There Needs 2 B Proper Guild War Rules and Regulations

[bionical2k]

Calling for proper guild wars rules of conduct and regulations from outside interfernce


nay player who is a cleric should refrain from help ing members of guilds who are at war from helping a side to win as this leads to unfair wars. it also can ruin peoples gaming experience and enjoyment. if there is a guild leader board then this will also interfere with that and hold false information. if you want to join in in the wars then join a guild or make your own up. rules that could be enforced are like that if any outside interference is found then that playrs is reported and banned from playing fiesta for a set amount of time and shud they continue then have their char deleted or account deleted. i have heard so many people in guilds complain about this and should make complaints here.*

[Angels]

I think baning people is unfair but simple saying in guild war status you can only be healed, buffed watever by other guild members

[Keenan]

yeh like a*msg popping up when someone outside of the guild war trys to heal them.


like


you can not heal this player at this time*

[lunelune]

I wouldn't mind clerics outside the war that heal getting banned. It's annoying. =]

[bionical2k]

if making guild outsiders a target doesn't hlp then maybe suspension of their account will serve as a warning to others. it may not be fair but then they should know better anyway and would only be their fault

[mrbradley1]

maybe you guys should take the guild wars somewhere else besides THE MIDDLE OF TOWN, then maybe this wouldnt be an issue.

[hyperswoss]

I also agree with above poster. It really can get annoying.


Or why not in Uruga, where there are nearly no noobs or idiot-clerics. Sure, it might be harder for some guild members to get there, but its a possible solution.


I also think the ban idea is great. Either a ban or a message saying they could not be healed.

[mrbradley1]

I think a meesage saying they cannot heal people in guild wars is best.


*banning people for that will turn alot of people away from the game I think. I know you guys would prolly like that since less lag ect. but outspark might not.

[TastyTapioca]

Calling for proper guild wars rules of conduct and regulations from outside interfernce


nay player who is a cleric should refrain from help ing members of guilds who are at war from helping a side to win as this leads to unfair wars. it also can ruin peoples gaming experience and enjoyment. if there is a guild leader board then this will also interfere with that and hold false information. if you want to join in in the wars then join a guild or make your own up. rules that could be enforced are like that if any outside interference is found then that playrs is reported and banned from playing fiesta for a set amount of time and shud they continue then have their char deleted or account deleted. i have heard so many people in guilds complain about this and should make complaints here.








If I see a friend of mine being attacked, double teamed, triple teamed, or whatever.. yah I'm going to jump in and heal him, buff him, and whatever else till he falls. Why? He's my friend and those with issues about it can kiss my steel clerical boots. :P





Honestly though, I know its frustrating but you can't expect outsiders to not jump in if they see something happening.





Know what I'd want, being a cleric and all? The ability to rezz and heal my enemies during those wars. Some of the wars are started by the egotistical and thick headed people of some guild and then everyone in both are deemed to suffer for it. Not everyone does it for fun.




My first guildwar, I wished to God I could heal my enemies as I hated seeing my clanmates running around obliterating them. Because *I* didn't want to be a part of the guildwar to start with, but because of it being guild-wide, I was forced to.





Thankfully the opposing team left me alone and I left them alone.

[ningyougeki]

TastyTapioca, how about joining a guild where admin/other members aren't that serious with all this guild wars thing? I don't mean this in shut your mouth and stop whining way, and actually I'm not saying this to you only. Whoever has problems with being in a guild and forced to fight for it should consider that.

I'm a member of a guild where admin actually asks the fellow members wheather they want to have a war or not. No one's forced to do it either - you have something better to do, you don't wanna be there, then don't.

But to original topic. I do think that those rules are needed. I also agree that the 'Can't heal people in guild war' message is a best suggestion. Friend or not, it gets very annoying when you try to kill your opponent and some !@#$ outsider is standing behind him, healing him after every hit as the said opponent is hitting you on repeat. I have cleric friends outside guild too, but asking their help while in a war is simply not fair imho. Friend or not, if the cleric's not involved, I'm asking nicely - please don't heal. And it really doesn't matter is he healing/reviving members of my guild or opponent's.

And then. Some suggested taking guild wars to Uruga. So you suggest that because it gets on _your_ nerves in Elderine, the wars should be taken to other town? What about their nerves then? Other problem is people with very small amount of money/low level. Prices of Uruga scrolls are pretty high after all.. Getting there alive by walking? I don't think so.

I understand people not involved are pissed because of players running around casting spells on each other and healing and dying and reviving and so on. I don't like running in the sea of about three billion mushroom stores in the middle of the town. It's laggy. It's slow. Moving with mouse, you sometimes stop shopping on the worst moment you can just imagine; mage and fighter running after you, archers on your left and oh - it seems that your cleric just died..

IMHO the arena's too small for two full guilds. Go check if you don't believe it. Yeah yeah, you can fit them all in but what about the moving? Oh no.

Anyhow, it's a war. Search and destroy. Sometimes a little bit hide and seek too. It's not allowed to happen in the whole town without a reason. In arena you can't have even a small rest but in town you can go hiding for a while. People agree to get a war, sometimes they're running away. Isn't it just normal to speed up and hunt them down?

[Kholai]

Waaiiiit. You people want to ban clerics for healing? :|

Yeah, that's not going to happen. Clerics can heal anyone they like, and that's their prerogative. If you don't like being healed for free, then simply ask the clerics not to heal you anymore. I'm sure they'd be happy to oblige you.
If they keep doing it, go somewhere that they aren't, and then participate in whatever duel system you prefer. I'm sure if your opponents don't have any such reservations about enlisting outside help, then they'll be too scared to follow you somewhere dangerous.

In fact, it would be nice to have some buffs for the other classes too, so that guild people would have to work on their public relations or risk unaffiliated people helping their enemies, something which happens in real wars too.

[Gavener]

So your saying you can start wars in Town? thats kinda dumb, thanks for extra lag, and for people healing, that happens in town, i have no clue how this pvp things works yet, but i see a lot of hardcore pvper talk Ban people ya right go play warcraft it want pvp so bad, but yes when a pvp flag is up or what ever only that guild should be able to heal there own

[Gravvi]

people make up ur mind. First u want clerics to help now u don't. IF one guild has help from outerguildmates then the other guild should do the same.

[kaskote]

It is called a Guild WAR for a reason. Ever heard the adage "there are no rules in love and war"? Yeah, no rules. Clerics can heal whoever they want. That's their purpose, afterall. If you saw some dude getting stomped by 3 or 4 people in some back alley with no friends in sight, and you had the means to help him get out alive, would you help him? Sure you would! So be quiet. It may be annoying to the opposing side, but it is war. Deal with it.

[Xanthros]

Ahh yes, I was looking for this topic specifically. I was actually waiting for my name to be mentioned, as well. I had died, and ended up in Elderine, I hit my heal to heal myself after I spawned in town, and was told 'dont interfere in the guildwar, fcking noob' .. the one who said it was blind, so as a result of the unprovoked smack talkin', I assisted the opposite guild another 30 minutes+ and wont hesitate to do it again for any who can't see wth is happening before they open their mouth.

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[Talkius]

It is called a Guild WAR for a reason. Ever heard the adage "there are no rules in love and war"? Yeah, no rules. Clerics can heal whoever they want. That's their purpose, afterall. If you saw some dude getting stomped by 3 or 4 people in some back alley with no friends in sight, and you had the means to help him get out alive, would you help him? Sure you would! So be quiet. It may be annoying to the opposing side, but it is war. Deal with it.

Depends, the large majority of people would not help due to the fact that they don't want the situation to impede upon their lives. This is how people get killed and or rap%# in front of 80! people and noone does anything about it. I personally grew up in what mostly is referred to as the hood and if I saw someone getting jumped and could help without risking even more bodily harm on myself or the other, I would help, but not at the risk of creating two bodies in the place of one. If you would help anyone when the odds are highly stacked against you, by all means, go ahead, but I am not one for making a bad situation worse on good purpose alone.

On topic: If I were in a guild war (which as of yet, won't happen since I am not in aguild) and clerics were healing my side, I would be all for it. If I were in a guild war and clerics were healing the other side and not my side, then I would be wondering why we didn't have the medical support as well. If this is a war and for all reasons, names and intents it is, you should have your frontline troops (Infantry/tanks), your artillery troops (Mages, Archers) and your support troops (Clerics/Medics). No war is won with foot troops alone. It takes the whole contingent as a whole to mesh and create a fighting force to be proud of.

I agree though, killing people in the opposing guild who is in a shop is cheap, but some individuals fight dirty to win and will do whatever is neccessary to get that oh so crucial victory...

Take care and enjoy the game...

Disclaimer: These are merely my opinions and can be thrown out as such.

[cryragon]

'AFK-people Slaying' Problem
The developers should make a confirmation that asking whether guild members want to join in a war which the guild leader's currently waging. If they don't accept it, they're flagged as unPvPable, they can't attack the opposing guild members or be attacked by them.

'Outside Help' Problem
Someone already mentioned the solution, to make outsiders can't heal/give buffs to people who are in a guild war, with exception during KQ.

Sure, real life and virtual wars can be won by dirty tricks. However, certainly a war is better to be fought fair and square, to promote a fun and healthy competition between guilds. I personally dislike winning a dishonorable war, I prefer losing than resorting to animal instincts.

Just my two cents. ;)

[Gavener]

'AFK-people Slaying' Problem
The developers should make a confirmation that asking whether guild members want to join in a war which the guild leader's currently waging. If they don't accept it, they're flagged as unPvPable, they can't attack the opposing guild members or be attacked by them.


'Outside Help' Problem
Someone already mentioned the solution, to make outsiders can't heal/give buffs to people who are in a guild war, with exception during KQ.


Sure, real life and virtual wars can be won by dirty tricks. However, certainly a war is better to be fought fair and square, to promote a fun and healthy competition between guilds. I personally dislike winning a dishonorable war, I prefer losing than resorting to animal instincts.

Just my two cents. ;)

Great post !, only one that makes Fair sense.

[Vater_Araignee]

Simply stated you "can't" rev somebody in a war if you are not in their guild but you can heal.
Thats they way it is programed so it is fair.
Solution, pay for outsiders to heal you.
Better yet bribe the outsider to stop healing the enemy.

[alsoknownastk]

You know what, i have no problem with clerics outside the guild healing, but, as long as they are in a guild themselves that way after the war you can pwn there guild for interfering. but me personally i dont think its fair for someone without a guild of there own to interfer because if they really wanted to be apart of a war they would be in a guild so they can truely enjoy a real war. ive had plenty of times where it was like 4 on 1(me being the 1) and i would perfer it be that way if i either have no members on or im thrown into that situation where i have to fight alone, it really can be annoying when a guildless cleric begins to heal people who are in guilds and at war. This being said, the person healing in a war they are not apart of will have there guild targeted and more likely be kicked from the guild if done enough times, be honest, would you want to be continuely warred because of someone elses outsdie interferense. my way of fixing the problem

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[james00937]

i think its a good idea that clerics heal cuz its nice