A question about 4th of juli

[smitske]

Im wondering as a non american, those liberties and rights you celebrate on this day?

[heavensraven]

can you rephrase your question, i dont quite understand what your trying to ask.

[smitske]

well you people celebrate your liberty from the british and a liberal law right?
What are the most important things its based on?(the law)

[traglc.]

The 4th of July is when the United States of America was formed and is it's birth date. This is when Americans celebrate their freedom, bravery, pride and love for their country. And the law is based on justice, if this is what your asking? Fair and loyal rights and privileges presided on trusted employees of the judicial system, like a judge and a jury. The evidence is weighed upon the fellen and tried against him/her by the jury and lawyers. The investigation can go on for months, even years until the trth is brought out and the victim and fellen are truthfully named. That's all I can say about the 4th of July and the law there, that's all I know about it being Canadian and having a related judicial law system.

[smitske]

so nothing to do with their rights and so on like freedom of speech or anything?

[traglc.]

Yes, even that. Everything they stand for and believe in ties in with the 4th of July. It's like celebrating your birthday and all the accomplishments you've completed throughtout your life, it's the United States of America's birthday celebrating all the accomplishments and how it came to be and all that.

[smitske]

kindo hypocritical then, they host a 4th of juli even,t, yet they violate what it stands for cause they censor everything they dont like evn if it doesnt break the rules.

Like freedom of speech, where is our freedom of speech outspark?

[traglc.]

Not exactly. It's an event to comemerate the holiday, being the 4th of July. Since this is a game, political issues and means are useless and offensive to some. It's just like any other holiday, new releases, new EXP boost, etc. They put in the Statue of Liberty, Uncle Sam, Fireworks, and an American Hat to support the holiday and the unique and special objects that are a part of the United States of America.

[smitske]

yes the values of the holiday arent respected

[Asheer]

Not exactly. It's an event to comemerate the holiday, being the 4th of July. Since this is a game, political issues and means are useless and offensive to some. It's just like any other holiday, new releases, new EXP boost, etc. They put in the Statue of Liberty, Uncle Sam, Fireworks, and an American Hat to support the holiday and the unique and special objects that are a part of the United States of America.

Then have happy 4 July(do not hurt yourself lauching fireworks) and i will strongly advise you read a little what was Main idea of 4 July and DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

[smitske]

I mean whats the use of celebating something if you dont respect some of the things you are celebrating?

[traglc.]

Then have happy 4 July(do not hurt yourself lauching fireworks) and i will strongly advise you read a little what was Main idea of 4 July and DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

Me? Ahaha, I got lost here.

[traglc.]

I'm pretty sure they do respect the holidays becuase they are supporting and advertising the holidays and making specials and releases inspite of the holiday. This would be disrespecting the 4th of July, not advertising that it is the 4th of July, ignoring the holiday, and doing nothing, but the Fiesta Staff are doing the right thing here, and I don't know what you're trying to get at. :p

[smitske]

Well I find it hypocritical to hold an event( well actually just sell stuff for greater profit) of a thing of whichb they themselves dont even respect the values.

[traglc.]

That's how it works. Holidays promote holiday items and products. This is acknowledging the holiday while at the same time giving a variety of items and making a profit. People want variety and change, they give what the people want, the people take it, and everyone is happy. People who buy the in store items, help make Fiesta free and support them with this game. I see no harm, so it's all in good intentions.

[heavensraven]

i think the OP means why celebrate a holiday that is based on Freedom and independence when the outspark staff doesnt give freedom of speech and indepdence to to OP and instead censor him. Am i correct?

[Angelxx]

OP is just trying to make use of this to trash Outspark again.

Perhaps OP thinks that non-christians should not celebrate christmas either. Maybe he has never heard of the commercial side of a celebration. :rolleyes:

[heavensraven]

haha let the OP trash outspark all he wants :), everyone knows that major holidays are ideal opportunties for major corporations and companies to suck cash from the people through sales and etc. :D

[lenore_lurks]

It's my birthday on the 4th of July. yay! That's just about all I have to say on the matter. :)

[Angelxx]

Haha. Happy birthday in advance Lenore in case I don't catch you on that day. :)

[WindCaster]

everyone knows that major holidays are ideal opportunties for major corporations and companies to suck cash from the people through sales and etc. :D

Well, duh. :P

And the Statue of Liberty was a gift from France. :D

[heavensraven]

Well, duh. :P

And the Statue of Liberty was a gift from France. :D

LOL hahaha so wheres our gift from outspark then?? :D

[smitske]

being sucked dry, and angel u use every opportunity to annoy mee + its outsparks own fault they are being trashed if they didnt censor everything they dont like here if it isnt against the rules then I shouldnt trash them for it.

[Angelxx]

LOL I annoy you? Good. Perhaps if you start more sensible topics instead of those that you show what a complete ignoramus you are, I may not feel the need to reply.

FYI I feel they have already been lenient with you. In fact, too lenient. In case you are not aware, there is a rule against writing stuff that trashes Outspark or its staff. I'm just surprised they have let you off.

If you dislike Outspark and Fiesta so much, do us and yourself a favour. Get out of the game/forums.

Go ahead and continue to -rep me because I do not agree with you. Judging by the rep you have, we can clearly see that rep has no meaning whatsoever. Heck! If someone like you can have that much rep, it can't mean what it is supposed to. ^^

Perhaps one day when you finally grow up, you will come to realise the error of your ways. In the meantime I will continue to do what people do in forums. Respond with my opinions. You don't like it? Too bad. Get over it.

[smitske]

lolz i think you need to grow up, you hijack every thread of mine cause your a little suck up, now dont talk if you dont have anything on topic to say say.

If they are trashworthy, they should be trashed.

Also how would you know, heck ive had an infraction that I even didnt desrve so I still got the right on a pos thats infraction worthy without being infracted.

[Angelxx]

LOL in case you lack the intelligence to realise, your so-called 'every thread' is about the same topic. Now perhaps if your threads had been different topics, you can make such a claim that I 'hijack all your threads'.

Muahaha. What do I get for sucking up to Outspark? Do I get extra Sparkcash? Do I get preferential treatment from GMs or CLs? Only immature kids with deficiency issues would think that. Perhaps that is why you think so. ^^

So anything trashworthy should be trashed eh? Let's go by your so-called 'logic'. In that case, that would give me the right to trash everything you say. After all, it seems right as everything you say is trashworthy. ^^

[traglc.]

Come on people, no flaming Outspark and others. It's against the rules and regulations, and is just a courteous ting not to do. Stop bickering and flaming eachother, this is a place to discuss in game topics, opinions, suggestions and for fun, not to bite other peoples heads off and have an arguement. Take it somewhere else not relating to Fiesta and the others that are involved with Fiesta. I hope people read the forum rules before they act like this in the future. -.-

[heavensraven]

as you can see they are both avid posters, so GET OUT OF THIER WAY!! and run

[Asheer]

from 1950 till 2000 America was pictured as land of many oportunites (famous American dream) but what was more important as land of freedom, DEMOCRACY and what in this time was very important FREEDOM OF SPEECH!! in time when "communist paradise" rule over much part of the world (including my country).

Its really sad sytuation when foreginers must tell US citizens what is a true meaning of 4 July celebration.

But when i see relations about young peoples REFUSE to speak Plegde of Loyality, burn US flag, having Cheguevara as somesort of idol(by the way Che was a full blood communist<killed by his own people at order of Fidel "El Commandante" Castro by the way>.) i am start to see really bad future of America.

And about trashing Outspark.

Its past already whole week from time when first information about EU Fiesta have surfaced and instead of keeping us updated over sytuation (and i mean updated informations from CRS side) like European staff do, Outsark staff start acting like Communist goverment ("If we censored any information then there will be no case...").

Please dont lecture us about obeying ToS right now because if they treat us in this way then they should not expect that such behavior will be acceped and followed.

Thats why celebration 4 July by Outspark after last week events is more as sad joke from thier side.

But i wish you all Happy 4 July in sake of my US friends and really,really hope that what was happend is not a sign of very bad times for US Fiesta...

[Angelxx]

You are assuming that the deletion of those threads are to censor the information. Read the threads and look at the rude posts in them. Did it occur to you that the threads were deleted because of the trashing going on? How about deleting those threads because they contained misleading information. Until Outspark posts an official notice, there is really no concrete evidence of anything. Trashing a company based on rumours is not a form of freedom of speech. It is really sad to see the youths of today think that it is.

From past experience, nothing Outspark does will satisfy the players. When they post something, people will complain it was insufficient or inaccurate because changes occur. When they do not post, people complain they are hiding facts. Just let Outspark sort things out first and wait for their official announcement. How hard is that?

If people wish to discuss the issue, it is easy enough to discuss it maturely and calmly, without resorting to trashing Outspark. Unfortunately that has not happened. Why are people surprised those threads were removed?

Before you point fingers at Outspark for their lack of action, first reflect on yourself, your words and your actions. Then come talk about democracy and freedom of speech.

[Asheer]

Angelxx please...

Only posts (witch only whit very bad intention can be considered as rude) where at the end of threads because of PERMANENT LACK OF INFORMATION from Outspark side when Gamigos staff respond at every question about sytuation( By the way they even ask us to remain calm and NOT saying bad things about Outspark).

I will ask you simple question.

Will really hurt Outspark immage if CRS will post something like?:

"We negotiate whit our European partners satysfy deal and we will notice you all after this"

And there will be no anger, and feelings of betrayl.

But from i learn at EU site Outspark very quick send a demand to BLOCK US IPs from acces to Site (what Gamigo do by the way).

OK, i known that there is no more room for any discusion at this forum about US - EU Fiestas relations because any kind of critics over Outspark behavior can be interpreted as "Inflamatory", but i want to warn you.

Its very easy to cross Rubikon, and soon wake up in very unplesant sytuation.

[yourmojo]

In case you are not aware, there is a rule against writing stuff that trashes Outspark or its staff. I'm just surprised they have let you off.That kinda proves his point =\

[smitske]

I geuss angelxx likes communism, anyways, they shouldnt be trashed if they didnt mess around with the basic values and actually did something on their costemer support.

BTW angelxx it has no use for you posting my threads anymore, ive blocked you.
And no im not running away, unlike you i'm being the bigger person again.

And thanks asheer for the explanation, you put it very well there.

[Asheer]

No problem but i am more as sure that this thread wont "survive" Saturday's sunset.

What makes me however sad that atleast some of CLs (let us not forget that they are same players as we) start play role Political Officers taking care over pollitical correct thinking of the rest Fiesta's community.

And i like to repeat after my sister post.

This is no longer issue over if IP block will or not occure, this is matter of basic principes in relationship betwen Outspark and us.
Respect should be common but when one side are start acting against second side then should not expect blind obeyedness from atleast part of community.

Respect is something what is build durring long period of time and showing respect by both sides, however destroying such respect can even such trivial (from the begining) sytuation and undertaking methode to handle them.

I known that people thinkink like me are in minority in compare to huge Outspark supporters and we will be still suppressed untill IP block will a fact of life.

[smitske]

yes one in perticular for who'm I had a lot of respect is now just losing the thing that makes someone human, thinking for yourself instead of following rules like a robot cause someone else sais it even if it is aginst the thing they claim to believe in.

[Angelxx]

What you HEARD on another website does not signify the truth. Do you honestly think the other website is going to say that they were the ones making demands? Seriously?!

By all means block me. I don't care if you can't read them. All I care about is posting my views on threads, be it yours or anyone elses. If people do not wish to hear opposing views, they should never ever post in forums.

I am not saying that Outspark was right to not provide information. I'm saying that it is wrong to trash them for what you hear from others.

Quite frankly, what is the purpose of threads that trash Outspark? Does it make them more inclined to tell you anything? You wish to talk about freedom of speech? What about their rights as a company? They are within their rights too you know.

Again I reiterate. Being rude and obnoxious is NOT exercising freedom of speech. It is being rude and obnoxious. Look through all the threads and posts by OP. Then come tell me that he has not attempted to discredit Outspark repeatedly. He may try to make it sound noble but from his track record, his personal agenda is anything but. If you wish to be his pawn, by all means go ahead. I stand by my views, whether you like it or not.

Personally I find it ironic that a non cash user who has always trashed Outspark for the fact Sparkcash users have certain 'advantages' suddenly decide that he is fighting for their rights. I for one am not naive enough not to see what he is trying to do. Whether or not you wish to fight for what you think are your rights the right way or be used as his pawn to fight it for his own agenda the wrong way is up to you.

[smitske]

Well considering outspark doesnt give us information and this thread has ended up in the debate again, and to get away from people flaming so they actually have a reason to close it, heer's an update :

One more question officially answered(by Alpha of european fiesta):

x has exclusive rights for Europe, Outspark has exclusive rights for USA, Canada and Mexico. Both companies are obligated to block the players of the corresponding countries. x doesn't except registration outside the EU already and I expect, that Outspark will do the same soon.

It's still open what happens with the accounts, that have been created before the EU-Version was announced. If they are IP-blocked as well, gamigo will try to make an Acc-Transfer (complete character, all stats and items) into a separate Advance-Server. If this is not possible, the US players will get some kind of compensation for their invested money (value and process is still undecided).

As I said, this is the current status. Discussions between Outspark and x are running. We will tell you when there is more information, but suggest that the European players wait for the EU-Version.

[Angelxx]

I went to the EU forums to see for myself how much better they are supposedly being.

I was utterly appalled by what I read.

Current players dissing Outspark and allowed to do so.
EU Fiesta GMs making insinuating remarks about Outspark and Fiesta GMs.
Gamigo pushing all blame to Outspark directly or indirectly.
They have no more informaton than Outspark does. At least Outspark isn't making derogatory remarks about them. And people think the other company is more professional?

What a joke.

[Asheer]

I went to the EU forums to see for myself how much better they are supposedly being.

I was utterly appalled by what I read.

Current players dissing Outspark and allowed to do so.
EU Fiesta GMs making insinuating remarks about Outspark and Fiesta GMs.
Gamigo pushing all blame to Outspark directly or indirectly.
They have no more informaton than Outspark does. At least Outspark isn't making derogatory remarks about them. And people think the other company is more professional?

What a joke.

Then why they dont defend thier stance?, do we forbidd them to express thier point of view?, no and Outspark STILL remain stone silent and that is whole problem.

By the way did you read WHOLE thread?.

Gamigo GMs have ask everyone to restrain thier negative comments about Outspark but they are RESPECT our rights to free expression.
Furthermore right now you try create picture of sytuation witch do not have place.
Only someone who dont want accept true stand off will interpreted posts there as attack at Outspark.

If Outspark will be OPEN for a debate i hardly doubt that any sort of negative waves will ever occured, instead they go in silent mode closing any threads about Eu Fiesta, and pretend that problem does not egsist.

And about your remarks about CS/non CS users.(from earliest post)

Forgive me but what was the point of this attack?, right now you try create a picture some growing up huge plot against Outspark.
I speak my own voice and nobody else and you try just justyfy fact that we have right.
Please wake up before will be too late.

[smitske]

angelxx, you shouldnt say a thing if you know nothing.

Last time(and prolly this time to I wouldnt know i cant read your posts but I can read the quote) you say I only talk bad, cheer ignorance you only see the bad just what you always claim that i see.

This time again, if you actually payed attention they asked us not to talk bad about outspark, yet unlike outspark, they didnt supress us and we do have our own oppinion, they just asked us and didnt force us in any way, unlike here where our threads are being removed for no reasen and we get threats of Cl's or staffs for banning or those things.

I wouldnt have started this if Outspark wouldnt be so TIRANICAL, cause they act like a dictater.Censoring everything and suppressing our freedom of speech.

[Angelxx]

Then why they dont defend thier stance?, do we forbidd them to express thier point of view?, no and Outspark STILL remain stone silent and that is whole problem.

By the way did you read WHOLE thread?.

Gamigo GMs have ask everyone to restrain thier negative comments about Outspark but they are RESPECT our rights to free expression.
Furthermore right now you try create picture of sytuation witch do not have place.
Only someone who dont want accept true stand off will interpreted posts there as attack at Outspark.

If Outspark will be OPEN for a debate i hardly doubt that any sort of negative waves will ever occured, instead they go in silent mode closing any threads about Eu Fiesta, and pretend that problem does not egsist.

And about your remarks about CS/non CS users.(from earliest post)

Forgive me but what was the point of this attack?, right now you try create a picture some growing up huge plot against Outspark.
I speak my own voice and nobody else and you try just justyfy fact that we have right.
Please wake up before will be too late.

You wake up instead. Stop looking at things from one side.

Yes, they said don't attack Outspark and in the same post say that it takes 2 hands to clap and they can't do it alone. Did anyone miss the insinuation there?

Freedom of speech? Let's see how much freedom of speech they support if it was them you were derogatory about. At least Outspark will not allow derogatory posts about other games.

CS and non CS? It was in direct response to someone claiming that he is doing all these for the rights of CS users who have spent real cash. Obviously you missed some things.

How ironic that you think blaming Outspark is 'speaking your voice'. Maybe you need to get a 'voice check'. I still stand by my view that being obnoxious and rude is NOT freedom of speech. I am not saying don't voice your opinions or your views BUT it hasn't been 'voiced' so far. Making rude and obnoxious remarks trashing Outspark isn't voicing your opinion. There is a big difference and I feel sorry for you if you cannot recognise that.

[Asheer]

You wake up instead. Stop looking at things from one side.

Yes, they said don't attack Outspark and in the same post say that it takes 2 hands to clap and they can't do it alone. Did anyone miss the insinuation there?

Freedom of speech? Let's see how much freedom of speech they support if it was them you were derogatory about. At least Outspark will not allow derogatory posts about other games.

CS and non CS? It was in direct response to someone claiming that he is doing all these for the rights of CS users who have spent real cash. Obviously you missed some things.

How ironic that you think blaming Outspark is 'speaking your voice'. Maybe you need to get a 'voice check'. I still stand by my view that being obnoxious and rude is NOT freedom of speech. I am not saying don't voice your opinions or your views BUT it hasn't been 'voiced' so far. Making rude and obnoxious remarks trashing Outspark isn't voicing your opinion. There is a big difference and I feel sorry for you if you cannot recognise that.

I really start to question myself if any sort of free from emotion(and sudden work of Outspark censors) debate is here now possible.
And i think its time to leave before they show me dors whit flashing green word EXIT

[smitske]

well again, I aint selfish, thats why i keep talking abiut those CS users, i dont live in my own little world where im the only one that matters.

How would yo feel if you paid for things and then get to hear, and thne get cut off from the thing you paid for without any warning? And its a debate, and things concerning money are always strong and important points.

Second o your point of irony, true blaiming them isnt freedom of speech, but they already took that away before we started trashing them so your argument has no value here.

[Angelxx]

I really start to question myself if any sort of free from emotion(and sudden work of Outspark censors) debate is here now possible.
And i think its time to leave before they show me dors whit flashing green word EXIT

Why can't you understand that you can voice your views and opinions as long as it is not flammatory or involves certain topics like religion, politics, etc which can incite alot of flames and arguments.

Try non accusatory forms of expression. My gripe isn't about the fact people are unhappy or that they want to voice their unhappiness. It is the method being used to voice such opinions. I have many friends in EU too that I would hate to lose but I cannot support such methods of addressing issues. It serves no purpose.

As I have said before, it would be nice for Outspark to address our concerns. However, if I was in their shoes, the threads have not given them any motivation or inclination to actually do so. Continuing to trash Outspark isn't going to get the issue resolved.

The reason threads about this issue have been repeatedly deleted is I'm sure largely due to the way the issue has been handled by posters. That's my personal opinion anyway.

[Asheer]

Why can't you understand that you can voice your views and opinions as long as it is not flammatory or involves certain topics like religion, politics, etc which can incite alot of flames and arguments.

Try non accusatory forms of expression. My gripe isn't about the fact people are unhappy or that they want to voice their unhappiness. It is the method being used to voice such opinions. I have many friends in EU too that I would hate to lose but I cannot support such methods of addressing issues. It serves no purpose.

As I have said before, it would be nice for Outspark to address our concerns. However, if I was in their shoes, the threads have not given them any motivation or inclination to actually do so. Continuing to trash Outspark isn't going to get the issue resolved.

The reason threads about this issue have been repeatedly deleted is I'm sure largely due to the way the issue has been handled by posters. That's my personal opinion anyway.

I am sorry Angelxx but i am too old for political correctness and furthermore i live in country witch have over 50(from 1945 till 1989) years goverment who put anybody to prisons just for free expression what we have been thinking about way how they treat us.(You can go to prison for 5 years just to say loud that Prime Minister was an idiot but luckyli thier were put out of rule in 1989).

So please dont lecture me how i should express my stance over this issue.

Sigh... belive me when proper time come you will see how real world work and by the way i doubt that Outspark will even to bother to say Thank you for your deffence them.

[Angelxx]

Well, I am probably older than you so I know very well how the real world works as you put it but that is besides the point.

Bear in mind this is a game issue, not a political issue. Do not confuse the two.

And I am not defending Outspark the company. As I have said, I am opposed to the way this issue has been addressed. Being derogatory of Outspark using 'freedom of speech' as an excuse is not acceptable.

Just because I am opposed to the way people voice their displeasure over this issue does not mean that I have no concerns about this issue. I just believe there are more mature ways to handle it. I'm surprised that if you are as old as you claim to be, you still believe that dissing Outspark and making rude demands is the way to get the issue resolved.

[Angelxx]

well again, I aint selfish, thats why i keep talking abiut those CS users, i dont live in my own little world where im the only one that matters.

How would yo feel if you paid for things and then get to hear, and thne get cut off from the thing you paid for without any warning? And its a debate, and things concerning money are always strong and important points.

Second o your point of irony, true blaiming them isnt freedom of speech, but they already took that away before we started trashing them so your argument has no value here.

Tell that to someone who believes you.

A look through your posting records can prove that you trash them at every opportunity.

It will also reveal how you trashed them about their 'preferential treatment' of Sparkcash users. Forgive me if I express doubt over your supposed reason for raising this issue.

Don't use other players for your own agenda of hate for Outspark.

[smitske]

lolz another quote to read, I only have 1 point to adress, you say we do it wrongly, yet we did it in a polite non flammatory way, and they just removed all, so then this ois the only way to me how we can actually get an impact, people always listen more to complaints and always remember the bad side more.

[Asheer]

Well, I am probably older than you so I know very well how the real world works as you put it but that is besides the point.

Bear in mind this is a game issue, not a political issue. Do not confuse the two.

And I am not defending Outspark the company. As I have said, I am opposed to the way this issue has been addressed. Being derogatory of Outspark using 'freedom of speech' as an excuse is not acceptable.

Just because I am opposed to the way people voice their displeasure over this issue does not mean that I have no concerns about this issue. I just believe there are more mature ways to handle it. I'm surprised that if you are as old as you claim to be, you still believe that dissing Outspark and making rude demands is the way to get the issue resolved.

I was born in 1972 (i have nothing to hide about this) so let us known(whit your right hand on heart) how old you are and then maybe we can discus further.

[Asheer]

Tell that to someone who believes you.

A look through your posting records can prove that you trash them at every opportunity.

It will also reveal how you trashed them about their 'preferential treatment' of Sparkcash users. Forgive me if I express doubt over your supposed reason for raising this issue.

Don't use other players for your own agenda of hate for Outspark.

QUOTE FOR SMITSKE :D(since you block Angelxx)

[smitske]

hehe thanks, well angel this just prooves how limited your memory is and how shortsighted you are, if you really followed my posting over the last 4days(thats how long ive been back) you wouldve seen that the first day I even thanked them, but ofcourse you dont see or say that, and I have no personal agenda nor anything political, my only goal is to make the game as good as possible for my and others their enjoyment, thats also why I am so stubborn if it comes to that point with the botter.
And also with this vcause this concerns a lot of the community and could cause drastic changes.

I think your agenda is a bit more poltical then mine.

[Angelxx]

hehe thanks, well angel this just prooves how limited your memory is and how shortsighted you are, if you really followed my posting over the last 4days(thats how long ive been back) you wouldve seen that the first day I even thanked them, but ofcourse you dont see or say that, and I have no personal agenda nor anything political, my only goal is to make the game as good as possible for my and others their enjoyment, thats also why I am so stubborn if it comes to that point with the botter.
And also with this vcause this concerns a lot of the community and could cause drastic changes.

I think your agenda is a bit more poltical then mine.

On the contrary, I understand this is a game. I don't do politics in game or in fact, in real life. :)

Anyone can look through your posts and see for themselves. I do not have to prove that the only one with limited and selective memory is you. ^^

[Asheer]

On the contrary, I understand this is a game. I don't do politics in game or in fact, in real life. :)

Anyone can look through your posts and see for themselves. I do not have to prove that the only one with limited and selective memory is you. ^^

:D(next one)

OK guys time to over this debate because we all express our stance and further stand off betwen us may only gives a one more reason for another Thread wipeout.

However if you decide to continue then feel free to do this but i am withdraw myself for any further posts :)

I wish you all Happy 4 July.

[chyiochan]

Well, I am probably older than you so I know very well how the real world works as you put it but that is besides the point.

Age these days really has nothing to do with knowledge. :o

[Angelxx]

Age these days really has nothing to do with knowledge. :o

No it often doesn't but I wasn't the one who brought age up. Which was the reason I said that was besides the point. :)

[smitske]

lolz angel, I dont know if i should feel frightened by you hunting all my thread cause you might be a pedofile stalker, or honored caue you find it usefull to go after all my thrads, mainly I find it pathetic.

Bu your memory fails a lot, It is true that the last 3 days I havent said anything good, yes but 4 days ago I THANKED outspark openly, you missed that post? or you refuse to see it?

Its is true that 2 months ago I waspretty pissed they didnt bann the botter that cost me my upload maximum twice to upload a movie of.
But you failed my other thread to then didnnt you?

I made threads in request of a staff member on all the bugged quests, I made a constructive critisism thread right before the less positive attitude started then, and then you also failed to notice it just as now.

Sorry but you are both pathetic and shortsighted, try to make me look bad by saying I only tell bad things while it isnt so.

[Angelxx]

OMG you made one nice post about Outspark on top of the gazillion trashing posts!!! Big news! Someone call in the tv crew!

Like I said, the history of your posts speak for themselves. I do not need to point them out.

Oh and you forgot to mention to the rest of the people here how you trashed Outspark in the other forums by saying they are doing things the American way. So not only did you trash Outspark, you trashed Americans. How kind of you. Be sure to get the Americans to thank you too. ^^

Oh and people can check my posts too and see for themselves if I am stalking you as you claim. As far as I can remember, in the last few days I have only responded to threads you made which were about the SAME topic.

Seriously though, even if I wanted to be a paedophile, I would be one with some taste. And guess what, you definitely do not qualify. ^^

[chyiochan]

Smitske, You are taking it a bit too far with the pedofile thing. That is extreemly rude and uncalled for. You aren't even staying on the topic of your first debate.

My advice is that you nor Angel post in here unless its about the July 4th Question.
I do not want to see you two banned for this nonsense. :(

[smitske]

tell her, I asked her before, and there she gave a clear impression she didnt want to, besides she takes conclusions and I take mine, anywayz im gonne request closure for this to considering my stalker wont leave me alone.

[Angelxx]

LOL someone likes to dream. Sorry I have no interests in stalking boys like you. Like I said, I have taste. ^^

As for asking me not to post, somehow you fail to mention that you continued to address me in your posts which prompted my replies. And I will continue to reply as long as I have anything else to address, be it your post, your thread or anyone elses.

[chyiochan]

I didn't mean for you to not post. You're getting too technical. I was kinda leaning for you and smitske.

[Angelxx]

I didn't mean for you to not post. You're getting too technical. I was kinda leaning for you and smitske.

Hehe. Sorry. Not you. Him. That's all he keeps telling me. To stop posting then he makes remarks following that demand that prompts a reply from me.

Even when I haven't posted he makes remarks about me in his posts. Then he claims I refuse to leave his threads alone. Ironic.

[smitske]

I didn't mean for you to not post. You're getting too technical. I was kinda leaning for you and smitske.

nope but I did repeatedlly and I do so again now.

[Kuydo]

I'm sorry but, I gotta comment on this one.

Though it seems the question in itself has already in answered in the first few posts, bickering is still going about on other topics that do not exactly pertain to this one at hand or branch far off it. If you wish to comment on another person actions or what they say then take it to the PMs or if you have a problem with someone abusing the reputation system or other rules in place contact the proper CLs and get it settled that way. Because continuing to post back and forth about those issue in such a way isn't going to get them settled properly and will only hurt both sides in the end.

[smitske]

thats why I repeatidly asked to stop and asked 2 cl's already to close

[KireiYosei]

The OP(original poster, as in the person who started this thread), has requested I close this thread.