CP1 Navar training discussion/KSer!!!

[CJ1Ever]

Aright, Im posting this just to get your guys suggestion whether this is act right or wrongful act.

So me and my friends was training in navar in CP1, as you all know, that place require 2 rooms to train efficiently since Im a high lvl mag. So while we training, this other party comes in other room, and started attacking. Okay, so i know they might not know we are already here, so i approach them and ask them to to find another place to aoe, i then went to aoe on the other side of the room and after that, they still haven't left, then i say "hello", there is no response. Then i decided to cast my aoe on them, then all this whole ksing starts.

There is a second part to this, but im not taking about that, i just want to make it clear is it justify for us to have the 2 rooms. From my experience, everyone respected that mag killed fast and need both rooms from navar to train. And most partys knows and would leave if they found that spotted taken.

Thanks and leave ur comments.

Edit: Whether im correct or wrong, this will prevent future conflicts. =)

[Andromeda]

Aright, Im posting this just to get your guys suggestion whether this is act right or wrongful act.

So me and my friends was training in navar in CP1, as you all know, that place require 2 rooms to train efficiently since Im a high lvl mag. So while we training, this other party comes in other room, and started attacking. Okay, so i know they might not know we are already here, so i approach them and ask them to to find another place to aoe, i then went to aoe on the other side of the room and after that, they still haven't left, then i say "hello", there is no response. Then i decided to cast my aoe on them, they all this whole ksing starts.

There is a second part to this, but im not taking about that, i just want to make it clear is it justify for us to have the 2 rooms. From my experience, everyone respected that mag killed fast and need both rooms from navar to train. And most partys knows and would leave if they found that spotted taken.

Thanks and leave ur comments.

Edit: Whether im correct or wrong, this will prevent future conflicts. =)

Always find another spot if there is another party in the room to prevent drama and I dont think anybody grinds in CP anymore only for quests at your level you should be in Trumpy Remains...

[ExDragonMaster]

Always find another spot if there is another party in the room to prevent drama and I dont think anybody grinds in CP anymore only for quests at your level you should be in Trumpy Remains...

Problem is, the other party DIDN'T do that. And that's how this whole drama situation happened.

[CJ1Ever]

There are many reasons why a high lvl train at anywhere,in my case, was training bunch of close friends =).

[TITLE]

No drawn conclusion to this situation... simply can be a flame thread for some..

[rainaikai]

so you accusing us ks?? xD

This is what happen

We go to navar and take the Small room, and we let you take the big one

and you ksed us well you don't happy to kased and you and your Party mate's War us and get killed to take over the room ^^

is that what Happen CJ tell me now.....

This is Paolyn The Fighter:)

[CJ1Ever]

for what i know, navar is one aoe spot with 2 rooms. If they take one, i think it will lose the purpose of coming to cp1 and aoe there =(.


so you accusing us ks?? xD

This is what happen

We go to navar and take the Small room, and we let you take the big one

and you ksed us well you don't happy to kased and you and your Party mate's War us and get killed to take over the room ^^

is that what Happen CJ tell me now.....

This is Paolyn The Fighter:)

Edit: from my sis (she was here with me the whole time, lol) "Why suddenly talking so nice with happy face Paolyn, where your big mouth go?"

We war you not cuz u ks us but because of your big mouth.

Another quote i found it funny
Paolyn said she take her big mouth as a gift
I reply "Yep is a gift, my friend had to block you" =(

She also said, why you quitted guild when guild war declared? What are you running from, then after she quit, she was like "ahahhaahhaha" then went to another guild then tell me to guild war that guild. She find it very funny and immature.

[TITLE]

Are we done talking about the drama... Now shake hands and make-up.

[CJ1Ever]

Im in a calm mood now, if she is up for it lol

Edit: she ruined my day and my mood of training.

[DigitalChaos_V2]

I think that it is nice to have the two rooms but if another pt comes and grind in a room they have the right to be there. i grinded ther many times with both rooms but once a seprate party comes we let them have a room, relizing that it would be slower it still is not right to have both rooms, then u ksd them which sorrta escalated it all. then from a previous post you wared them (dont kno if true) which i think is against warring rules if u war as a act of revenge... i dont kno this is just what i think about the subject.


Lunethia

[ExDragonMaster]

This is my assessment of the situation:
- It is common practice for high levels to have BOTH rooms to AoE. And thus, it is common courtesy for an intruding party to leave when
- CJ tried to ask the other party to leave.
- None of the members of the other party responded, thus leaving CJ to assume that they trying to steal his spot (of course assuming that you knew the common practice above).
- This made CJ retaliate by KSing. Of course the other party (who assumed CJ was being rude) responded by KSing back, leading to a HUGE drama, with one of their party members annoying us by spamming and us (we of course assumed a lack of respect for us and etiquette in general) warring your cleric's guild and PKing him.
- Question is: Who of the two parties was right?

tl;dr: we all acted like idiots >_>
I would like a clear-up of this misunderstanding. ^^

[CJ1Ever]

My experience tells me that navar is one aoe spot and when they came and take over one room and i asked them to find another spot, there is no reply. And i find it they not respecting us having coming to the spot first. I picked Navar because that's the room where not many people go and if i went there and found another pt there, i would leave. There is not much to do with one room in navar or else we would have gone fos.

[rainaikai]

well cj i'm ready for shaking hands

but hahah

check this out, how about you are training 3 members on your party ^^ is that legal ???

^^

[ExDragonMaster]

Legal and happens all the time. Not just in Fiesta either. It's common practice to do it in all MMO's

[CJ1Ever]

well cj i'm ready for shaking hands

but hahah

check this out, how about you are training 3 members on your party ^^ is that legal ???

^^

*Shakes Hand*
for ur question, didn't i say i m training with my friends? If they are afk, do u need to care? =)

Edit: thanks for leaving comments and have a good day.

[rainaikai]

ok we agree all shake hands ^^ i'm easy to talk ^^ well what now?

[ToorimaKun]

in my opion this kinda thing happends becuse mobs are to easy... and there isn't enough good grinding areas.

for instance in CP there are only 4 genral areas that people like to grind in... the rest the map is taken up with colls and the mage guys.

and with mobs being so easy alot of the places are taken up by people that are DUOing or SOLOing... makeing it so that instead of there being 25 people in each map grinding there are 4-8 people grinding.

** also the lack of in-game GMs dosn't help any... they seem to be geating more GMs but seeing them less and less in-game. O.o **

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Always find another spot if there is another party in the room to prevent drama and I dont think anybody grinds in CP anymore only for quests at your level you should be in Trumpy Remains...

OMG! Andromeda!! i havn't seen you post in forever... forgot your IGN. >.<
thought you were gone.
any way hi/bye

[platina]

Cp1 navars is a 2 rooms with 2 aoe spots, unless u can aoe both rooms at same time, u cant take or claim both rooms as urs.

[Xylvion]

actually it's inleagal to spotclaim x_x, but well ppl do it in abys anyways lawl xP
so the ppl that comes after aint showing respect, i agree on that! but to war for revenge well it's inleagal so the pt that cme to u sounds (imo) that they were the only ones following the laws x_x
guess u will hate me now xP, no big deal we're not on the same server anyways~~ xD

[LaLakers.84]

farashimisanoob anwser my pm plz hehe

[Poisoned77]

This should have been handled through PMs, but here's the deal. There is no spot claiming anywhere in Fiesta. Period. Everyone has a right to grind anywhere they want to, regardless who was there first.

Both parties are at fault for Kill stealing, which is also against the rules.


Edit: from my sis (she was here with me the whole time, lol) "Why suddenly talking so nice with happy face Paolyn, where your big mouth go?"

We war you not cuz u ks us but because of your big mouth.

Another quote i found it funny
Paolyn said she take her big mouth as a gift
I reply "Yep is a gift, my friend had to block you" =(

She also said, why you quitted guild when guild war declared? What are you running from, then after she quit, she was like "ahahhaahhaha" then went to another guild then tell me to guild war that guild. She find it very funny and immature.

You are just racking up the ToS violations, aren't you?

It is against the rules to war another guild because a member of another guild did not do what you wanted. Wars should be kept in towns unless both guilds agree to do it somewhere else. I would suggest re-reading the ToS (since I know you diligently went over them when you joined Fiesta).

http://www.outspark.com/legal

And I suggest you review the guild war guidelines.


1. When a guild is first created, there is an option, in the form of a small box that gives the option of being a non warring guild. Please note that if a player makes or is a member of a non warring guild you will be unable to participate in the GM Guild War event.

2. ANY player that joins a warring guild accepts certain risks by being a member of that guild. The most obvious of these is being warred when you are not wanting to pvp.

Now the rules of guild warring:

1. Guild wars are never to be used as a means of coercion. What this means is NEVER threaten to guild war a player if they refuse to do something you want. This is a form of harassment and doing so will risk action against the individual, the guild admins, and in severe cases deletion of the guild

2. Guild wars are never to be used as a means of revenge. It doesn’t matter how much a player may have offended you, or how much you may not like them. This is one reason why we have a block feature.

3. Chain warring (continuously warring a guild whenever possible) is prohibited. Unless agreed upon by both guilds. So threatening or actively warring a guild repeatedly is not allowed unless both guilds say it is okay.

4. Guild wars are never to be used to kick a player out of an area, or to ruin a players good time.

The key with most of these rules is intent. If the intent of any war is to break any of these rules, action WILL be taken. Please realize some of these rules may appear to be broken during the course of an average guild war, so take the circumstances into account before reporting it.

Guidelines

These are just some guidelines to try and follow for a fair and enjoyable guild war experience. These guidelines are optional, and do not constitute a violation of the rules except under extreme circumstances.

1. Don’t spawn kill: Try to give a warring player a chance to recover and prepare before attacking them. This will help promote good relations even between rival guilds.

2. Don’t shop kill: If a player is in a shop try not to kill them. The point of pvp is to test your skill against fellow players in combat. Not against a player who can’t fight back.

3. Try to keep the guild wars in town: While certainly not always possible, trying to keep a guild war in town will allow those players who do not want to participate in the war from having to get involved.

4. Give warred players a chance to withdraw if they ask for it: Some player may just want to leave. If a player asks to be left alone to go level or quest please try to be courteous and allow them to withdraw from the field
I hope this clarifies once and for all the rules and guidelines for the guild wars. I will be making changes to this document as new situations arise.

GM Dakkon

[mulberry]

You people need to learn to share. Period. Have a nice day ;)

[TITLE]

OK, they shook hands and made-up...very well settle... :D

[EnclosedKal]

AGAIN!! MY only suggestion is!

Can we have faster monster respawn or more maps?!!!!

This is the only solution...
lolllll

[EnclosedKal]

theres no sharing in AOE Party, if you share, you get no experience, why would anyone want to waste time to lvl up like this

[Poisoned77]

AGAIN!! MY only suggestion is!

Can we have faster monster respawn or more maps?!!!!

This is the only solution...
lolllll


theres no sharing in AOE Party, if you share, you get no experience, why would anyone want to waste time to lvl up like this

Again, it's against the rules. If you are unable to share mobs with other people then you maybe you should find another way to grind besides an AOE party. If you are unable to follow Outspark's ToS, maybe you shouldn't be playing their games.

[lenore_lurks]

The Navar room/s strike again! You guys should look in the Apoline section because there was a massive blow-out about this exact same thing. People were named, and the thread got closed. Another was started without names, but it may be inactive now (look back a few pages).

Basically we figured that although you may be a higher level character and need those rooms to grind effectively, it does not automatically give you the right to use both rooms. If you are grinding in one room, and another party comes along and uses the other, then they have the right to be there, you cannot simply kick them out just because you want to use both rooms. Neither party can spot claim. If you can get there, you have the right to be there. There are no rules about particular areas and what players can and can't do there, but it is a matter of courtesy, which runs both ways. If you really needed both rooms, then you should have set someone up at the entrance saying 'we are using both right now, please dont use this space' but really, even if they still used it they had a right to.... because you weren't in there at the time, it was effectively an empty room. You may not see it as such as you were 'using' both, but from an outsiders perspective, that room was empty, they could therefore grind there.

Basically you will never get a set answer to your question, just lots of opinions on the subject. So take from it what you will. Hopefully my opinions will give you another perspective. :)

[Angelxx]

I think that it is nice to have the two rooms but if another pt comes and grind in a room they have the right to be there. i grinded ther many times with both rooms but once a seprate party comes we let them have a room, relizing that it would be slower it still is not right to have both rooms, then u ksd them which sorrta escalated it all. then from a previous post you wared them (dont kno if true) which i think is against warring rules if u war as a act of revenge... i dont kno this is just what i think about the subject.


Lunethia

I second that.

1+1 never equals 1. It's 2 so don't claim that 2 rooms are 1.

Once you leave the room it is EMPTY. As such you cannot claim that you were using the room and it frees it up for others.
*rule against spot claiming not withstanding.
**player in-game understanding of 'first come first serve' stands

Yes, 2 rooms are more effective. Unfortunately you're NOT the only ones who exist in Fiesta so learn to share. If you do not wish to share, then it is your problem and you will have to go find another spot that you do not have to share.

Similar incident happened to me before:

New rule in spot claiming?! O.O (http://www.outspark.com//forums/showthread.php?t=71714&page=10)

New rule in spot claiming (take 2) (http://www.outspark.com//forums/showthread.php?t=72052)

[Angelxx]

My experience tells me that navar is one aoe spot and when they came and take over one room and i asked them to find another spot, there is no reply. And i find it they not respecting us having coming to the spot first. I picked Navar because that's the room where not many people go and if i went there and found another pt there, i would leave. There is not much to do with one room in navar or else we would have gone fos.

This is precisely why people have to be re-educated in game.

Your so-called experience is obviously from other players. Sorry to tell you this but you have simply learned bad playing etiquette from selfish players.


well cj i'm ready for shaking hands

but hahah

check this out, how about you are training 3 members on your party ^^ is that legal ???

^^

If you claim you wish to make up, don't make snide remarks. It kind of voids your claim.

As for him 'training' his party members, be it 1 or 3, that's his prerogative. There is nothing in ToS that says he can't.

[ToorimaKun]

AGAIN!! MY only suggestion is!

Can we have faster monster respawn or more maps?!!!!

This is the only solution...
lolllll

there are also acouple other isuess.
1: people DUOing or SOLOing also take up spots that a WHOLE PT could shar.

2: there are only acouple good places on etch map.

*** for exple in CP there are only 4 good places that people go to.
so if etch spot is taken by a DUOer or SOLOer thats ony 4-8 people per map, were the map could have 25 people... and more if more good spawn points were set. ***

** although SOME spots with faster spawn points and more maps would also help a great deal. **

[rainaikai]

^_^ ok enough now ^^ the issue is over hehe

[Serric]

Well, seeing as you can't claim a room or area what, exactly, did they do wrong? If you were in one room and they occupied the other, as far as I know you have no say in whether or not they leave. You can ask them, yes, but they also have the right to say no.

I am going to close this thread before it erupts but keep this in mind when girning: no one has the right to tell another party to go from an area which was vacant at the time they arrived. That's the risk you run when trying to train in multiple rooms - you may lose one.