it's a lot like taking a sharp stick in an unpleasant place.. but we really don't want everyone to be walking around with reall high end stuff.


Though the +6 out of king slime makes you kind of think you should get a +6 without breaking 5-6 +5s first..* maybe they should just change the slime one to a +4 so you don't get so spoiled.*

[Walkingeagle]

LIKE I SAID, IT MAKES THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME TO GET A PRETTY WEAPON. JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IS FIGHTING TO GET THE MONEY TO REFINE OR REPLACE A WEAPON OR ARMOR THAT HAS BEEN DESTROYED.

[Walkingeagle]

OH YEAH, I DONT THINK THAT A WEAPON OR ARMOR WITH 5 MORE ATTACK OR DEFENCE MAKES MUCH DIFFERENCE WHEN YOUR UP AGAINST AN ENEMY WITH 1000+ HP. SO I WOULDNT CALL THAT REAL HIGH END.

[bledcyan]

lol.. the first 3 plus's are relatively mild.. but the added damage and defense are on a bell curve.. The more +s you have.. The more you get out of it.





And you'd be surprised what +5 defense can do for a tank.


As for damage.. I have to tone my damage down on my archer to prevent myself from pulling agro off of tanks at my level... A few of the bad ones I have to pause my firing and spam nature's protection.. even if all i'm doing is auto shot. So yeah.. your build and weapon plus's do make a difference.


The lvl 15 +6 sword adds 21 damage to it's damage range of 19-33. That pretty much doubles it's average damage range. The weapon is a 1.1 sec delay weapon. That means every 11 seconds, you add 210 damage that you wouldn't normally be doing..That is pretty signifigant (sure, defense caves that down a lot, but you get the point I hope.)


but.. if you really don't think it makes a big difference, and don't want to spend the money to have a "shiny" weapon.. then don't.

[Walkingeagle]

I GUESS YOU GUYS ARNT HAVING AS BAD OF LUCK AS SOME OF US. BY THE TIME I GET MY WEAPON OR ARMOR UP TO +3 OR 4, A HIGHER LEVEL ITEM IS AVAILABLE AND I DONT HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT. YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR NICE EQUIPMENT. OF COURSE YOUR HAPPY ABOUT IT. SOME OF US HAVE LOST DOZENS OF ITEMS AND END UP DEAD BROKE WITH NO SHIELD. IM LEVEL 22 ALSO, AND I HAVNT BEEN ABLE TO GET MORE THAN A +5 ON A WEAPON OR A +4 ON ARMOR. AND IM AFRAID TO TRY ANYMORE. I DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO REPLACE ANYTHING, AND I HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO SELL. MOST OF MY FRIENDS ARE IN THE SAME POSITION. ITS EASY TO BE POSITIVE WHEN YOUR NOT ON THE LOSING SIDE OF THINGS.

[bledcyan]

Please turn off caps lock..


We are all having as bad as luck.. it's very frustrating.. I don't have the money for it either.. I've got several characters trying to make money to support one.. Thats just the way it is.


If you'll honestly look around your going to find that the people int he 20s with higher than +5 weapons are not that many. The +6s you see are frequently the +6 that drops in the king slime KQ.. so in-ohter words they are using out dated gear.





Lets see.. my fighter went broke as I was leveling him.. I didn't have the money after 20 to buy his gear.. nor his skills.. I finally saved up and bought the skills.. tried to get an ok sword..


broke 3 swords at +5 right off of the bat.. using blessed.. That was after i'd killed a few shields just trying to get +3.. Then I had some bad KQs.. burnt through potions.. stones.. scrols.. it's flippin expensive to tank I tell ya.. especially when there are so many horrible players running around (can't a brother get some heals?)


If you've seen the near 7s price tag on the fighters sword, and do the math on the blesseds.. you'll see that it was very very expensive.





Yes it hurts.. yes it's painful. But the point of it is, not everyone is supposed to have these items. it's a rarity that is supposed to be earned through hard work or a rewards system.




Sorry.. thats just the way it is.





I do believe there should be some changes made to it, but not necessarilly the same ones you are thinking likely. The #1 thing I believe that should happen is a reduction in the price of the level 20 gear. No, i'm not saying make every piece worth a silver, but I am saying balance it out a bit.


For one thing, the archers bow and the mages weapons are relatively cheap (3-4 silver).. The fighters sword weighs in at about 7 silver.. and then you still need to buy a shield.. A bit messed up regardless of the extra materials that went into fabrication of those pieces.


So.. Look at my change list, see what you think.. add a comment and if you make a valid point I might add it to my suggestions list.. I try to keep it rolling and fairly up to date.. And hopefully someone out there is taking some of it seriously.

[rakimon]

I would prefer that they make elure and lix harder to farm than to destory the weapons totally.


My suggestion: if a refinement failed, the level of the weapon decreases. Don't destroy the weapons!!


It's*upsetting to see them gone.

[elfreakyfrog]

I would prefer that they make elure and lix harder to farm than to destory the weapons totally.

My suggestion: if a refinement failed, the level of the weapon decreases. Don't destroy the weapons!!


It's*upsetting to see them gone.


I totally agree with that...and like the idea

[Joffetomten]

Cmon! It's not supposed to be easy to get a +9 weapon. a +9 weapon does more than double damage. If everybody would be running around with it it wouldn't be fun! And if your having trouble with money... go out and kill monster... you don't get rich in 10 minutes. You got to work for it,

[Joffetomten]

Cmon! It's not supposed to be easy to get a +9 weapon. a +9 weapon does more than double damage. If everybody would be running around with it it wouldn't be fun! And if your having trouble with money... go out and kill monster... you don't get rich in 10 minutes. You got to work for it,

[Joffetomten]

Cmon! It's not supposed to be easy to get a +9 weapon. a +9 weapon does more than double damage. If everybody would be running around with it it wouldn't be fun! And if your having trouble with money... go out and kill monster... you don't get rich in 10 minutes. You got to work for it,

[lullabies]

I would prefer that they make elure and lix harder to farm than to destory the weapons totally.


My suggestion: if a refinement failed, the level of the weapon decreases. Don't destroy the weapons!!


It's upsetting to see them gone.








Agreed.





And agreed that there should be a lot less weapon/armour breaking when enhancing.


Suggestions to make it up:


(like rakimon said) stones harder to farm.


Very very low chance of desutrction (there's still a possibility so that it doesn't fail that bad, but a much lower chance), BUT, also a lowered chance of success. That way it evens out; you waste your money/time on making erules (this'd be a waste of time if it was a lot harder to farm COUGHCOUGH*), doesn't work, either downgrades or stays the same. ;x


I think I wasted 20s+ total just on level 20 weapons because I wanted to upgrade. AND MOST OF THEM FAILED ON FIRST TRY, which I think is absolutely ridiculous.

[thundernate]

freakin' SIGNED. losing weapon/armor that costs many s each is heartbreaking. ESPECIALLY for the casual player just going for a +3. I


just lost my *2nd* lvl 20 shirt - first on try #3... second on try #1. I am now broke and will probably stop playing altogether.


there needs to be some changes to the system; those made in this thread previously have my "blessing."