European IP Block Discussion

[CSR_Joker]

I know you want to discuss this issue. We just made the announcement right here: http://outspark.com/forums/announcement.php?f=9

This is the thread to talk about it. Please do not start several other threads, They will be deleted. Please stick to this thread here.

Thank you!

[Andromeda]

Well there we go now we wait for a date for this to occur and say our goodbyes to the European players

[Serric]

Thanks for the update, Joker.

As promsied to the rest of the users, the discussion is now [OPEN].

[KireiYosei]

I really am sorry to those who will no longer be able to play, and I will miss you guys D: I enjoy talking to Europeans. I love being able to compare cultures and discuss and kid about our differences.

-.-

[CSR_Joker]

Well there we go now we wait for a date for this to occur and say our goodbyes to the European players

This has actually started for Germany on Friday June 27th, 2008. I am not sure when the other countries will follow.

[UzumakiW]

Thanks for letting us know Joker. Can't say this is very good news, but it's not like we can do anything about it. I'm definitely going to miss all of my European friends. Please keep us updated if you learn anything else. Thank you.

[Andromeda]

This has actually started for Germany on Friday June 27th, 2008. I am not sure when the other countries will follow.

So sad :(

I hope there could be a possible account transfer to the European servers so the European players dont loose the CS items and hours of playing they have put into the game.

[Mistyhoney]

So does this mean all our characters, items, and sparkcash items will all be just deleted?
OR will there be a data transfer?

[booyah8876]

Umm...

I'm kinda...

upset, but I'm not gonna yell and scream.

I just bought more Cash Shop items, and now this is going to happen...

But if I'm in Germany right now... and it's past the 27th, and I'm afk vending currently...

I'm confused about this block.

I can see the forums here as well.

[143snake]

T_T my guild will fall apart, so many europeons there

[Stonie]

Well, that's kinda confusing, I'm from Germany aswell and I was online like 5 minutes ago Oo


oh and booyah8876, I think the forums don't have anything to do with the block ^^

It would be pretty cool, if there is a account transfer, I play for a long time now and don't want to loose all the hours and memories on my character...

The last thing to say is, that I always was happy to play Fiesta as a game from outspark, because I always liked, what they did :)

Farewell

[booyah8876]

Ohoh!!

So do I get to ask what's going to happen to the Foreign GM's??

._.

[booyah8876]

Well, that's kinda confusing, I'm from Germany aswell and I was online like 5 minutes ago Oo


oh and booyah8876, I think the forums don't have anything to do with the block ^^

It would be pretty cool, if there is a account transfer, I play for a long time now and don't want to loose all the hours and memories on my character...

The last thing to say is, that I always was happy to play Fiesta as a game from outspark, because I always liked, what they did :)

Farewell

But if you're in the USA, and you try to access the German Forums on Gamigo...

it tells you you're not allowed to X.x

[versiee]

I have to admit.. this really saddens me. A lot of the people whom are in my friendslist are from those areas. It sucks having to see all of them go. But I guess there's nothing much I nor the rest of you can do. :( Among all those who've been banned were some really close friends of mine, which really blows. Now I sit here and constantly wonder how each server will be from now on. It's going to be so empty.. :( most of those that have been banned were capped people too so that even sucks more. :( Gah this is really frustrating.

[Stonie]

Now that's weird :D I just thought, that the forum is kinda open for everybody who would like to join and write, wether he's from Europe or not ^^

[Serric]

The forums are open to all - as far as I know, the ban doesn't affect the forums. If I am wrong, I am sure I will be corrected.

I, too, will be sad to see these players go. I have a feeling the IP ban was not anyone's first request when this all began...

[CristoPT]

Well I can't stress how mad / sad I am about this.

Not even referring about the time I spent leveling my characters or the money I spent, my guild and my friends ingame mean a lot to me. And that, can never be replaced.

I am portuguese and I'd love to know the exact date when my access to Outspark Fiesta will be blocked.

[Starcraze]

Well I can't stress how mad / sad I am about this.

Not even referring about the time I spent leveling my characters or the money I spent, my guild and my friends ingame mean a lot to me. And that, can never be replaced.

I am portuguese and I'd love to know the exact date when my access to Outspark Fiesta will be blocked.


Will miss you tremendously Cristo aka Chewbacca.

Yes, i think we all would like to know when. Out of curiousity, what if i am to visit one of the European countries. I am by the from Malaysia. Which server will i be able to login or do i stop playing the whole time i'm there?

[versiee]

:( ugh man i don't think i can log in game anymore. every time i think about it.. it makes me so sad..

[CSR_Joker]

So does this mean all our characters, items, and sparkcash items will all be just deleted?
OR will there be a data transfer?

It means that folks from Europe will not be able to connect. We are not touching any characters in game. If they happen to login from a non European IP I'm sure they can resume play.

[rusk87]

I'm from Germany
I'm playing since september...thx for wasting my time :o
oh and thx for the money i gave to outspark, which i wouldn't get back..even if they tell sth like that
Bye bye to all the ppl i met here
i won't let my char tranfer to any other version pfffff

[Kristeen]

I cant understand what you mean with " we can no longer provide suport to fiesta players". What does this mean? We can still play? Will eu players acc be blocked? Or only new acc are blocked?

[Stonie]

That means, that ips from european countries will no longer be able to connect to this fiesta server

[earlfuzz]

Gamigo AG now holds the European publishing rights for Fiesta in countries including Germany, France and Spain.

Will we get a full list of the countries affected? I am from the United Kingdom and would like to know if I have been wasting spark cash for the last couple of months?

[UzumakiW]

:( ugh man i don't think i can log in game anymore. every time i think about it.. it makes me so sad..

I hope you're not leaving :(. That would just add more friends of mine that are leaving. But to tell you the truth, I'm not really in the mood right now for the game either. Though, I'll stick with it. Man, this is such a bummer :(.

[DeathPyres]

So, the IP block only applies to those in France, Germany, and Spain? For now, that is?

And, good bye my friends. D: I really hope that they don't extend their rights to other European countries (haha, yeah right) so. This sucks. Most of my friends ARE European. I wonder if a company's gonna release a general Asian version. Again, major crap. >.<

ETA: Proxies. Would European players be allowed to use these and basically change their IP addresses to a valid one and access Fiesta?

[CSR_Joker]

Now that's weird :D I just thought, that the forum is kinda open for everybody who would like to join and write, wether he's from Europe or not ^^

The IP Block is only for the client. Our forums are open to everyone.

Also to answer another question posted above:

There will not be any account transfers.

We are pretty much complying with decisions made by the game makers. There's not really anything else that we can do about this issue :(

[Mistyhoney]

So all the time and money i have spent on this game has just basically been a total waste ?
All my Outspark items i have in my inventory just goes to waste?

So basically to keep playing my character i have built up to 7x the only way i can play is using a proxy? :o

Why did Outspark allow EU players on this version in the 1st place?

Sorry so many questions im pretty mad about this..
P.S im from UK

[rusk87]

There will not be any account transfers.



this is getting better and better :confused::confused::mad:

[Gamerchik93]

idk if this is such a great idea on the game makers part... i mean..their talking about losing a lot of players.. and not only that but since they are getting taking away from this version with all their friends..are you so sure they will be willing to play and start over on a version where they know no one? ... sorry but ..this is a bad choice ..and it sucks that we are gonna lose so many great people...it really does...

[DeathPyres]

Why did Outspark allow EU players on this version in the 1st place?

OutSpark didn't know that OnsOnSoft, the devs, wanted a different company to handle Europe. If that's not the case, wouldn't you want to cash in on countries where you're the exclusive carrier? Take it from their view. Money. You want it, don't you?

Also...

OutSpark obtains all rights from OnsOnSoft. Whatever OnsOnSoft says, OutSpark is in no place to argue. OnsOnSoft made the decision to let Gamigo publish their own localization of Fiesta.

[Serric]

So all the time and money i have spent on this game has just basically been a total waste ?
All my Outspark items i have in my inventory just goes to waste?

So basically to keep playing my character i have built up to 7x the only way i can play is using a proxy? :o

Why did Outspark allow EU players on this version in the 1st place?

Sorry so many questions im pretty mad about this..
P.S im from UK

Please remember, Outspark isn't the developer, it's a distributor, just like Gamigo AG. The decision, I'd bet, as well as the non transferrence, stems from OnSon Soft. Outspark has little control over the Korean company's decisions. I would be willing to bet they don't want to see a large portion of their client base leave either and DEFINATELY wouldn't want to see them leave without everything you've all worked so hard to build.

[ljkabookie]

thats really sad, a few people on my friends list were from there also. thats a major population loss for all servers. damn.

[SeventhMagpie]

I am soooo sad to see some of our players go.
But hands up, theres nothing we can do anout it apart from cry into our pillows every night for a week.
I do hope this band doesnt spread to many other countries...

Farewell French German and Spanish players, I will miss you. Too much.

[CristoPT]

Farewell French German and Spanish players, I will miss you. Too much.


Actually is farewell european players ><

[DeathPyres]

Actually is farewell european players ><

For now, it's to the Spanish, French, and German players. =\

BUT, REMEMBER. Proxies! These are servers that retrieve the data for you, and their IPs CAN be American ones that would be necessary for you to play the OutSpark version of Fiesta! But proxies are slow. D: You can spoof your IP, while I don't know how legal that is. ;_;

[DemonBlitzKragor]

Actually is farewell european players ><

actually its french german and spanish also as people have been noted to get an e-mail from these parts noting about the IP ban and its also sated in the announcement to be only these three countries.

[Mistyhoney]

Ty for that info Serric.
(even tho i have never heard of gamigo till yesterday >.<)

Well i guess i wont be playing fiesta no more ='(

[heavensraven]

Theres gonna be a ip block on all Euro countries right?? but right now its only France, gERMANY, and Spain am i right?

[Serric]

Ty for that info Serric.
(even tho i have never heard of gamigo till yesterday >.<)

Well i guess i wont be playing fiesta no more ='(

To be honest, I am not even certian they existed before this...

I want to say there is an answer. I really do. Perhaps something will come up for the attentive.

[DeathPyres]

Theres gonna be a ip block on all Euro countries right?? but right now its only France, gERMANY, and Spain am i right?

I hope it doesn't expand beyond France, Spain, and Germany. Gamigo might obtain the rights to more countries. Or it might already have the rights, but is still localizing more versions. =\

[rusk87]

not right nów but soon

[CristoPT]

"We would like to inform our European friends that a local version of Fiesta will soon be available in your area. Gamigo AG now holds the European publishing rights for Fiesta in countries including Germany, France and Spain. Outspark can no longer provide support for Fiesta players with IP addresses in these areas."

What I get from this part of the announcement is that for now is Germany, France and Spain, but rest of Europe soon as well.

[DeathPyres]

From Wikipedia regarding Gamigo's history:

"Hamburg-based MMOG Publisher gamigo AG, a subsidiary of German media Company Axel Springer AG, was founded in 2000 as a special interest gaming magazine but launched the first German MMOG in 2001, the localized version of The 4th Coming. The company has since published over 15 different titles in the EU, among them the German, French and Spanish versions of Shot Online and Last Chaos as well as the German versions of Level R (Project Torque) and World of Qin 2. The company also holds full EU-rights for MMORPG Fiesta Online and Online Tennis game Smash Online, publishing (or planning to publish) these games in English, German, French and Spanish."

Please edit my post if this isn't allowed. ;_;

[heavensraven]

Yea im getting that too, i Assume sooner or later its gonna be all of Europe getting fiesta from that company :(

[Serric]

Well... let's not jump ahead of ourselves. It says "European friends" - all countries mentioned are European... I don't get the sense it's going to take over all of Europe...

[WendaBoogy]

is England included in the IP ban as well? you said 'including Germany, France, and Spain', but it wasn't listed, so I just had to ask ^^;

[canibus2000]

Damn! What a waste of time! I feel cheated... like a lot of ppl from these countries . Bye to all hours spent in this game, money in Fiesta Store and Illusions with many people :( Its better for both companies... both lost money and players :)

[Mistyhoney]

is England included in the IP ban as well? you said 'including Germany, France, and Spain', but it wasn't listed, so I just had to ask ^^;

Yes we are included on a later date tho, but there is no date stated.

[ChaosAD]

All i can say is, Thanks for nothing Outspark. If i had known this IP block BS would happen i wouldnt have spent a damn penny on your CRAP.

[KireiYosei]

Yes we are included on a later date tho, but there is no date stated.

I really don't want the UK to go D: I mean, its sad that ANY country is being blocked. But two of my best friends in-game are from the UK.

[rusk87]

ppl should rly delete their accounts instead of giving that new company our money..they don't deserv it :mad:

[SeventhMagpie]

No, we (English players) are safe for now :)

[UzumakiW]

All i can say is, Thanks for nothing Outspark. If i had known this IP block BS would happen i wouldnt have spent a damn penny on your CRAP.

It's not Outspark's fault this happened.

[Shadowic2]

I am also curious if the UK will be blocked.
I have a very good friend who I've known outside of the game for 6+ years and she lives in the UK. It was stated that the countries being blocked were Germany, France and Spain. Are these the only ones?

I do think that the decision to create a Euro-Fiesta is doomed to fail. Especially after having the Outspark-Fiesta out for nearly a year, and not blocking anyone cept for a few locations. I doubt many who are going to be blocked from this version will be willing to go to that one. And I believe it was said that they are going to be at the stage where this game was when it first came out. So it's like losing all of your time and money, for a lower quality version.

[Mistyhoney]

I really don't want the UK to go D: I mean, its sad that ANY country is being blocked. But two of my best friends in-game are from the UK.

I know how you feel most of my friends are American =''(

[SeventhMagpie]

If England does get blocked, I will deal with that as it comes :/

[Mistyhoney]

No, we (English players) are safe for now :)


Umm just for now its meant to be released in Summer, it is Summer now.

[rusk87]

do u know what the biggest scam is?
they knew that EU players might get banned soon but they brought out those new asia crap and we bought it all
nice behaviour

[SeventhMagpie]

But the euro version is still in CB isnt it? Or has it even got that far?

[DeathPyres]

All i can say is, Thanks for nothing Outspark. If i had known this IP block BS would happen i wouldnt have spent a damn penny on your CRAP.

It's NOT OutSpark's fault. If you read my posts, you'd know that OnsOnSoft, the developers, made the choice to let Gamigo release their own localization.

@ Sat - I think their version is in CB, but the data will be wiped at the end of it. OB won't.

@ Rusk - OutSpark didn't know this, I'd presume, because Gamigo just made their website. o.o The forums for Gamigo JUST opened.

[Krusnik02]

>.> Proxies, anyone wanna shed light on these players that don't wish to play by the new publisher? Does Xtrap catch proxies, despite them not altering the game? >.> I'd use one if this happened go Canadians.

Also, Outspark? You're losing money ^^

[rusk87]

But the euro version is still in CB isnt it? Or has it even got that far?


ya its closed beta...like 500 ppl play it right now..more will be added soon

[blanketpenetrate]

I can't help but feel a bit mad at this whole situation, though I know that nothing can be done. For one, a chunk of the community will vanish, just like that. Friends gone, guilds left masterless or empty, just like that. And besides that, it just feels so wrong. I can imagine being a player from one of these countries, it would feel like a slap in the face. "Thanks for playing our game and spending money on it, but screw you and gtfo". And knowing that there will be no sort of account transferring, which would seem to be the most fair and logical way to deal with this smoothy, just makes it into that much more of a big pile of *(@#*&&*@*.

Again, not putting blame or criticism directly towards any party, it just seems like a buncha bull****.

[Shadowic2]

do u know what the biggest scam is?
they knew that EU players might get banned soon but they brought out those new asia crap and we bought it all
nice behaviour

Nothing was official whether or not certain areas would be banned. Outspark didn't have that information.
And Outspark did not force anyone to buy the new CS items. Buying CS items is solely the choice of the user.

[jenny_uk]

-.- greaaattttt now how am i supposed to spend time with my guildies my friends and my bf? -.-" if england gets banned im outty i was about to spend more money on spark cash whats the point now -.-

[SeventhMagpie]

Then I expect other countries will be affected after Closed Beta. If at all.

[Stonie]

Oh well, I think I have some news from the German Gamigo page... first.. the uk players and the players from netherland will get blocked for sure...

But this interesting: Gamigo is planing to start an advanced server, on which outspark fiesta players are able to transfer their accounts.. they don't really now if that will work... another of their ideas is, that all European outspark players will get an excuse for the wasted time, but they don't know in which way..

[Mistyhoney]

But the euro version is still in CB isnt it? Or has it even got that far?



here is the info

The German version is currently in Closed Beta. The english version is currently re-translated for a "summer" launch. The French and Spanish versions are slated for a fall/winter release. Other languages are possible and will be considered for 2009 depending on player feedback. Want your language version? Bring all your friends over!


(hope im allowed to post this ) sorry if im not allowed to

[Andromeda]

>.> Proxies, anyone wanna shed light on these players that don't wish to play by the new publisher? Does Xtrap catch proxies, despite them not altering the game? >.> I'd use one if this happened go Canadians.

Also, Outspark? You're losing money ^^

Most likely not but I wouldnt recommend doing it unless you just want to get banned quicker.

[DeathPyres]

>.> Proxies, anyone wanna shed light on these players that don't wish to play by the new publisher? Does Xtrap catch proxies, despite them not altering the game? >.> I'd use one if this happened go Canadians.

Also, Outspark? You're losing money ^^

I'd imagine proxies would work, because basically, the servers couldn't tell the difference. Fiesta's servers send info to the proxy, and the proxy relays it to your computer. xTrap wouldn't catch it, I hope.

[ChaosAD]

It's NOT OutSpark's fault. If you read my posts, you'd know that OnsOnSoft, the developers, made the choice to let Gamigo release their own localization.

I dont give a damn who's fault it is. All i know is that all the time and money i've spent on this game is all being blown to ****. That is why i say thanks for nothing. OutSpark has ALWAYS pissed me off one way or another so to me this is all their fault and i dont care if anyone tells me otherwise.

I mean come on, im being IP blocked soon, do i freakin look like i care what anybody has to say? Hell no.

[ljkabookie]

If australia was affected id find a new game. there is no way id start a new character after the hours of game play ive put in.

isnt there a way of rerouting your ip/proxies through another server,etc so you can still access this game?

[Andromeda]

If australia was affected id find a new game. there is no way id start a new character after the hours of game play ive put in.

isnt there a way of rerouting your ip through another server so you can still access this game?

Australia is probably the only unique country in all of this. Not being blocked from either version so Australia has it very very lucky.

[versiee]

You know.. ugh i don't even have the guts to log into versiee anymore. Earlier I saw my entire list go from yellow.. to suddenly gray.. out of 50 people only 7 remain yellow..:(:o it really blows. i wish there's something that can be done about this. massive amount of players are being taken out.. i can understand if they were scammers, spammers or junk.. but these people are actual good friends and what not.. so it really bums me to see all of them go.. :(

- one more thing.
DO NOT TAKE YOUR ANGER OUT ON OUTSPARK. they're just as bummed as we are. everything that's happening atm is beyond their control. Im sure if it was up to Outspark none of this would happen. So ease up a bit people. I know a lot of you are mad, annoyed.. trust ME I KNOW im standing on the same flat form just as all of you are...

[Stonie]

I guess it's better, if I post it a second time:

There are official news on the German Gamigo website, that there MAYBE will be a character transfer, or a excuse for the us players, or they find a way, that all accounts, that has been registerd before the announcement, can stay on the us sever.

[DeathPyres]

If australia was affected id find a new game. there is no way id start a new character after the hours of game play ive put in.

isnt there a way of rerouting your ip through another server so you can still access this game?

Read: Proxies. >.<

To ChaosAD, I don't appreciate being talked to like that. I'm trying to help here. There's talk of compensation for European Fiesta players on OutSpark, AND a character transfer, from what I've read on Gamigo's forums. BUT, the transfer will be AFTER the official release. There will be a server for all of the transfered accounts. I'm JUST as bummed out as you.

[Andromeda]

Read: Proxies. >.<

To ChaosAD, I don't appreciate being talked to like that. I'm trying to help here. There's talk of compensation for European Fiesta players on OutSpark, AND a character transfer, from what I've read on Gamigo's forums. BUT, the transfer will be AFTER the official release. There will be a server for all of the transfered accounts.

Proxies wouldnt make a difference considering its most likely some sort of ToS violation you are still going to get banned if you are caught.

[Shadowic2]

I guess it's better, if I post it a second time:

There are official news on the German Gamigo website, that there MAYBE will be a character transfer, or a excuse for the us players, or they find a way, that all accounts, that has been registerd before the announcement, can stay on the us sever.

Could you post a link to this news?

[UzumakiW]

- one more thing.
DO NOT TAKE YOUR ANGER OUT ON OUTSPARK. they're just as bummed as we are. everything that's happening atm is beyond their control. Im sure if it was up to Outspark none of this would happen. So ease up a bit people. I know a lot of you are mad, annoyed.. trust ME I KNOW im standing on the same flat form just as all of you are...

Exactly. This is beyond Outspark's control. I'm sure if they were able to, they'd try their best to let everyone stay, but it's out of their hands, unfortunately.

[DeathPyres]

Proxies wouldnt make a difference considering its most likely some sort of ToS violation you are still going to get banned if you are caught.

There's no violation that I know about in the ToS. I'll see if there is after I finish dinner. >.>

[versiee]

I guess it's better, if I post it a second time:

There are official news on the German Gamigo website, that there MAYBE will be a character transfer, or a excuse for the us players, or they find a way, that all accounts, that has been registerd before the announcement, can stay on the us sever.

please post a link pertaining to this information

[DeathPyres]

Here's the link to what Stonie has said.

http://fiesta-forum.gamigo.de/showpost.php?p=1616&postcount=1

OutSpark and Gamigo are apparently STILL in the works of figuring out what to do.

[Andromeda]

There's no violation that I know about in the ToS. I'll see if there is after I finish dinner. >.>

Bypassing a ban should be enough alone. IP Ban means you can no longer play on the server from your country so trying to bypass this when you have your own European version would surely be against the rules.

[Stonie]

arw, I guess I just post it public, I'm to lazy to send so much pms: http://fiesta-forum.gamigo.de/showthread.php?t=50

[heavensraven]

I'd imagine proxies would work, because basically, the servers couldn't tell the difference. Fiesta's servers send info to the proxy, and the proxy relays it to your computer. xTrap wouldn't catch it, I hope.

By doing this, arent you violating something?? im curious, cuz it sounds like anything that gets around xtrap so it wouldnt catch it souunds illegal. O_O

[Nenova]

This displeases me very badly.

Even with a character transfer I'd probably quit cause most my friends are from the US, or non-european anyway.

One question: will the ip-block be announced before it happens so we can say our goodbyes and do things like... give away our stuff and appoint a new guildmaster?

[Kaidela]

I know this isn't Outspark's decision. I believe this because they will be losing money, which is probably their worst nightmare. But this is RIDICULOUS. People who have spent months playing this game and have spent even hundreds of dollars on the Cash Shop are going to be IP banned, including friends of mine. I just hope that proxies will work.

Even with the compensation. I don't care. I'm really gonna miss my friends. :\

[Mistyhoney]

I guess it's better, if I post it a second time:

There are official news on the German Gamigo website, that there MAYBE will be a character transfer, or a excuse for the us players, or they find a way, that all accounts, that has been registerd before the announcement, can stay on the us sever.


Yup i seen that ..but i have no faith or heart in fiesta game no more, I feel so cheated..

There are days in fiesta we all want to quit, as we get *bored* same thing day in day out, but we always log back in as we can't stay away from *real friends*.
Going to a new server with all my items etc does not make up for the friendships we made in game..YES i know we can email ,msn etc but its not the same as playing together.
:(

[ChaosAD]

Read: Proxies. >.<

To ChaosAD, I don't appreciate being talked to like that. I'm trying to help here. There's talk of compensation for European Fiesta players on OutSpark, AND a character transfer, from what I've read on Gamigo's forums. BUT, the transfer will be AFTER the official release. There will be a server for all of the transfered accounts. I'm JUST as bummed out as you.

I know all of that. Im an everyday visitor to the Gamigo Fiesta forum. But even if there is a transfer, all the damn money i've spent on Outspark's crappy temporary items has all gone to waste with this freakin IP block.

And even if by magic BS miracle, the Europians that are already registered here are allowed to keep playing, this IP block crap has more then enough turned me off from Outspark's Fiesta.

Oh and sorry i hurt your little feelings, but i did warn you i dont give a damn now that im gone for good didnt i?

[DeathPyres]

Blahs. Fine, proxies are outta the question...

Perhaps OutSpark and Gamigo might allow current players to keep playing the version they're using, and force NEW players to use the correct version? I do hope they consider this. It'll make basically every user happy, and minimize loss of the userbase.

Again, no need to get all angry with me. Mocking me isn't going to help ANYTHING, so can it. I don't want to hear it.

[Farashimisanoob]

Do you have to be in Euro area to sign in on that forum?

[Andromeda]

Do you have to be in Euro area to sign in on that forum?

Im from Australia and I can see that forum correctly

[redjumpsuitapparatus]

can we play euro version if we are not in europe?? lol............

Hey is New Zealand Europe?? lol its australia right ?? ;o

[Andromeda]

can we play euro version if we are not in europe?? lol............

Hey is New Zealand Europe?? lol its australia right ?? ;o

I already asked this earlier Australia and New Zealand are entitled to play both version at the moment.

[Farashimisanoob]

Hmm, I do see this is quite unfair. Similar to the ''other'' blocks they were supposed to have in other areas.

[DeathPyres]

Frank, Australia has access to both versions of the game. Neither company is obliged to block their IPs. New Zealand is also a part of Australia ( the continent ).

[redjumpsuitapparatus]

wooot lol........ ima play :D thankies Mintie :p

but they shouldn't block new zealand D:<

[Andromeda]

Frank, Australia has access to both versions of the game. Neither company is obliged to block their IPs. New Zealand is also a part of Australia ( the continent ).

If a block is put in place for Aus/NZ most likely these 2 countries will be blocked from using the European version in my opinion.

[Farashimisanoob]

If a block is put in place for Aus/NZ most likely these 2 countries will be blocked from using the European version in my opinion.

But you'll still have access to the US version?

[DeathPyres]

If a block is put in place for Aus/NZ most likely these 2 countries will be blocked from using the European version in my opinion.

I should have said at the moment. Lol. Thanks for correcting that.

Yes to Eric's question, I'd imagine so.

[Andromeda]

But you'll still have access to the US version?

Yup I remember when the Euro version was hosted by that other company earlier I could access that plus the European version.

As for what it says on the Euro forum here is a copy and paste its in German

Da diese Frage so oft aufgetaucht ist und auch auftaucht, möchte ich hier nochmals darauf eingehen:

Fiesta Online Europa startet vom technischen Standpunkt her mit der selben Version die Outspark zur Zeit hat.

Der einzige Unterschied ist, dass wir ein anderes Levelcap haben, sicherlich auch noch nicht alle Premiumgegenstände und sehr wahrscheinlich auch noch nicht alle Maps von Anfang an aktiviert sind.

Einfach das ihr versteht - die Version sind bei beiden Gleich. Eben wie das Gerüst eines Hauses überall gleich ist. Nur der "Besitzer" entscheidet dann über Farbe, Innenbereich etc.

Hoffe das beantwortet die Frage und nimmt Euch die Sorge, dass wir in Europa mit einer veralteten Version starten http://fiesta-forum.gamigo.de/images/smilies/wink.gif

Lieben Gruss
Fleur

[watchthewind]

O: bann France please don't i'll miss you APl something like that lol ;''''[

[Shadowic2]

Yup I remember when the Euro version was hosted by that other company earlier I could access that plus the European version.

As for what it says on the Euro forum here is a copy and paste its in German

Da diese Frage so oft aufgetaucht ist und auch auftaucht, möchte ich hier nochmals darauf eingehen:

Fiesta Online Europa startet vom technischen Standpunkt her mit der selben Version die Outspark zur Zeit hat.

Der einzige Unterschied ist, dass wir ein anderes Levelcap haben, sicherlich auch noch nicht alle Premiumgegenstände und sehr wahrscheinlich auch noch nicht alle Maps von Anfang an aktiviert sind.

Einfach das ihr versteht - die Version sind bei beiden Gleich. Eben wie das Gerüst eines Hauses überall gleich ist. Nur der "Besitzer" entscheidet dann über Farbe, Innenbereich etc.

Hoffe das beantwortet die Frage und nimmt Euch die Sorge, dass wir in Europa mit einer veralteten Version starten http://fiesta-forum.gamigo.de/images/smilies/wink.gif

Lieben Gruss
Fleur

<.< Anyone know German?

[redjumpsuitapparatus]

Yup I remember when the Euro version was hosted by that other company earlier I could access that plus the European version.

As for what it says on the Euro forum here is a copy and paste its in German

Da diese Frage so oft aufgetaucht ist und auch auftaucht, möchte ich hier nochmals darauf eingehen:

Fiesta Online Europa startet vom technischen Standpunkt her mit der selben Version die Outspark zur Zeit hat.

Der einzige Unterschied ist, dass wir ein anderes Levelcap haben, sicherlich auch noch nicht alle Premiumgegenstände und sehr wahrscheinlich auch noch nicht alle Maps von Anfang an aktiviert sind.

Einfach das ihr versteht - die Version sind bei beiden Gleich. Eben wie das Gerüst eines Hauses überall gleich ist. Nur der "Besitzer" entscheidet dann über Farbe, Innenbereich etc.

Hoffe das beantwortet die Frage und nimmt Euch die Sorge, dass wir in Europa mit einer veralteten Version starten http://fiesta-forum.gamigo.de/images/smilies/wink.gif

Lieben Gruss
Fleur


ehhhh?? translation ._.?

[Andromeda]

<.< Anyone know German?

Google Translator do that

Oh there is another post under it here is that post also

Und noch eine oft gestellte Frage einmal offiziell beantwortet:

gamigo hat die exklusiven Rechte für Fiesta in Europa, Outspark in den USA, Canada und Mexiko. Beide Firmen sind verpflichtet Spieler aus dem jeweiligen Land zu blocken - gamigo nimmt bereits keine Registrierungen außerhalb der EU an und ich gehe davon aus, dass auch Outspark dies in Kürze umsetzt.

Derzeit offen ist was mit Accounts ist, die vor der Ankündigung der EU-Version erstellt wurden. Sollte es auch für diese einen IP Block geben, so wird gamigo versuchen einen Acc-Transfer (kompletter Charakter, alle Stats und Items) auf einen neuen separaten Advance-Server duchzuführen. Sollte dies nicht möglich sein, so werden US Spieler zumindest für das investierte Geld "entschädigt" (Höhe und Ablauf noch unklar).

Wie gesagt, das ist der aktuelle Stand. Gespräche zwischen Outspark und gamigo laufen. Wir melden uns sobald es neue Informationen gibt, raten jedoch allen europäischen Spieler auf die EU-Version zu warten.

[Stonie]

It just says, that the version of the Gamigo client will be the same, as the outspark client ^^

and the second one is about the character transfer possibility

[DeathPyres]

Yup I remember when the Euro version was hosted by that other company earlier I could access that plus the European version.

As for what it says on the Euro forum here is a copy and paste its in German

Da diese Frage so oft aufgetaucht ist und auch auftaucht, möchte ich hier nochmals darauf eingehen:

Fiesta Online Europa startet vom technischen Standpunkt her mit der selben Version die Outspark zur Zeit hat.

Der einzige Unterschied ist, dass wir ein anderes Levelcap haben, sicherlich auch noch nicht alle Premiumgegenstände und sehr wahrscheinlich auch noch nicht alle Maps von Anfang an aktiviert sind.

Einfach das ihr versteht - die Version sind bei beiden Gleich. Eben wie das Gerüst eines Hauses überall gleich ist. Nur der "Besitzer" entscheidet dann über Farbe, Innenbereich etc.

Hoffe das beantwortet die Frage und nimmt Euch die Sorge, dass wir in Europa mit einer veralteten Version starten http://fiesta-forum.gamigo.de/images/smilies/wink.gif

Lieben Gruss
Fleur

Translated into English by a forum user of our own, Ryokosha, I believe.

One more question officially answered:

Gamigo has exclusive rights for Europe, Outspark has exclusive rights for USA, Canada and Mexico. Both companies are obligated to block the players of the corresponding countries. Gamigo doesn't accept registration outside the EU already and I expect, that Outspark will do the same soon.

It's still open what happens with the accounts, that have been created before the EU-Version was announced. If they are IP-blocked as well, Gamigo will try to make an Account-Transfer (complete character, all stats and items) into a separate Advance-Server. If this is not possible, the US players will get some kind of compensation for their invested money (value and process is still undecided).

As I said, this is the current status. Discussions between Outspark and Gamigo are running. We will tell you when there is more information, but suggest that the European players wait for the EU-Version.

[redjumpsuitapparatus]

D: does this mean outspark will be blocking all countries and the people in USA will be the only one to access the game ? D:?

is this a way to reduce racism? lol?

[WendaBoogy]

it kind of makes me sick to my stomach to hear that there will be an IP ban for the Euro players... it's very unfair for them that they've spent all of this time working their characters up, spending their money on spark cash, and now they're getting told they have to start back over, or they'll probably rage-quit the whole game.

My guild master is level 79, has been for three months, and has been desperately waiting a cap-raise... he gets on every day, and bored out of his mind, he finds something to do, someone to help, someone to hang out with... but he did it knowing that soon the cap would raise and it would've all been worth the wait.

Three months after 'the cap raise will be in May, the raise is now at the end of June, the raise will happen maybe in July,' and now 'the cap is set to happen in August'... he waited all that time, and he gets booted out, just like that. He's been a mentor, a great help to a lot of people, an inspiration, and a leader like no other... this IP ban is losing us a lot of valuable players, and I don't feel it's a good move, though I understand why it has to be made. It just upsets me, and I might have to spend a few days alone following his ban.

Will I come back to fiesta? Of course. But will it ever be the same? Never.

[Triumph]

D: does this mean outspark will be blocking all countries and the people in USA will be the only one to access the game ? D:?

is this a way to reduce racism? lol?

Gamigo acquired rights to license Fiesta in Europe.

It has nothing to do with racism.

Outspark will block the majority, if not all, European IPs. Australia and New Zealand are still able to access, along with Canada and Mexico. So no, it won't be just US players playing here.

[RockSea]

I have to admit I am very torn up and upset about this, most of my friends and my very very close friend are people who will no longer be able to join. Yes I can talk to them elsewhere but it wont be the same and I don't think I will be able to play for awhile without feeling sad. If I do at all. I think it is terrible they are being held off without much notice and no real compensation for their time and money, though I'm not pointing fingers at anyone specific. I will not pretend to understand how things like this work or who gives the orders etc. I just want to say that to all of you I got the pleasure of knowing or playing with it was an honour and I will miss you, and to those of you I hadn't got to know yet it's a shame and good luck to you all in the future. We love you guys! <3

Brightly
56 Cleric
Apoline

[Nenova]

Since this grows so fast and two pages have past, i will ask my question again:

Will it be previously announced on the Outspark Fiesta Forum which countries IP are going to be banned before it actually happens with a date of when it happens?

[Vivi575]

Great. So I lost playing for months? So I lost the money that I spent on sc? So I'm losing access to all my ig items? Nice going! I have one thing left to say...

**** FIESTA

[Triumph]

Since this grows so fast and two pages have past, i will ask my question again:

Will it be previously announced on the Outspark Fiesta Forum which countries IP are going to be banned before it actually happens with a date of when it happens?

I don't believe it has been fully announced.

The announcement says "includes Germany, France, and Spain," but as Gamigo has licensing rights to EU Fiesta, I imagine they have the power to demand that all of Europe be IP banned from Outspark's servers.

[Seria]

Couldnt they just do something to let the currently registered people stay and ban others from registering?
These people have spent alot of time playing this game. Look at all the high lvls we are going to be loosing, and not only that our friends we have made on this game.
It might just be a game but these people are real and I hate loosing friend in RL or on this game its ridiculous.

Im going to be loosing friends and my guild master, who is also a friend, because of this. What will happen to DarkBattalion? and otehr guilds? Guild masters, admins, members, friends, and people who were like family are going to be gone, banned from our game life.

Also the money they have spent playing this game. Some people have spent alot playing this game. And honestly, honestly, nice timing on the Asian packs. The people who didnt believe this would go through or didnt know about it, yeah they bought it and you sucked in the last bit of money you could get from them which is crappy. You could have waited to release it until after it was official and people knew about it.

It is sucky on the time and money people have waisted because of this. Even though this isnt outsparks fault its still crappy.

[DeathPyres]

Since this grows so fast and two pages have past, i will ask my question again:

Will it be previously announced on the Outspark Fiesta Forum which countries IP are going to be banned before it actually happens with a date of when it happens?

Possibly. There's no concrete info yet, but many users would be dismayed to have no announcement. The logical thing for OutSpark to do would be to announce it. So. x.x

[Hobo147]

I am shocked, upset, and very angry about this annoucement. Some of my best friends are from these areas and i dont know what will happen when they are banned. Will i still continue to play fiesta? Yes but im sure my attitude towards it will have changed. I dont think that its fair how these people have spend irl money on something and then suddenly have it deleted/blocked and then thrown somewhere else to start over. I have a feeling deep inside me that outspark and gamigo w/e will allow all accounts in european countries before this annnouncement to remain playing on the current server they were made on. For those player who will still be allowed, I really believe they will view fiesta differently. no matter what happens, fiesta will NOT be the same after this. Nothing can replace friends made... I am in wendas guild also and i dont know what to say because wild has been waiting so long for the cap to raise and then suddenly told he cant play anymore? How wrong is that... I mean seriously there should have been a much more advanced announcment about the futures of european players. Overall, this disgusts me...and its a shame to see what has happened in the last few days. I will pray on this at night and i have a deep feeling that they will be allowed to keep the accounts (those made before the announcement). oh by the way i get psychic feelings, but if they arent right this time... I love you all, those who i have known and have not known. <333 Peace to all, good luck with whatever occurs and what you choose to do after this is over.
-Hobo147

[Mistyhoney]

gamigo announces European version of hit MMORPG Fiesta Online
| 19th June 2008 |

Leading European MMOG publisher gamigo AG is proud to announce the acquisition of the exclusive European publishing rights of the English, German, French and Spanish versions of Fiesta Online, a “free to play” Online Roleplaying game that has already enjoyed massive success in the US and Asia. Featuring detailed 3D graphics and a rich game world with numerous quests and epic storyline, the high quality game already enjoys a thriving European community. Players can now pre-register for the Beta-Test by signing-up on.

Announced on the 19th of June on Playfuls.com and we just hear about it now :(

[Hobo147]

i dont blame outspark for any of this however its really a shame to release new items and then announce this. WHY??? WHY??? How can you have the guts to suck the last bit of money out of these people... Ive seen it all but only a few times have i seen things more disgraceful than this...

[DeathPyres]

gamigo announces European version of hit MMORPG Fiesta Online
| 19th June 2008 |

Leading European MMOG publisher gamigo AG is proud to announce the acquisition of the exclusive European publishing rights of the English, German, French and Spanish versions of Fiesta Online, a “free to play” Online Roleplaying game that has already enjoyed massive success in the US and Asia. Featuring detailed 3D graphics and a rich game world with numerous quests and epic storyline, the high quality game already enjoys a thriving European community. Players can now pre-register for the Beta-Test by signing-up on.

Announced on the 19th of June on Playfuls.com and we just hear about it now :(

Wow. Ouch. Now I'm a bit ticked at OutSpark. The info was out. Why the late announcement?

If OutSpark did this to rake in a little more money... Shame. Honestly. I'm done defending OutSpark. That's ridiculous. Even the EXCLUSIVE rights were announced.

Congratulations OutSpark, you did a great job of notifying us. Sorry for the sarcasm, but... Ugh, that disgusts me.

[Nenova]

Possibly. There's no concrete info yet, but many users would be dismayed to have no announcement. The logical thing for OutSpark to do would be to announce it. So. x.x

Yes, but a vague indication alraedy would be nice. I mean, germans, french and spanish people are freaking out now and spending SC like mad while we don't know whén they shall be banned. I am from another EU country (netherlands) and am also curious as to when I shall be banned. I need to make sure everything ends out as best as possible with my guild and other things.


On a side-note, it has been confirmed on the forum of gambasomething that all characters will be deleted after closed ánd open beta. So if you decide to try out the EU version now, know your char will be deleted xD

[SandaimeHokage]

When the discussion started I've posted a notice about this on my guild window. We are a guild of only poruguese people, and even though Portugal its not listed, I belive it wont take long. None of my guild mates knew anything about an EU fiesta or an IP block, they were shocked. I've told them I'd keep them updated on the situation, and its time to give them the bad news.

Damn, and I've just leved to 70 today.

[Hobo147]

Also, what is going to happen to these guilds run by european masters? Are they going to be blocked immediately and force the remaining to reform? I know that mamy guilds will be torn apart because of this and it saddens me deeply...All i can do is hope, pray, and have faith...

PS I am from the US, So Cal FTW!

[Mistyhoney]

Hobo maybe Outspark was trying to save their players they have.. we dont know this, but im sure this is going to be a HUGE financial lost to Outspark and the owners of Outspark is as upset as we all are.

[Andromeda]

Hobo maybe Outspark was trying to save their players they have.. we dont know this, but im sure this is going to be a HUGE financial lost to Outspark and the owners of Outspark is as upset as we all are.

There isnt much they can do and I think I saw something earlier posted saying that all current EU players on US version will still be on the chopping block too

[Mistyhoney]

Wow. Ouch. Now I'm a bit ticked at OutSpark. The info was out. Why the late announcement?

If OutSpark did this to rake in a little more money... Shame. Honestly. I'm done defending OutSpark. That's ridiculous. Even the EXCLUSIVE rights were announced.




yup i feel the same , they could have at least informed their players rather us finding them posted on other gamesites :(

[DeathPyres]

There isnt much they can do and I think I saw something earlier posted saying that all current EU players on US version will still be on the chopping block too

Yep, the fates of all current accounts have yet to be decided. The two methods they've talked about dealing with this are: A transfer or a recompensation. Neither sounds as good as allowing current players to play the version they're on now.

[Mistyhoney]

There isnt much they can do and I think I saw something earlier posted saying that all current EU players on US version will still be on the chopping block too


I know it just hurts to keep reading it =''(

[omenra]

Wow. I'm extremely bummed now :(
I live in the US so it won't affect me directly, but what about the European friends I made? (which is about half of them)....no offense whoever made this deal, but thanks for making my summer start off great *sarcasm*

[Hobo147]

how can they lose money on something that is virtual? Does that make sense? Sure you have to hire workers and staff and all but no matter what you will always have people buying cs items...I am damn sure that they arent not losing HUGE financially...I know they are equally upset as us but no they are not worried financially...Worst of all they knew this all a week in advance and didnt have the dignity to tell us? and i am sure that they made plenty of money buy releasing these items... okay im sick of reading mroe and more but overall this is a huge shame to a game witha bright future T_T

[Andromeda]

Yep, the fates of all current accounts have yet to be decided. The two methods they've talked about dealing with this are: A transfer or a recompensation. Neither sounds as good as allowing current players to play the version they're on now.

Only compensation I could see is provide solid proof what items and the levels of the characters you have and maybe they might make characters for you instead of a transfer.

[DeathPyres]

I know it just hurts to keep reading it =''(

=\ Same... I desperately hope that they allow current players to keep their characters.

And to OutSpark... You've just betrayed the trust of a lot of people in your decision to not announce this. I bet none of this would have been announced if the rumors hadn't leaked out.

Alright, count of hands. Who no longer trusts OutSpark to alert the community ASAP?

Andromeda, there's talks of monetary reimbursement of SparkCash... and they might inburse your time wasted on your characters? what a joke. You can't replace time nor friends. Ever.

Hobo, OutSpark would be losing out on players to spend money on SparkCash. less players = less people buying SparkCash.

[Andromeda]

=\ Same... I desperately hope that they allow current players to keep their characters.

And to OutSpark... You've just betrayed the trust of a lot of people in your decision to not announce this. I bet none of this would have been announced if the rumors hadn't leaked out.

Alright, count of hands. Who no longer trusts OutSpark to alert the community ASAP?

Andromeda, there's talks of monetary reimbursement of SparkCash... and they might inburse your time wasted on your characters? what a joke. You can't replace time nor friends. Ever.

They already did but they didnt want to release any more info until they were sure about what was happing with the IP Ban

[DeathPyres]

They already did but they didnt want to release any more info until they were sure about what was happing with the IP Ban

They announced that there was a European version. Yes, I know. BUT, when it says "exclusive rights", I mean, that's screaming an IP ban. OutSpark lost the rights to European countries, so, the IP ban was inevitable. But OutSpark stayed mum on the subject until now. >.<

[Mistyhoney]

how can they lose money on something that is virtual? Does that make sense? Sure you have to hire workers and staff and all but no matter what you will always have people buying cs items...I am damn sure that they arent not losing HUGE financially...I know they are equally upset as us but no they are not worried financially..


seemingly there was a poll made (dont know if true)
and it turns out 80% is EU players.
the money they use ..ie *sparkcash shoppers* pays for servers bandwidth etc

[Hobo147]

It doesnt matter how "few" which is really that small there will still be thousands of palyers buying sparkcash and remember everything here is virtual and they dont have to spend a cent to make it.

[Cha0sTribe]

gamigo announces European version of hit MMORPG Fiesta Online
| 19th June 2008 |

Leading European MMOG publisher gamigo AG is proud to announce the acquisition of the exclusive European publishing rights of the English, German, French and Spanish versions of Fiesta Online, a “free to play” Online Roleplaying game that has already enjoyed massive success in the US and Asia. Featuring detailed 3D graphics and a rich game world with numerous quests and epic storyline, the high quality game already enjoys a thriving European community. Players can now pre-register for the Beta-Test by signing-up on.

Announced on the 19th of June on Playfuls.com and we just hear about it now :(



In my opinion, they should announced this important thing earlier here, at this forum.

Don't make us find other info from other source. Its shameful, and irresponsible thing to do.

Now your integrity is questionable...

My 2 cents.

[DeathPyres]

It doesnt matter how "few" which is really that small there will still be thousands of palyers buying sparkcash and remember everything here is virtual and they dont have to spend a cent to make it.

The money they're losing is in the future. They're losing customers... Less income.

Cha0sTribe... Exactly.

[Hobo147]

I no longer trust outspark and i am not spending another dime on sparkcash until this problem is solved...And the poll is half true and half false...Its not 80% of players for EU but there are probably a decent percentage (40-60) that are from EU. Americans are too lazy to go on forums and answer polls? :D

[Hobo147]

DeathPyres:What if there is no long term for OutSpark? Who knows but this could have doomed outspark in the long run... But you are right it will hurt them over time... All of us are too pissed to care right now ^.^

[DeathPyres]

I no longer trust outspark and i am not spending another dime on sparkcash until this problem is solved...And the poll is half true and half false...Its not 80% of players for EU but there are probably a decent percentage (40-60) that are from EU. Americans are too lazy to go on forums and answer polls? :D

That's two people who don't trust OutSpark... Any more?

[Mistyhoney]

In my opinion, they should announced this important thing earlier here, at this forum.

Don't make us find other info from other source. Its embarrassing, and irresponsible thing to do.

My 2 cents.


yup well says there, I think this is why most of us feel cheated.:mad:

[Mistyhoney]

/me goes to try sleep and hopefully wake up to it all being a nightmare :mad:

[Hobo147]

okay..sleep well :D

[Krusnik02]

Here's some news. Don't trust OnsOnsSoft, this new publisher, or anything like these because they really don't give a flying rat's bottom about us.

[DeathPyres]

Here's some news. Don't trust OnsOnsSoft, this new publisher, or anything like these because they really don't give a flying rat's bottom about us.

That too. ;_;

All of the companies are out for money. That's obvious. Greed is a blinding emotion. Gamigo is trying to allow account transfer, why? They want the people to use their Cash Shop to make money. So, technically, everything these companies do to "help" us could be in fact furthering the amount of money they stand to make.

[Mistyhoney]

Here's some news. Don't trust OnsOnsSoft, this new publisher, or anything like these because they really don't give a flying rat's bottom about us.

Maybe we can send them all angry mails xD

[WingSword]

Well first I am from Germany and I still can play O.o dunno why but I can x.x (hope it wont change D: )

As many people mentioned it now- yes it is like a slap...
You spend so much time and money in this game and now we get blocked... I dont think anyone would have spent money if we would have known our IPs will get blocked... I dont wanna say I'm mad cuz I spent money but if i spent money on a game I want to decide when I quit! =.=
As long as theres a way to play the Outspark version Ill do it - if not I wont move to the European version and we will look for another game which everyone can play...

Without the people I met here I wont play any fiesta version anymore even if they move my account to the other version and we get an excuse and a redress... zzz what do they think we are -.-" you cant let us play together for months and expect us to say "oh yea we understand it and of course we will move... bye everyone was nice with you..." -.-"

I dont play a Mmorpg to be with only Europeans thats bs - I want to play with people all over the world =.=

[Tommy2k7_uk]

what i dont understand is that they are sayin to us we can play there other games but how long till some one gets the rights to them so no point anyone playin outsparks games at all might as well watch them fail big time lmao

also there is something that can be done and i think some people are already looking it to it some legal stuff :D:p you hear that (LEGAL STUFF)

[DeathPyres]

Well first I am from Germany and I still can play O.o dunno why but I can x.x (hope it wont change D: )

As many people mentioned it now- yes it is like a slap...
You spend so much time and money in this game and now we get blocked... I dont think anyone would have spent money if we would have known our IPs will get blocked... I dont wanna say I'm mad cuz I spent money but if i spent money on a game I want to decide when I quit! =.=
As long as theres a way to play the Outspark version Ill do it - if not I wont move to the European version and we will look for another game which everyone can play...

Without the people I met here I wont play any fiesta version anymore even if they move my account to the other version and we get an excuse and a redress... zzz what do they think we are -.-" you cant let us play together for months and expect us to say "oh yea we understand it and of course we will move... bye everyone was nice with you..." -.-"

I dont play a Mmorpg to be with only Europeans thats bs - I want to play with people all over the world =.=

Yes. The IP block hasn't been enacted on current players because they're undecided as to what they want to do.

Anyways. I play MMORPGs to be able to be in contact with people from all over. Hello, diversity. You're right.

Tommy, OutSpark MAY have the exclusive rights to distribute their other games to everywhere. But for Fiesta, they didn't. Well, they might've but it got sold out. >.<

[Andromeda]

Well first I am from Germany and I still can play O.o dunno why but I can x.x (hope it wont change D: )

As many people mentioned it now- yes it is like a slap...
You spend so much time and money in this game and now we get blocked... I dont think anyone would have spent money if we would have known our IPs will get blocked... I dont wanna say I'm mad cuz I spent money but if i spent money on a game I want to decide when I quit! =.=
As long as theres a way to play the Outspark version Ill do it - if not I wont move to the European version and we will look for another game which everyone can play...

Without the people I met here I wont play any fiesta version anymore even if they move my account to the other version and we get an excuse and a redress... zzz what do they think we are -.-" you cant let us play together for months and expect us to say "oh yea we understand it and of course we will move... bye everyone was nice with you..." -.-"

I dont play a Mmorpg to be with only Europeans thats bs - I want to play with people all over the world =.=

I don't think they are blocking the countries straight away they will do it soon then you will get that message saying you can no longer play on this server from your location message.

[Tommy2k7_uk]

on the eu forums this has been said

Just keep in mind - that with "those areas" they mean all of Europenean Union incl Switzerland and Turkey.

To me the email is a little confusing - since they are only pointing out Germany, Spain and France.

I beg you not to start speculating - I passed the Email on to Alpha for an offical statement.

Until then please remain patient.

Thank you
Fleur

[WingSword]

sigh Ill just go sleep now and hope they find a solution for the accounts which exist here already -.-
hope its just a nightmare >.<

good night everyone

[DeathPyres]

on the eu forums this has been said

Just keep in mind - that with "those areas" they mean all of Europenean Union incl Switzerland and Turkey.

To me the email is a little confusing - since they are only pointing out Germany, Spain and France.

I beg you not to start speculating - I passed the Email on to Alpha for an offical statement.

Until then please remain patient.

Thank you
Fleur

*sigh*

Fleur and Alpha are the GMs on the Gamigo version of Fiesta. Apparently, Alpha is the Marketing Director and Fleur is the Lead GM. Anyways, it's not the EU. It's Europe in general.

That message is in reply to the email that OutSpark has posted...

Outspark IP Block for European Players
Greetings Fiesta players,

We would like to inform our European friends that a local version of Fiesta will soon be available in your area. Gamigo AG now holds the European publishing rights for Fiesta in countries including Germany, France and Spain. Outspark can no longer provide support for Fiesta players with IP addresses in these areas.

We encourage those who reside in those areas to visit http://fiesta.gamigo.com for more information about Fiesta in your part of the world.

Please be aware that this announcement does not pertain to any of our other games. Should you wish to enjoy Secret of the Solstice, Bread 'n Butter or Project Powder, we encourage you to do so! Please direct any additional questions to support@outspark.com.

Best Regards,

-The Outspark Team

[Jen1073]

Well i think those that allowed this to happen seems to be forgetting how much the social element is important in this game. Its something that is encouraged in every aspect of the game, and then they treat people like numbers by just saying oh well you can't play here anymore good bye...go play across the street.

Part of the reason i play this game is because of it's diversity and the fact that you can meet peoplel from all over the world.
Maybe my msg wont do anything to change this, but at least i voiced my opinion.

I just don't want to lose the fun of playing with some of the best players in the game like IceMad, and Kildars

[luckywalker07]

To be honest this is outrageous, to waste peoples time and money like this is just ludicrous! To think have that right.....

Sorry but this whole thing just seems like a convenient scam.

This is a social game! and now it's ruined, don't be surprised when people start quitting like mad.

[iceman86321]

hmmm dont no what this sucks so bad all my time lvl and weps armor and the big things like guild ppl i have meet on the way all for fk all can you give me a time for when the ppl in england will be kickt so i have time to say good bye:(

p.s thanks for the good time and good bye all

[Alektos]

:( Well, I am very sad. About or over half my friends IPs will be or are banned from Outspark's version. And while I know that it has to be done (very likely because of legal agreements) it makes me want to not play Fiesta for a while until everyone forgets me and I can start anew (That won't happen mainly because my other friends will need my support during this time).

However I have infiltrated the Gamigo Forums for English Version and have spotted a few familiar names. (Elfenlied, smitske, Luke.mc, and a few others.)

[-Leona-]

LOL so all those money, time and effort was in vain, Outspark simply just gives European a kick lol, not surprised.

[Crossglaive]

You can always play via a proxy.

[WarpstonePsycho]

This is bad marketing and poorly thought through. here is why and here is why the game will suffer from it

Many members in lots of guilds are European. Many of these players have been playing for a long time. I know a few LVL 60 - 79 characters who have invested a great amount of time in this game and in the relationships forged in the game.

By banning European IPs you are cutting off YOUR customers and a big chunk of the populations on your servers. This effect will be felt in lots of guilds and have a negative impact on players regardless of where they come from.

I fully understand opening the game up to other countries and for them to be able to acquire NEW PLAYERS or players who willingly want to go over. Not cutting off the people who you have used to develop the game through the BETA phaze to where it is now.

Any company interested in retaining customers making money and growing should realize that the key to retaining customers is through the IMPROVEMENT of service quality and not through dumping customers. In fact the number 1 rule in business is KEEP YOUR CUSTOMERS!!! the reason why is becouse customers will if treated badl;y look somewhere else.

Don't think the only players effected are those in Europe

I will loose guild members because of this. their presence in the game is a significant factor in the quality and service that is provided to me. If banning mass amount of players is something the people behind this game are comfortable with why would i choose to download one in the future knowing that the friendships and advancements i made through the game could be cut off so easily. What is to say in 3 months you don't separate canada from the game because some Canadian company wants to buy the rights.


My solution is easy. provide active members an update that allows them to play while any new European player must redirect to the company that now offers service there.

The chances of you doing this or having the foresight to create a contract with the fiesta developers and other fiesta distributers that would allow for this is very unlikely.

to be honest i was thinking of getting a dragon getting a little more spark cash and what not , but i dont think i will untill i can be sure that i will continue playing this game with the people i enjoy playing it with. if thoes people are removed then this game will have lost a signifcant amount of appeal.

Im not even going into how nice it is to be able to play this game with people in Argentina, Singapore, Mexico, England and South Africa and how one of the big pulls for a game like this is not just the fact you get a little cute character to run around with, but your able to meet people from all over the world.


THIS WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON ALL PLAYERS OF THE GAME people will quit the server populations will drop and the game will be empty in comparison to what it is now. like i said BAD marketing and will lead to BAD publicity for OUTSPARK through the disregard of the commitment they have to their customers.

i have more to say on this topic . other solutions and more reasons why this will not benefit outspark even if there is a short term monetary incentive.

[CSR_Joker]

All i can say is, Thanks for nothing Outspark. If i had known this IP block BS would happen i wouldnt have spent a damn penny on your CRAP.

So this is now crap because Ons On has a publishing agreement with someone else in Europe. But before is was fine, right? I'm keeping in mind that you're upset, that's why I'm not elaborating.

[Twenty-Nine_Rooks]

Hmm

Well, this is quite disturbing. First, I think that they should at least make clear which Countries will be effected immediately, which shall be effected in the future, and which shall not be effected at all.

I currently live in the states, but I divide my time between America and Ireland. Even then, I roam between the Kingdom and the Republic (North and South), and I'm wondering how exactly this will effect my play if I decide to return to Ireland.

Will this eventually effect all of the EU? And even then, what of countries that have either strenuous ties to the Union or are not full members yet? (Ireland itself has a large dissident movement, and countries such as Turkey are set to become full members, but are not yet.)

Of course, from Joker's statements, we can tell that this is a Contractual problem arising from the licenceing agreements made by the parties involved. I'm quite sure Outspark would love to either allow play or at least transfer accounts, but it seems their hands are tied by their contractual obligation to OnsOnSoft.

However, Outspark should make clear whether this agreement applies to all the EU, or just to specific countries within Europe.

Thank you

[CSR_Joker]

ppl should rly delete their accounts instead of giving that new company our money..they don't deserv it :mad:

From this statement, it does not seem you understand what's going on.

Your account on the Outspark service remains the way it is. The new company in Germany does NOT have any access to your account on the Outspark service.

[Angelxx]

This is bad marketing and poorly thought through. here is why and here is why the game will suffer from it

Many members in lots of guilds are European. Many of these players have been playing for a long time. I know a few LVL 60 - 79 characters who have invested a great amount of time in this game and in the relationships forged in the game.

By banning European IPs you are cutting off YOUR customers and a big chunk of the populations on your servers. This effect will be felt in lots of guilds and have a negative impact on players regardless of where they come from.

I fully understand opening the game up to other countries and for them to be able to acquire NEW PLAYERS or players who willingly want to go over. Not cutting off the people who you have used to develop the game through the BETA phaze to where it is now.

Any company interested in retaining customers making money and growing should realize that the key to retaining customers is through the IMPROVEMENT of service quality and not through dumping customers. In fact the number 1 rule in business is KEEP YOUR CUSTOMERS!!! the reason why is becouse customers will if treated badl;y look somewhere else.

Don't think the only players effected are those in Europe

I will loose guild members because of this. their presence in the game is a significant factor in the quality and service that is provided to me. If banning mass amount of players is something the people behind this game are comfortable with why would i choose to download one in the future knowing that the friendships and advancements i made through the game could be cut off so easily. What is to say in 3 months you don't separate canada from the game because some Canadian company wants to buy the rights.


My solution is easy. provide active members an update that allows them to play while any new European player must redirect to the company that now offers service there.

The chances of you doing this or having the foresight to create a contract with the fiesta developers and other fiesta distributers that would allow for this is very unlikely.

to be honest i was thinking of getting a dragon getting a little more spark cash and what not , but i dont think i will untill i can be sure that i will continue playing this game with the people i enjoy playing it with. if thoes people are removed then this game will have lost a signifcant amount of appeal.

Im not even going into how nice it is to be able to play this game with people in Argentina, Singapore, Mexico, England and South Africa and how one of the big pulls for a game like this is not just the fact you get a little cute character to run around with, but your able to meet people from all over the world.


THIS WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON ALL PLAYERS OF THE GAME people will quit the server populations will drop and the game will be empty in comparison to what it is now. like i said BAD marketing and will lead to BAD publicity for OUTSPARK through the disregard of the commitment they have to their customers.

i have more to say on this topic . other solutions and more reasons why this will not benefit outspark even if there is a short term monetary incentive.

Well thought out but you forgot one detail. Outspark didn't make the decision.

If you can think of how this would impact Outspark negatively, you should know that these are also the same reasons they do not wish for this to happen.

As I have mentioned before, a solution would be to not ban existing accounts (this was what happened in my other game) but they would require Gamigo's agreement for this. I am hoping that this option is currently being reviewed.

[CSR_Joker]

do u know what the biggest scam is?
they knew that EU players might get banned soon but they brought out those new asia crap and we bought it all
nice behaviour

Are you serious? What do you think we just stop our marketing events to everyone becuase of this situation that is not even ion our control? C'mon people, look at the big picture here <sigh>

[HassanChop]

Straight from the EU Fiesta (From a GM on their development team)

"Just keep in mind - that with "those areas" they mean all of Europenean Union incl Switzerland and Turkey.

To me the email is a little confusing - since they are only pointing out Germany, Spain and France.

I beg you not to start speculating - I passed the Email on to Alpha for an offical statement.

Until then please remain patient.

Thank you
Fleur"

-- Alpha is their head GM Developer if you may say. Even though this doesn't effect me in any way, this effects the outcome of many of the other players that have put their time and money into the US version of Fiesta and I feel that I owe it to them to try to keep them up to date on the issue so we don't have a mix up later. I would really suggest that anyone included in the European Union not don't take this the wrong way but spend anymore Sparkcash. That's in my opinion, I don't know the outcome and they aren't going to be reimbursing you for any sort of sparkcash for your IP being blocked due to this unnecessary measure that Gamigo took.

[-Leona-]

If they cared even a little bit about the community they would've not taken this decision, period.

IT was anounced the IP should've been already banned.

LET ME EXPLAIN YOU HOW THIS WORKS

Right now the leaders of Fiesta are very likely to give another week of letting European play ,Y? simple :), there's a Independence Day coming, of course there will be a sale, they gonna try to squeeze every single penny possible =D out of us lol, probably hoping people will not see this and keep spending on the game only to be baned 2 or 3 days later. If that wasn't so a NOTICE VIA ingame should be done every once in a while (and quite often since it affects so many people).

[heavensraven]

Hmm, seems like everyone is voicing their opinion on this matter so I guess i shall say a few words as well.

As some has said before me, Its not Outsparks fault that they are IP banning everyone from the Euro countries, all these come from the Original Company, which is OnsOnSoft, so the reason I dont understand is why are the majority of the people posting in this thread are saying stuff like "Thanks a lot Outspark for screwing us", "Thanks for wasting our money". I've been reading this thread, and most of the stuff i see are like that, True money has been wasted possibly, but why blame Outspark? Blame OnsOnSoft for comming up with this ridcuilous idea in the first place. Lots of people are saying that a lot of people are quiting and that the population is gonna drop or what not. Before when people were posting "Quiting threads", i recall people saying that even if people quit, there will always be more new people comming in return, which is true. Outspark might have lost some money along the road, but in the end it will sooner or later get the same population back (possibly more) and people will resume buying Sparkcash. Maybe not now, or anytime soon, but sooner or later it will be the same again. Funny how before when one person would critize Outspark before, people would come and counter-argue immediatly, but when something like this happens to people; people come and attack Outspark en mass. :(

[WarpstonePsycho]

i should also add it means a lot of people will try to "hack" in to the game using IP masks or the such thus providing people with the desire to violate the TOS this in term will provide more work for outspark developers in finding the means to find holes and patches that find or circumvent such attempts.


In direct responce to "Are you serious? What do you think we just stop our marketing events to everyone becuase of this situation that is not even ion our control? C'mon people, look at the big picture here"

no he doesn't fail to see the big picture apparently Outspark did, in not properly informing people in advance of the situation. sure keep marketing initiatives going but BE HONEST. a company/ business/ website that is not honest and does not provide quality service is at faut not the customers who are angry about their looming situation.

Outspark may be at the mercy of On ones publishing and licencing. But as a major client and partner with a longer history and active contract Outspark must have seen this comming and understood its negotiating room.

[Angelxx]

LOL so all those money, time and effort was in vain, Outspark simply just gives European a kick lol, not surprised.

If they cared even a little bit about the community they would've not taken this decision, period.

Apparently you missed the most important detail. The decision was NOT made by Outspark. I don't think I can put it any clearer than that.

In direct responce to "Are you serious? What do you think we just stop our marketing events to everyone becuase of this situation that is not even ion our control? C'mon people, look at the big picture here"

no he doesn't fail to see the big picture apparently Outspark did, in not properly informing people in advance of the situation. sure keep marketing initiatives going but BE HONEST. a company/ business/ website that is not honest and does not provide quality service is at faut not the customers who are angry about their looming situation.

So Outspark should stop all marketing events for ALL their players because EU players might be banned? o.O So all the other countries should be put aside for EU players? Interesting concept.

[Jen1073]

Seems like Outspark is playing a victim here. Oh sorry you gave us your money, but there is nothing we can do..we feel sad. To repeat what warpstone said, im VERY sure that Outspark saw this coming, and did nothing to inform its clients. Im sure as a large company they could have negotiated something that would provide its CURRENT European clients a way to continuing playing and using those items they have paid for.


I admire people for coming to Outspark's defense but I dont particularlly feel sorry for them, and i am rethinking any future purchases i may make because it seems they won't announce any disruption in service until the last minute.

[-Leona-]

Apparently you missed the most important detail. The decision was NOT made by Outspark. I don't think I can put it any clearer than that.



So Outspark should stop all marketing events for ALL their players because EU players might be banned? o.O So all the other countries should be put aside for EU players? Interesting concept.

U know what get lost.......... and stop kissing up to them, is not about dropping all events but make a notice as often as possible so people dont end up spending money just to be banned 2 days after. It might not be outspark yet it is someone in the high ranks of fiesta, that's all that matter and i dont' care further details, they are playing victim here and if they really wanted to avoid this they would've avoided it.

Im' sick of your kissing up to anything that comes up WAKE UP.

[heavensraven]

U know what get lost.......... and keep kissing up to them, is not about dropping all events but make a notice as often as possible so people dont end up spending money just to be banned 2 days ago. It might not be outspark yet it is someone in the high ranks of fiesta, that's all that matter and i dont' care further details, they are playing victim here and if they really wanted to avoid this they would've avoided it.

Im' sick of your kissing up to anything that comes up WAKE UP.

LOLs i gotta say i agree with you Leona 100% on that, sorry Angelxx :D

[WarpstonePsycho]

No Outspark should have announced this when they first understood it might happen. And should provide all information to their customers that they can. such as exactly what this means and what their solutions are .

marketing efforts should never stop and infact Outspark doesn't seem to do an awful lot of "marketing" spark items should continue to churn out. but not being honest and open about a situation is bad business. and a marketing failure.

there is still a lot of missing information and the standing announcement fails to explain the issue in full to people not their options or what Outspark is doing as a result.
there is speculation and people getting upset. Ignorance is not bliss and leaving your customers in the dark about what options there options are but providing a forum for discussion is essentially providing the stepping stones for aggravated upset and confusion.

[blanketpenetrate]

Excuse my dumbness, but has this ban actually been put into affect yet?

[CSR_Joker]

OK, I finally caught up to the last page (15 pages between leaving work and getting home, wow).

So I am not here to make excuses or come up with a BS answer. It is what it is and we have to figure out how everyone copes with it.

Should we have done a better job at announcing this new? Yes. Why we did not do it? heck most of us did not know until Friday and when I say us, that's CSRs and GMs.

Why we did not say anything on Friday? This kind of announcement requires and official statement. I posted it today, 15 seconds after I finally got it. Still I'm sure this is not acceptable for many of you... you feel cheated and I don't blame you. I take a lesson from this situation to pass it on to the powers that be and hope they address this issue in future announcements.

Those who are trying to defend or comment on the Outspark criticism, please don't engage in any flames, we are in this together (all of you users from around the world) and need to support each other. I know you all have many friends and would at least want to keep that relationship going. It's not like we're pushing users away, we just have no choice in the matter.

[Gravvi]

I think that they should just stop new people from those regions from registering instead of IP banning. T_T i am so sad

[JerichoCrost]

/facepalm

Have fun over there guys.

[Jen1073]

No one is blaming you Joker....you pretty much got fed to the lions. I think most of us understand you are not to blame.
My frustration is that it seems to me there must be a way that outspark can leverage their way around this. It seems very unlikely that they dont carry any weight that they could use to keep their current european customers connected.

[bigham1991]

Woah i dont wanna thnk wat is soon to come for all ppl in Europe>.< ...u making My Vers hun sad :(.btw these are all lies! ._.

[luckywalker07]

So Outspark should stop all marketing events for ALL their players because EU players might be banned? o.O So all the other countries should be put aside for EU players? Interesting concept.

Before you jump to a conclusion please take a second and actually read what he said (yes Warp is a Guy).

[yatyu1992]

omg blocking ppl from europe = ...less lag hehehehehe

[iceman86321]

all i want right now is to no when this is going to happen i am player from england so a date would be a lot of help

[bigham1991]

wow thats mean but true O.o

[yatyu1992]

wow thats mean but true O.o
lol but the bad thing is...i dont get any money from overnight shop no more TT^TT, that's all i actually care about i think...

[Fight_Knight]

why not just make the current europeans sign a waiver for whatever the hell theyre trying to avoid so they can keep playing, and block any new IP's from coming in then... or at least set a cut off date for a month or 2 back, so anyone before then can stay (ie the people who paid outspark salaries), and send the lower players over. i know thats also a lame way, but somewhere you have to draw boundaries...

[mista_totti]

once again
outspark shows how bad their

costumer service is

[Aoishe]

all we can do is join forces in some way ..if u are in these countries. an r able to log in on game. what they don't know won't hurt them .. again outsparks is still a business. there has always got to be ways around our friends leaving us.. i am not goi ng to sit here an not try an fight for my friends an i will not sit here an say quote" i will miss them" because i wanna fight for them to be here. outsparks is tryin there best. i think about not really postin as much in this topic was right of them, we don't need to freak anyone out. also if u are not in these countries they have listed.. maybe it will take like a year for them to even get the money for this game. * i know i get "u are dream in la la land" but there is always a solution for a problem*. maybe we can out rank this is Cash or something...lol ...<---ya i so need to waste money more. but for friends i will do it.. in a heartbeat

[kalone]

once again
outspark shows how bad their

costumer service is

It's a dog eat dog business, Outspark can't do anything. It's outta their hands now.

[dragonslayer26]

is "maylasia" considered Europe?

[the_nutter]

Well being from the uk i am awaiting a date for when we are going to be blocked, most of my friends are from the us:(

I have dedicated 7 months to this game, made amazing friends, and spent an obscene amount of money in there, and for what:confused:

The eu one has an advanced server available for a character copy transfer, so that our original characters still remain on the us one, but we could also play them on the eu one.

Basically if u develop your character in the eu, ur lvl of char will remain the unchanged from when left in the us, and vice versa.

Obviously this does not change the situation with having to be torn from your guilds and friends.

But if offers some comfort that our hard worked on and well paid for characters will still live, and we have not wasted our times.

The question i want answering from Outspark, is Gamigo are trying to get access to our copies of characters for when they say open beta will end, which they hope to be in 2-3 months.
When will our character copies be transfered to the eu server?

I think it disgusting that they could not block new registrations and leave us quite happily where we are, Outspark, Onsonsoft, and Gamigo have been discussing this matter for quite a while now, and had ample opportunity to make announcements on this matter, but for whatever reason chose not to.

Now if we could have clarification on our characters and a date to which we need to say good bye to our friends and gain details of how to contact them, that would be great.

After all if i came to log in and find i could not, without any prior notice the wheel will come off:mad:

[WarpstonePsycho]

Public relations is a massive part of the functioning of a business. The Higher powers should have told you what to say and to be complete. In fact i think everyone at outspark should sit down at a meeting and come up with proper ways of dealing with information. If most of you only found out friday that means you have had 3 days to come up with solutions and more compete information.

DAMAGE CONTROL!!! the company you work for has some serious damage control and should seriously think about how to deal with damage control so situations as drastic as this dont blow up in yer face . as this one has.

Great timing as this happens to be when you update and lots of people are on the forums and you have yet to give anyone any comfort. If i where the powers that be i wouldn't be sleeping tonight i would be fixing this.

Joker. i have to say . and no offence to you. but the name joker doesn't instill much sincerity. reading the joke is on you when im trying to look at you for answers and you know . authority. just does not work. as mentioned you got fed to the wolves. i dont blame you. I think this should have been handeled much better

[yatyu1992]

omg, one of my friend is from europe, and she's so hot!!! omg im gonna miss her...

[soojin]

i don't know many europeans in-game, but the few that i do know and was able to get close to will be missed very much~ x nexon had a similar issue with the blocking of european IPs, but the deal was made to block new incoming registrations and allowing current players to play global. i was hoping the same deal would be made here, but apparently that is not so. it's sad to lose friends, always sad to say goodbye.

i don't think outspark is playing victim, but is just saying things how they are. i do think earlier notice or mention of any discussions relating to ip ban should've been announced, just so people have fair warning in advance. because it is unfair for people from europe who have been supportive since the beginning to be banned.

but GMs and other staff that are active on the site probably have very little say in the decisions made by the higher power outspark staff. X: they can only do as they're told, and tell you the information that they're given to forward to us. so no use taking your anger out on Joker, who is just a messenger.

[Aoishe]

well.. in a lot of ways.. this hurts outsparks business very badly look at there Build 2 forums from the average.. how much will be lost. how much europeans have spent in this game. this is is still a game, think monopoly. in the long run if they could get that contract back.. more money will be made.

[yatyu1992]

i don't know many europeans in-game, but the few that i do know and was able to get close to will be missed very much~ x nexon had a similar issue with the blocking of european IPs, but the deal was made to block new incoming registrations and allowing current players to play global. i was hoping the same deal would be made here, but apparently that is not so. it's sad to lose friends, always sad to say goodbye.

i don't think outspark is playing victim, but is just saying things how they are. i do think earlier notice or mention of any discussions relating to ip ban should've been announced, just so people have fair warning in advance. but GMs and other staff that are active on the site probably have very little say in the decisions made by the higher power outspark staff. X: they can do as they're told, and tell you the information that they're given to forward to us. so no use taking your anger out on Joker, who is just a messenger.

yea, joker did nothing wrong...blame it all on soojin :D

[chuui]

Hm this act is distgusting. it dissapoints me very much that outspark would do this >_> :mad:

[soojin]

yea, joker did nothing wrong...blame it all on soojin :D

Off-topic: yatty, i hate you. :[[[[

On-topic: joker's just doing his job .

[Raesho]

i heard ASIA ip also cannot play at outspark..is that true?
btw im from Malaysia..malaysia IP blocked also?

[Canboy]

Sooo what countries will be able to play this version?

[yatyu1992]

Off-topic: yatty, i hate you. :[[[[

On-topic: joker's just doing his job .

or you can blame it on me...

what did joker do wrong anyway? saying this stuff? ok hold on

idk when, but y'all europian are gonna get block from fiesta....now yell at me!!! leave poor joker alone :D

[Aoishe]

well if this new gammmin company. don't make money from this game. bwahahaha.. the is not over.. maybe soojin is right.. is there some way we can only black in comming new europeans. cause the friends we have... work'd hard for this . an many has spent thousands of dollars in outsparks..( will not say any more) but players will quit tho. an go to a game that where we all can be together again. even friends will quit just cause.. there can be more done about this. or....?

[sinbad1001]

ewe??????????

[luckywalker07]

All I have to say is the Outspark (all you people that are sticking up for them are quite frankly pushovers)

You are about to lose far more players than you gain. Eventually your business will be creeled from this act.

You claim to have no control but in the end you are the only ones to be held responsible.

[yatyu1992]

well if this new gammmin company. don't make money from this game. bwahahaha.. the is not over.. maybe soojin is right.. is there some way we can only black in comming new europeans. cause the friends we have... work'd hard for this . an many has spent thousands of dollars in outsparks..( will not say any more) but players will quit tho. an go to a game that where we all can be together again. even friends will quit just cause.. there can be more done about this. or....?
and i am gonna enjoy my lag free fiesta :D most of my friends are from america anyway...but i'll still miss most of the europian friends :D

[acer.]

I think that all of Europe will be blocked when Gamigo release there English version of the game.

[KawaiiTsuki]

Cmon you guys at Outspark know better. Get into our shoes and see past the greed and money. Our dearest comrades reside in the location of this ban and without them Fiesta will slowly crumble. Friends will be thrown into an almost completely different world without even taking their characters and belongings. Some couples won't even be together in-game to have a taste of the new wedding service! It's ludicrous!

Really if you care about us so much, spoiling us with all these items and updates and whatnot you'd get a clue at how big a' impact this makes. Just stop being so selfish you hear?

[Aoishe]

joker did nothing wrong..but i will voice about this. joker did wat he was supposed to do. an kinda is bad cause. ppl will bash joker.. they kinda did make him there DO BOY!! which says a lot about the company not joker. because joker felt it was right to bring it out. but he couldn't before cause he gotta work too just like us all. we don't feed his family or support his children.

[CSR_Joker]

Joker's removing his signature, although it was set a while before this topic, it does not help the topic at hand. I'm sorry if it offended you WarpstonePsycho.

Thanks for the feedback.

[heavensraven]

All I have to say is the Outspark (all you people that are sticking up for them are quite frankly pushovers)

You are about to lose far more players than you gain. Eventually your business will be creeled from this act.

You claim to have no control but in the end you are the only ones to be held responsible.

Actually, statistically they will lose players for the TIME BEING, but given enough time the regular population of Fiesta will grow back to normal. New people come into Fiesta everyday if you did not realize that. There business will problbey be slowed down these couple of weeks or months maybe.. but like again it will grow back to normal given time. They claimed to have no control over this becuase the truth is they didnt, as you can see what Joker himself said, how should they be held responsible, when they arent even the top boss in this?? COME ON Walker get with the program here.

[mista_totti]

haha
being bla2 we cant do anything about this bla2

doesnt mean u(outspark) has no responsibility
upon this matters

[heavensraven]

Only thing you can blame Outspark for is not releaseing the info of the EU Servers or what not the correct and approiapite way :(

[yatyu1992]

Cmon you guys at Outspark know better. Get into our shoes and see past the greed and money. Our dearest comrades reside in the location of this ban and without them Fiesta will slowly crumble. Friends will be thrown into an almost completely different world without even taking their characters and belongings. Some couples won't even be together in-game to have a taste of the new wedding service! It's ludicrous!

Really if you care about us so much, spoiling us with all these items and updates and whatnot you'd get a clue at how big a' impact this makes. Just stop being so selfish you hear?

im not gonna quit fiesta...but im not a cs user soooooooo i dont think i can help much...verbal support, yes...but money? no thx :PP still love the game tho, soooo better hope some rich ppl in us is obsess with this game....oo i know, outspark, try to get bill gate to play this game, that can solve the problem. but my main point is...im not a cs user, so ima play till they crumble, like the person i quoted predicts

[hazeal]

All of the different games I have played tend to have 3 distinct areas (client servers); European, North/South America, and Pacific Rim (Malaysia, Korea, Japan, Australia, Sri Lanka, etc.....). Most times the only areas to have IP bans is European and North/South America and I suspect that is because the games tend to originate in the Pacific Rim Areas so why block those IP addresses especially if the game developers check out the games to see how they are doing. When a game is lucky enough to be proprietary to a *single* company to distribute then there tends not to be IP blocking since the company makes money with either client. However when a game becomes *VERY* popular like fiesta has sometimes two companies end up with the rights for the different clients/countries/servers and then fighting over players and other resources happen which hurts *EVERYONE* involved including the players. Blocking IPs are the developers solution for the situation not Outsparks nor Gamecos (or however it is spelled), its harsh and hurts us all in many ways (loss of time, friends, revenue- for players and outspark in general, and wounded trust).

Believe it or not the workers at outspark are going to be losing friends as well when the european players are blocked. The Outspark staff has been wonderful about *actually* interacting with players and not just treating us as if we do not matter. If/when Britain goes we will lose some of our most vocal/entertaining players (like Saturne) and one of the first (if not first) community leader Centrix.

Outspark is doing their best including sacrificing data space to keep accounts that may not be touched again *ever* intact just in case those players can come back. Most companies would never even consider that option they would just delete the account after 3 to 6 months as a waste of space no matter if the person bought cash shop. Outspark is talking about keeping *ALL* of the accounts, even of those ppl who never bought cash shop. They are also making sure that friends do not have to be lost, yes you may not be able to play fiesta together anymore but you will be able to play the other games that outspark has.

It would be nice to see some constructive ideas offered like:

Maybe outspark will consider returning sparkcash spent on fiesta items so that it can be spent in the other games so that there isnt a loss there?

Maybe exp increase items/ drop items for the high lvl players that have to switch games that are based on the lvl of the fiesta characters so a capped player will get more than a lvl 10 but *both* still receive some reimbursement for the time spent?

[Canboy]

Hmm I heard a rumor that only USA Canada and Mexico willl bea able to play this version. Is this true?

[yatyu1992]

btw guys, stop posting such a long reply at a time...it makes me DONT wanna read it...

[daydreamer22]

I dont think so

[GanonX]

hmm okey so noones to blame here were all just victims of an unfortunate sequence of events, how "cute" and childish, i feel really sorry for everyone, and yes you should have forseen something like this before promoting items, mmorpgs are huge amount of money so im pretty sure they didnt handled the rights just from one day to another as if it was a candystore, why would you offer a product if you will block the use of this product later on. But then again outpsark is not to blame..yea right im sure they are as shocked as us to acknowledge the HUGE amount of players they will lose...actitudes like this are disgusting. Im not even from EU but most of my friends are, anyways i got much more than i hoped to get from this game. Good bye for good and good luck to everyone ;) (even you outspark)


G4ce

[yatyu1992]

I dont think so

this is good amount
hmm okey so noones to blame here were all just victims of an unfortunate sequence of events, how "cute" and childish, i feel really sorry for everyone, and yes you should have forseen something like this before promoting items, mmorpgs are huge amount of money so im pretty sure they didnt handled the rights just from one day to another as if it was a candystore, why would you offer a product if you will block the use of this product later on. But then again outpsark is not to blame..yea right im sure they are as shocked as us to acknowledge the HUGE amount of players they will lose...actitudes like this are disgusting. Im not even from EU but most of my friends are, anyways i got much more than i hoped to get from this game. Good bye for good and good luck to everyone ;) (even you outspark)


G4ce

waaay too long

[chuui]

All I have to say is the Outspark (all you people that are sticking up for them are quite frankly pushovers)

You are about to lose far more players than you gain. Eventually your business will be creeled from this act.

You claim to have no control but in the end you are the only ones to be held responsible.

Damn straight. :mad:

[XXSRTXX]

Hopefully this will cut down on the MASSIVE LAG!

Wuts the big deal expand your mind start a diffrent class on a game in your country. Shouldnt be too difficult right? friends u can talk to on MSN so they arent gone forever.

[Jannis]

i've read the whole thgread now, and i'm Really dissapointed, but..

i shuold still ask.. how about norway? it's on teh europeian side/area, but not really a part of europe? maybe i'll still be able to play on us versjon without using proxy?

[luckywalker07]

Actually, statistically they will lose players for the TIME BEING, but given enough time the regular population of Fiesta will grow back to normal. New people come into Fiesta everyday if you did not realize that. There business will problbey be slowed down these couple of weeks or months maybe.. but like again it will grow back to normal given time. They claimed to have no control over this becuase the truth is they didnt, as you can see what Joker himself said, how should they be held responsible, when they arent even the top boss in this?? COME ON Walker get with the program here.

it's interesting that you have some profound knowledge over the inner-workings of Outspark, however you don't. And Fyi, if fiesta doesn't compete on a market that include a global scale they have made a terrible business venture. In simplistic terms, the game won't grow and the lost of people will cause market and economic changes in game that will make other people leave to other games (Rohan and DOMO for example). Generally Outspark will have to most likely drop fiesta anyway, and I'm sure when that happens they'll have event items just before.

[jenny_uk]

hmm okey so noones to blame here were all just victims of an unfortunate sequence of events, how "cute" and childish, i feel really sorry for everyone, and yes you should have forseen something like this before promoting items, mmorpgs are huge amount of money so im pretty sure they didnt handled the rights just from one day to another as if it was a candystore, why would you offer a product if you will block the use of this product later on. But then again outpsark is not to blame..yea right im sure they are as shocked as us to acknowledge the HUGE amount of players they will lose...actitudes like this are disgusting. Im not even from EU but most of my friends are, anyways i got much more than i hoped to get from this game. Good bye for good and good luck to everyone (even you outspark)


G4ce

1) <3 you
2) i'll miss seeing you around in game baby.. i'll keep on playing till i get blocked.. though one of my reasons for playing has JUST left.. now i stay for my guild and friends..

[yatyu1992]

ok seriously, even if y'all keep complaining, it's not gonna change anything...why complain? enjoy the last few days on fiesta with friends and then get their email and im or myspace or phone number and just contact them there...the blocking thing isn't gonna change...

[mista_totti]

if u really don wanna read

why even bother entering here?

0_0

[7th.HeVeN]

hmm hi guys im 8thHeVeN im a capped mage who has spoent 2000 dollars on SC - can u seriously turn round to me and just ban my IP?

Thats Discusting.

[yarm483]

OMG im sorry for them... is Australia and Indonesia gonna be block too? I would love a complete list of the countries that wil be blocked pls...!

[yatyu1992]

if u really don wanna read

why even bother entering here?

0_0

i wanna read...but they post really really really long replies...which is kinda annoying

[XXSRTXX]

hmm hi guys im 8thHeVeN im a capped mage who has spoent 2000 dollars on SC - can u seriously turn round to me and just ban my IP?

Thats Discusting.

WHHOoooaaahhhh 2k on Fiesta

No comment.

[DarkZombie]

.................................................. ...........

[chuui]

hmm hi guys im 8thHeVeN im a capped mage who has spoent 2000 dollars on SC - can u seriously turn round to me and just ban my IP?

Thats Discusting.

yeah it is distgusting >_> really dissapointing =/
and yeah sure we have msn and stuff but it wont be the same.

[yatyu1992]

WHHOoooaaahhhh 2k on Fiesta

No comment.

lol i know right...

[XXSRTXX]

i wanna read...but they post really really really long replies...which is kinda annoying

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Erbian]

o.O now im wondering damn lots of money wasted i there arent transfers
lot of time....
O.o <--selfish though
wait what about Kaiza!?! and Sat o.O and tons of players that are friends to us!?!

[GanonX]

yes sorry yatyu1992 im going to stick to short replys so ur brain can understand :) and no how about doing somethig else than wasting the time here :D

[daydreamer22]

well what yatyuu said is true he just said it in a mean way lol

[yatyu1992]

well what yatyuu said is true he just said it in a mean way lol

what i say?

[yatyu1992]

yes sorry yatyu1992 im going to stick to short replys so ur brain can understand :) and no how about doing somethig else than wasting the time here :D

and tyvm :P

[daydreamer22]

except the replies i think u should make them whatever size u feel like

[daydreamer22]

the europeans getting their ip's banned equals less lag ><

[yatyu1992]

except the replies i think u should make them whatever size u feel like

lol i wanna read them...but if too long my brain can't take it!!!

[GanonX]

lol and ou think 2k is much?

1)im sure there are ppl who spent over 5k
2)and o wait ur time is worth something?lol ill leave that to you

[Canboy]

OMG im sorry for them... is Australia and Indonesia gonna be block too? I would love a complete list of the countries that wil be blocked pls...!

If that happens. I can;t play ANY Fiesta versions D=. Coz Aus doesn't=Euro OR Japan or Korea lol.

[yatyu1992]

the europeans getting their ip's banned equals less lag ><

amen to that

[yatyu1992]

lol and ou think 2k is much?

1)im sure there are ppl who spent over 5k
2)and o wait ur time is worth something?lol ill leave that to you

lol, i can get a ps3 and buy so many games with 2k....

[soojin]

hmm hi guys im 8thHeVeN im a capped mage who has spoent 2000 dollars on SC - can u seriously turn round to me and just ban my IP?

Thats Discusting.


nobody has a right to judge, but to spend money on a game is really at your own risk. :/ i think it's unfair that you spent so much and are gonna lose what you " invested " due to the IP ban, @_@ but i guess umm ... maybe they'll somehow make it up to you. S:

it seems a lot of people are speaking out of anger and hurt, and that's understandable.

yes, fiesta will be affected by the loss of european players.
but i don't think outspark, as a business, is going to cave entirely. i wonder what the percentage of players from europe is. i doubt it is large enough to shake the business as a whole, not devestatingly as some seem to think or hope for.

europeans aren't the only ones affected, as some people have stated. friendships and relationships have been made on the game. i feel sorry for people who have lost these bonds due to the IP ban.

and to yatty: msn and myspace isn't gonna make up for it X:

[GanonX]

okey i just might come back again in game to pvp yatyu1992 rofl...as if XD love you yatyu1992 hahaha