Sparkcash Not Worth The Price?

[Bjorninfal]

Recently I've been trying out another game and giving Fiesta a break. In that game I decided to buy some gold. Now I know people say you're not supposed to do that, etc etc. But here's the reason I did it.

For $30 I got 100 million. That's the equivalent of AT LEAST 1 gem in Fiesta. For 30 bucks...

Now I spent $700+ since January, which would be the equivalent of at least 23+ gems at the same price structure. Now in reality, the money I spent on Spark cash didn't even come close to being worth 1 gem, let alone 23+ gems.
Even the gold bots in this game say you get 4000s for that price. Which falls miserably short of other games.

Fiesta is free to play due to the funding from advertisers that they just got (hence the new forum setup with the add spamming banner that is very annoying in my opinion.) So that means all sparkcash money is pure profit for them, with possibly a small portion of it going toward costs.

So my question would be, who would be up for a restructuring of Sparkcash prices for Fiesta? Because as it stands, I'm never buying Sparkcash again with the pricing that's set up. Not unless prices are dropped by at LEAST half. Feel free to post thoughts here after voting.

[donkster]

actually your taking 2 different things and comparing them like they are the same. Just cause you have SC doesnt mean your gonna have loads of cash.

[Lubetek]

It'll never happen because their main focus isn't on the players who buy SC, it's the money making aspect. As long as people continue to buy it they will never change a thing. I mean heaven forbid the if people don't buy stuff how will they feed their children and keep a roof over their heads. I keep hearing about how the only income they have is from SC because Fiesta is F2P. If that were true they would never have the financial resources to fund a game to begin with. You should stay playing w/e other game your playing. They wont change a thing, which is why Fiesta is headed down a path of destruction and nothing more. Bad business practices is what it comes down to.

[Bjorninfal]

actually your taking 2 different things and comparing them like they are the same. Just cause you have SC doesnt mean your gonna have loads of cash.

That's not what I was comparing. I know you don't get gold with sparkcash. but you do get the ability to enhance items.

And if you have lots of money you can buy already enhanced items. So the 2 end up being comparable that way.

For example, I buy 100 mil in another game. I can buy w/e equip I want for a very long time. To help me level faster and be better.

If pay 30 bucks of sparkcash I get maybe one +9 t3. Not including the in game costs to enhance. That was my point.

You can compare gold value to sparkcash value. and what you get out of sparkcash isn't worth what you pay compared to other games. that's all I was saying. and asking for opinions and votes. thanks donkey :-)

[donkster]

That's not what I was comparing. I know you don't get gold with sparkcash. but you do get the ability to enhance items.

And if you have lots of money you can buy already enhanced items. So the 2 end up being comparable that way.

For example, I buy 100 mil in another game. I can buy w/e equip I want for a very long time. To help me level faster and be better.

If pay 30 bucks of sparkcash I get maybe one +9 t3. Not including the in game costs to enhance. That was my point.

You can compare gold value to sparkcash value. and what you get out of sparkcash isn't worth what you pay compared to other games. that's all I was saying. and asking for opinions and votes. thanks donkey :-)


your putting too much focus on making money then having fun, thats the problems your having.

[shevchenko.7]

the game is free but if you want some extra's stuff u need pay for it

its not like runescape u need pay membership for come to other city's

[Bjorninfal]

your putting too much focus on making money then having fun, thats the problems your having.

My post wasn't about making money. it was about the fact that I spent 700 damn dollars on this game and I feel like I got horribly screwed. Stop twisting my words around and let other people actually vote based on their opinion of my ACTUAL post question. Thank you.

[donkster]

My post wasn't about making money. it was about the fact that I spent 700 damn dollars on this game and I feel like I got horribly screwed. Stop twisting my words around and let other people actually vote based on their opinion of my ACTUAL post question. Thank you.

hmm, why would you waste that much money on this game? You bought cookies and then used them while in pvp1. You wasted things you bought doing useless things, this is why you feel like you got screwed over. When people cookie, its usually to train.

[kinsin]

its hard to have fun when you are competitive and say my archer has almost 3k hp unbuffed... another archer same lvl same gear but with extender/teva/cookies

i stopped paying sparkcash as well, but i guess its harder for me since im a college student haha
i wish the prices were lowered, but oh well :] poor college student ftl!!!!!!!

[princessalid]

i think i understand what is going on here, but i still dont see why you buy sparkcash and complain about the rates you pay in other games..Outspark charges a certain amount of money for certain amounts of sparkcash...if you choose to buy alot, then that is your choice and your problem

[Lostchild346]

Yeah I am with you bjorninfal I am playing 2 othere Games now I have spent way too much money on sparkcash and for what to participate In Recycled KQs broken quest Overcrowded Grinding Areas. For Immature Brats who have no Gamming etiquette at all
BTW fiesta YOU need to Triple If not Quadropple The areas So that no one has to be fighting for spots to Grind

[Bjorninfal]

Ok first off, I didn't use cookies all the time just to pvp. I used them to grind and when i lvled or got bored, usually still had one on left over till it ran out. Only a couple times did I use 1 specifically to mess around in pvp.

To get anywhere in this game you have to buy sparkcash. There's no way around it, unless you want to spend WAY more time on leveling and also not be as good as all the other people who do use sparkcash. To be elite, you have to pay. No way around it.

And yes, it was my choice to spend it. Read the purpose of this post please. I wasn't complaining about BUYING sparkcash. I did that and it's my own fault. You people put words in my mouth.

I made the post to vote if you think sparkcash should be cheaper for people because it's not worth what we pay. What you guys are griping back to me about is something I didn't even say. So get it straight plz before you decide to attack me. I don't need useless flaming for things I didn't even say.

On that note, please vote based on the topic, not what people decide to complain about. Thanks.

[Strang3r]

I have to agree with bjorninfal.

Anyway in my opinion, the prices of things aren't worth what we get. I was about to buy a lot of stuff but I thought, "nah, spending this much for a game isn't worth it". I'd rather play until the end for free! :P

Golden rule- The lower the price, the more people buy. (and the happier I get as a customer! xD)

[Cherushi]

O.o They have lowered the price already x.x"!

HP/SP extenders which used to be hours only have 7-30 days options now and stuff... they are trying to reduce the prices...

they cant really reduce it right away i think.. and for the worth it part... i see improvements in the game, i think its worth it :P

The game has gone a long way from what it was like 6 months ago, and it has come this far i think due to the help of the people that paid for this game.

They said they are working in reducing them, though i for one won't complain if they lower it abit more. I can buy more things really but I want them to be careful in looking at this. I want the prices reduced if more profit for them really :P I want to pay for this game because I like it ^^

[Strang3r]

IWhat I do like spending on is the Workout T-shirt, cheap and smexy, I might buy 12 of them!

Oh btw, this may be a bit off topic but on the last update notice they said that the Workout items have been reduced in price. But I notice that the price for the 30days Workout T-shirt is still at 625 spark cash. Does anyone know which workout item is being reduced?

[Nenova]

Advertisements on the forum? I don't see a banner XD Where is it supposed to be? O.o

[Shahared]

Recently I've been trying out another game and giving Fiesta a break. In that game I decided to buy some gold. Now I know people say you're not supposed to do that, etc etc. But here's the reason I did it.

For $30 I got 100 million. That's the equivalent of AT LEAST 1 gem in Fiesta. For 30 bucks...

Now I spent $700+ since January, which would be the equivalent of at least 23+ gems at the same price structure. Now in reality, the money I spent on Spark cash didn't even come close to being worth 1 gem, let alone 23+ gems.
Even the gold bots in this game say you get 4000s for that price. Which falls miserably short of other games.

Fiesta is free to play due to the funding from advertisers that they just got (hence the new forum setup with the add spamming banner that is very annoying in my opinion.) So that means all sparkcash money is pure profit for them, with possibly a small portion of it going toward costs.

So my question would be, who would be up for a restructuring of Sparkcash prices for Fiesta? Because as it stands, I'm never buying Sparkcash again with the pricing that's set up. Not unless prices are dropped by at LEAST half. Feel free to post thoughts here after voting.

A few big problems I think that are not addressed with your point of view. First off, in my opinion, buying gold on an MMO kinda defeats the purpose. Not only does it violate the terms of service in basically ever MMO out there (which could jeopardize your whole account, and lead to you being banned and having your account deleted), but it defeats the purpose of the game. Why play a game if your just going to 'cheat' by getting money without working for it in the game. What kind of challenge is that?

And your wrong about the way Outspark gets profit. Yes they have advertisements on the webpage, but that doesn't even put a dent in the price it costs to run all the severs and pay for the bandwidth required, the website itself and its bandwidth, the technical personnel required to run all the servers and keep them maintained, the salary of the staff required to run the game (the GMs, CSRs, admin, etc.), the advertising staff and the advertising of the game itself. Thats the full time salary of a lot of people. Then they have to license aspect and updates to the game itself. They still need Outspark cash to make a living.

Perhaps what I want to point out is that Outpsark is a business, they have to make a profit. In my opinion it sounded like you where saying that Outspark making a profit is a bad thing. Let's not forget that if you enjoy the game you should support it, otherwise it won't be here for you to enjoy. People depend on this game to make a living, and to supply us with more games. In the future Outspark could be hosting tons of cool games for us to play.

And as has been stated above, you are not required to actually buy sparkcash to play. It's free, you can buy as little or as much as you want. The worth you place on it is your own. Sure, the prices could be altered a bit, they probably will be in the future. But that is something they need to think of when they consider their business plan, and not something determine by the players. Because if it where up to the players, everything would be free, and Outspark wouldn't make any money.

[Guice]

I'm sorry, but I have only bought sparkcash once in the past month that I've been playing. i did it just to get teh red eyes and blue miles to enhance my weapon without it breaking. I did it because I want a top of the line weapon.

That being said, I did not do it to further myself in the game. I'm a cleric who plans to heal and only fight when necessary, so my weapon is almost useless to me, almost (yes, i said almost).

I don't like games where you can pay real money and become an "untouchable" in the game. Then people with money to blow will always outperform me. that just sucks. I find the fun in the game is in working to achieve results. Not having the results handed to you.

I went out and got Ultima Online 9 years ago and tried it out. The first day I met up with someone ingame. He showed me a few things and we went and beat a dragon together. I asked him what came after this and his answer was "Nothing, this is it." I never played again. I felt like I had done all I could do in that one day. What was there to strive for?

That is why I like that you cannot simply buy your way to the top in this game.

That being said...I wish there were more permanent items. i refuse to buy something that is only going to last for 30 days. Get me more things that are permanent and I may spend more money. And i don't mean permanent HP raises or stat raises. I mean like clothing, riders, better looking armor, housing, etc...

One last thing, you cannot compare what you pay here to another game. If everyone in this game pays the same price for an item, then you have no advantage over them and vice versa. Compare this game to itself and only itself. You're not being screwed out of money and you don't have to pay to keep up with everyone else. I'm doing quite well. At level 30 I have 430s in my main character. I did all this without sparkcash. I simply played the game. With that money ingame, I can get anything I want and need for my level.

When I did buy the red eyes and blue miles, yes i jumped a little. I could have taken my 430s and paid a higher level enchanter to enchant my weapon. but then I would have to worry they didn't jsut outright steal my weapon from me, or break it (because if they didn't use sparkcash, it could break). So I chose the safe route in enhancing my weapon, that I so dearly love and don't want to replace until I hit level 40.

[FrostFruit]

Even though you do buy golds, sparkcash items have unique things to offer such as the pets and houses, also changing your face!

With that much gems..what would you spend it on? You will have useless money. You can buy the top armor and what not, but then the money will be useless. Sparkcash increases other things such as HP.

I find that sparkcash is a bit pricey, such as the reset scrolls. We all make mistakes and it is $5 to fix it.

Anyways, you are not required to buy it and they(the company) needs to make a profit somehow.

I will pay for sparkcash(still figuring out how to pay them) to support the buisness and later on, they might lower the price when they are financially stable. Giving back to the community.

I'm fighting within myself whether to vote for or against lowering the prices of sparkcash items.

[Bjorninfal]

Fiesta isn't the only game with a cash shop where you can get pets, etc. And yes I know about the issues with buying gold, I don't do it. This was merely a test to see how useful that money I spent was vs how much I spent here. I didn't even bring up price comparison between cash shops.

And I understand this game is here to make a profit. I've played plenty of MMORPG's and preached that to people all the time when they complain about things. But you know as well as I do that they could drop the prices a lot and make more profit because more people would buy. And it would make people happier.

I dont have to be rich and the best to be happy in a game. Because you meet people that you want to be around and play with, and that is good enough if you find the right people. But there are people out there who play to be the best. No matter how you want to get there. You can't say they're wrong for wanting to be the best. Or you'd be a hypocrite for wanting to better yourself in any way.

I just think Outspark could easily lower their prices and end up having more people buy, which would make them more profit. I know it's all in their projected business sales, where they may not be willing to risk it. Why fix something that they think isn't broken right? But they have to realize that the way it is now, may not end up being the best solution for them in the end.

Plenty of games have died this way.

P.S> to Shaharad or however you spell it. They did just get 12mil+ for funding this game from advertising contracts. if you're telling me you can't run a game on 12 mil, they're getting screwed somewhere along the line lol.

[kinsin]

bring back valentines set ^^ = my money lol
til then >.> *hides credit card*

[julio1292]

Ok first off, I didn't use cookies all the time just to pvp. I used them to grind and when i lvled or got bored, usually still had one on left over till it ran out. Only a couple times did I use 1 specifically to mess around in pvp.

To get anywhere in this game you have to buy sparkcash. There's no way around it, unless you want to spend WAY more time on leveling and also not be as good as all the other people who do use sparkcash. To be elite, you have to pay. No way around it.

And yes, it was my choice to spend it. Read the purpose of this post please. I wasn't complaining about BUYING sparkcash. I did that and it's my own fault. You people put words in my mouth.

I made the post to vote if you think sparkcash should be cheaper for people because it's not worth what we pay. What you guys are griping back to me about is something I didn't even say. So get it straight plz before you decide to attack me. I don't need useless flaming for things I didn't even say.

On that note, please vote based on the topic, not what people decide to complain about. Thanks.




umm no u dnt have to use sparkcash to get far in the game an i dnt do much grinding at all look at me a guy who never in his life used sparkcash but yet managed to get 67 hah! isnt 67 far enough u say???? and even tho u dnt have sparkcash doesnt mean u wont be as strong as others niether but i do admit i have low dmg but thats cuz i went almost full end that was my fault but anyways thats not the point im trying to make the point is well suimple words the only thing that SC can make u stronger is b cookies extra buff extenders but tof course that is not permenet also some ppl view me as a good tanker as so i was told but... yea i think i made my point

[l7eath]

umm no u dnt have to use sparkcash to get far in the game an i dnt do much grinding at all look at me a guy who never in his life used sparkcash but yet managed to get 67 hah! isnt 67 far enough u say???? and even tho u dnt have sparkcash doesnt mean u wont be as strong as others niether but i do admit i have low dmg but thats cuz i went almost full end that was my fault but anyways thats not the point im trying to make the point is well suimple words the only thing that SC can make u stronger is b cookies extra buff extenders but tof course that is not permenet also some ppl view me as a good tanker as so i was told but... yea i think i made my point

i disagree with you, having SC does make you stronger in every way. Quote "and even tho u dnt have sparkcash doesnt mean u wont be as strong as others niether" It does mean you are weaker than the one with SC. Quote "SC can make u stronger is b cookies extra buff extenders but tof course that is not permenet" Well, you got some of them right, but ur missing out on the red/blue eyes which most of the pple use their SC to buy and it is pernament. If you want to be on the top of this game, you have to buy SC that the intension behind it, but it also up to you to decide if its worth it. IMO, hell no it aint worth it!

[PumaMaster123]

well i dont use SC often, especially not to enhance, just buy already +9'd gear and merchant in the game or find a good moneymaking skill that you have like farm for good gear.

[julio1292]

i disagree with you, having SC does make you stronger in every way. Quote "and even tho u dnt have sparkcash doesnt mean u wont be as strong as others niether" It does mean you are weaker than the one with SC. Quote "SC can make u stronger is b cookies extra buff extenders but tof course that is not permenet" Well, you got some of them right, but ur missing out on the red/blue eyes which most of the pple use their SC to buy and it is pernament. If you want to be on the top of this game, you have to buy SC that the intension behind it, but it also up to you to decide if its worth it. IMO, hell no it aint worth it!

well i dnt use SC nd i still have +9 gears does it still make me weaker then the ppl who use them?!?! not really

[kinsin]

i think 17eath is trying to say...

2 people have same or close to eachothers gear, say both +9
then add in the person with extender... a crit suit or a def suit, some lil pet that increases more, glasses and charms...
he or she will be stronger

during 60 and under it doesn't really matter.. its when ur 60+ that really shows it

and i do agree btw, the sparkcash is a bit expensive for me since im a college student

[Tankue]

I just buy sparkie cash to look pretty. Nothing like a cleric in bloomers and a "tree hugger" knocking over mobs.
Also to enhance items. So far getting my money's worth.