Fighters with Dexterity

[ixlei]

Hi everyone!

I just want to ask if there are any fighters around here with dex. :)
And I'm not saying like those with like 5 dex only. Those who have gone around with experimenting with maybe 30 dexterity or more...

I know there is already a Pure Dex fighter in Teva, Kudos to you for undertaking that task... :) But this time, I would like to know if there are any Str/Dex fighters or any hybrid of that kind...

I'm 'planning' to go dex, just because it bores me to have the same build with a lot of people but at the same time I want to know if it has enough advantages or if there are people who have gone this way...

Also I think there's a rumour that dex increases attack speed in the korean version of fiesta or something... can you please confirm this?

Thanks to everyone who will respond. And no flames please. :)

[blanketpenetrate]

Well, I suppose a pure dex build would be really good at evading, and not missing. I suppose the idea is that since you always hit you do more damage over time than people who might miss sometimes, and since you dodge more you take less damage. But then, when you do take or give damage it won't really be all that extraordinary either.

Howevah, fighters don't really have extraordinary aim or evasion, thats archers jurisdiction mainly. It might make something of a difference when naked, but I think if you slap an aim scroll or just have some dex gears on a fighter of different build thats all it would take to outperform you.

I dunno, go ahead and try. No shame in that.

EDIT: Oh yeah. I play japanese fiesta as well, and as far as I can tell dex has nuffin' to do with speed. Besides having different names the stats work the same.

[Lythari]

Well, I suppose a pure dex build would be really good at evading, and not missing. I suppose the idea is that since you always hit you do more damage over time than people who might miss sometimes, and since you dodge more you take less damage. But then, when you do take or give damage it won't really be all that extraordinary either.

Howevah, fighters don't really have extraordinary aim or evasion, thats archers jurisdiction mainly. It might make something of a difference when naked, but I think if you slap an aim scroll or just have some dex gears on a fighter of different build thats all it would take to outperform you.

I dunno, go ahead and try. No shame in that.

EDIT: Oh yeah. I play japanese fiesta as well, and as far as I can tell dex has nuffin' to do with speed. Besides having different names the stats work the same.

Dex will NOT give you good evasion. That is a major complaint of the archers. There really is no reason to invest in Dex for anything; the same benefits you get from about 30 or so stat points in Dex can be gained with a single T1 Evasion scroll. Only the scroll is easier to get and takes effect much faster than waiting to hit a level over 30.

[ljkabookie]

well you could argue that a scroll + dex stats is like total evasion, personally I wouldnt go this road, dec worked really crap when i did my archer and ended up stat resetting, but good on you if you decide to try, who knows it may tern out to be a good build, personally id go an axe if you were going to go this build.

[JustASimpleBoy]

I would think 10 DEX would be good, but full Dex? I really don't think so, because Fighters are made to Attack and Defend, this means they must have more Strength and Endurance and as Dexterity stat is not very upgraded, and as the Dexterity free stat is by percentage, it won't be of any good :/

In my mage I would have 10 DEX 25 SPR and full INT

[TITLE]

Never the least visit my post... If it still don't get to you I'll start some explaining going deep into DEX. Let's make the thread a DEX Fighter thread or something...lol.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72043

[ixlei]

yea i know abt ur post TITLE. :)

hmm.. maybe dex is still an 'incomplete' stat? coz it sorta does not match up to most of the other stats in terms of use/effectiveness... argh.. i shall try to find the archer rant thread thing that said something about dex... >.<

[Lythari]

This explains why Dexterity is useless:

http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29390

There's a little reading, but it's worth it to answer your question. While the thread is about archer Dex builds, the added benefits of Dex will be the same; just the base stats lower for fighters, meaning you will start out with even less base Evasion and Aim.

[TITLE]

This explains why Dexterity is useless

...

D:

I still pwn my lv65 pure STR warrior friend...

[ixlei]

http://fiesta.outspark.com/guide/?view=getting_leveling

please check out this link and look at the part under the 2nd image...
if that were true, therd be much less complaining from archers and maybe more vast possibilities for character builds.. but eh.. idk.. confuzzled now.. >.<

http://fiesta.outspark.com/guide/?view=getting_stats

[Hydr0]

Why choose to put Dex if you can just do more damage and use T3 aim scroll?
the scroll will make up for the lack of aim and you will kill faster.
you don't need high evasion because you will kill faster in pvp.

[TITLE]

And by having high evasion you save yourself getting hit hard from skills...

[ixlei]

okay.. TITLE, when im same level as you, can i experiment a few things on pvp with you? :)

[Lythari]

And by having high evasion you save yourself getting hit hard from skills...

If full Dex or Dex heavy archers can only evade about 3-4/10 attacks, there is no way in hell a fighter will do any better. Sorry to say, but the chances of you dodging attacks from an enemy at or above your level is fairly slim. Not nearly good enough for me to feel safe using as a safety mechanism. The most successful builds for fighters have always been and probably always will be:

Full End (Tanker)

Full Str

25 Spr/Full Str

These are tried and true as not only effective party and solo builds, but also PvP dominating. Why mess with perfection? Especially when the mathematics do not support your hypothesis. If the numbers worked out differently, I could see room for experimentation; but the numbers don't.

[TrailDawG]

If full Dex or Dex heavy archers can only evade about 3-4/10 attacks, there is no way in hell a fighter will do any better. Sorry to say, but the chances of you dodging attacks from an enemy at or above your level is fairly slim. Not nearly good enough for me to feel safe using as a safety mechanism. The most successful builds for fighters have always been and probably always will be:

Full End (Tanker)

Full Str

25 Spr/Full Str

These are tried and true as not only effective party and solo builds, but also PvP dominating. Why mess with perfection? Especially when the mathematics do not support your hypothesis. If the numbers worked out differently, I could see room for experimentation; but the numbers don't.

DEX is not a very good Free stat. But it is a very important stat to have in equips and works very well.

[Lythari]

DEX is not a very good Free stat. But it is a very important stat to have in equips and works very well.

Yes. However, free stats do not act the same way as equipment stats; and the thread is about a Dexterity build, not equipment set.

[TITLE]

okay.. TITLE, when im same level as you, can i experiment a few things on pvp with you? :)

Actually yes you can, but here's the summary of it.
Chances are it will be a equal draw(period)
But yes if your still around I'll glady experience and push forwth the Dexterity.


If full Dex or Dex heavy archers can only evade about 3-4/10 attacks, there is no way in hell a fighter will do any better. Sorry to say, but the chances of you dodging attacks from an enemy at or above your level is fairly slim. Not nearly good enough for me to feel safe using as a safety mechanism. The most successful builds for fighters have always been and probably always will be:

Full End (Tanker)

Full Str

25 Spr/Full Str

These are tried and true as not only effective party and solo builds, but also PvP dominating. Why mess with perfection? Especially when the mathematics do not support your hypothesis. If the numbers worked out differently, I could see room for experimentation; but the numbers don't.

We won't know till we get there and try now will we. :D

Dexterity can always be a alternative (INT fighter huh good luck with that ;)). Anyways, yes I don't dodge enough against mobs lv10+ off me. But I've taken out Lv65+ so call Hybrids and those pure brute STRs (It was out of 2 - 4 fights so it varies OK, yea I die too!). I will not get into details about dodges atm due to my unconfirm tests. Overall to this reply, DEX is "also" worth the party, solo, and PvP.

[Lythari]

We won't know till we get there and try now will we. :D


Well, other's have already tried Dex builds and reported that is wasn't the most successful. I quoted that thread to explain why instead of just telling you it wouldn't work as effectively as one would think.

[TITLE]

Well, other's have already tried Dex builds and reported that is wasn't the most successful. I quoted that thread to explain why instead of just telling you it wouldn't work as effectively as one would think.

Pictures? Video? Links? -_____-

[Lythari]

Use search. Here is a thread about a Dex build. Note the second post.

http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66519&highlight=fighter+builds

Here is another post explaining Dex Fighters:

http://outspark.com/forums/showpost.php?p=131616&postcount=22

The link to the entire thread:

http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6315&highlight=fighter+builds

yet another Dex thread saying the same thing I was saying:

http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14959&highlight=fighter+builds

The same search will bring up countless build guides, all of which saying the same builds. All I did was search the Fiesta forum for the terms 'fighter' 'builds' and 'fiesta'

If you need any more convincing that this is not a wise course of action, I offer you the opportunity to show me otherwise.

[TITLE]

Meh, I'll take it as far as I can and get a first person view myself. :D

[gkstmddbs0909]

I'm a full str fighter.
I looked and searched for the stats in google and it said the if you want to use 1 handed weapons you do full dex but if u use 2H you do full str but i think its all up to you what you put up ^_^..

[Lythari]

If you want to go Dex, by all means: try it out...and pay the price...

I refuse to be responsible for any reprocussions...

[TITLE]

If you want to go Dex, by all means: try it out...and pay the price...

I refuse to be responsible for any reprocussions...

Hehe, will do. ;)

[Khrim]

Dex will NOT give you good evasion. That is a major complaint of the archers. There really is no reason to invest in Dex for anything; the same benefits you get from about 30 or so stat points in Dex can be gained with a single T1 Evasion scroll. Only the scroll is easier to get and takes effect much faster than waiting to hit a level over 30.

I made a "full dex" archer and at low levels (I made her lv 21 before I deleted and just went full str since she was my SBL farmer) she always got hit...and I mean ALWAYS...my full str archer rarely misses (*slaps on T1 aim scrolls whenever she misses* Using T1 aim works for my lv 56 fighter too) and she does excellent damage.

And to the person a few posts above me -- >_>;; I don't believe in that "this build should use this weapon" My full end tank uses 2h axes (they
re +9, so I buy all of my gear with endurance) though almost everybody who I talked to said "Full end tanks should go 1h+shield".

[redjumpsuitapparatus]

DEX is good :D i know a player who has 40dex in his stats.. Senheiser >.>
idk why he hits hard even he has 40dex D:

i say dex is good for pvp fighter vs fighter or i guess fighter vs any class

fighting with a Full Str vs a STR/DEX fighter = Full str "miss miss boink boink" so some of the attcks which could have been an "ouch" missed... (no aim scrolls on that, its unfair :p)

but i prefer STR build for solos coz u can still use aim scroll... that dex build is for PVP showing that your oponent need aim scroll to deafeat you lol :p

[Crossglaive]

Pure DEX really isn't a useless build, because if you pop on a T3 evasion scroll as a pure DEX fighter and use a sword/shield combo, you'd be blocking + evading hits.