greediest class the oppions of the clerics

[brookking]

the greediest class on what i think is the archer. there always complaneing on how the mages have it so much better and how they have he lest a mount of skillsbut come on they need to stop asking for more skills and/or stop assulting the mages by saying the should make life so much harder for them like mob magc def increese or higher cool time on thier skills ect. come on the archers are fine they dont need any thing else. say what u think u think im wrong argue.

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[dimanoroji]

I agree. (Even tho I'm a mage. =P) I'm actually kinda jealous of the archers...I'm currently lvl 43, and I was duoing with a lvl 40 archer in vt for hob fighters. I'm pure int, but somehow the archer was pulling more aggro than me. How did that happen? I'm kinda thinking of making an archer now. >.<

[FrostFruit]

60+ that's where the conflicts of archers and mages begin. Don't generelize one entire class, but archers were unbalanced for a long time. Mages were overpowering many classes.

Mages are sort of getting irritated as archers are getting things that they should've gotten earlier.

Archers seem to shine at 50-59, but once they reach 60, mages overpower them.

Archer do need it to be balance since they are still underpowered by a bit. Just watch the mages at 60+ level so quickly and you will understand both sides.

[TwinBlade887]

Every once in a while, it's actually us(clerics) that may be a bit greedy sometimes. I'm always seeing threads like, "Clerics need an AoE attack" or a "Why are clerics' damage so low" and stuff like that. Other times, it's from fighters who can't seem to hold aggro from 60+ mages nuking them with Nova and Inferno. Then you have the mages saying their defense is too low, and the archers talking about what skills they *should* have. Lol, all of them are greedy in their own special way.

[brookking]

yeah i can c were ur getting at about how all the classes are pretty gready but ive seen mare complaints/wanting more on the archers then the other classes. besides the points u tried toprove some of them can be changed. raise end on mage, tell mages not to do frost nova and inferno a lot. raise str, and beacause we are the healing/helping class. after i looked over some of the things i do thnk they should give the archer 2 skills. entangle and a skill/buff for themselves that raise dex/aim by 5%

[TwinBlade887]

The thing is, all the classes are supposed to have a flaw in a way. Fighters have low Magic Defense, Clerics have low damage output, Mages have bad defense, and Archers are lacking in skills. Outspark just needs to add in everything that's missing, and fix some things(ie. Trip and Bleed).

[moollama]

Every once in a while, it's actually us(clerics) that may be a bit greedy sometimes. I'm always seeing threads like, "Clerics need an AoE attack" or a "Why are clerics' damage so low" and stuff like that. Other times, it's from fighters who can't seem to hold aggro from 60+ mages nuking them with Nova and Inferno. Then you have the mages saying their defense is too low, and the archers talking about what skills they *should* have. Lol, all of them are greedy in their own special way.

wdf? clerics complaining about low dmg out put? we dont NEED low dmg out put we arnt SUPPOSED to do high damage we are the "assist helping etc" class:D

[yourmojo]

Ah, in Gold Hill it was totally the fighters that took the cake for me (as a cleric).

"I tank", "No, I will" *mock* "***, I have higher def" *mock*, "***, I have more HP" *mock*

Clerics are just sitting there rubbing their foreheads =P
I haven't really run into a whole lot of greedy people yet. Bijou is a pretty nice server.

[DancingSimmer]

In order from rudest to nicest:

1. Archers
2. Fighters
3. Mages (They can be so nice at times)

Clerics don't have to heal, they choose to heal. :)

[GaaraPajama]

hey .... no one is perfect lol right?

[FrostFruit]

In order from rudest to nicest:

1. Archers
2. Fighters
3. Mages (They can be so nice at times)

Clerics don't have to heal, they choose to heal. :)


That was sort of offending, calling them rude....

I have seen rude fighters, mages , clerics and archers. Archers and clerics are one of the nicest people I have seen. Probably it doesn't hold true to you.

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[azureangel]

In order from rudest to nicest:

1. Archers
2. Fighters
3. Mages (They can be so nice at times)

Clerics don't have to heal, they choose to heal. :)
Hey...it's not very nice to generalise a whole class as rude >.<

I've met nice archers and mean archers. Nice fighters and ebil fighters. Nice mages and not-very-nice mages. I've had fighters go "Kazuha heal heal heal heal heal heal heal heal heal heal heal heal nao!" over and over, but I don't hold a grudge against fighters. Just the ones who demand. I've had mages who used Life Tap the WHOLE ENTIRE TIME during a KQ, so I would continuously heal them, because I don't like leaving them vulnerable to mobs. I don't hate mages either. I've met an archer who took on much more than they could handle, and didn't use any HP pots or stones, leaving me to slave over them, and I certainly don't hate archers ^^. Heck, I've even met clerics who refused to heal themselves or anyone else during a KQ...they were the worst T_T.

If I honestly had to choose, then it would be...clerics who refuse to heal themselves and their party-mates. Only those types of clerics, all the other ones are nice ^^.

As for the OP of this thread, I think the answer is that it depends on the person, not the class. My main is an archer, and I'm not mean...am I? And as for dimanoroji, I'll support you if you make an archer! ^^

[Nerevar158]

Ah, in Gold Hill it was totally the fighters that took the cake for me (as a cleric).

"I tank", "No, I will" *mock* "***, I have higher def" *mock*, "***, I have more HP" *mock*

Clerics are just sitting there rubbing their foreheads =P
I haven't really run into a whole lot of greedy people yet. Bijou is a pretty nice server.

LMAO
You forgot to add the extra bit.
After the last *mock*
Mage - *Spams skills and starts tanking*
Both Fighters - "What the...."
Mage - *Smiles*

As for the thread....it really depends whatcha mean by greedy :/

Archers want alot of things, but i wouldn't call them greedy.....simply impatient. They are missing skills true, but demanding it every second doesn't help....Complaining all the time is useless. That time could be better spent honing your archer to become the best damn thing anyone has ever seen. Imagine what a lvl 70+ mage would say when you obliterate them in a 1 on 1 pvp fight O.o

Clerics want an aoe attack...............this I don't understand?
Archers have an aoe and DoT
Fighters have aoe and stun
Mages have aoe, stun(fear...dunno if thats getting fixed or not :/) and DoT
Clerics have heal, buff(no other class can "buff" another player)
Hmmm clerics look completely unique...wow

Mages.......geez.......Archers get lowered cooldown for aoe, omg they are so powerful. Relax....please. Their aoe still does not compare to ours (uh mages...hehe). Sure its quicker, but they cannot outdamage us unless they have a +9 and we have a +0 with pure str build (well i think alot of thigns could outdamage us like this but I'm just proving a point). Come on mages no need to go crazy.

Fighters....let's see.....hmmmm.....I got nothing.....they don't seem too greedy. They sometimes complain but i haven't seen many fighters try to petition for any massive increase in power or anything.

Ehh well I'm hungry now so I have to stop there.....
Food time :D

[Balder]

LOL, actually ive noticed this with mages that i party with but i dont kno well but the moment ive finished mocking and then they decide to get aggro again, they're like "mock mock mock mock" and im like "cd cd cd cd".
Then a sec later, they're like "u suck at tanking"

>_>

this is me: bye bye all. hope you get another fighter, treat him/her the same way and then get hated some more XD

[Lythari]

@ the OP

You are passing judgment on a lot of people you don't even know. Not everyone on these forums are in the game, and vice versa. It's truly disappointing that clerics, a class whom I though didn't have a problem with archers, is coming to hate archers. :(

How many archers do you know? 5? 50? 500? Even five thousand would only be a fraction of the total population. You are trying to generalize something to an entire populous based on what you have witnessed an X number of times? That would be like me hating clerics just because ten or so wouldn't rez me. Don't be so hasty to judge an group of people just because of what a few do; even if 'few' means forty or fifty (it is still proportionally a few). It's like this:

"I have seen 20 archers act greedily, ergo all archers are greedy."

You can't generalize things like that. Until you have met thousands and thousands of archers who are greedy, this can't scientifically be generalized.

If you are referring to archers on the forums, bear in mind that again: it's only a fraction (if even that).

Let me explain why people want skills. We don't want more skills: we want the skills we should have gotten, but didn't. Here is a link to what archers have in the Japanese version:

http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43063

Now compare that to what we have. We have Aimed Shot, Power Shot, Poison, and Bleed (neither of which can kill enemies: only reduce them to 1 hp). At 20, we get Natures Protection (which works differently than in the other version, when it works) and Multi Shot. That's all until the 40's where we eventually get Mist and Venom. Let me put this in terms you can relate to.

If clerics were in Archer's position:

Heal would be a lvl 3 skill with a 10 second cooldown.
Bash would be a lvl 5 skill with a 15 second cooldown.
You wouldn't get any buffs, but rather a nerfed Restore at lvl 11 with another 15 second CD
Bleed would be a lvl 15 skill with a 15 second cooldown (and it would hopefully work)

Rez would still be the lvl 20 skill with 30 second CD, only would be more prone to failure. You would have to be standing almost right next to the target, and even if it failed, you would still have to wait for it to CD to try again and would still cost SP.

And you would get a nerfed Recover at lvl 20 with a 5 second CD that the other healing class raised hell over. That would be all until the forties, where you would get another regen spell and an AoE regen. You would never get Endure, Protect, Resist, Invince, or Cure. Doesn't that sound fun? ;)

Now lets assume there was another healing class instead of two DD classes. They did have less Def and HP, but had far better healing and buffing capabilities. Which of the two would get partied more? Would that be fair to you guys? When you should have gotten the skills as you have them now, you got my distorted version because apparently your class was grossly overpowered in other version. When you asked for some of the skills you should have gotten, the other healing class says it's a fair trade off because you have better HP/Def than they do and don't need anything at all. Now do you see why archers complain? Granted, it's annoying (even to many fellow archers including myself); but they are valid complaints being raised. To say we are greedy for wanting skills we should have is...illogical.


In order from rudest to nicest:


1. Archers
2. Fighters
3. Mages (They can be so nice at times)

Clerics don't have to heal, they choose to heal. :)

As for this, well no one has to do anything for anyone. Fighters don't have to tank and mages/archers do not have to attack. We could all just go our separate ways and hang out only with members of our own class.

However, to say archers are the rudest class is false. Why? Because classes do not affect behavior; but rather the person playing them. Before you call a very large demographic the 'rudest' group, stop and think about how rude you are sounding yourself. Healing others doesn't automatically make you the nicest class. I've met many clerics that needed their heads examined and their @sses kicked; just as I have met in other classes.

[soojin]

i think clerics are pretty greedy. xD

i'm a cleric myself, but i'm just happy with partying and healing/buffing. a lot of those types.

other clerics enjoy going solo more than partying. nothing wrong with that. ^^

then you have the extreme handful that refuse to heal others, and / or sort of want to be attackers. T__T the type that want AoE attacks like other classes, despite knowing that we're a support class and that contributing defense/survival skills to parties is what we do best, and that are just really sort of selfish / lazyyy. :/

during my MD KQ period, i was partied with another cleric (who i won't name), two archers and a warrior. the other cleric afked through the majority of the KQ, then when he was there towards the big finish (where you have to kill the mini-dragon), he just refused to heal altogether. when he finally DIED, he was demanding that he be revived. well... being that i was the only healing cleric in the party, i focused on healing the two archers and the warrior, as well as the main warrior tanker outside of party instead of the other cleric who wasn't contributing at all. he got mad at me that he had to use one of his hearts, but i felt his role was semi-secondary since he wasn't doing anything but standing there, expecting to get a chest at the end for doing absolutely nothing.

then you have the clerics who won't revive you if you go " rev pls " or " res pls ", which i think is sorta.... idk, weird ? o_O if someone dies, i'll revive them if time allows ... i personally think spelling shouldn't be a factor in whether someone should be revived or not. and it's not like you don't know what's being asked if you see them laying flat on the ground, eating dirt. xD

so yes, i have to say that some people of my own class can be pretty greedy, or rude. :X i've only met a few that were like that myself, but i've heard a lot of stories from friends, haha.. T__T;;

but all classes have bad seeds within them <3.

[Athrun_Zala]

Classes aren't greedy, people are.

[Tamlinari]

Classes aren't greedy, people are.

Exactly right!
And by the way, I would rather party with an Archer than any other class.
As a Cleric, an Archer can pull for me and then release aggro on to me and let my Cleric take the beating.
The Cleric Archer team is the best team.

Fighters tend to treat Clerics like crap.
In most cases a Cleric is nothing but an unlimited source of HP to the Fighter.
The only reason that a Fighter wants a Cleric in their party is so that they don't have to burn stones or pots.
Just try and party with a Fighter and not spam heal them and see how long it takes for them to replace you.
They don't care how many stones and pots the Cleric burns just as long as they don't have to burn any.
When the Fighter runs low on SP they rest but the Cleric is not supposed to do the same.


Mages are ok but their attacks are too powerful and a Cleric cannot hold aggro so the mob goes after the Mage and the Cleric cannot pull the mob off of the Mage.

That is why I like to party with Archers.