Just a quick thought on Full Dex

[Kunminshin]

Obviously at this point in the game Full Dex isn't that great unless you're gonna grind on yellow mobs all day....haha that was almost funny. Anyway, I have always put thought into my build based on the future and not the current cap.

Future (very long time from now) will be LV 150 I assume. Taking a third level up into consideration, giving another 15 stats points (assuming). Add that plus 15 points frrom the first 2 level ups and 150 for all levels, this leaves us with 180 points. We get .2% for every point into Dex up to 50 points. After that the bonus drops to .1%. The math works out to a total of 23% increase in Evasion.

Lets just say our evasion at level 150 is 2000. A jump to 2460 is pretty nice.

This of course is true only if we reach LV 150 cap (I heard that is the eventual max cap)

Also keep in mind that devoting 50 points to Dex gives you 10% evasion boost. Making an eventual CC LV 150 build look like...+50 Dex +25 SPR +105 STR. We obviously have the ability to make a +50 Dex rest ??? build but as we know +10% with our current cap and evasion isn't a big benefit which is why +50 Dex or more would be a build for the future.

This same arguement can also hold true for full SPR Builds. The total crit from free stats at LV 150 would be 20.5% + 14% from completed licensed Weapon + 15% from Crit suit + 4% from earings (assuming it will get that high min by that level) = 53.5% vs everyone elses 38%. Also an extra 90 M Def and 900 sp wouldn't hurt either

Just thinking out loud and very far into the future about 2 Full Builds that aren't so good now but might be great in the future.

[komoku.]

While I'm not full dex [I am 25 spr, rest dex], dex is a great stat for people who solo often. Obviously, I dodge a lot against yellow mobs, but I find I dodge a fair amount against oranges, and occasionally against reds. So I can only imagine how it is like for a pure dex build. While working on my orc lic throughout my 5x levels, dodging 1+ hits [usually more than 1 btw] per orc really made life easier on the wallet for stones. The only problem with evasion is that it really is a hit or miss kind of thing. At times you'll dodge every hit from a mob, other times none XD. Not trying to argue or anything, just stating that current dex builds does have its merits. Although I will say that the current dex stat should really get an improvement somehow.

I'd also like to point out that nobody knows how dex REALLY works. Sure it says it adds a percentage to aim and evasion, but it never really says in what way. Maybe they do some crazy compounding here n' there [not suggesting it does, but as an example]. Just like how the damage bonus from str is supposed to ignore defence, even though it isn't really stated anywhere officially. So that is also something to keep in mind.

And something interesting about pure spr builds which I saw in the mage forums:
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63399

[Kunminshin]

Currently Full Dex isn't horrible but it is no where near any of the other builds is what Im trying to get at.

It isn't hard to see that it adds an exact % to your total Evasion including any evasion added from Dex statted equips and buffs. I myself have figured that out.

At level 45 with full Dex Equips you will probably float around 300ish evasion. Now Full Dex at that point adds 10% taking you up to 330. This is not a big change but like I said at an eventual possible LV 150 23% of 1500-2000 evasion (guessing) is a great and helpfull increase.

The post you pasted about Full SPR builds was a bunch of random people talking about Full SPR builds at LV 79. My opinion has nothing to do with that. Full SPR Build would not be too good at LV 79 (same as Dex), however at a LV 150 it would shine giving you and extra 15.5% crit over anyone else with 25 SPR rest ??? build.

[Gravvi]

i was dex end spr build but recently switched to full dex. I dunno if it was me but evasion and aim didnt' change. I went from 25 dex to 81 dex. Well the % # changed but it didn't actually do anything. Yes 13.1% should alter your aim by about 50 depending on your actual dex.

I was told tho that the dex is currently bugged? So atm i wouldn't reccomend it. But i think as far as builds go full dex will be amazing at any lvl. If you go with dex equips as well.

THe higher your base number the more evasion u get from adding dex :P

[whitecrowe]

I'm actually not sure if going full of either would be worthwhile. Full spr under the best circumstances would be 50% crit, but only 900sp and 90 mdef at level 150.. But bow speed and crit rate might surpass full str classes with a measly 200 or so extra damage.

Full dex would be a killer, but if people are dependent on AoE now would that dex be useful for anything but pvp? At levels such as those I doubt you could get 1% in a whole week of soloing and you wouldn't exactly be a damage dealing king or anything.

Any ideas of a good point to split one stat and start the other?

[darknessprevails]

in my opinion adding points to dex is useless. i personally see no change.

[whitecrowe]

Because you have 25 skill points out of the 180 being discussed and because dex supposedly works as a %. So 10% of 100 evasion is 10 extra and the difference is nonexistant at such a low level.

I don't have much dex besides on equipment and I dodge fairly well against harken compared to when I used npc garbage.

[geckotis]

Lets see:

Going full spr for the chance of higher crits? Solved via cash shop (7 bucks a month is affordable). The Mdef is a nice side bonus, but it hardly the focal point, since mages go full int you wont be reducing damage at all.
Conclusion: Full Spr is somewhat for the players who cant afford cash shop.

Going full dex for the chance to dodge? Yea like the author said, Dex isnt working. It has the worse benefits besides going full int. Rather kill faster than play around dodging. If you are solely doing this for pvp reasons, mages wont hesistate to pop aim scrolls to take you out.
Conclusion: Dex is broken, so its a no go for now

As of now outspark is really forcing archers in one direction.

[komoku.]

Currently Full Dex isn't horrible but it is no where near any of the other builds is what Im trying to get at.

It isn't hard to see that it adds an exact % to your total Evasion including any evasion added from Dex statted equips and buffs. I myself have figured that out.

At level 45 with full Dex Equips you will probably float around 300ish evasion. Now Full Dex at that point adds 10% taking you up to 330. This is not a big change but like I said at an eventual possible LV 150 23% of 1500-2000 evasion (guessing) is a great and helpfull increase.


Sorry, guess I should have elaborated more. Indeed, +dex from greens/rings/earrings/etc, you can see adds some points to your evasion in your character screen. But dex from free stat does not. So my point was, since it doesn't show you directly how free stat dex affects your evasion, you can't say 100% that it just simply adds a % onto your current aim/evasion, as many assume it does. Just like how str free stat has the unique property of ignoring defense which is not officially documented anywhere, maybe dex free stat also has a unique property. Nobody knows, but I would strongly think it does. After all: End has +block rate, Spr has + crit rate, Str has ignore def, and I think Int has ignore mdef. So its no far stretch that dex also has some sort of special property. That was the point I was trying to raise; just some food for thought.



The post you pasted about Full SPR builds was a bunch of random people talking about Full SPR builds at LV 79. My opinion has nothing to do with that. Full SPR Build would not be too good at LV 79 (same as Dex), however at a LV 150 it would shine giving you and extra 15.5% crit over anyone else with 25 SPR rest ??? build.


Sorry, guess I should have elaborated/pointed out the interesting part in this too. If you fully read the first post, the full spr mage notes that after lv60, it takes 2 free stat spr points to add 0.1% crit. If that is true, then that really devalues the worth of a full spr build.

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As for stats, I believe any archer should add at least 25 spr. The 5% crit is too good a bonus to turn down. If you've ever used a weapon with a complete license, a crit suit, or even that bunny tail we got a while back, you can tell 5% is a lot. After that, I say str if you want to do pvp, aoe, or use a bow. Dex if you want to solo. Full spr if you really like those crits, but not really recommened, especially after reading that link to the mage forums I gave.

[lightningmystix]

The one good thing I see about DEX is it's based on percentage~ o:

STR doesn't base on percentage, so unless you add more onto it, it seems to get less and less useful the higher up you go. While DEX is based off of how much evasion/aim you have in the first place.

[Kunminshin]

i was dex end spr build but recently switched to full dex. I dunno if it was me but evasion and aim didnt' change. I went from 25 dex to 81 dex. Well the % # changed but it didn't actually do anything. Yes 13.1% should alter your aim by about 50 depending on your actual dex.

I was told tho that the dex is currently bugged? So atm i wouldn't reccomend it. But i think as far as builds go full dex will be amazing at any lvl. If you go with dex equips as well.

THe higher your base number the more evasion u get from adding dex :P

You are correct. I just did my own test on it yesterday. I do know it originally wasn't bugged (from what I remember). However, for right now the Dex is bugged and does not add to either Aim or Evasion unfortunately.

I also found that +5 STR on equips is equal to +1 STR from Free stats. Dunno if thats a bug either or if it's the way they planned it.

[Kunminshin]

I'm actually not sure if going full of either would be worthwhile. Full spr under the best circumstances would be 50% crit, but only 900sp and 90 mdef at level 150.. But bow speed and crit rate might surpass full str classes with a measly 200 or so extra damage.

Full dex would be a killer, but if people are dependent on AoE now would that dex be useful for anything but pvp? At levels such as those I doubt you could get 1% in a whole week of soloing and you wouldn't exactly be a damage dealing king or anything.

Any ideas of a good point to split one stat and start the other?

As far as SPR is concerned, by LV 150 and extra 15.5 % crit is killer.

For Dex you are right. I am a solo/pvp player myself so i guess it depends on your play style. If you look though I did mention that and eventual cookie cutter build might be 25 SPR for 5% crit, 50 Dex for 10% Evasion increase and 105 STR so you wont diminish as a DD. If this is a build you will eventually look forward too then go 25 SPR rest STR for now and wait til they fix Dex to fit in your last 50 points

[Kunminshin]

Lets see:

Going full spr for the chance of higher crits? Solved via cash shop (7 bucks a month is affordable). The Mdef is a nice side bonus, but it hardly the focal point, since mages go full int you wont be reducing damage at all.
Conclusion: Full Spr is somewhat for the players who cant afford cash shop.

Going full dex for the chance to dodge? Yea like the author said, Dex isnt working. It has the worse benefits besides going full int. Rather kill faster than play around dodging. If you are solely doing this for pvp reasons, mages wont hesistate to pop aim scrolls to take you out.
Conclusion: Dex is broken, so its a no go for now

As of now outspark is really forcing archers in one direction.

Does a Tank still use defense scrolls? Will a Full SPR still buy Crit suites? Like I said in the first post.....53.5% vs 38%. The % is not based on the fact that 38% will hit that % of the time. That is just your chance of success. Same hold true with 53.5 % but I'm a poker player myself and I'd rather have a race than be dominated. You may say there's not a big deal from 38 to 53.5 but the same hold true about 23 and 38, yet you will still buy the crit suite every month.

Yes Dex is bugged for now. No one uses scrolls in PVP. Guild Wars yes. Again it depends on your playing style.

[Kunminshin]

Sorry, guess I should have elaborated more. Indeed, +dex from greens/rings/earrings/etc, you can see adds some points to your evasion in your character screen. But dex from free stat does not. So my point was, since it doesn't show you directly how free stat dex affects your evasion, you can't say 100% that it just simply adds a % onto your current aim/evasion, as many assume it does. Just like how str free stat has the unique property of ignoring defense which is not officially documented anywhere, maybe dex free stat also has a unique property. Nobody knows, but I would strongly think it does. After all: End has +block rate, Spr has + crit rate, Str has ignore def, and I think Int has ignore mdef. So its no far stretch that dex also has some sort of special property. That was the point I was trying to raise; just some food for thought.



Sorry, guess I should have elaborated/pointed out the interesting part in this too. If you fully read the first post, the full spr mage notes that after lv60, it takes 2 free stat spr points to add 0.1% crit. If that is true, then that really devalues the worth of a full spr build.

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As for stats, I believe any archer should add at least 25 spr. The 5% crit is too good a bonus to turn down. If you've ever used a weapon with a complete license, a crit suit, or even that bunny tail we got a while back, you can tell 5% is a lot. After that, I say str if you want to do pvp, aoe, or use a bow. Dex if you want to solo. Full spr if you really like those crits, but not really recommened, especially after reading that link to the mage forums I gave.

I understand where you're coming from you first statement. We all think it's bugged but maybe it does have properties we are unaware of. However through testing we are pretty sure it's just bugged.

Sorry, I just scanned through the post so I didn't catch that part. If that is true then yes a full SPR build would not be worth it.

In short, Outspark needs to fix any glitches on stat points and skills. These are the 2 things we can do to alter our characters for free the first time around. Or when they do fix these things they need to offer us free reset points. I myself know the pain of remaking a character time and time again because of not using the store and being unsatisfied with my build, and then starting the use of the store and spending hundreds of dollars on reset points for my own testing purposes because Outspark can't seem to get them right.

[yukping]

<--- was dex(20)/spr (25) build
<--- now str(19)/spr (25)/end(5) build
<--- still dont see any difference @~@"

[Kunminshin]

<--- was dex(20)/spr (25) build
<--- now str(19)/spr (25)/end(5) build
<--- still dont see any difference @~@"

Keep Readin

First we no know Dex is bugged

Second 20 Dex would = +4% of course you're not gonna see a difference

[Jobo7]

id rather have 180 points in str for 216 extra attack every hit :)