"You suck as your class"

[Convent]

I'm not directing that at anyone in particular, it's supposed to attract attention. (hence the quote marks and such to make it look like someone in-game is saying it).

Before I start anything, I'm going to post two versions of my post. The one in the first quote box is abridged if you don't have time or if you're lazy. The one in the second quote box is full length.

I do this because I know people who ignore long posts. This is a point I'd like to make to EVERYONE, not just people who dare to read my...novels. >.>;



There are some people in-game that I believe need to learn how to use their class before they get higher leveled. This means that they need to not only join aoe parties but also normal parties and solo sometimes. I think people who do only one or two lack the skills necessary to use their class at the fullest becaues they don't learn how to use their class to do things like escape from being gangteamed by mobs.


...I hope I made that simple enough for those of you who don't want to read my long posts. xD

Next quote box...the long one..


Sometimes when I go around town I see people shouting things that demote specific classes, which unfortunately are mostly acos because people expect a lot from acos which usually isn't humanly possible. Also, those people I see tend to be the ones that cash a LOT. Not meant to stereotype but I still have yet to find a free player who has done what I'm about to explain.

The usage of your class of your character is very important. Most of us have the basic grips of what to do, like ice before attacking or shield crash before slashing. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that some of us think the limit is at that and there aren't any more skills that, as a human, you need to learn. This is a game, it's a rote game, but I haven't heard of a game yet where you don't need to learn a new skill. Things like Super Smash Brothers Brawl require things like dodging, attacking, avoiding, and item usage that are critical to playing the game. Just attacking isn't going to get you far, which is a lot like this game.

The gaming skill, I believe, comes in a few basic forms.
-->Basic class combat
-->Avoidance combat
-->Judgement combat
-->Savior combat

Things like basic class combat are dependent on the class of your character and are probably the most common sense things in the game. All classes come with something or another to help your incapacitate the enemy and then kill it, and those skills are learned pretty quickly. Shield crash, blindside, magic ice, and illusion quake are all somethings that will help you avoid getting hit by the enemy and either slow them down or stun them to help you battle.

Then there are other skills like avoidance, savior, and judgement. I...made those up on the spot but I hope they work. xD

Judgement combat is a little different where you judge the situation and alter your coarse of action based on what's going on. This usually comes before Aoidance combat. Sometimes on my archer I'll let an aggro attack me if it's not doing enough damage to kill me because I know that I can handle it. Acos use judgement a TON when partying.

Avoidance combat is your ability to escape from situations that can't be handled. If you want to have high avoidance combat skills you need to first solo, then get used to being attacked by aggros, then start training yourself in mass spawns from AoEs. You'll eventually learn how to run and how to pace your stun attacks to save yourself.

Savior combat is something else I just made up a name for. Savior combat is more of the ability to save other people rather than just yourself. Partying increases savior combat when the party is being gangteamed, and savior combat usually happens by chance. Certain AoEing also increases savior combat to a certain extent (For the tank when saving the healer).


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MAIN POINT
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Many people I see are only either AoEing with someone, AoEing by themselves, partying, or soloing ALL THE TIME. It's come to a point where that person is totally dependent on only a single form of training as their main source of exp because they've lost the ability to do one or the other.

I think this is becoming a big problem within players who decide to take the easiest coarse of action when getting their exp. It usually also happens with AoEing, too, because AoEIng is probably the most amazingly easy way to earn exp without doing too much work.

That person who AoEs all the time, parties all the time, or solos all the time loses a lot in terms of skill at playing the game. If you solo all the time you might have a hard time detecting and saving others in your party because you're always looking out for #1. If you party all the time you don't learn the advanced skills at saving yourself because you always have backup. If you AoE all the time you don't learn the skills to save yourself in advanced conditions of being gangteamed.

I've heard complaints. Actually, I've heard a lot. A lot of this and that and who does what and when which does how and whether or not that person is good at being their class. The sad thing is that if you talk to them that person is just doing whatever they're doing for the exp. They don't even realize that they probably need to learn to party or solo well. Sometimes they actually develop a fear of doing what they aren't doing because they don't think it's humanly possible to save themselves so they avoid it and increase the fear. An AoEing tagalong, for example, may think there isn't hope when gangteamed when soloing because they haven't learned the skills to saving themselves, therefore they don't risk death, shut themselves away from soloing, and increase the problem (I actually learned a lot in Psycology, except I still can't remember how to spell it. >.>).

Personally, I don't care if they're the highest of their class in the game! If they're long ranged and they obviously don't know how to save themselves if they're attacked by aggros, if they're close ranged and obviously don't have any concept of how to judge their tanking limits, if they're a healer who can only keep 1 person alive because they AoE all the time, I'd prefer if they weren't in my party.

And if they don't know how to solo from all the partying they're doing I don't want to be around them when they finally notice they can't handle the situation and run into the sz shedding off 5 aggros into my direction.

This game isn't all about leveling. It's not all about getting higher than her or him or having this skill. Sure, that's a main part, but if you don't know how to use it to keep OTHERS alive then there isn't much point to the skill now, is there? I don't like seeing people who don't appear to have any interest in the community. I don't like seeing people who don't know how to accurately use skills like stone edge (I can just imagine someone stunning the main monster being attacked instead of stunning the aggro that's half a second away from killing the healer). More or less I DON'T LIKE SEEING PEOPLE DIE.

The dying penalty has always been annoying, it's commonly argued to be too great in higher levels. Seeing people's work go down the drain because someone doesn't know how to save themselves without harming others from lack of care for any attempt at getting experience at saving at all makes me sick. (That was long, lol)

This is the thing where you watch a mage or scout, lvl 66+, soloing near you. All of a sudden that person is about to be attacked by two aggros, which they see, so they run. It's natural to run from that, it's death that could be coming. But instead of using brambleway or frost to slow the monsters down or at least attacking one to draw it into the sz to immobilize it, they just leave you in the middle of battle being attacked by those two aggros (and maybe the monster they were attacking if it's aggro too).

Then: Rate of survival=none. Especially since you can't warp away in the middle of battle. You die, you lose the last hour of work, and that other person repeats the process, but you only see them 5-10 minutes a WEEK soloing because they're always with so-and-so AoEing.

I've encountered this a lot in my time. Through rumors and smalltalk and through experience in the battlefield, I've narrowly missed death from that (thank the lord that I decided to train in Loren, even in mass AoE spawns, or I swear I still wouldn't be archer from all the dying I would have been doing).

This is still a game. Like any game you need higher playing skills to advance further and be reputable for it. Otherwise it's just empty levels on an empty character...

[Lysarius]

o.o Long post (yes i actually read all of it). Though i get what you're getting at. There are a lot of people who don't know how to play and just rely on others. I can't say i know everything, since i have yet to go AoE. I solo for the time being. And i am smart about it.

[Feralheart]

Sometimes when I go around town I see people shouting things that demote specific classes, which unfortunately are mostly acos because people expect a lot from acos which usually isn't humanly possible.
True.

Let me tell a story. Once my Acolyte brother went to Loren and got accepted to a party. He was 35-ish back then. There were 5 or 6 of them in the party, and he was the only Acolyte. He knew he had a lot to do since he was one of the lower-leveled players in the party. But since the organizers couldn't find any other Acolytes, they accepted him.

Everything went well for the first couple minutes until this Disciple in their party started taking on different monsters from what their tank (a Squire) was tanking. And since the Squire and this Disc were only 45-ish, they required constant healing just to take down a single monster--the Disc was taking more damage than his Assist Heal could heal him. It was risky, and my brother's minor heal couldn't keep up with both of them taking damage. So he asked the Disc to stop tanking monsters and just stick to what the Squire was tanking.

Everyone else in the party agreed they should stick to one monster at a time. But the Disc wouldn't listen. He told my brother to stick to what he's supposed to be doing, which is healing, and let him tank his own monsters. So what my brother did was he stopped healing and buffing the Disc (he had his own buff and heal anyway) and focused on assisting the Squire tank and the rest of the party. That was when the Disc started calling him names and said he wasn't doing his job properly. If I'm not mistaken, I think he even used an egg to shout how my brother was an incompetent Acolyte.

I see this Disc often around town. I'm just astonished how someone who could grind all the way to 50+ and be one of the more familiar names in the game could have such a childish and foul-mouthed personality.

Amen.

[Convent]

Gah, I hate and love aco stories. >.< I hate the way some people can treat acos and not get punished for it and I love the immense passion for acos in the stories (second favourite class of mine is acos).

There are some acos I've partied with that just don't heal, though, which is kind of odd. o__0;

[Zeltar]

I agree, fully

I see a lot of people that are not fully utilizing their class. I know I’ve spent countless hours, from the very first day of OB, grinding to rogue before they had the exp update and exp was twice as hard, and before there were any sort of exp boosters around. Then in no time at all I see new people coming in, boosting up on the easy exp system, (some even stacked boosters when it was possible). These people leveled fast, but I notice some of them are not fuly utilizing their class potential.

The same applies with PvP, I see many people with a endless supply of CS pots, but they do not use any tactics, and barely utilize their full potential of their class, just stand there and spam CS pots.

I have to say that a lot of experience comes from exposing yourself to all sorts of situations, and making do with what you have. This game shouldn’t be only about level and how many CS pots people have, but how they utilize their class, and also how they combine their actions with the other peoples actions. In a party there are so many skills available, a skilled party can take on so much more by utilizing their full potential (and it also makes the game more fun)

[bigdavepf]

This is long as well, and contains the life story of a level 49 aco.

As a starting aco, I always had to solo. I solo'd my way to level 40 for the most part, only teaming up to go to BH lair. When I hit 40, I was needed in parties, which was new. The first guy I met thought I did fairly well and started recommending me to other people. When he recommended me to another aco, now cleric, Mistahpig, I started to learn about aoe in the icemaps. He taught me alot about being an aco. I ended up duoing with a scout that had heard that I was a decent aco. Scouts, no offense, are the worse class in general that I party with. The scout attacked way too quickly, and I couldn't keep up with the healing. I began to fret and made an error when he died. He had been mobbed, and the mob had moved away. I revived him. When I did, the mob reappeared as if summoned and killed him again. He called me everything but a white man.

I was fortunate enough to team up with a woman that I met in BH lair one day. She needed an aco, and she had just reached level 62. I agreed to go with her, and she took me to east of eir, allowing herself to die without an issue in order to train me. I was trained to be a good aco and eventually met up with the rest of the team. Though I was only 47 when I was introduced, they allowed me to be their healer for aoe. I never had an issue again with healing in an aoe party.

Whether a player is good or bad does depend on the training you get. Acos probably have the best training available, but the people that hate the acos are unjustified. We make mistake; sometimes they cost you 14%, but we make mistakes. It is up to you to decide whether or not the percentage lost is worth having a permanent aco by your side. When the woman calls for me, I drop the party I am in and go to her; she has my ultimate loyalty and has helped me in many ways to become a better player.

[dreaming-rose]

First i'd like to point out it's Psychology XD

Second, yes i read all that Trente +.+ so you owe me a cookie *-*

Finally, my story. This one is in my point of view as an aco. Since i've started this game, i've done each of the following, first i started out soloing to get a good grip on what i can do and can't do. Then slowly started joining parties, but some of those parties made me tell them "sorry i have to go" and i would go back to town and sit there because i couldn't understand why they were so rude.

Now I've also done aoe, but i can probably say i'm quite proud of myself because i liked to challenge myself, and i don't think there are that many acos who managed to walk from Bryn to Essene, or from Essene to CV on their own +.+ yes i actually ran the maps. :D

I've been in a lot of parties, and what i've learned so far is that i buff everyone, heal who needs to be healed, and when each one of them takes on a mob, i either help kill it, get in one hit (oblivion or illusion quake) and at the same time keep an eye out on each one of them, or if they're aoe i concentrate solely on healing the aoer. So if i say so myself that requires me to stay sharp and actually do my job too.

The other day we were out in Inkwell and beyond, and we got mobbed because of respawns from an aoer near by, i was attacked by 2, and they were attacked by like 4. Still i kept healing them and used my little stash of pots to heal myself. Those were some tough mobs too D;

But the thing that gets to me, is that i've partied with people who just don't realize that i'm helping them...>>;;

One time this guy needed help to level to the next level. So we went out, and started out nice and easy, but then he kept advancing and we were only 2 ppl in a pt...i warned him we wouldn't survive. He just laughed and kept going. Finally we both got killed, he was killing a mob, and i got attacked by one, did he bother to help me? o.O nope...i couldn't heal myself in time because i concentrated on keeping him alive, and he just continued killing his mob, while mine killed me, then they both killed him. :O

After that all he had to say was"uh...wth, what were you doing just standing there?!!" of course i just went "...." Another thing too was he used up so much mp that kept using meditation on him. And all i get from him is "why aren't you using that on me?"

One other little story i heard from a good friend of mine, she was out aoeing with her pt, and they had 2 acos. Apparently their 2 acos weren't interested in healing any of them...so they let every single one of the pt members, but themselves get killed by aggro mobs in Chanthery...T.T i felt so bad for her after. To top it all off...they decided to run away in the middle of the fight.

That kind of makes me shake my head, we get a lot expected of us, but then when a few bad eggs, of our class do something stupid it's suddenly "all acos suck" and i've honestly seen that.

i've got a bunch of stories for this probably but i'll leave that for another time XD

[Darlantus]

I was in a loren party that amazingly had 3 healers (2 acos, one in low 40's and one that was higher, and a cleric, if I remember correctly). I was thinking this would be a great party.

For whatever reason, the higher aco had to go afk, so we lost one. The cleric was there, buffing, helping attack, and had major heal for emergencies. The lower aco couldn't do damage, so we told her to heal.

For whatever reason, she continued to attack, not only drawing monsters on her, but then we had no one healing us. The cleric eventually turned to healing, but a couple characters died a few times, something that could have been prevented by the aco.

I'm not trying to dig on the aco, but she was doing less than 10 damage on monsters, if at all, and I can't fathom why she wouldn't want to be more effective by healing us. It was a frustrating party that could have easily gone to Edine, but broke apart.

[xyangster]

Scouts, no offense, are the worse class in general that I party with. The scout attacked way too quickly, and I couldn't keep up with the healing.


O.o

That's a blanket generalization, and the "no offense" clause doesn't make the statement any less presumptuous. I find scout/aco duos to be less than efficient. It makes both me and the aco lazy: I stop kiting well, and the aco stands only occasionally to buff/heal. But unless the scout was actually trying to attack more than one mob at a time, I'm not clear why spam healing wasn't working.

I think the whole point of Trente's novella (kudos to Trente) is to point out that each class has a lot of potential that some slackers aren't fully taking advantage of. Isn't it counter-productive to point out an example of a scout at less than his best and generalize it to all scouts?

Edit: gah, this isn't an attack at all. I just get frustrated with the number of complaints against scouts I've seen in the forums. We can't all be that bad! *wails*

[Globath]

Is this a long post thread or something? lol I read it all anyway...very interesting stuff you guys said that I didnt know. Most of them are things that happen in every MMORPG, others are new to me. Good discussion.

[ODZ81]

Read the whole un-abridiged version and yes its quite true. To the point that I have been in great partys and partys that did horribly. I know from Exp what your saying. Also you need to speak about the people who camp in one area for at least 5 lvls. I play about an average of 3 hours a day and try to split my time Rud, Mine, Loren and a few other places to get a good feel as to who I can party or Duo with. Recently my new favorite way to Lvl is with one other person another App or Scout with out an ACO. I've met quite a few very good players like this. Great post.

[Globath]

I usually go camp an area with a healer but I like changing from areas to have more fun...like you said...is no fun doing the same over and over...thats why most ppl quit games. They dont get the most out of the games.

[Convent]

Considering the amount of aco stories with this you can't help but wonder what in the universe those people are thinking. >.<

There are some people who are doing a good job though. Many of those who were raised in the harder exp times and/or before the cash shop are generally (yes, I generalized, but there's an explanation) at having the gaming skills to keep themselves and/or others alive. We were all just fighting an uphill battle, so we all knew how harsh the dying penalty was (even in lvl 4x-5x) and we knew how mad we'd be if WE died, so we helped and learned to help others. Personally I think by boostering and all these other things we're taking away some of that skill from the community.

All you need to buy is a cash shop anti-death and a 100% booster and it'll take you 15 minutes to gain that 2% back. Anyone who gets mad at the length of that needs to shed those and try losing 7% and gaining it back without boosters, which takes 2+ hours. -_-

I...forgot what I was planning to say. ^^; I'll edit this if I remember.

[Globath]

lol I hate when that happens...I have something in mind and other stuff come to mind and I just keep writing and I forget to write what I first thought I was going to write..rofl

[Convent]

It happens to me a lot on this forum. xD Cuz...if it's not totally apparent, it's rare to find one of my posts that doesn't span a few paragraphs. >.>;

Gah, I still can't remember. Dx

I can start up new, related discussion though! =O

Many times it's rather apparent when someone isn't exactly able to fend for themselves and sometimes others. Generally, for me, if I'm being attacked by aggros while soloing and someone is soloing near me, I'll bind them all down, or at least attack one before going into the sz so I can drag it away from the open area in front of the sz.

No one really wants to deal with monsters before the sz the moment they step out, and it comes to a problem where you need a tank with high enough defense to almost aoe in order to clear it, which is rather annoying. It sucks to watch other players get attacked by a foreign aggro and just run into the sz. The moment I see that, I just take off running in the opposite direction because I know it's leave or my life.

I think it's common courtesy to do that, to clear up the area before the sz just a little bit for others who journey out later, and it isn't such a hard thing to do. I'm pretty sure that if you can't withstand 2 attacks from monsters in the area you're training you problaby need to find a safer place to train at...because more kills for a little less exp usually beats out a kill that takes 40 hits to complete at the risk of insta-death.

[link2chaos]

omg i can't believe i read that long post O.o

I agreed what you're talking about, we're making a friendly community...

[Globath]

and that is good...we need a friendly community

[annie_pegasus]

I´ve read this thread completely, and is really interesting. I dont even know if Im doing things well, but Im having the most fun, so I think its ok.:p Btw, what you said about bringing monsters infront of sz its true and rather annoying, even more when the monsters, because of one reason or other, ENTER the safe zone. You cant use your skills there. But I try to help all I can, I hit it (or them) and then run out of sz and kill as many as my hp allows me(depending on the map:p) what is usually like 2 or 3 only. You are right about some people (it can be me inclusive:p) dont taking the full potential of their classes, and not being able to lend a hand on someone that needs it. But indeed its frustating too when you try to help other person, and instead of saying thanx or whatever, they get annoyed with you and start calling you names (it makes me furious :mad:). The point here is........ no idea what the point of my post is:confused:...........mmmmmmmm.... what about.... er... Im clueless. Well not sure about it, but the main part of this discussion is not to be doing always the same, not to be so selfish and only think about yourself all the time. If you do so, you will get bored quickly, and left all what this game (and any other game) has to offer. Really you will be losing the best part :D. Because, after all, we are a community, so if you were expecting a 1-1 game, you are maybe in the wrong place.:D

[Julia1]

people talk a lot about acolytes, but i think it applies to all classes.

i have an aclyte myself, and it's normally the acolyte that suffers from other peoples mistakes.
acolyte and party is a symbian relationship, the acolyte keeps the party alive, and the party keeps the acolyte alive.

i have been in a party where a noob neo got freaked out, and ran across half a map of aggro,while i was trying to keep up to heal him and do my job. naturally he lost the aggro and they came onto me. never run off, if you need to run then run circles around the acolyte so they can heal. the noob neo had just made 51, and loved his extract skill, even though i told him not to use it. he would extract into even more danger, forcing me to follow to heal him, then extracted to leave all the mob that were attacking him to attack me. then in the mines he freaked out when there were 3 mobs attacking him, i could have healed him and kept up with the damage he was recieving, but he decided to run and go invis, naturally leaving his mobs to attack me.

there are people of allclasses that do not know how to use their class, or how party dynamics work. and the sad fact is that it is often other people that suffer.

you never know when you join aparty with someone, but i over time find peole that are reliable, nowadays i normally play with friends on my buddy list that i know are reliable(i know a couple of clerics are just amazing). though when starting new characters you have to deal with a lot ofthe less experianced people.

[monday0829]

I have a discipline and I must admit that I am not yet very good at it. I am yet (not)
good at healing / fighting and the transitions between the 2 roles, and often
messed up (of course I still have quite a bit of work on it.)

Sometimes I have a feeling that some scouts / mages I was working with are annoying.
Rather than saying they are not well-trained, I would say that they "know what
their classes are, but *not* realize what their classes are."

Many scouts I was with used their speedy to run in front of us melees, and often
start fighting a red monster so it go after him. Tanking a couple 100+ damages did not
seem to be a good lesson to him. Worse of all, when the scout rushed into a mob
that he was nearly killed, our squires had to hurry up in even front of the scouts
to cover him; at that time an aggro showed up and attack our mages - as the scouts
could not even help himself, he could not use their ankle binding to cover the mages.
It was quite a miracle that the scouts and mages were badly hurtly but not killed,
while the squires and I had took just a little damages.

And I always wanted to ask the mages that "is there any magics that must be casted
at ZERO range ?" I often find some mages just standing beside me (and the mob)
casting spells.

I believed that some mages and scouts do fully know that they are ranged fighter,
but I doubted if they realize that.

[xyangster]

I believed that some mages and scouts do fully know that they are ranged fighter,
but I doubted if they realize that.

Mmm, when I am in a party, I will sometimes stand and tank on my archer, instead of kiting. This is mostly when a second aggro mob attacks a cleric or mage in the party. I may be squishy and ranged, but I have much better defense than clerics or mages, so I'll take a few hits, even in maps where each hit is about 60-100, in order to pull the aggro away from the more vulnerable members in the party. You also have to realize that scouts and apps/mages may start out attacking at a distance, but the mob invariably moves toward them, and it's also the responsibility of the tankers to keep the mob away from the ranged party members.

In any case, I find that most players, regardless of their class, take a little more risk when they're partying and rely on other party members for backup. It's really a matter of developing one's discretion. Scouts seem to be getting criticized a lot, but perhaps as a class that solos a lot, some scouts simply haven't learned how party dynamics work yet.

[SilverTitan]

to me i find that i do not function as well as i used to in parties :o

after quitting my cout i got determined to get my neo lvl up to like 5X in a hurry.
as a result i hav been soloing ALOT and i find i do not function as well as i used to in AOE trios (AOE squire, aco and I) like earlier today in realto the aromarapys which the squire cannot AOE attacked the aco and i was already tanking another aggro one. i don't kno if it was the lag but because of me the aco nearly died (squire was in skill spam/AOE)

i function very well in duos and solo (i solo in shyphlaen forest and hav saved a few lives of apps and other neos) because i usually go to places where i can tank very well (with bless melee monsters do 4-40 and magic 20-40 normal melee monsters do 9-60 and magic 30-50). depends where i am tanking

also because i always go invis in a time of trouble (dont always rely on aos because thats wat caused my first 2 deaths on my neo) it causes near death consequences :o i think my habit of going invis is like automatic wen im almost dead xD *besides good to hav a back up cant always expect aco to save ur butt they might make a mistake they are humans too*
also i find it kind of annoying wen my friend invites me to AOE and i cannot really do much damage to the monsters and aco gets annoyed if i get mobbed
by 3 monsters and go invis even though they are doing 100+ damage to me. its not only acos that ppl hav high expectations for D:

i wouldnt say i suck at my class but i kno for a fact that i haven't unlocked the real potential of my neo x.x




~Kyonoshi

[TKhaos]

I for one think boostering all the time detracts from the skill of the user. Sure they may be 66+, but if they only AoE'd(I'm using aco as an example here, since before I left there was a ton of acos who didn't know how to party and simply boosted and AoE'd all the way to 66+) they won't know how to keep a team alive, and will either completely freeze up or only focus on one person.


off-topic: I might consider coming back if we get a better exp balance and more dungeons, also when they actually fix the broken stuff in the game.

[Convent]

I love all your posts! @_@

Based on Primary-recency effect, I only remember two posts distinctly after reading them all. ^^; I want to say that yes, acos are DEFINATELY not the only ones. We're all responsible for our parts in parties, groups, communities, societies, and other related stuff, and we're not the winners if we're alive and another person isn't.

Name, specifically, I must agree fully. Sorry to pick on acos again, but many acos, I believe, just don't know what to do yet. Some have boostered so much that they either lost or never developed the skills to keep everyone alive. One example of one of the best clerics I know is Sacred_Blast (ilu Sacred), who somehow manages to keep everyone in an octet AoE alive even though we're spread across the entire map. But there are other acos I know who either very slowly heal or don't heal at all and just attack, which redirects the moster to the aco and doesn't help in any possible way I can think of (even if I distort the action of a pure fighting healer in my mind).

...On a side note, I'm happy to say I think I've mastered drawing out a monster from the sz by punching, then equipping my bow again while luring the monster out to fight it without getting hit. xD I feel accomplished.

[Kendrah]

Name, specifically, I must agree fully. Sorry to pick on acos again, but many acos, I believe, just don't know what to do yet. Some have boostered so much that they either lost or never developed the skills to keep everyone alive. One example of one of the best clerics I know is Sacred_Blast (ilu Sacred), who somehow manages to keep everyone in an octet AoE alive even though we're spread across the entire map. But there are other acos I know who either very slowly heal or don't heal at all and just attack, which redirects the moster to the aco and doesn't help in any possible way I can think of (even if I distort the action of a pure fighting healer in my mind).

I think it's still a bit of a wide sweep of your hand. I think situation warrents a looking at. If I'm a lone aco in a large party (7 or 8) and in a very high lvl map (as in, two hits kill me), I'm going to follow whoever they tell me to follow and not trampse around trying to play super hero. I feel bad for the rest, will buff and heal the rest when we pass, but there's not much else I can do. (btw, it's very annoying when a group spread out like that. xD Can't we all fight together? Why do we have to be scattered from hell to breakfast?)

[catry]

It really does come down to experience...that's one of the good things about healers who make it to second class is that the majority of them have learned at least how to be decent at their class, since apparently acolyte reputations spread like wildfire and most of the truly "bad" ones usually end up giving up because they can't get parties or fail at keeping them alive. O.o Unfortunately with other classes you really don't have the problem of keeping others especially if you solo your way up on boosters. Unfortunately I've seem people on boosters get to ridiculously high levels only to get bored because "there's no skill involved" blahblahblah, or who would get owned in PvP if it weren't for a generous stockade of store pots.
That's another thing, you don't see any strategic PvP anymore because of people who don't learn how to use their class...it's all about mobbing and who has more cash pots now. I remember a dual I once watched between Shiki and Haru when they were both in their 80s; both were using their class and skills AND pots to maximum potential and it turned out to be a long yet enjoyable to watch dual. Now strategy no longer seems to be part of PvP because of store pots and people who cry foul the second a neo goes invisible or a disciple uses Burning Hands. =\

And Blaze, you are soooo not the official slacker rogue >.>

[TKhaos]

Lol, there also seems to be groups who have no idea on how to party either, as they scatter or draw as much mobs as possible and yell at the aco if they die. Whats worse is that those who do that tend to party together. XD

I take pride in being a skilled cleric(people who've partied with me know), and seeing all these booster-eating skill-less clerics running around made me angry seeing my hard work be surpassed by somebody who has no idea on how to play the class.

[Convent]

I think it's still a bit of a wide sweep of your hand. I think situation warrents a looking at. If I'm a lone aco in a large party (7 or 8) and in a very high lvl map (as in, two hits kill me), I'm going to follow whoever they tell me to follow and not trampse around trying to play super hero. I feel bad for the rest, will buff and heal the rest when we pass, but there's not much else I can do. (btw, it's very annoying when a group spread out like that. xD Can't we all fight together? Why do we have to be scattered from hell to breakfast?)
Yeah, I guess it is. ^^;

But...seriously, I know of an aco or two who don't heal. Period. Well, I knew them. Dx I remember being on my app at the end of a map and watching the rest of my party pick up a new aco from the beginning of the map. Halfway they got attacked and I saw their shouts asking them to heal. I saw an hp bar go up once. The complaints continued until the end of the map when I left the party. Dx In any case that person stayed rather silent and robotlike for the duration of the time. Kinda...odd...O.o;

Kit--This concerns me just as much as guilds in PvP concern me. Pvp is a really rare thing for me cuz I'm either in school (they schedule the free player ones waaaay too early considering that no one in the US who attends school can go to the free ones without skipping) or watching them require a cash item, and just this past week I was in two (I freaked out! -squee- xD)...But in those two pvps I didn't dare attack anyone because I knew that those 4 people around them were in their guild, and even if I could single them out they were decked out in cash shop stuff so I knew I would die from lack of resources. Being the attacker I wouldn't get revived and there goes my rare chance at pvp.

Name--I'm sure you're not the only one. >.< And there are different reasons for each class (Cuz I'm rather annoyed at cash shop scouts beating me to archer 11 times, but my reason isn't because I'm being beat out by people who heal better than I...don't. ^^; ). I heard EaterOfPie left because the leveling was too hard without cash, and he/she was a good aco! D=

[Kendrah]

And Blaze, you are soooo not the official slacker rogue >.>

Yeah huh! Wanna fight for the title? ;D But I think I've got to go slack over in the corner there for a little bit. *yawns* It gets tiring doing nothing, ya know?

But we can be slackers together! ;D I just had one to many "WHAT?! You're WHAT lvl? And you've been Rogue for HOW long?! I'm going to catch up with you soon!" and then trying to explain that I don't really care to people who don't believe me.

Now, wouldn't that be a fun guild? 'The Solstice Slackers'?

*looks around, coughs* I'm shutting up now. Go back to the topic at hand.

[Convent]

I would totally join that guild if I wasn't already in FPU (unless they somehow manage to let people join multiple guilds), it's really hard to convince people that leveling just isn't important anymore. xD

Working hard for something a little less selfish at the moment. =3 (...wow, THAT sounded self-absorbed. Dx)

[NeoQueenElyse]

Haha, I've definitely been a Solstice Slacker... O_O I kinda burnt myself out grinding when I was really striving to get cleric. But, I'm finally back into the groove of grinding and trying not to die...

[Convent]

*posts a little legal bump* >.< Sorry, I want this post to stay up to bring more people aware of this "pandemic" thing amungst this game.

[Deviot_Aviot]

Yes, acos are the ones who do most works in parties.
but sadly, they are not being apreciated ._.
but i am sure we app second that! :p

[JackOfTrades]

I just don't enjoy partying. It's not that I hate people, but it generally takes me 2-3 times as long to level. I'll do it every once in awhile to cool off and talk with people, but I'm sure I can do my class well in any situation.

[Deviot_Aviot]

*to the Formidable guy above me*
Well, u have no problems with lags and dc...so i guess its fine for most :cool:

[JackOfTrades]

*to the Formidable guy above me*
Well, u have no problems with lags and dc...so i guess its fine for most :cool:Yea, I've never had any lag problems, except back in the event where you had to defend Essene. (Early January) Monsters were spawning by the hundreds, and my modem was just frying xD

Oh how I wish I had my high speed back.. i want to play so badly T_T

[Convent]

Aww, Balmung! Dx

I hope you can get back online soon! >.<

[JackOfTrades]

Aww, Balmung! Dx

I hope you can get back online soon! >.<Me too man, me too! I have no idea when It'll be though. I'm really hoping in less then 2 weeks. I'd prolly be an Archer by now.. T_T haha

[Giachina]

Yes, acos are the ones who do most works in parties.
but sadly, they are not being apreciated ._.
but i am sure we app second that! :p

OMG ^^
I think a lot of people that do not play an acolyte do not realize what we go through........ I always try to buff people, whether Im by myself or in a party, and that eats up a lot of my mana....Makes leveling take a long time........ When I am soloing, sometimes people will ask for buffs and they dont realize that it cuts into my mana a great deal, and therefore cuts into playing..........
I still, usually, always give out buffs ^^ even if Im just passing by.... The "ty"s and "thnx"s always make it worthwhile ^^

Im happy to do it ^^

[Convent]

Lol, I've played two acos to 40 and one of them beyond, and I found out how abnormally insane aco is. @_@ Especially in a party to Loren as the only aco at lvl 42. -__-

But it IS a lot of fun to bless people and stuff, and healing is great. Makes me think how special acos must be to be able to heal wounds! xD

Balmung--You'd totally be archer. >.< (making me 25th archer >.>; ) Hopefully I can see you in-game sometime soon! (and add you to my buddy list! =D)

[greytoce]

omg im all for reading but that was all too much so i skipped reading it all! lol

[dylanangel]

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