Archers compared to Mages

[Warior0711]

Skimming through the forums, i noticed something really frightening:
Do archers rarely ever get into a party if there already is a mage in it?
Will Archers spend the rest of their lives living alone in misery while
the mages are owning with their parties?

[Lythari]

I find soloing far more preferable to partying. I wouldn't use the term 'misery' in reference to such. However, as of now mages are the more efficient killers; so to an extent, yes.

[Farashimisanoob]

Archers are fine at 51-60.
Mages are best at 60+

[DarthRaider666]

Not always Archer is kicked out of any party. Their poison attack is pretty handy during boss fight.

[RyaikenDune]

Can people stop posting threads about this?
There is a thread made by Threesoldiers (read: Ace01) about this. It's called Everything about Archers V/S Mages. There, is a complete compilation of the whole scenario, with update posts from after the AoE cool down patch.

We are different from mages:
Tell me, can a level 36 mage or tank 3 Harkans in CP with only scrolls and the support of an (albeit very very good) cleric?.
I did. That's right. I, a level 36, 25SPR rest DEX archer did what no mage would be able to do till the mid 40s.
In fact I could kite harkans with only 3 stones per kill (kind of useless though =P). A mage would have to be in the mid 40s as well to do that.

We need help:
Just because archers are different from mages doesn't mean we don't need help. Archers are still a relatively underpowered class and don't really fit their character description. (9 skills by level 75, not enough evasion, weak DoTs, etc.)

Parties:
I have had no problems from level 1-39. I know exactly where I am wanted and exactly where I'm not.
For example:
Archer Situations:
-Cleric soloing and taking tonnes of time to kill effectively. You will almost never be refuesed.
-Tank with the same problem.
-Squishy mage kiting the entire map
-Another archer. (Archers make great parties).
Mage Situations:
-Heal Bot cleric/Full STR Clank looking for a party.
-Tank and Cleric duoing and taking a lot of time. (Where mages get the most parties because with a pure end fighter, no one needs the extra defence of an archer.)
-Archer trending one monster at a time in a deserted map (eg. level 30 abyss).

The real distinction:
Archer: Better at Solo. Much better at Duo.
Mage: Trio Rulers- Archers suck at trio. (Fighter-Cleric-Mage). Gods of PvP. Slightly better at PvP

A successful AoE party (when fighting orange monsters) should have both an archer and a mage.
Archer= Rapid Fire AoE+Poison+Party Saver+Back Up Tank+Aggro Master
Mage= Extremely high damage+Curse remover

In fact archers have MORE points in an AoE team than a mage. (They're still pretty equal role-wise).

Bottom Line: Please people, stop making Archer v/s Mage threads. This includes the class arena forums as well.

[yoshi16]

Can people stop posting threads about this?
There is a thread made by Threesoldiers (read: Ace01) about this. It's called Everything about Archers V/S Mages. There, is a complete compilation of the whole scenario, with update posts from after the AoE cool down patch.

We are different from mages:
Tell me, can a level 36 mage or tank 3 Harkans in CP with only scrolls and the support of an (albeit very very good) cleric?.
I did. That's right. I, a level 36, 25SPR rest DEX archer did what no mage would be able to do till the mid 40s.
In fact I could kite harkans with only 3 stones per kill (kind of useless though =P). A mage would have to be in the mid 40s as well to do that.

We need help:
Just because archers are different from mages doesn't mean we don't need help. Archers are still a relatively underpowered class and don't really fit their character description. (9 skills by level 75, not enough evasion, weak DoTs, etc.)

Parties:
I have had no problems from level 1-39. I know exactly where I am wanted and exactly where I'm not.
For example:
Archer Situations:
-Cleric soloing and taking tonnes of time to kill effectively. You will almost never be refuesed.
-Tank with the same problem.
-Squishy mage kiting the entire map
-Another archer. (Archers make great parties).
Mage Situations:
-Heal Bot cleric/Full STR Clank looking for a party.
-Tank and Cleric duoing and taking a lot of time. (Where mages get the most parties because with a pure end fighter, no one needs the extra defence of an archer.)
-Archer trending one monster at a time in a deserted map (eg. level 30 abyss).

The real distinction:
Archer: Better at Solo. Much better at Duo.
Mage: Trio Rulers- Archers suck at trio. (Fighter-Cleric-Mage). Gods of PvP. Slightly better at PvP

A successful AoE party (when fighting orange monsters) should have both an archer and a mage.
Archer= Rapid Fire AoE+Poison+Party Saver+Back Up Tank+Aggro Master
Mage= Extremely high damage+Curse remover

In fact archers have MORE points in an AoE team than a mage. (They're still pretty equal role-wise).

Bottom Line: Please people, stop making Archer v/s Mage threads. This includes the class arena forums as well.

well.....people are just making their opinions and there's no need to go looking for one single thread about a certain topic that's already out there. Point being, I think archer's need more skills and more damage

[RyaikenDune]

Actually there is. When there is a pre-existing thread about a topic, it is usually common courtesy to post on it. Imagine everytime someone came up with an idea for an archer skill they made a new thread. No one would ever be able to get a word in.
For details, use the search function.

And BTW, archers are about to get more damage ^^.
New skills is something everyone agrees on.

[ljkabookie]

A successful AoE party (when fighting orange monsters) should have both an archer and a mage.
Archer= Rapid Fire AoE+Poison+Party Saver+Back Up Tank+Aggro Master
Mage= Extremely high damage+Curse remover

In fact archers have MORE points in an AoE team than a mage. (They're still pretty equal role-wise).


Im sorry but i have to disagree, archers only really shine solo or in a duo. reason being is that poison doesnt stack. so as sad as this is (ive tested it) a party with a cleric, tanker and 3 mages will gain more exp per hour that your suggested party, reason i say this is because even if we take lets say archers at lvl 51 and mages at lvl 51. yes archers have 2 aoe skills but they do not do as much damage as the mages (only 1 aoe skill) because of 3 things, the archers multi shot doesnt do near the damage a mages does and second the poison aoe doesnt stack so its damage is pretty small, if it stacked it would be awsome. but it doesnt. 3rd even if we take the aoe skills out of the equasion archers are DOT, most of their skills are dot, where mages are pure damage, in a aoe party the idea is to drop creatures as fast as possible, again this comes down to archers poisions dont stack. if they did then they would be awsome you could have 3 archers casting bleed on the same creatures it would drop so fast, but you cant.

im really hoping that the new patch will improve archers performance cause atm its really just sad. im not flaming archers in any way cause i have an archer and i really like playing as it its just that the poison skills should stack for archers to be formidable in an AOE party.

[stephy2493]

well...i dont think archers need to reply on pt or on clerics XD soo dont get sad ppl just keep it up continue lvling up =) cheers!!! to everyone!!!

[FrostFruit]

I really like to duo. I can tank and hold aggro well. In parties, it is very slow.

I level once every 2 days in my 54+. So that's 1 million a day just killing orcs that give 500 experience. I'm helpful in my level and I can easily take down monsters in AEW.

So all in all, I really do not need a party. I like duos, they're fun.

No problems from level 51-59. However, I'm not to sure at level 60+. I have to experience it myself.

[mista_totti]

I really like to duo. I can tank and hold aggro well. In parties, it is very slow.

I level once every 2 days in my 54+. So that's 1 million a day just killing orcs that give 500 experience. I'm helpful in my level and I can easily take down monsters in AEW.

So all in all, I really do not need a party. I like duos, they're fun.

No problems from level 51-59. However, I'm not to sure at level 60+. I have to experience it myself.

hit 70 and try duo with a cleric at trumpy remains
rofl

[FrostFruit]

hit 70 and try duo with a cleric at trumpy remains
rofl

Yes, once I get 70 I will see. I'm not so sure. I just like clerics. What is so wrong about duoing in trumpy remains?

[the_strike]

i dont no why u guys say that im lvl 60 and i get partys even tho mages are in it all ppl i meet say they love nova and natures mist together its a mager kill and dont worry you will get partys i do all the time archers are awsome the only thing we need is a better aoe dmg dealer and a stun like attck then we would be fine