T3 Red Eyes and Blue Miles TOO EXPENSIVE or is it just me? :p

[hiro0880]

Just wanna know how people see the price of Red Eyes and Blue Miles (T3).

Since 60+ Greens came out, T3 enhancing have become a very serious issue in fiesta. But, despite the EXPENSIVENESS of T3 Enhancement stones., I find T3 Red Eyes and Blue Miles more STUNNINGLY EXPENSIVE..

Is it just me? or Is it really expensive? >.<

[hiro0880]

I really hope to have those items on sale >.<

[Hydr0]

I really don't know why T3 cost more then T2 and T1.
That's lame that if we want to be better in high levels we need to pay more.
I think Red eyes and blue miles should cost the same on matter what item level is it.

[viorexx]

From what they used to cost(about $10 for blue and red) it a good deal but at the same time the success rate of enhancement has dropped. on average it cost about $50 to get a +9 armer or wep. So for me i have stopped enhancing because i dont want to that much for a wep.

[hiro0880]

and i also heard that an average amount of eyes and miles u use to upgrade an item to
+9 is sumwhere 5 stacks to 7 stacks. Which means 50-70 Eyes, and 50-70 Miles. and 10Eyes + 10 Miles is equal to 5,000 Spark Cash >.< oohh. I really wanted to enhance T3s, but upon hearing this ;_; i dun think so...

[kalone]

T3 enhancement costs more because it has a greater chance of failing to upgrade than T1s and T2s. Which means more eyes and miles used, which means more spark cash used, which means you'll have to pay more.

[DarkAngelTsubasa]

Unless your luck is damn good that day =X
I have tried enhancing a lvl 50 one-handed sword n i got 6 straight enhancements *without sparkcash* up to +6, n i decided to stop >.> Risky... *got a screenshot of proof tho*

High leveled weapons and arms' break rate very high & upgrade rate r very low...

Kalone is right.

And thats y people who are selling lvl 50, 60, n 70++ +9s in Uru of Elddy are damn expensive.
Can hit up to more than 5g *depending on the weapon type n its stats, especially when the weapon is a blue* =X

Usually i ask my friend to enhance my weapons for me =3
*prays for a blue weapon*

[hiro0880]

woah, who voted dunno, dun care.. i thought that was quite snobbish.. (even if i made that option)

[yourmojo]

woah, who voted dunno, dun care.. i thought that was quite snobbish.. (even if i made that option)
Dunno don't care is the equivalent of "N/A" or "Other" so they chose that.


Yes, I think T3 enhancing is very expensive. T2 and T1 i can afford, but T3 sounds like it's going to take me a while to get +9.

But just think, if T3 costs that much, imagine what T4 is going to cost =(

[hiro0880]

Dunno don't care is the equivalent of "N/A" or "Other" so they chose that.


Yes.. haha


I really wanted to see those on sale >.<

[Poisoned77]

Enhancing is a luxury, just like buying items from the cash shop that protect your items whilst enhancing items is a luxury. You don't have any obligation to use the cash shop, and you don't have any obligation to enhance your weapon. You want to use these luxuries, you have to pay for it.

[hiro0880]

you're kinda right... buh.. but.. but... =(

It's more like of a need for me rather than a luxury >.<

[Bkg88]

ummmm i dont even know what those things are o.0

but i have gotten my sword to +7 without failing :D

[Poisoned77]

I don't enhance any of my weapons and I get along fine soloing, in KQ's, parties, and PVP.
Once you stop using it, you realize how non-essential it is.


ummmm i dont even know what those things are o.0

but i have gotten my sword to +7 without failing
Talk to me once you can use tier 2 and 3 items and say you enhanced it without failing.

[Bkg88]

well, then i'll talk to you in 2 lvls

[hiro0880]

nuuuuuu... i need 'em @_@
I'm a mage >.> i need more def... And one way is enhancing my gears >.<


Bkg88, Red Eyes are premium item stones used in enhancing to prevent your weapon from breaking, while Blue Miles are for preventing your weapon to get back one level when enhancing (i.e. +8 became +7)

[Bkg88]

ok, but where do u get them?

[hiro0880]

You get it from fiesta store

[Poisoned77]

The cash shop on the Fiesta main page...

And you don't need enhanced gear even for a mage, I have a mage and all you need is statted items.

[Bkg88]

ugh, then nvm, cuz i cant do FS

[hiro0880]

but enhanced gears are better :p FARRR better

[Poisoned77]

But you don't need them. If you needed enhanced gear, the success rate of enhancing would be a lot higher.

[hiro0880]

huh? didnt get that one..

[Poisoned77]

If you absolutely, positively needed enhanced gear to survive in this game they wouldn't make the success rate of enhancement so low.

It's a risk that some are willing to take, and if you do you get a nice shiny weapon out of it, if you don't your real good weapon goes kaput. Spending real money just to get weapon that glows in a game isn't my type of thing.

[heavensraven]

stupid outspark and there pricing >.<

[hiro0880]

If you absolutely, positively needed enhanced gear to survive in this game they wouldn't make the success rate of enhancement so low.

It's a risk that some are willing to take, and if you do you get a nice shiny weapon out of it, if you don't your real good weapon goes kaput. Spending real money just to get weapon that glows in a game isn't my type of thing.

ohhh.., we're different :)


stupid outspark and there pricing >.<

not outspark, just the pricing :)

[hiro0880]

hmmm, I wish that on their next event they would put these items on sale.. I REALLY REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM ON SALE >.< PLLLLSsssss GMs?? event managers?? Community Leaders?? ;_;

[Poisoned77]

T3 miles and perfects are only about 500 SC above tier 2 (and tier 2's are about 500 above tier 1's), so I don't think they are grossly over priced. You can't afford to enhance with miles and perfects, then don't do buy them. Buy already enhanced gear.

[hiro0880]

then why only FEW votes on "NO"

[hiro0880]

also, look at this post of kalone :) Maybe you'll know why "WE" find it expensive


T3 enhancement costs more because it has a greater chance of failing to upgrade than T1s and T2s. Which means more eyes and miles used, which means more spark cash used, which means you'll have to pay more.

[Poisoned77]

Because everyone likes sales, it doesn't mean there should be a sale. Because there are enough poor saps willing to spend cash on a F2P game.

[hiro0880]

I didnt say SALE THE WHOLE YEAR, or SALE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.. I only asked for event sale. lol. And, stop arguing with me :p

[hiro0880]

Signing off now :) i hope you guys still post your opinions on the prices on these eyes and miles :p not on the sale lol :)

[yourmojo]

Enhancing is a luxury, just like buying items from the cash shop that protect your items whilst enhancing items is a luxury. You don't have any obligation to use the cash shop, and you don't have any obligation to enhance your weapon. You want to use these luxuries, you have to pay for it.Irrelevant, this thread is discussing whether or not the items are over-priced. Whether it's a luxury or if you need it doesn't matter.

[hiro0880]

back.. lol. your right mojo :) how dyah find the prices?

[hiro0880]

opinions :)

[Poisoned77]

Irrelevant, this thread is discussing whether or not the items are over-priced. Whether it's a luxury or if you need it doesn't matter.

How is it irrelevant? I am explaining my opinion on why the miles are priced the way they are and why I don't think they are overpriced.

[Bryantos]

How is it irrelevant? I am explaining my opinion on why the miles are priced the way they are and why I don't think they are overpriced.

They are severally overpriced. Why would they even think about charging us for something that is needed for a skill that is in the game they released. With the failure and break rates as high as they are, you have to use REs at the very least so that the item doesn't break.

I can understand the fact that they need income to keep the game up and running, but they are starting to charge for necessities to even play the game. I'm waiting for them to start charging clerics to heal.

[Poisoned77]

But it's not necessary to use them to enhance. You can enhance perfectly well without miles and perfects. The demand for these items are high because they immensely cut the losses of a very risky in-game operation. +9 enhanced items are supposed to be hard to obtain, very rare items that only those willing to take the chance and spend the money should get. Consider yourselves lucky they released a CS item that allows anybody to make a +9.

You don't like the price? Then don't pay, demand will lower and the price will drop. That will get you farther than begging for a sale. As long as people are willing to pay a high price, they will keep selling it.

It's not required that you buy miles and perfects before you enhance. I know plenty of people who enhance T2 and T3 without using miles and perfects. Comparing that to an in-game skill costing RL money to use is completely wrong.

[yourmojo]

The fact that you aren't required to buy them is hardly a reason to prove that they are not overpriced. Besides, 35/6 is sort of working against you. They are overpriced and the poll proves that the vast majority of people also think so. I don't have to argue further, this threads point has already been proven.

[Terrah-Incognitah]

If, given they were to release Gold Nines (15% additional success chance) I would say the prices are fair as they are now.

There was mention - official mention - that Gold Nines would be released, but that died down as soon as it was brought up. Disregarding the prime question (that they're too expensive), I think its safe to assume that the most outstanding source of income for this game are the Red Eyes and Blue Miles. The release of Gold Nines is by no means something that the developers want to throw out there.

I'd say the prices are fine as they are, if only they'd release Gold Nines.

Also, I'm curious if the act of taking out player-made versions of these stones was done under similar premises. I read somewhere that those Iron Badges and such were in the original version of the game used to create what we only have access through sparkcash (gimped out versions of them of course).

Just speculation, and I also don't have any primary source for the Iron-Badge claim - just saw an old post, but they're marked as being for stone materials and have no use as of yet.

[kalone]

So... you want everyone to walk around with +9s? Because it will happen if prices go any lower.

[Terrah-Incognitah]

So... you want everyone to walk around with +9s? Because it will happen if prices go any lower.

Though you most likely did not direct that at anyone in particular, I'll give a response.

My post is more aimed at digging for some confirmation on the player made blue/reds - if they were really real.

My question would be does everyone need to walk around with +9s? You can get by without them, but lets face it you get exponential increases when you switch from Elrues to Lix to Xir. There is a severe driving force to get to +9, and rightfully so as incentive to use the CS items. If I had any bit of power, magical or what have you, I'd even the gains out a bit more (and balance accordingly, however one would go about doing such a thing). By evening out, I mean that there would not be such drastic gains to be had, reduce the incentive a little. Thats like Outspark shooting itself in the foot, obviously. There will be less incentive, and I doubt a few petty complaints will cue the need for such a thing, but speculating is fun in and of itself :].

By evening out the gains a little, the drive to have +9 will diminish. The drive to use the CS will diminish too. Perfectionists will still go for +9s, but the people who feel it is unreasonably out of reach but still have the desire can be satisfied with a +6 item that does not pale as much in comparison to a +9.

Either way I'd aim for +9s but anywho, such an act might actually make it more appropriate to increase the difficulty in enhancing or even increase prices, but I would imagine the way its setup now hides the statistically advantageous position of the company. Kinda like how the clanging of coins in a casino works.

[Terranwolf]

+9s are not supposed to be easy to get, and those willing to spend money to get them, do.
I honestly think they might be a little too cheap, considering how common they are.

[Poisoned77]

+9s are not supposed to be easy to get, and those willing to spend money to get them, do.
I honestly think they might be a little too cheap, considering how common they are.

Exactamente...at least a couple of us think sensibly enough.

[hiro0880]

Exactamente...at least a couple of us think sensibly enough.


lol. so you think you think sensible. I think that's a thing you SHOULDN'T BOAST. It only shows your character. And, we have different opinions. And all opinions are sensible enough as long as we live with our opinions as we believe in them :)

soo.. the poll is closed :D I'm glad people who posted here are kind (mostly or should i say "except one?").

Also, I didn't expect that people who posted in this thread just show off how smart or SENSIBLE they are :). I was just expecting to know different opinions cuz i know MOST of them are interesting and makes me think like "aahh", "now he/she's got a point., just.. don't push it to hard :p

I still think they're expensive lol :p and I think many agrees with me :D

[Ryokosha]

It's not that they are too expensive, it's just that it doesn't make much sense that veteran players have to pay more to +9 their weapons than semi-veterans (T2). ^^'

[juhu15]

I think its just unfair ... cause high level players have to pay more for the upgrades then the lower level player ... Outspark was making the prices that high cause on the high levels you need the upgraded items much more then on the low levels and so they will make very much money with it xD. But i think its a bit unfair for the veterans in this game xD ... so the best player in this game have to pay more for good items then the low levels its a bit dumb lol i think it would be fair if t1 t2 and t3 eyes would cost the same .

[Angelxx]

Skills cost more.

Armour and weapons cost more.

Why should eyes/miles cost more?

[Lordlymight]

Eyes and miles are expensive. Whether they are too expensive or not is a matter for academic debate, but $50 (a price I have heard more than once) for a single +9 seems a bit extreme in my ever so humble opinion.

The bit, I think, that causes me the most eyebrow-raising is that blessed stones have become considerably less useful. I cannot sell blesseds for any more than I can sell regulars. That shows me that the demand has been artificially increased. While I despise this type of business practice, it is commonplace in monopolized business ventures. You cannot buy red eyes anywhere but Outspark, therefore Outspark can inflate or deflate the demand at will. Its shady, but considered good old-fashioned business.

Of course the arguments stand: You don't HAVE to buy eyes and miles, you don't NEED a +9, you can play some other game. While both true and valid arguments, they do not counter the problem, it counters the player.

As Terrah-Incognitah has already stated, it's fun to speculate. Its important for those the business caters to to make their concerns known. Often times, it is moot argument, but all the same. Everyone is allowed to speak their mind where I am from (so long as it doesn't breach some very simple rules) so I have to admit to being a bit skewed in my vision.


Exactamente...at least a couple of us think sensibly enough.

This was an unnecessary dig. Just because you do not agree with someone does not immediately make you any better than they. You have made some good arguments, but statements like this are disrespectful and turn your entire argument against you.

[Poisoned77]

This was an unnecessary dig. Just because you do not agree with someone does not immediately make you any better than they. You have made some good arguments, but statements like this are disrespectful and turn your entire argument against you.

I am sorry, but I get offended when my arguments are called irrelevant. So I will respond in kind. You don't show any respect to me, I show no respect to you, capice?

[Lordlymight]

I am sorry, but I get offended when my arguments are called irrelevant. So I will respond in kind. You don't show any respect to me, I show no respect to you, capice?

No, I don't capice.

And I am godforsaken sick of "revenge" reputation. If you felt so "offended, why am I the one on the receiving end of your negative revenge reputation.

If I give negative reputation for an infraction I see in a post, it does not immediately justify a return negative reputation.

I get this reputation statement

Credibility or no, if my character is attacked, I will fight back.
Immediately after I posted negative reputation for your outburst against the posters who did not agree with you.

I see this as against forum rules as posted in the following thread.

Serric's Answers to common Q's (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showpost.php?p=578415&postcount=14)

It clearly states that the negative reputation system is not to be abused. Every negative reputation I have given has been hammered by a revenge reputation against it. I am sick and tired of this type of abuse, especially when it is considered "the norm"...

If the reputation system is that broken, and no overwatch is available, then there is absolutely no reason for it to exist.

[Poisoned77]

I was not abusing the system. Abuse would be the overuse of the rep system to deliberately and maliciously take down your rep. I felt that your negative rep was unjustified, so I responded.


REMEMBER: the rep system is an honor awards system and is not to be abused. Players found to be abusing the system for the sole reason of gaining as many or few reputation points as possible will be subject to report and possible discipline. Reputation is to be earned on these forums, not spammed.

I don't see where "revenge" reputation falls under this description, unless I did it several times for no reason.

Again, as all people, even yourself who has displayed your most cultured ability to argue, gets offended by rude comments and attacks on one's character. I don't appreciate this when it happens to me, and I will respond in a similar fashion. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, this principle applies to many more things besides physics.


Irrelevant, this thread is discussing whether or not the items are over-priced. Whether it's a luxury or if you need it doesn't matter.

That is the comment i was referring to. I was insulted by that statement, and it felt as if he were belittling my ability to comprehend the situation.

If you believe that the rep system is flawed and shouldn't exist, why do you insist on using it to rep people?

[yourmojo]

I am sorry, but I get offended when my arguments are called irrelevant.I apologize for that. I didn't mean it offensively, I just couldn't think of a better way to say it.

[Poisoned77]

It's okay mojo, it's over now, whatever.


I get this reputation statement
Quote:
Credibility or no, if my character is attacked, I will fight back.
Immediately after I posted negative reputation for your outburst against the posters who did not agree with you.

@ Lordlymight, if you have a problem with me, don't post personal comments on the forums, deal with me in PMs. You don't need to pander for support from the other people in this forum who aren't involved with this.

[Lordlymight]

@ Lordlymight, if you have a problem with me, don't post personal comments on the forums, deal with me in PMs. You don't need to pander for support from the other people in this forum who aren't involved with this.

Apparently I do. You are only a very small part of a very big problem. My problem isn't with you, though I feel you are a product of the system. My problem is that this type of behavior is considered acceptable. I have dealt with it in PM to no avail on numerous occasions. There is no recourse for revenge reputation outside of an appeal to authority. While not small by any account, this community is small enough that the "honor system" can be reviewed without being overly burdensome when such behavior is apparent.

High reputation doesn't seem to come from good posts, but number of posts. Fear of losing what little reputation they have keeps those with lower post counts from countering outbursts and inflammatory postings. Those with higher post counts can use disrespectful and hateful comments without fear of reprisal. While there are exceptions to the rule, it is more common than not that the most inflammatory responses come from those with the highest post counts.

This is not "your" forum. It is "our" forum. If you can't make a decent argument, the least you can do is have the common decency to allow others to disagree with you from time to time without berating them for their opinions.

[Poisoned77]

I was answering beratement with beratement. Don't patronize me about how to make an argument. I had expressed my argument clearly and it was disregarded without a thought.

As for the correlation between reputation and post count, I feel you are very wrong about that. I have seen many users on the forum with far less posts than I do with more reputation. Some people just have less to say about something, or less time in which to post on the forums. I myself don't give out rep unless the post was rather insightful or if someone was being extremely helpful and nice to myself or others, or if I found the post very humorous.

The only reason I can see that you have assumed that only people who post a lot receive rep is because you are projecting your frustration at the rep system onto others. You wonder why you have so little rep when your posts are filled with rhetoric and worded with the skill of a high school debate team. Why wouldn't people want to give you rep when you lord your educational superiority over them with an overwhelming amount of deep analysis and thought, or write a guide written in such a way that half the people here can understand? They should be applauding you, not ignoring you.

But, you're right, I'll allow you to disagree with me. I hope you don't reply to this because I am not going to. I am bowing out, you can have your small victory for the progression of the learned man arguing on an internet forum.

[chyiochan]

I agree the prices should still go down. I've spent over 20 dollars in T2 eyes, just trying to get to +9 from +8. (I finally gave up after that, it's still just +8!)
I don't believe everyone would be walking around with plus nines, but this is almost showing if you are a rich kid in real life, you get to level with ease. Plus I am definitely not saying that people who work for their money are lucky, that is just amazing, and you spend your hard earned money any way you like!
But there are some people who will never be able to afford a good item past +7 until they are at least level 40 or even level 50, even then, it's usually only only ONE item, and it's bought with in game money, not upgrading by yourself.
"Work harder, Train more or do more quests."
It's just not simply that, I can totally bet the people who have high level things and no spark cash, are in a high level guild with "wealthier" friends.
It should just be a more even playing field for leveling up for anyone!
I can only imagine how expensive it must be for T3 Eyes/Miles. It really is pretty bad. :(

[Lordlymight]

I was answering beratement with beratement. Don't patronize me about how to make an argument. I had expressed my argument clearly and it was disregarded without a thought.

Did I disregard your argument? I seem to remember stating that it was pretty good up to a point. In addition, you have read my guide. You know plenty well that no matter how good the argument, sometimes people either don't listen or don't care. Sometimes you just have to man up and realize your words are not getting through.


As for the correlation between reputation and post count, I feel you are very wrong about that. I have seen many users on the forum with far less posts than I do with more reputation. Some people just have less to say about something, or less time in which to post on the forums. I myself don't give out rep unless the post was rather insightful or if someone was being extremely helpful and nice to myself or others, or if I found the post very humorous.

Yet you had no issues with hammering me with a little revenge without a moments thought.

Yes, I am beating this dead horse because the problem is not only prevalent, but considered to be "the way things are." This is not the first time I have stepped up versus what I felt to be unnecessary comments and within minutes taken another 5 point rep hit.

So what's the message there?


The only reason I can see that you have assumed that only people who post a lot receive rep is because you are projecting your frustration at the rep system onto others. You wonder why you have so little rep when your posts are filled with rhetoric and worded with the skill of a high school debate team. Why wouldn't people want to give you rep when you lord your educational superiority over them with an overwhelming amount of deep analysis and thought? They should be applauding you, not ignoring you.

You assume my reputation is low. I on the other hand, am quite happy with the little bit of positive rep I do get. I don't care about the number, I care about the comments. All my positive reputation is filled with the kind of kudos that make me feel like I have contributed to this community. Unfortunately, I have these three red dots mixed in with it, all revenge, filled with threats and bile. All this because I had hoped to use the reputation system for the purpose for which it was intended, instead of running to the CLs over every little flame.

I use my education. I do not apologize for it. I am a reasonably intelligent person who got very bloody to pay for the schooling I have. I am not going to limit myself, but at the same time I put out an effort, not always successfully, to never hold others to that same standard. I will rant about elite speak, poor grammar, abbreviations and bad logic all day, but in the end, those with whom I play in the game and converse here on the forum with are no better or worse than me. I do what I can to give them the tools to work with to be better speakers (and writers) but I do not assume that because I have given them those tools, they will use them. So long as they can be respectful, put out some effort, and occasionally contribute something fun or useful.

But you are correct. I do project my hatred for the lack of control on the rep system on all those that abuse that system. This is a system of tit for tat. I am sure that there are, as you said, those that have very good reputations because they are always helpful, contribute to the community, and keep quietly to themselves rather than hand out negative reputation when it is deserved. I'm not going to be one of those. My reputation count may stay low, but at least I will know I'm doing the right thing.

[Poisoned77]

I can honestly say I have only given out negative rep about ten times. About six of these are to people who spam the forums, or somehow knowingly and purposefully break the forum rules. my reason for negative repping you was not out of spite, or fear of my rep falling, I get plenty of positive rep enough from helping out people. Rather, I was perturbed because it seemed to me you did not entirely understand the situation and automatically jumped to conclusions assuming I made that comment for no reason. I was going to just let it go until you attacked my credibility, that's what pushed it over the edge. I am sorry for being a little hot-headed, but I first learned to argue in an Italian-American family. My methods may be blunt and I may ruffle some feathers, but I am not going to apologize for fighting fire with fire.

[hiro0880]

ok guys., stop the arguing :)
poison, ur a very smart person :p and many (actually me also but it was only at first) thinks you ought to fight with your opinions. You just have to control ur anger :). Also, mojo already apologized, and u should accept it kindly., but instead you said "its okay, its over now, whatever" like that... that's why you make it more complicated. I think, everytime you post, your just adding some of your attitude to show for other people:D maybe you should also start to know and understand what other people think before you let go of words, not just care of what you think about a certain thing. ryt? maybe you'll get less arguements :p

[Ryokosha]

I still think "you don't have to +9 it" is the most valid argument here. The only really good suggestions would be to let red/blues only work up to +6, so that people aren't tempted to waste all their money on this game. But can't really expect Outspark to remove their main money source, plus players will complain about the ones that have +9 weapons. So even that suggestion won't work out.

It can't be too expensive as long as multiple persons have +9 equipments...

[Leehamza]

Too Expensive... I cant Afford it... Asian money cant buy anything ....

[Chaola]

I agree the prices should still go down. I've spent over 20 dollars in T2 eyes, just trying to get to +9 from +8. (I finally gave up after that, it's still just +8!)


I don't understand well the fonctionnement of the eyes, sorry :p
You say that even with eyes, the enhancement doesn't work ?

Did you use the Red and the Blue ?

One help you not to break your weapon, et the other not to degrade it

So if I understand that correctly : even with the 2 you're not sure to upgrade your weapon, right ?

In that case, I would think that yes, for the service, the eyes are too expensives...

Maybe add one who assure the upgrade ??? (but it'll be too easy :p)

oh, and please +rep and -rep, i don't care :D (joking ;))

[Ryokosha]

Even with Reds and Blues the chance from going to +8 to +9 is just 10%. In 90% nothing will happen.

Well, I guess the main problem is that people don't understand that they don't need to max everything. It's like complaining that if you want to buy ALL cash shop items every month it'd be too expensive. >_<
If they made it possible to make it to +100 but it'd cost $5000000 I bet people still would complain that it's too expensive and yet try to get there. ^^'

[Chaola]

I guess we don't need it, but I love the shiny weapons *moons over her cleric friend +9 hammer*

In my case, I'm poor IG, I saw an lvl 40 axe +9, and it's was like 1g500s :eek:

I will never be able to buy it :mad:

So the next bext thing if I want a mortal weapon (:D) is CS

Well the debate can go on for quite some times but maybe a little raise in the chance of upgrade wouldn't ruin Outspark, or would it ? :confused:

[Ryokosha]

I just think it would ruin the game if all spark cash users had +9 weapons and all non spark cash user had +0 or maybe +3 weapons (if lucky). And if they raise the chance even more or lower the price then every spark cash user will be able to create +9 weapons...

The weapon already gets shiny at +3 and +6 I think.

[Chaola]

The weapon already gets shiny at +3 and +6 I think.

Yeah but even +3 on a lvl2 weapon it's hard to get !!!

I broke 2 pairs of boots, trying to enhance it to +1 with blessed Elrue !!! :eek:

I don't even want to try to enhance my green axe, in fear to lose her :(

I know that they can't make the enhancement too easy, but less hard would be appreciated :p

[kalone]

Make SC user friends and suck up to them.


/end thread

[Ryokosha]

Yeah but even +3 on a lvl2 weapon it's hard to get !!!

I broke 2 pairs of boots, trying to enhance it to +1 with blessed Elrue !!! :eek:

I don't even want to try to enhance my green axe, in fear to lose her :(

I know that they can't make the enhancement too easy, but less hard would be appreciated :p
But you can buy Reds and Blues and make all your equips to +3. That's not very expensive.

[Chaola]

Yeah I think I'll try with a batch of Eyes, and see how it goes...

what's the thing with the gold eyes ??? :confused:

[Ryokosha]

There are no gold eyes yet as far as I know. They made you succeed to 100% but are very expensive. At least that's what I heard.


With one batch of Reds and Blues you'll probably get one equip to +4 on average. :-)

[demolisher101]

yes i agree with any tier it should be not that expensive they should all b equal also with the other items in outspark its sooo expensive now!!! WHY or is it just me that cares?

[Angelxx]

Too Expensive... I cant Afford it... Asian money cant buy anything ....

LOL Asian money? Sorry but I'm Asian and I can afford it just fine. Yes, the exchange rate isn't in our favour but I wouldn't say that 'Asian money can't buy anything'.


There are no gold eyes yet as far as I know. They made you succeed to 100% but are very expensive. At least that's what I heard.

No. I do believe the success rate is only increased by 10 to 15%. Personally, if the gold nines are that expensive, I would rather try enhancing without that extra 10/15%.

[chyiochan]

I don't understand well the fonctionnement of the eyes, sorry :p
You say that even with eyes, the enhancement doesn't work ?

Did you use the Red and the Blue ?

One help you not to break your weapon, et the other not to degrade it

So if I understand that correctly : even with the 2 you're not sure to upgrade your weapon, right ?

In that case, I would think that yes, for the service, the eyes are too expensives...

Maybe add one who assure the upgrade ??? (but it'll be too easy :p)

oh, and please +rep and -rep, i don't care :D (joking ;))


Oh nono! I meant Eyes and Miles! I forgot to type both! It's ok, sorry to confuse you!

So the enhancement is only 10%? oh my lord. I am a failure! I used 30 eyes/miles from +8 to +9. It takes so long! (And yes, it still didn't get to +9!)

[lordofthesick]

its a combo of things that makes enhancing get very pricey very quickly.
T1 isnt to bad T2 is worse but still affordable by most standards T3 however is where it can get crazy....i +9ed my mages 60 wand and it cost me around $35-$40....thats alot for one item u have to buy a ton of eyes/miles due to the chances of a successful enhance being so low combine that with the cost of each stack and thats a pretty pricey...

I mean 35-40 USD??? that adds up to a few months worth of fees for a pay to play game , and thats just for one item. +9 gear is great and makes things alot easier, but is one item being enchanced to +9 really worth THAT much?

not to mention that the ppl that can afford to enhance cause massive inflation of the economy in fiesta by charging tons of silver for upgrades , which they have a right to as its the only way to get there moneys worth...

in my opinion a drop in price or atleast a sale would help everyone out even outspark since more ppl would be inclined to buy them with a price cut

[Angelxx]

Don't forget that Outspark DOES occasionally offer discounts on the eyes/miles.

It has been repeated many times that enhancing isn't supposed to be easy. Yes, it can be expensive but it really depends on your luck doesn't it? I used 12 sets of eyes/miles to +9 3 tier 3 items. That works out 4 sets per item on average. I know someone who used 1 set and got from +0 to +6 and yet I know another who used 6 sets and couldn't +9 it.

Seriously though, we really do not need 1001 threads about the price of items in cash shop. If you think it is expensive, the solution is simple. Don't buy it. =S




Btw I hope you realise your poll isn't giving you an accurate picture. You haven't got any options for people who think it isn't expensive but would like to see the price reduced....naturally. Who doesn't want things cheaper?

[Chaola]

Seriously though, we really do not need 1001 threads about the price of items in cash shop. If you think it is expensive, the solution is simple. Don't buy it. =S

Honnestly, I don't think it's expensive, but you're right, who doesn't want something cheaper ??? :D

No, the thing is I think (IMHO) that it's expensive, FOR the result !!!
(If result there is, as you said, 6 batchs and not even a +9 ??? :eek:)

[Angelxx]

Honnestly, I don't think it's expensive, but you're right, who doesn't want something cheaper ??? :D

No, the thing is I think (IMHO) that it's expensive, FOR the result !!!
(If result there is, as you said, 6 batchs and not even a +9 ??? :eek:)


But it is all based on luck isn't it? Like gambling. If everyone wins, what's the gamble? ;)

[Chaola]

Well, so that's it... I'm a very unlucky gambeler, so no +9 for me ^__^

[Ryokosha]

Don't you get a special title if you fail lots of times in row?

[Poisoned77]

Well, so that's it... I'm a very unlucky gambeler, so no +9 for me ^__^

Stay far away from Vegas.

[Chaola]

Don't you get a special title if you fail lots of times in row?

yeah but I'm not exactly trying to have this title :rolleyes:


Stay far away from Vegas.

Lucky for me (isn't it ironic?) I live in France, and far far far away froms casinos :cool:

But yeah, I'm not very lucky, I never win at loto :mad:

And it's reflect IG, when I try to enhance boots T2 twice to +1 with a blessed Elrue, and I broke the 2 pairs :mad:

[Poisoned77]

yeah but I'm not exactly trying to have this title :rolleyes:



Lucky for me (isn't it ironic?) I live in France, and far far far away froms casinos :cool:

But yeah, I'm not very lucky, I never win at loto :mad:

And it's reflect IG, when I try to enhance boots T2 twice to +1 with a blessed Elrue, and I broke the 2 pairs :mad:

0.0 no casinos in France? Come on, stop pulling my leg, I've seen all the Bond movies, they are all over Europe.

[Chaola]

yes there are some, most are in south of France (Cannes, Monaco...)

But I live in north of France ;)

There is a few near belgium and such but I don't go there, or if I do, without my cash card :D

[hiro0880]

yes there are some, most are in south of France (Cannes, Monaco...)

But I live in north of France ;)

There is a few near belgium and such but I don't go there, or if I do, without my cash card :D

i want to go to france >.< can you take me there :) lol

[hiro0880]

Don't you get a special title if you fail lots of times in row?

yes, can be failed,unlucky,hopeless enhancer. i think there's more?

[aim2kill]

Yes it actually is possible to enhance items without reds/blues even though it's extremely difficult to not have it break even myself who i don't know anyone who's enhanced better than me without reds/blues got item 2 lvl 30 hammer from 0 to +8 before breaking and the item 3 lvl 60 Hammer i had to +6 w/o reds/blues etc.

Don't forget i was still newer to this game at that specific time on my main and i haven't tried enhancing items ever again since those two items broke on me lol it's just not worth the money neither is the reds/blues imo..

it really isn't that hard to make enough money in-game Fiesta just to go and buy these +8 or +9 items tbh..

Btw, the special title is Item Spoiler i believe.

[FennecFox]

T3 enhancement costs more because it has a greater chance of failing to upgrade than T1s and T2s. Which means more eyes and miles used, which means more spark cash used, which means you'll have to pay more.
This argument needs to be reexamined and elaborated on... Although Kal intended it to support the pricing difference, it actually does quite the opposite.

As we all know, enhancing a T1 weapon is easier than enhancing a T2 weapon just as enhancing a T2 weapon is easier than enhancing a T3 weapon. Each increase in tier means an increase in difficulty and, additionally, an increase in the number of Eyes/Miles that will be burned through by necessity in order to achieve +9 on any given weapon.

Humor me and my hypothetical numbers:
If we assume that T1 has a 25% success rate, T2 has a 15% success rate, and T3 has a 5% success rate and allow that these rates are averages (in other words, averaging the 1-3 rate, the 4-6 rate, and the 7-9 rate to get a % success rate per tier), then that means that for a T1 weapon to go from +0 to +9, a user will use 36 Eyes/Miles. However, for a T3 weapon to go from +0 to +9 will take roughly 180 Eyes/Miles. If Eyes/Miles have a fixed price of $1 per stack, that means a T1 weapon would cost $7.20 to +9 while a T3 weapon would cost $36 to +9 - that's a 500% price increase!

tl;dr version - As the success rate lowers with each increased weapon tier, even if Eyes/Miles are sold at a flat rate, a T3 +9 weapon will still be significantly more expensive than a T1 +9 weapon.

So yes, I agree that there should be a flat rate. As to what that rate should be, well, I leave that in the hands of the Powers that Be.

[apathos]

Yes, this is what I call an exponential increase in the cost of higher tiered equips.

1. The price increases.
2. The failure rate increases.

Either the failure rate should be constant, or the price. I doubt I'm going to bother enhancing my lvl 60 equips.

[FennecFox]

I wish we could get a GM in here to explain why they change both factors. It seems like it would discourage potential buyers and result in less profit rather than more.

[Atmor]

First off, why did you guys necro this thread? It was dead, a new thread would have been prudent imo...

Secondly, I agree the success rate sucks for the most part, but there is a VERY logical explanation as to why the t3 eyes/miles cost so much and why the success rate sucks. It is expected that you will use the same equipment longer as you level higher because it takes longer and longer to lvl, so you may be using the same +9 lvl 60 axe for a month if it takes you that long to hit 70. and at 70 you will use your +9s for a very long time (until cap raise and they release stated greens for 8X) So see, the eyes/miles are one time buying because once you +9 everything you want you won't buy more until such time as you have new stuff to +9 which could potentially be a very very long time. (like with Daos my archer, I have a full +9 set and won't enhance anything for him until after teh cap raise and I find better equips which could be months for all we know)

[joecracker]

where is the option that they are too cheap and maybe under priced to begin with ;)